|
|
Post by Cindy on Jan 24, 2019 9:50:00 GMT -5
You will not believe the problems I been having trying to post! 3 plus hours gone and 2 posts.
I am done! Today I mean.
I am bummed and so tired.
I wrote a lot on young woman needing to be taught how to love their children.
I do not get timed out ( in fact, I have gone 30 plus hours with a window up in reply and posted, no problem.
Its when I have 2 FH windows open...
if I forget to close one before I post...
it is then,
that it is lost ( apparently, the post can't go to one FH window and not the other.)
I also explained why I have 2 FH windows up ( because in REPLY ( I cannot scroll up to see a reply from you, or a verse, etc.) quick reply of course I can scroll up, but I can't do different colors, underline etc. soooo I am in reply
therefore, if I need to check more than one thing at different times while writing, I leave the 2 window up.
I do not 'copy' what I am working on, because I often copy scriptures from biblegateway,or commentaries etc.
You will just have to take my word, I did write what I thought was pretty good
Oh and the other weird thing
When I open 2 FH windows they are always in this new board......
but when I forget, and post, without closing one of the 2 open FH windows....
one of the windows
reverts back to the OLD board.....
tho both
WERE... just a second ago, in the new board
Weird???? |
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399 
|
Post by fearnot on Jan 24, 2019 12:39:25 GMT -5
Where is the quote button? How funny....there it is....right next to the edit! I never paid any attention to it at all!!!! Not even when you quote my posts....I mean I 'saw' them, but never figured out how you did it....bizarre. Ok thanks I will try that!!!
I will just try to remember some of what I wrote yesterday.
Young woman need to be taught that the first priority in raising children is to bring them up in the fear and nurture of the Lord and this is the greatest way to love them.
Many young mothers today ( and many Christian mothers, try to provide many outward things for their children, like all types of sports ( basketball, baseball, soccer, football, swimming, gymnastics, etc. along with ballet, music lessons, singing lessons, scouts, and so on.
It's not that these are bad, but the mothers need to know these are not priority to a godly character and love for Jesus, and their salvation.
And she needs to know her goal is not to be her children's friend, but to be their mom ( an authority, teacher and disciplinarian), which means she will have to correct and punish and most likely endure their anger and hateful words from time to time, as the Lord does and did, with His children, us adult believers).
The young mothers needs to teach her children the way they should go, ( and how to avoid worldly evils). How to avoid all manner of temptations.
She needs to know that it is God's word and prayer that should be her guide, and thus he children's because its the only true way to find joy now and forever. ( not the world's standards).
she needs to know how to encourage and not belittle and discourage them, as God does with us, in His Word and Holy Spirit.....which is loving.
and show lots of love in hugs, touches, and kisses also.
To ask them to do things they they can actually do and accomplish, to encourage but not overly praise for what is normal....god never gives us anything that is beyond our ability to handle.....with His help.
To set limits and consequences so they know the boundaries.....God gives us boundaries as to what i sin
She needs to give them her time and not just set them in front of a TV or computer all day....Father is available to us anytime, day or night.
They also need to know their children watch their mom's behavior as well as her words....we have Jesus as our example.
They need to know its never to young to start teaching children chores. Some young mom's think, well when they are little they need to just be kids and play...unfortunately, they will find it so much harder to then begin to implement chores, godly character, etc.....plus they themselves may never find the right time to allow them to 'grow' ( maybe thinking one more year of 'fun' and being a kid, and then one more year and on it goes).
This kind of goes along with the false belief I had....which was, I just let the kids decide about God themselves when they get old enough.....well that totally does not work, because, satan has no such qualms about 'choice'....he will start indoctrinating them right away!!! She is in a war for their souls.
The young mom can start bible studies right away ( and tho dad ought to be the spiritual head), she can be teaching during the day( even from getting up to going to sleep), when dad is at work....God lets us study His word right from the beginning, not when we attain some higher level of spiritual maturity.
She needs to be an authority figure and at the same time, teach ( and be submissive to her authorities).
I think I told you we went to PET ( parent Effectiveness Training)...what a sad joke....the exact wrong thing
Parent Effectiveness Training, advocates that parents give up all use of authority and child and parent work together for any issue that comes up....not a good or godly idea...and the children become the boss!
well, there was more I wrote in the lost post.....
but even yesterday, it made me feel so badly because, I did basically none of these things ( and lots more I did all wrong) and I feel like, I have reaped sadness ...and I am not encouraged about my family's salvation.
I know part of this 'feeling' of sadness is from satan, but it is also true. I can only ask the Lord's forgiveness, and pray He may yet save them, and prompt me, if He wants me to say or do anything with any of them.
I am worried about Hossanah lately, and Vanessa ( since her Christian boyfriend broke up with her ...she has stopped going to church etc.
in fact, I wonder if she was mainly going to church with him, because of her boyfriend...to be with the boyfriend, and very little.... to worship the Lord).
And of course, my son has never shown even a drop of interest in God.
Devon struggles, but I was a little encourage yesterday when he proposed a 'challenge' to Brian's 2 children ( that live with them) to see who could last the longest without an electronics.....
he did ask Hossanah to buy a bag of candy for the winner tho.
We are on book 25 of the Kids Left Behind ( 40 in the series) and he is always joy filled when someone is saved in the books.
And he asked last sunday to talk with the pastor to ask him to pray for his dad ( a very sad story there.....his dad says: drugs make him feel 'free' and so....he is back on the streets).
Still, there are many issues....none very bright or happy or godly right now.
I am into the feeling somewhat depressed because of being a bad mom. I think if I had done even 1/4 of any of these things, my kids would not be drinking, or chosen unsaved 'mates', would be saved etc.
I do know, even if I had been the most godliest mom and did everything right ( which is never the case....no one is perfect) but even then, kids could still reject the Lord.....
but I do think they would have had a greater chance.
Sorry, I have not been in such a bummed out mood for awhile, and I have been working on taking my thoughts captive.....its just that some more stuff came up this morning.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Jan 25, 2019 11:34:12 GMT -5
Where is the quote button? How funny....there it is....right next to the edit! I never paid any attention to it at all!!!! Not even when you quote my posts....I mean I 'saw' them, but never figured out how you did it....bizarre. Ok thanks I will try that!!!
I will just try to remember some of what I wrote yesterday.
Young woman need to be taught that the first priority in raising children is to bring them up in the fear and nurture of the Lord and this is the greatest way to love them.
Many young mothers today ( and many Christian mothers, try to provide many outward things for their children, like all types of sports ( basketball, baseball, soccer, football, swimming, gymnastics, etc. along with ballet, music lessons, singing lessons, scouts, and so on.
It's not that these are bad, but the mothers need to know these are not priority to a godly character and love for Jesus, and their salvation.
And she needs to know her goal is not to be her children's friend, but to be their mom ( an authority, teacher and disciplinarian), which means she will have to correct and punish and most likely endure their anger and hateful words from time to time, as the Lord does and did, with His children, us adult believers).
The young mothers needs to teach her children the way they should go, ( and how to avoid worldly evils). How to avoid all manner of temptations.
She needs to know that it is God's word and prayer that should be her guide, and thus he children's because its the only true way to find joy now and forever. ( not the world's standards).
she needs to know how to encourage and not belittle and discourage them, as God does with us, in His Word and Holy Spirit.....which is loving.
and show lots of love in hugs, touches, and kisses also.
To ask them to do things they they can actually do and accomplish, to encourage but not overly praise for what is normal....god never gives us anything that is beyond our ability to handle.....with His help.
To set limits and consequences so they know the boundaries.....God gives us boundaries as to what i sin
She needs to give them her time and not just set them in front of a TV or computer all day....Father is available to us anytime, day or night.
They also need to know their children watch their mom's behavior as well as her words....we have Jesus as our example.
They need to know its never to young to start teaching children chores. Some young mom's think, well when they are little they need to just be kids and play...unfortunately, they will find it so much harder to then begin to implement chores, godly character, etc.....plus they themselves may never find the right time to allow them to 'grow' ( maybe thinking one more year of 'fun' and being a kid, and then one more year and on it goes).
This kind of goes along with the false belief I had....which was, I just let the kids decide about God themselves when they get old enough.....well that totally does not work, because, satan has no such qualms about 'choice'....he will start indoctrinating them right away!!! She is in a war for their souls.
The young mom can start bible studies right away ( and tho dad ought to be the spiritual head), she can be teaching during the day( even from getting up to going to sleep), when dad is at work....God lets us study His word right from the beginning, not when we attain some higher level of spiritual maturity.
She needs to be an authority figure and at the same time, teach ( and be submissive to her authorities).
I think I told you we went to PET ( parent Effectiveness Training)...what a sad joke....the exact wrong thing
Parent Effectiveness Training, advocates that parents give up all use of authority and child and parent work together for any issue that comes up....not a good or godly idea...and the children become the boss!
well, there was more I wrote in the lost post.....
but even yesterday, it made me feel so badly because, I did basically none of these things ( and lots more I did all wrong) and I feel like, I have reaped sadness ...and I am not encouraged about my family's salvation.
I know part of this 'feeling' of sadness is from satan, but it is also true. I can only ask the Lord's forgiveness, and pray He may yet save them, and prompt me, if He wants me to say or do anything with any of them.
I am worried about Hossanah lately, and Vanessa ( since her Christian boyfriend broke up with her ...she has stopped going to church etc.
in fact, I wonder if she was mainly going to church with him, because of her boyfriend...to be with the boyfriend, and very little.... to worship the Lord).
And of course, my son has never shown even a drop of interest in God.
Devon struggles, but I was a little encourage yesterday when he proposed a 'challenge' to Brian's 2 children ( that live with them) to see who could last the longest without an electronics.....
he did ask Hossanah to buy a bag of candy for the winner tho.
We are on book 25 of the Kids Left Behind ( 40 in the series) and he is always joy filled when someone is saved in the books.
And he asked last sunday to talk with the pastor to ask him to pray for his dad ( a very sad story there.....his dad says: drugs make him feel 'free' and so....he is back on the streets).
Still, there are many issues....none very bright or happy or godly right now.
I am into the feeling somewhat depressed because of being a bad mom. I think if I had done even 1/4 of any of these things, my kids would not be drinking, or chosen unsaved 'mates', would be saved etc.
I do know, even if I had been the most godliest mom and did everything right ( which is never the case....no one is perfect) but even then, kids could still reject the Lord.....
but I do think they would have had a greater chance.
Sorry, I have not been in such a bummed out mood for awhile, and I have been working on taking my thoughts captive.....its just that some more stuff came up this morning.
But you know what? God knew all that was going to happen. He was in control the entire time and used it all for His glory. (Just as He always does.) If I sit here and get depressed about it all, and wallow in it, then I'm saying that He doesn't know what He's doing, and that He's not a very good or loving God at all! Because of all that I did before I turned to Him again, I know that what Jesus said is very true: that those who have been forgiven much, love Him more; and I now love Him more then I could ever have before because of all that He's forgiven me for! I can also more easily forgive others because of all He's forgiven me of. While you and I may be able to look at our children and grandchildren and see their sins, they don't really understand sin yet - just as we didn't at one time. (and we're even still learning!) One day, they too will understand, and then they too will be able to love the Lord more because they've been forgiven more.
Yes, it's hard to know they aren't saved yet, but that gives us a chance to obey the Lord and live by faith and not by sight. We have to do what He commands and that's to trust Him and know that He knows and loves our children and grandchildren more then we ever could, and that He will save them (because of our earnest prayers) when the time is exactly right for each of them. “Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! (Mt 7:9–11).
So until that day comes, we don't allow Satan to undermine our faith and trust. Instead we continue to pray for their salvation and in the meantime we live by faith that He loves them and will save them. We remember that we don't have to understand why it hasn't happened yet, but instead we trust Him because we know He knows what's best for each of them and everything they go through will eventually turn them to Him and be used for His glory and their good.
We can also continue to live our life in the joy His salvation brings, showing them the big difference between living for ourselves and living for Him. For as long as we are living for Him, we can be filled with joy knowing that one day we will no longer have a sin nature and we will have an incorruptible body, and live with Him forever in eternal joy and pleasure, on a beautiful new earth. If we lose our joy, what is there to make them want to be saved anyway? Salvation isn't just about getting a ticket out of hell, after all! We've been called out of the darkness and into the Light, so why would we allow ourselves to go back into the darkness of depression once again? No!!! That is not God's Will. His Will is for us to be sanctified and for us to be lights to others so they can find their way to Him. If we're in the darkness of depression we can't lead others to Him by word or example!
Let me quote something Wiersbe said that helps me a lot: God has called us out of death and into life (John 5:24–25), out of darkness and into light (1 Pet. 2:9), out of Satan’s kingdom and into the kingdom of his Son (Col. 1:13), out of shame and into his wonderful glory (1 Pet. 5:10). We have a new position in Jesus Christ, and this new position determines our conduct (Col. 3:1-17; Eph. 4:1ff. (ff.means and the verses that follow). So it's our new position in Christ that determines our conduct, not our feelings, which we know are corrupted. Our job is to use the mind of Christ and knowing that those feelings of sadness and depression are wrong, we stop them and focus on the Lord and our blessed hope. “Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.” (Colossians 3:1–3) So when we feel down, we start praising God and if we keep praising Him, eventually our feelings will come into alignment with our praises. Use the Psalms to get you started such as, Psalm 8, Psalm 18 - I love this one as it shows God coming to rescue His child!; another favorite is Psalm 19; Psalm 27; Psalm 33; Psalm 34; Psalm 42; Psalm 43; Psalm 47; Psalm 57; Psalm 65; Psalm 66; Psalm 67; Psalm 91; Psalm 93; Psalm 95; Psalm 96; Psalm 97; Psalm 98; Psalm 100; Psalm 103; Psalm 104; Psalm 105; Psalm 106; Psalm 107; Psalm 111; Psalm 113; Psalm 118; Psalm 135; Psalm 138; Psalm 145; Psalm 146; Psalm 147; Psalm 148; Psalm 149; and Psalm 150. Let these words be your prayers, remembering too that Jesus used to say and sing these very Psalms!
What you wrote here about loving children was very good!
Remember, Bruce has another early morning appointment on Monday, so it will probably be Tuesday before i can get back to you. But if you don't come out of this slump by tomorrow, or you're just having trouble with it, then call me! You have my number, that's what it's for. Don't let Satan win this round or let him make it last any longer at all. You have all the spiritual resources you need, one of which is me, for the Lord uses us to help each other! So call me if you need to or just if you want to! OK???? Love you my sister! The Lord is going to do wonderful things for us! Actually, He already has, but because He is a good God of love and mercy, and because He will answer our prayers, He will do many more wonderful things for us, including saving our children and grandchildren! (PS. I'm praying for the salvation of your children and grandchildren as well as my own).
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Jan 25, 2019 12:11:51 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 13- The Beauty of Single Sainthood by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
Luke 20:27-36,
Isaiah 56:1-8,
Matthew 19:9-12,
Galatians 3:26-29,
1 Corinthians 7:6-9,
1 Corinthians 7:32-40,
1 Timothy 5:1-16
For the past few lessons, we’ve looked at biblical womanhood in the family – our roles as daughters, wives, and mothers. Today, we’re rounding out this portion of the study by examining the unique and honorable biblical role of the single woman. Next week, we’ll begin looking at biblical womanhood in the church setting.
(For the purposes of this lesson, we are simply looking at how a woman who is not currently married – regardless of how she came to be unmarried (never married, divorced, widowed) – can honor God in her daily life as an unmarried woman. We will not be delving into the various biblical/unbiblical aspects of divorce, whether or not never married women want to get married, whether widows today should remarry, etc. Those sorts of things are beyond the scope of this lesson and can be dealt with elsewhere.)
Questions to Consider
1. Briefly review Lesson 11, question 1 (link above). What were some of the character traits you listed from Proverbs 31 that should be traits of a godly woman regardless of her marital status? Today, we’ll be taking a look at some other qualities of godly single women and God’s instructions to them.
Answer:
Submission to her authorities
respectful
Trustworthy
Does good and not harm
industrious
hard working
dignified
kind
caring
merciful
compassionate
helpful
modest
fearless
discreet
servant's heart
good manager
diligent
good teacher
good ambassador for God
care giver
manages money well
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Jan 25, 2019 13:11:10 GMT -5
Thank you soooooooooooo much for what you wrote!!!!!!!!
It made me cry...but good tears, helped and hopefully tears.
I've been worried for mts that our daughter is slipping back into being an alcoholic. She started drinking as a young teen....
but then, so did I....
and my bio dad was a drug user and alcoholic ( and being a drummer/musician did not help), and Leonard's dad tho very very bright, was also a full blown alcoholic.
I wonder if my encouraging her to take the position of store manager was totally wrong? It added a ton of pressure on her....plus living with her fiancee who brought his 2 youngest children, to live with them....so she went from being a mom to her 2 to 4 children.....all in one year.
And those 2 children have lots of issues....they have been through so much, seeing their mom's husband try to kill her and at 30 she had a major heart attack or stroke due to being nearly choked to death, being homeless, in homeless shelters and so on.
I think Hossanah has done an all out amazing job with them ( I mean as well as one can do without God's Word).
I really don't know if I should say anything to her about the increased drinking/self-medicating? I have not as yet.
She seems to drink only at night....but it looks like a lot.....we can tell because when we come over each day a quart carton of wine is in the garbage. Yesterday, Leonard said that would be like 6 glasses of wine???
I say self-medicating thinking of the fact that 4 kids don't usually go to sleep at 7 or so....but she has to because she has to get up at 3 at night, to be to work on time.
Plus the last time she went to a doctor ( which she almost never does...no time and she hates it)
her BP was high enough he wanted to put her on meds....but she did not want to do that.....at least not now.
and i worry about her cigarette smoking ( also started at a very young age)
I am not sure if it is exacerbating her Raynaud symptoms ( maybe due to stress also?) but yesterday he fingers were the tell tale chalk white....( I too have that, but its seems to have greatly lessen....however if I get to wade this summer, it may come back as the ocean water her can be a wee bit icy!!!).
But of course, my main heart break is salvation concerning all of my family and loved ones.
So you words were so helpful. I really appreciated the hope you gave concerning how even if a person has ignored the Lord for a long time, and done their own thing, when they do turn to Him and are saved, their gratefulness is even greater, due to how much He saved them from.
Truly that is so for me!!! I to this day, cannot comprehend just how much He saved me from. And I know you could possibly think I might be exaggerating, but actually, I tend to think, that there has been even waaaaaaaay more that God saved me from dying from, before I was saved, than even I know ( and there were sooooo so many, I know of for sure!!!).
Thank you for the offer to call....I 'almost' did the other day....but then God gave me some peace and other things started happening....so it was okay.
I had to get up in the middle of the night, to go to Hossanah's because the kids don't have school, but Vanessa choose to spend it at a friend's.
So if I am not very clear, its because, of less than perfect ( ha) sleep. LOL
I know this is super long....but one last thing that added to my plunge.
When I was in college, I lived for a year with 4 Yale grad students getting their PHD's
It was NOT a good situation at all.....
Oh they were all highly intelligent, but without God.
But one named Donna was getting a triple PHD ( 2 areas of science and feminism). At the time, I really looked up to her.
But a couple of days I looked her up and saw several videos from Yale with her as a guest lecturer ( she is a professor emeritus now)
so I listened to one for probably less that 5 minutes of the hourand a half long talk.....
and that too was soooo sad and depressing.
It was like she was a living encyclopedia
endless 'facts' and knowledge, but zero wisdom.
She was talking about some incomprehensible science stuff and then
She did mentioning how her mom died at 16 when she was still a Catholic, and then Donna said she went to what she called 'high' Protestantism? Like maybe an episcopal? I have only been a congregationalism but mostly Baptist so ?
I guess what she mostly was referring to was William Slone Coffin
But then...
she giggled and said she finally came to earth and to be a terra pagan.
She has always been a leader in feminism, gay rights ( her husband was gay and they divorced while getting their degrees at Yale)
The woman is so smart, and so lost .
For the first time, I saw her as a lost child , but one so full of pride, it would take God hitting her with a lightening bolt to save her now ( she is 74).
it was so sad! I could not watch any more and just prayed for her, but was not greatly hopeful for her.
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Jan 26, 2019 14:07:14 GMT -5
Luke 20:27-36,
Question 2.
Examine the Luke 20 passage. Is marriage a temporal (earthly) state or an eternal (Heavenly) state?
What will be the marital status of everyone in Heaven?
How does the temporality of marriage demonstrate that being married and being single are simply two different avenues for serving Christ during our earthly lives?
Answer:
Marriage is a temporal earthly state
Everyone will be single
Since everyone will be single in Heaven, then either being married or single in this life does not keep anyone from serving God.
Marriage is not necessary to get to Heaven, being single you can concentrate on serving Christ, throughout this life.
However, being married is not a deterrent to Heaven as you are being fruitful and multiplying, raising (prayfully) Children that will become Godly men and woman...
therefore either married or single you are serving God in this life.
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Jan 26, 2019 23:48:19 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 13- The Beauty of Single Sainthood by Michelle Lesley
Isaiah 56:1-8,
Matthew 19:9-12,
Galatians 3:26-29,
Question 3.
Examine the Isaiah, Matthew, and Galatians passages together. Which two groups of people does the Isaiah passage talk about?
What was a eunuch?
Go to the Matthew passage.
In what three ways does verse 12 say that people can become eunuchs?
How could the phrase “made eunuchs by men” apply to someone who is involuntarily single (wants to marry but hasn’t had the opportunity)?
What does the phrase “made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven” mean?
How would the people Isaiah was addressing have understood the term “foreigner“? (3)
Think about the supreme importance Israel placed on marriage and offspring, and the importance they (should have) placed on separating themselves from pagan people from foreign nations. What would the social status of eunuchs and foreigners have been in the eyes of the average Israelite?
What word does verse 8 use to describe them?
Answer:
Eunuchs
and
foreigners
A Eunuch was castrated male or one incapable of reproduction due to a birth defect
Matthew 19:12 says:
"For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth",
"and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men",
"and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven"
To be made a 'eunuchs by men' would be to be castrated which would remove the ability and desire to have sex thru surgery that they did not want.
A foreigner would be someone who was not a Jew, and did not worship the true God. The fear was they would defile the Jews with their idols, and pagan practices. Therefore marry a foreigner was usually frowned on and in some cases if it happened it was considered so dangerous, divorce was insisted on.
Therefore the social status of a eunuch or foreigner would have been very low is the eyes of the average Israelite.
v.8 calls them: the outcasts of Israel
Yet, how does God view eunuchs and foreigners who love Him and are faithful to Him? (3-8)
Does He judge them by their nationality or marital status?
Is there a “back of the bus” section of the Kingdom for foreigners? (3a)
Are eunuchs worthless to God because they have not married and borne children? (3b)
What promises and comforts does God give these “outcasts”? (4-7)
What is their worth in God’s eyes?
Answer:
v.5 says: "5 I will give in my house and within my walls
a monument and a name
better than sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
that shall not be cut off."
and v.7
".....my house shall be called a house of prayer
for all peoples"
therefore they are loved, and not judged by their martial status or nationally.
There is no back of the bus status in God's kingdom for them, nor are eunuchs considered worthless because they are not married or have children.
They are promised a place in Heaven, a monument and a name, they shall not be cut off and they are considered equal as all believers.
Galatians 3:28 is sometimes described with the phrase, “The ground is level at the foot of the cross.” Explain how this applies to salvation and membership in the Body with regard to the concept “there is neither single nor married”.
Answer:
Everyone is Equal, God does not play favorites, and things like wither you were married or not does not give you a higher or lower status in God's eyes or heart.
Unmarried church members sometimes lament that they are treated as second class citizens by their church families. How should these three passages inform the way married church members value, love, fellowship with, and include unmarried church family members?
How should these passages inform the way single church members participate in the church body and reach out to and bond with brothers and sisters who are married?
Answer:
To not discriminate and to love them as your equal brothers and sisters and should not be barred from any church functions. Likewise the single members can reach out and bond with their married brothers and sisters in Christ.
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Jan 28, 2019 13:06:06 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 13- The Beauty of Single Sainthood by Michelle Lesley
1 Corinthians 7:6-9,
1 Corinthians 7:32-40,
Question 4.
Study the 1 Corinthians passages. Was Paul married or single at this point? (7-8)
What is his preference regarding Christians marrying, assuming they can faithfully carry it out? (7-8) What word does Paul use to describe both marriage and singlehood? (7)
Is this a positive word or a negative word?
List some ways marriage and singlehood can both be good gifts when harnessed for the glory of God.
Answer:
Paul was single
Paul's preference for Christians was for them to be single IF they could faithfully carry it out.
a 'gift' is the word Paul uses to describe both marriafe and singlehood, and the word is a positive word.
In your own words, what does verse 9 mean? What is the implicit instruction to single people about sex in this verse?
Answer:
If Christian men or woman, cannot win victory over temptation, lust and sexual desires, then its better to marry than to sin.
Unless one is able to avoid the comfortableness of never having sex, then one ought to marry.
Look at 32-40. What are some of the reasons Paul’s preference (7-8) is for Christians to remain unmarried?
What are some of the ways married people could be distracted from serving Christ?
What are some ways single people could be distracted from serving Christ?
(9, 36-37)
Answer:
some of the reasons for Paul's preference for Christians to remain single are:
to be free from worldly concerns
from having divided concerns
concerns how to please husbands and wives
Married people are distracted from serving Christ by having worldly concerns, concerns about pleasing husbands or wives, children, being like Martha having a nice home,
sex
food
decorating
materialism
busyness
on the other hand a single person can be distracted by trying to capture a mate
Dating
looking good
self-centered
entertainment
travel
job
List some ways you can, whether married or single, have an “undivided devotion to the Lord” and be “anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit.”
the single woman’s family’s responsibility toward her? What is her responsibility toward her family?
Answer
Having set times throughout the day for Bible study and prayer
In fact, to make an effort to pray about everything during the day as much as possible.
To avoid compromising situations
not be best friends with unbelievers
memorize Scripture
cultivate a servant's heart for the Lord
I would think a single Christian woman's parents would be similar to a married Christian in some respects.
However, the married Christian woman has a husband who provides for her materially, emotional support etc.
So if the single woman is unable to work, I would think her parents would continue to provide for her, but also would give her emotionally support, love, encouragement etc. and she would give them as much help, support, care, love etc. as she could.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Jan 29, 2019 11:26:50 GMT -5
Thank you soooooooooooo much for what you wrote!!!!!!!!
It made me cry...but good tears, helped and hopefully tears.
I've been worried for mts that our daughter is slipping back into being an alcoholic. She started drinking as a young teen....
but then, so did I....
and my bio dad was a drug user and alcoholic ( and being a drummer/musician did not help), and Leonard's dad tho very very bright, was also a full blown alcoholic.
I wonder if my encouraging her to take the position of store manager was totally wrong? It added a ton of pressure on her....plus living with her fiancee who brought his 2 youngest children, to live with them....so she went from being a mom to her 2 to 4 children.....all in one year.
And those 2 children have lots of issues....they have been through so much, seeing their mom's husband try to kill her and at 30 she had a major heart attack or stroke due to being nearly choked to death, being homeless, in homeless shelters and so on.
I think Hossanah has done an all out amazing job with them ( I mean as well as one can do without God's Word).
I really don't know if I should say anything to her about the increased drinking/self-medicating? I have not as yet.
She seems to drink only at night....but it looks like a lot.....we can tell because when we come over each day a quart carton of wine is in the garbage. Yesterday, Leonard said that would be like 6 glasses of wine???
I say self-medicating thinking of the fact that 4 kids don't usually go to sleep at 7 or so....but she has to because she has to get up at 3 at night, to be to work on time.
Plus the last time she went to a doctor ( which she almost never does...no time and she hates it)
her BP was high enough he wanted to put her on meds....but she did not want to do that.....at least not now.
and i worry about her cigarette smoking ( also started at a very young age)
I am not sure if it is exacerbating her Raynaud symptoms ( maybe due to stress also?) but yesterday he fingers were the tell tale chalk white....( I too have that, but its seems to have greatly lessen....however if I get to wade this summer, it may come back as the ocean water her can be a wee bit icy!!!).
But of course, my main heart break is salvation concerning all of my family and loved ones.
So you words were so helpful. I really appreciated the hope you gave concerning how even if a person has ignored the Lord for a long time, and done their own thing, when they do turn to Him and are saved, their gratefulness is even greater, due to how much He saved them from.
Truly that is so for me!!! I to this day, cannot comprehend just how much He saved me from. And I know you could possibly think I might be exaggerating, but actually, I tend to think, that there has been even waaaaaaaay more that God saved me from dying from, before I was saved, than even I know ( and there were sooooo so many, I know of for sure!!!).
Thank you for the offer to call....I 'almost' did the other day....but then God gave me some peace and other things started happening....so it was okay.
I had to get up in the middle of the night, to go to Hossanah's because the kids don't have school, but Vanessa choose to spend it at a friend's.
So if I am not very clear, its because, of less than perfect ( ha) sleep. LOL
I know this is super long....but one last thing that added to my plunge.
When I was in college, I lived for a year with 4 Yale grad students getting their PHD's
It was NOT a good situation at all.....
Oh they were all highly intelligent, but without God.
But one named Donna was getting a triple PHD ( 2 areas of science and feminism). At the time, I really looked up to her.
But a couple of days I looked her up and saw several videos from Yale with her as a guest lecturer ( she is a professor emeritus now)
so I listened to one for probably less that 5 minutes of the hourand a half long talk.....
and that too was soooo sad and depressing.
It was like she was a living encyclopedia
endless 'facts' and knowledge, but zero wisdom.
She was talking about some incomprehensible science stuff and then
She did mentioning how her mom died at 16 when she was still a Catholic, and then Donna said she went to what she called 'high' Protestantism? Like maybe an episcopal? I have only been a congregationalism but mostly Baptist so ?
I guess what she mostly was referring to was William Slone Coffin
But then...
she giggled and said she finally came to earth and to be a terra pagan.
She has always been a leader in feminism, gay rights ( her husband was gay and they divorced while getting their degrees at Yale)
The woman is so smart, and so lost .
For the first time, I saw her as a lost child , but one so full of pride, it would take God hitting her with a lightening bolt to save her now ( she is 74).
it was so sad! I could not watch any more and just prayed for her, but was not greatly hopeful for her.
As far as your daughter's drinking goes, that is a lot to drink in one day. I don't know what would be best, but you might simply remind her that no one intentionally decides to be become an alcoholic; instead they just get hooked because they have a biological inclination to become addicted to it. (or something like that - you can probably say it better) Sadly no one knows just which drink will be the one that begins the ordeal of addiction, especially when it runs in the family. I'd probably use one of my grandkids to say all this too, after setting it up with them so that their mom would overhear it. That way it wouldn't be said directly to her, but she'd get the message lol.
Remember though, no matter what you've suggested or urged someone to do, we each make our own choices. She didn't choose to do what she's doing just because you encouraged her. She chose it for her own reasons and you are not to blame at all for her life. (that's another lie Satan loves to make mothers think!) Again, God is in control, not us. She would have chosen that even if you'd encouraged the opposite. So no more blaming yourself, ok? We have to take responsibility for our own lives and let our children take responsibility for theirs. It's Satan's victim mentality that says that someone else is responsible for me doing this or that, or getting into current circumstances, which is a lie. Each person is responsible for what they themselves choose to do or not do and no one else. (Ezekiel 18:20)
Please, call me anytime! I'd much rather have you call me and not really "need" to talk, then have you wait, and wind up feeling worse! At least if you call me, I'll have done something useful that day, lol.
I'm sorry about your friend from college, but not surprised. It's sad how that happens....
|
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Jan 29, 2019 11:46:52 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 13- The Beauty of Single Sainthood by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
Luke 20:27-36,
Isaiah 56:1-8,
Matthew 19:9-12,
Galatians 3:26-29,
1 Corinthians 7:6-9,
1 Corinthians 7:32-40,
1 Timothy 5:1-16
For the past few lessons, we’ve looked at biblical womanhood in the family – our roles as daughters, wives, and mothers. Today, we’re rounding out this portion of the study by examining the unique and honorable biblical role of the single woman. Next week, we’ll begin looking at biblical womanhood in the church setting.
(For the purposes of this lesson, we are simply looking at how a woman who is not currently married – regardless of how she came to be unmarried (never married, divorced, widowed) – can honor God in her daily life as an unmarried woman. We will not be delving into the various biblical/unbiblical aspects of divorce, whether or not never married women want to get married, whether widows today should remarry, etc. Those sorts of things are beyond the scope of this lesson and can be dealt with elsewhere.)
Questions to Consider
1. Briefly review Lesson 11, question 1 (link above). What were some of the character traits you listed from Proverbs 31 that should be traits of a godly woman regardless of her marital status? Today, we’ll be taking a look at some other qualities of godly single women and God’s instructions to them.
Answer:
Submission to her authorities
respectful
Trustworthy
Does good and not harm
industrious
hard working
dignified
kind
caring
merciful
compassionate
helpful
modest
fearless
discreet
servant's heart
good manager
diligent
good teacher
good ambassador for God
care giver
manages money well
Luke 20:27-36,
Question 2.
Examine the Luke 20 passage. Is marriage a temporal (earthly) state or an eternal (Heavenly) state?
What will be the marital status of everyone in Heaven?
How does the temporality of marriage demonstrate that being married and being single are simply two different avenues for serving Christ during our earthly lives?
Answer:
Marriage is a temporal earthly state
Everyone will be single
Since everyone will be single in Heaven, then either being married or single in this life does not keep anyone from serving God.
Marriage is not necessary to get to Heaven, being single you can concentrate on serving Christ, throughout this life.
However, being married is not a deterrent to Heaven as you are being fruitful and multiplying, raising (prayfully) Children that will become Godly men and woman...
therefore either married or single you are serving God in this life.
 Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 13- The Beauty of Single Sainthood by Michelle Lesley
Isaiah 56:1-8,
Matthew 19:9-12,
Galatians 3:26-29,
Question 3.
Examine the Isaiah, Matthew, and Galatians passages together. Which two groups of people does the Isaiah passage talk about?
What was a eunuch?
Go to the Matthew passage.
In what three ways does verse 12 say that people can become eunuchs?
How could the phrase “made eunuchs by men” apply to someone who is involuntarily single (wants to marry but hasn’t had the opportunity)?
What does the phrase “made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven” mean?
How would the people Isaiah was addressing have understood the term “foreigner“? (3)
Think about the supreme importance Israel placed on marriage and offspring, and the importance they (should have) placed on separating themselves from pagan people from foreign nations. What would the social status of eunuchs and foreigners have been in the eyes of the average Israelite?
What word does verse 8 use to describe them?
Answer:
Eunuchs
and
foreigners
A Eunuch was castrated male or one incapable of reproduction due to a birth defect
Matthew 19:12 says:
"For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth",
"and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men",
"and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven"
To be made a 'eunuchs by men' would be to be castrated which would remove the ability and desire to have sex thru surgery that they did not want.
A foreigner would be someone who was not a Jew, and did not worship the true God. The fear was they would defile the Jews with their idols, and pagan practices. Therefore marry a foreigner was usually frowned on and in some cases if it happened it was considered so dangerous, divorce was insisted on.
Therefore the social status of a eunuch or foreigner would have been very low is the eyes of the average Israelite.
v.8 calls them: the outcasts of Israel
Yet, how does God view eunuchs and foreigners who love Him and are faithful to Him? (3-8)
Does He judge them by their nationality or marital status?
Is there a “back of the bus” section of the Kingdom for foreigners? (3a)
Are eunuchs worthless to God because they have not married and borne children? (3b)
What promises and comforts does God give these “outcasts”? (4-7)
What is their worth in God’s eyes?
Answer:
v.5 says: "5 I will give in my house and within my walls
a monument and a name
better than sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
that shall not be cut off."
and v.7
".....my house shall be called a house of prayer
for all peoples"
therefore they are loved, and not judged by their martial status or nationally.
There is no back of the bus status in God's kingdom for them, nor are eunuchs considered worthless because they are not married or have children.
They are promised a place in Heaven, a monument and a name, they shall not be cut off and they are considered equal as all believers.
Galatians 3:28 is sometimes described with the phrase, “The ground is level at the foot of the cross.” Explain how this applies to salvation and membership in the Body with regard to the concept “there is neither single nor married”.
Answer:
Everyone is Equal, God does not play favorites, and things like wither you were married or not does not give you a higher or lower status in God's eyes or heart.
Unmarried church members sometimes lament that they are treated as second class citizens by their church families. How should these three passages inform the way married church members value, love, fellowship with, and include unmarried church family members?
How should these passages inform the way single church members participate in the church body and reach out to and bond with brothers and sisters who are married?
Answer:
To not discriminate and to love them as your equal brothers and sisters and should not be barred from any church functions. Likewise the single members can reach out and bond with their married brothers and sisters in Christ.
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 13- The Beauty of Single Sainthood by Michelle Lesley
1 Corinthians 7:6-9,
1 Corinthians 7:32-40,
Question 4.
Study the 1 Corinthians passages. Was Paul married or single at this point? (7-8)
What is his preference regarding Christians marrying, assuming they can faithfully carry it out? (7-8) What word does Paul use to describe both marriage and singlehood? (7)
Is this a positive word or a negative word?
List some ways marriage and singlehood can both be good gifts when harnessed for the glory of God.
Answer:
Paul was single
Paul's preference for Christians was for them to be single IF they could faithfully carry it out.
a 'gift' is the word Paul uses to describe both marriafe and singlehood, and the word is a positive word.
In your own words, what does verse 9 mean? What is the implicit instruction to single people about sex in this verse?
Answer:
If Christian men or woman, cannot win victory over temptation, lust and sexual desires, then its better to marry than to sin.
Unless one is able to avoid the comfortableness of never having sex, then one ought to marry.
Look at 32-40. What are some of the reasons Paul’s preference (7-8) is for Christians to remain unmarried?
What are some of the ways married people could be distracted from serving Christ?
What are some ways single people could be distracted from serving Christ?
(9, 36-37)
Answer:
some of the reasons for Paul's preference for Christians to remain single are:
to be free from worldly concerns
from having divided concerns
concerns how to please husbands and wives
Married people are distracted from serving Christ by having worldly concerns, concerns about pleasing husbands or wives, children, being like Martha having a nice home,
sex
food
decorating
materialism
busyness
on the other hand a single person can be distracted by trying to capture a mate
Dating
looking good
self-centered
entertainment
travel
job
List some ways you can, whether married or single, have an “undivided devotion to the Lord” and be “anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit.”
the single woman’s family’s responsibility toward her? What is her responsibility toward her family?
Answer
Having set times throughout the day for Bible study and prayer
In fact, to make an effort to pray about everything during the day as much as possible.
To avoid compromising situations
not be best friends with unbelievers
memorize Scripture
cultivate a servant's heart for the Lord
I would think a single Christian woman's parents would be similar to a married Christian in some respects.
However, the married Christian woman has a husband who provides for her materially, emotional support etc.
So if the single woman is unable to work, I would think her parents would continue to provide for her, but also would give her emotionally support, love, encouragement etc. and she would give them as much help, support, care, love etc. as she could.
Again very good! You're really on a roll!
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Jan 29, 2019 12:20:10 GMT -5
]
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 13- The Beauty of Single Sainthood by Michelle Lesley
1 Timothy 5:1-16
Question 5.
Study the 1 Timothy passage.
Strictly in its immediate context, what is this passage about?
What are the responsibilities of the church toward elderly widows?
Toward young widows?
What is the responsibility of the widow’s family to care for her (4,8,16)?
Answer:
Widows
If an elderly ( over 60) widow, has no family at all who can help her, the church is responsible to provide and help her,
but,
if she is a young widow, the church is not responsible,
because, she could get married again, and have children.
]Now let’s take a broader view of this passage and examine it strictly for the godly and ungodly character traits and behaviors it describes.
Make a list of the godly character traits and behaviors of a widow.
Make a list of the ungodly character traits and behaviors of a widow.
Answer:
godly character traits and behaviors of a widow:
has set her hope on God
continues in supplications and prayers night and day
the wife of one husband
a reputation for good works
brought up children
shown hospitality
washed the feet of the saints
cared for the afflicted
devoted herself to every good work
ungodly character traits and behaviors of a widow:
self-indulgent
their passions draw them away from Christ
abandoned their former faith
idlers
going about from house to house
gossips
busybodies
saying what they should not
some have already strayed after Satan
]A widow is, fundamentally, a woman who does not currently have a husband. Could these character traits and behaviors apply to non-widowed unmarried women?
What can you learn from this passage about pleasing God in your life as a single woman?
]
Answer:
Yes, these character traits and behaviors apply to non-widowed unmarried women, and apply the same list of godly character traits and behaviors of a widow, to her life as a single woman
]
What is the church’s responsibility toward single women?
What is the single woman’s family’s responsibility toward her?
What is her responsibility toward her family?
]
Answer:
The church does not have to provide materially for a single woman ( tho I am thinking there may be times when it would, like if she had a terrible accident and had no family to take care of her)
However, it is responsible to love her, give her spiritual encouragement etc.
Families are to provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household...and visa versa, she is responsible for parents etc. especially as they age.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Jan 30, 2019 9:43:48 GMT -5
Before I reply to your latest answers, I wanted to mention something I thought of last night. I can't believe we didn't think of this before! Remember when I asked you Why is it important for us to study motherhood when our children are already grown? We gave good answers but we never thought of the main one! Because the scriptures say that at our age, we're to teach the younger women how to love their husbands and children! “Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.” (Titus 2:4–5) So we still have a job to do! (or did we say that and I just forgot? lol)]
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 13- The Beauty of Single Sainthood by Michelle Lesley
1 Timothy 5:1-16
Question 5.
Study the 1 Timothy passage.
Strictly in its immediate context, what is this passage about?
What are the responsibilities of the church toward elderly widows?
Toward young widows?
What is the responsibility of the widow’s family to care for her (4,8,16)?
Answer:
Widows
If an elderly ( over 60) widow, has no family at all who can help her, the church is responsible to provide and help her,
but,
if she is a young widow, the church is not responsible,
because, she could get married again, and have children.
]Now let’s take a broader view of this passage and examine it strictly for the godly and ungodly character traits and behaviors it describes.
Make a list of the godly character traits and behaviors of a widow.
Make a list of the ungodly character traits and behaviors of a widow.
Answer:
godly character traits and behaviors of a widow:
has set her hope on God
continues in supplications and prayers night and day
the wife of one husband
a reputation for good works
brought up children
shown hospitality
washed the feet of the saints
cared for the afflicted
devoted herself to every good work
ungodly character traits and behaviors of a widow:
self-indulgent
their passions draw them away from Christ
abandoned their former faith
idlers
going about from house to house
gossips
busybodies
saying what they should not
some have already strayed after Satan
]A widow is, fundamentally, a woman who does not currently have a husband. Could these character traits and behaviors apply to non-widowed unmarried women?
What can you learn from this passage about pleasing God in your life as a single woman? ]
Answer:
Yes, these character traits and behaviors apply to non-widowed unmarried women, and apply the same list of godly character traits and behaviors of a widow, to her life as a single woman
]
What is the church’s responsibility toward single women?
What is the single woman’s family’s responsibility toward her?
What is her responsibility toward her family?
]
Answer:
The church does not have to provide materially for a single woman ( tho I am thinking there may be times when it would, like if she had a terrible accident and had no family to take care of her)
However, it is responsible to love her, give her spiritual encouragement etc.
Families are to provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household...and visa versa, she is responsible for parents etc. especially as they age.
I'm sure you've noticed that no church does this anymore - as far as supporting widows goes. Oh, they may help during a crisis at times, but no church takes on the responsibility of completely supporting a widow that has no family left anymore. Now they expect the government to do this.
I'll post the next one for you now.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Jan 30, 2019 10:10:41 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 14- A Beautiful Position in the Church by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
Gal 3:28,
1 Cor 14:33-35,
1 Tim 2:11-3:13,
Tit 1:5-9
For the past few lessons, we’ve looked at biblical womanhood in the family. Today, we’ll begin looking at biblical womanhood in the church setting, examining the beautiful position God has given women in the gathering of the Body.
Questions to Consider
1. Read Galatians 3:28 (if you have a moment, read all of chapter 3 for a fuller view of the context). What does this verse, especially in light of the remainder of chapter 3, mean? What does it mean to be “one in Christ Jesus”? How does this verse speak to the concept of unity in the church? How does this verse speak to the equal value of every person in the eyes of God? When it comes to a soul being saved, is there any difference between a woman or man, slave or freeman, Jew or Greek? Do Greeks have to repent more than Jews? Does Jesus have to work harder to save women than men?
2. Briefly review the topics of lessons 4-9 (links above). Are any of these concepts (identity in Christ, being created by God, etc.) specific to one sex, or do they apply to all people? Make two lists: “Things Christians Are” and “Things Christians Do”. List about 5-10 things Christians are (ex: forgiven, ambassadors for Christ) and things Christians do (ex: pray, show mercy). Are any of the things you listed specific to men only or women only? Considering all the things the Bible says Christians are and Christians do, what would you estimate is the percentage of things all Christians are to be and do versus the percentage of things that are only for men or only for women?
3. Examine the 1 Corinthians passage. Verse 33 is kind of the “theme verse” of 1 Corinthians 14. What is the main subject of this chapter? (Hint: See section heading here). What is the venue (home, church, marketplace, etc.) in which the instructions of chapter 14 apply? (33b) Briefly skim over the rest of chapter 14. What was the overall, “for the greater good,” reason for the instruction to women in v. 34-35? What were some other activities and people the Holy Spirit, via Paul, placed restrictions on in chapter 14? Why? What is the main priority of chapter 14? Does the instruction in 34-35 mean that women may never utter a word once they step through the doors of the church? How do you know that? What do these instructions mean, and how do they apply to women in the church today? What do these instructions teach us about our responsibility to pay attention to the preaching and teaching of the Word and learn from it? How can this passage help us to see the value and edification in discussing the Scriptures at home with our husbands?
4. Go to the 1 Timothy and Titus passages by clicking on the “Read These Selected Scriptures” link at the top of today’s lesson. Recall that when the Bible was written, there were no chapter and verse numbers. (Those were added much later.) First Timothy and Titus would have read like one long, continuous letter or e-mail. Click on the “options” icon and uncheck the box next to “verse numbers”.
Now read the 1 Timothy passage, noting the flow of thought and how the end of chapter 2 is interconnected with chapter 3. What is the main idea of this passage? (OK, now click the verse numbers back on. :0)
What is the first word of verse 11? Think about women’s social status and value in Paul and Timothy’s culture, and in many cultures since that time, even today. Why does the Holy Spirit instruct pastors to “let” women learn? What does this teach us about the responsibility God places on us as women to learn His Word? Would you categorize verse 11 as a “do this” or “don’t do this” verse?
Examine verse 12. Is this mainly a “do this” or “don’t do this” verse? What two things does the Holy Spirit say women are not to do in the gathering of the church body? What does He say women are to do? Think about God’s nature and character. Does He ever give instructions arbitrarily or just to spoil our fun? Why does God give us commands and instructions, generally speaking? Are the instructions in verse 12 good for women and for the church?
Does God have to give us the reasons behind His instructions, or is “because I said so” sufficient reason for us to obey Him? Take a look at 13-14. God kindly gives not one, but two reasons for His instructions in verses 11-12. What are those two reasons? How do they fall in line with God’s design for male headship and leadership across biblical history in the hierarchical structures He has set up?
The 11-15 passage starts with a “do this” verse (11), followed by a “don’t do this” (12) “and here’s why” (13-14) section, then finishes up with another “do this” verse (15).
Verse 15 can be a little cryptic to us today because we equate the word “saved” with salvation. Does verse 15 mean that women gain salvation by having children? How do we know it doesn’t? The NASB helpfully, and more accurately, renders this word as “preserved“. We don’t feel it much today, but think about the stigma women (particularly Jewish women) carried at the time this was written simply because they were daughters of Eve. Paradise was lost and the curse of sin entered the world because of a woman, many men thought, and they viewed and treated women accordingly. Yet who was chosen to bring the Messiah into the world? And following in her footsteps, a major way godly women can “save” or “preserve” the reputation, esteem, and value of womankind is to “continue in” what 3 godly character traits? (15) Because if they continue in those three godly character traits, they will be raising up a godly seed to the Lord (even if the children they bear aren’t perfect like Mary’s child was :0)
So we’ve seen the position women are to occupy in the church, followed by the positions women aren’t to occupy, and that’s followed, in the 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 passages by the p_____s m__ are to o____.
According to the 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 passages, which positions are men to occupy in the church? What is an overseer? (Use your cross-references if necessary.) Go through these two passages circling any words or phrases that indicate that pastors, elders, and deacons are to be men. Are these positions open to all men in the church?
Examine each of the three sections (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 3:8-13, and Titus 1:5-9) individually. How could the wife of a pastor, elder, or deacon help him, or make things easier for him, to meet the biblical requirements for his office? (Ex: How could a pastor’s wife make it easier for him to be hospitable?)
Homework
If you’d like to dig deeper on some of these passages, you may enjoy reading the following articles from my Rock Your Role series:
All Things Being Equal (Galatians 3:28)
Order in His Courts: Silencing Women? (1 Corinthians 14:33b-35)
Jill in the Pulpit (1 Timothy 2:11-12)
Suggested Memory Verse
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Jan 30, 2019 13:50:29 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 14- A Beautiful Position in the Church by Michelle Lesley
Gal 3:28
Question 1
Read Galatians 3:28 (if you have a moment, read all of chapter 3 for a fuller view of the context).
What does this verse, especially in light of the remainder of chapter 3, mean? ]
Answer:
We are not saved by our nationality, race, sex, social status etc.
There are of course 'differences' a man is not a woman, and they are different, but those things have no meaning, concerning wither or not one can be saved. Romans 2:11 "For God shows no partiality"
Belonging to Christ, means those boundaries of the past, belonging to Abraham, has been extended in Christ, to all....and therefore any person could attain t o the promises given to Abraham and be therefore his heir. Abraham was not justified by race, sex, nationality etc. but by faith. This is not about the land but about eternal life, the spiritual promises.
What does it mean to be “one in Christ
How does this verse speak to the concept of unity in the church?
How does this verse speak to the equal value of every person in the eyes of God?]
Answer:
God does not have favorites, therefore all believers are people who on the same level in God's eyes, and are unified in their love of Jesus and are saved. They are united in the Love of God, scripture, their brothers and sisters in Christ, with hearts for the lost etc.
God does not esteem men over woman or woman over men, nor one race over another, nor one country, nor rich over poor, beauty over plain etc. all are equally loved.
When it comes to a soul being saved, is there any difference between a woman or man, slave or freeman, Jew or Greek?
Do Greeks have to repent more than Jews?
Does Jesus have to work harder to save women than men?]
Answer:
No one group of people has to do specially or difficult things to be saved, based on sex, race etc. , nor do they have to repent more than Jews. Likewise Jesus does not have to work harder to save woman than men etc.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Jan 31, 2019 11:33:30 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 14- A Beautiful Position in the Church by Michelle Lesley
Gal 3:28
Question 1
Read Galatians 3:28 (if you have a moment, read all of chapter 3 for a fuller view of the context).
What does this verse, especially in light of the remainder of chapter 3, mean? ]
Answer:
We are not saved by our nationality, race, sex, social status etc.
There are of course 'differences' a man is not a woman, and they are different, but those things have no meaning, concerning wither or not one can be saved. Romans 2:11 "For God shows no partiality"
Belonging to Christ, means those boundaries of the past, belonging to Abraham, has been extended in Christ, to all....and therefore any person could attain to the promises given to Abraham and be therefore his heir. Abraham was not justified by race, sex, nationality etc. but by faith. This is not about the land but about eternal life, the spiritual promises.
What does it mean to be “one in Christ
How does this verse speak to the concept of unity in the church?
How does this verse speak to the equal value of every person in the eyes of God?]
Answer:
God does not have favorites, therefore all believers are people who on the same level in God's eyes, and are unified in their love of Jesus and are saved. They are united in the Love of God, scripture, their brothers and sisters in Christ, with hearts for the lost etc.
God does not esteem men over woman or woman over men, nor one race over another, nor one country, nor rich over poor, beauty over plain etc. all are equally loved.
When it comes to a soul being saved, is there any difference between a woman or man, slave or freeman, Jew or Greek?
Do Greeks have to repent more than Jews?
Does Jesus have to work harder to save women than men?]
Answer:
No one group of people has to do specially or difficult things to be saved, based on sex, race etc. , nor do they have to repent more than Jews. Likewise Jesus does not have to work harder to save woman than men etc.
I'm currently studying about the Exodus- just at the very beginning after all the plagues. Anyway, God makes something very clear both in the Genesis part about Joseph and then on into Exodus, which is that He didn't save any one based on anything about them. Not on anything they'd done, said, or were or would do or say in the future, not even on their potential. He saved those He chose simply because He wanted to because He has chosen to love them. What's weird is that God had me reading another book called "The joy project" at the same time, (which by the way, was fantastic!) and it stressed that same thing too. This is wonderful news even though it's not at all how we'd do things, because it shows that there's also nothing that can make Him change His mind!
What's sad is that many people would answer those last questions with a "yes".
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Jan 31, 2019 11:44:36 GMT -5
Did you see that Mark wants to join our Bible study?
he posted in the one on Acts.....I did reply, but was not sure if I should have asked him to join us here.....I did not say anything about that....left it up to you LOL
I saw where you were reading and had finished the book on Joy....I looked on Amazon but it was something like $35 or 40 dollars...
so I just put a 'want to' read on it.
That was really a good reminder about what God said about how He did not choose Israel because of anything 'special' about them.
But it is soooo sad that even some 'Christians' hate the Jews.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Jan 31, 2019 11:57:22 GMT -5
here's a couple of the quotes from The Joy Project that I saved yesterday that you might like. The last one shows how we got to where we are today:
“There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. . . . If you worship money and things, if they are where you tap real meaning in life, then you will never have enough, never feel you have enough. It’s the truth. Worship your body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly. And when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally grieve you.”
True happiness is not found. It finds you (1 Pet. 1:1–9). Follow the flow of this passage & it begins with God’s sovereign election & ends with our Christ-centered joy. Those two glories are eternally linked in God’s plan. Our delight in Christ must follow God’s electing grace.
The pursuit of joy is always a dominant force in society, & it always calls for a narrative to make sense of it. Such was the case with a “joy project” authored in 1986, when the California state assembly proposed a State Task Force to Promote Self-Esteem. They inaugurated a social swell that swept across the country, as one writer explained: Based on the notion that low self-esteem caused every kind of social woe from teenage pregnancy to low test scores & high dropout rates, school curricula & parenting techniques were radically transformed, their main objective now being to cultivate high self-esteem among the young, which activists proclaimed would cure those social woes & make America a safer, happier, & better place. A multibillion-dollar industry surged around self-esteem. Behind the project was the hope that increasing self-esteem would not only change the climate of American high schools, but would also transform an entire generation & bring wholesale reform to every dark corner of society. Self-esteem, they said, would curb crime, stifle addictions, & boost intellect. The thought went like this: If everyone feels more secure & certain about themselves, then we will all feel loved, & such a warmth of self-love will ignite a reforming joy throughout society... The entire self-esteem project was a failure. The more kids bought into this hallucination of self-superiority, the more they underachieved. The whole self-esteem experiment was later found to lead to a spike in bullying, narcissism, elitism, & even racism. The Joy Project.
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Jan 31, 2019 13:33:14 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 14- A Beautiful Position in the Church by Michelle Lesley
Question 2. Briefly review the topics of lessons 4-9 (links above). Are any of these concepts (identity in Christ, being created by God, etc.) specific to one sex, or do they apply to all people?
Answer:
The concepts apply to all people
Make two lists: “Things Christians Are” and “Things Christians Do”.
List about 5-10 things Christians are (ex: forgiven, ambassadors for Christ) and things Christians do (ex: pray, show mercy). Are any of the things you listed specific to men only or women only?
Answer:
Things Christians Are:
Lovers of the triune God: the Father, son-Jesus, the Holy Spirit
Forgiven
Ambassadors for Christ
Saved
a child of God and an heir of Jesus
humble
obedient to God and His Word
heaven bound
prayer warriors
disciples of Jesus
blessed
believers in the whole Bible
worshipers of God
Things Christians do:
pray
Show mercy
Read and study the Bible
worship
Give Thanks
Tell others about sin, the Lord and salvation, make disciples
Repent
give to others ( love, money, time, help etc.) having a servant's heart and acting on it.
Considering all the things the Bible says Christians are and Christians do, what would you estimate is the percentage of things all Christians are to be and do versus the percentage of things that are only for men or only for women?
Answer:
Other than men being the head of the family ( but not a dictator etc.)
and woman not to be a pastor of the church
everything else, is equal so 2 percent is for men only
I am thinking....but I know I do get things wrong...soooo?
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Jan 31, 2019 13:39:16 GMT -5
I loved the quotes from the Joy book!!!
Wow!!
Can that get posted on Facebook?
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Feb 1, 2019 11:48:00 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 14- A Beautiful Position in the Church by Michelle Lesley
1 Cor 14:33-35,
Question 3.
Examine the 1 Corinthians passage. Verse 33 is kind of the “theme verse” of 1 Corinthians 14. What is the main subject of this chapter?
What is the venue (home, church, marketplace, etc.) in which the instructions of chapter 14 apply? (33b)
Answer:
Things in church should be done decently and in an orderly fashion.
The venue is the church
Briefly skim over the rest of chapter 14. What was the overall, “for the greater good,” reason for the instruction to women in v. 34-35?
Answer:
So there would not be a chaotic unruly free for all.
What were some other activities and people the Holy Spirit, via Paul, placed restrictions on in chapter 14?
Why?
What is the main priority of chapter 14?
Answer:
Speaking in tongues
and
prophecy
they had limitations for similar reason, not to have chaos,
but instead, for things to be done orderly,
which is the main priority, and so that , any unbeliever will be convicted that God was real and among them.
Does the instruction in 34-35 mean that women may never utter a word once they step through the doors of the church?
How do you know that?
What do these instructions mean, and how do they apply to women in the church today? What do these instructions teach us about our responsibility to pay attention to the preaching and teaching of the Word and learn from it?
Answer:
No, I do not think it means women can never utter a word in church, but I am thinking that at least in three areas they need to be quite.....
since one of the main issues was not about speaking in tongues, I am thinking that might be one restriction ( esp. back then, but I personally do not think the Pentecostal gibberish is Christian at all, and even men today, should not be deceived into it)
Also, woman are, in general more talkative and tend to gossip and socialize, so this 'could 'be another issue (?),
but also back then, it seems like woman were asking all sorts of questions, interrupting, disrupting, and maybe even being rude as well.....
which leads to the point of ,
instead,
woman ( as well as men who are not the pastor, teacher etc.)
need to be respectful and carefully pay attention to the preaching and teaching of the word.
How can this passage help us to see the value and edification in discussing the Scriptures at home with our husbands?
Answer:
Woman may indeed have questions, and there would be great value in discussing Scripture with their ( our) husbands at home...and not disrupt the service/sermon with our questions.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Feb 1, 2019 12:55:35 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 14- A Beautiful Position in the Church by Michelle Lesley
Question 2. Briefly review the topics of lessons 4-9 (links above). Are any of these concepts (identity in Christ, being created by God, etc.) specific to one sex, or do they apply to all people?
Answer:
The concepts apply to all people
Make two lists: “Things Christians Are” and “Things Christians Do”.
List about 5-10 things Christians are (ex: forgiven, ambassadors for Christ) and things Christians do (ex: pray, show mercy). Are any of the things you listed specific to men only or women only?
Answer:
Things Christians Are:
Lovers of the triune God: the Father, son-Jesus, the Holy Spirit
Forgiven
Ambassadors for Christ
Saved
a child of God and an heir of Jesus
humble
obedient to God and His Word
heaven bound
prayer warriors
disciples of Jesus
blessed
believers in the whole Bible
worshipers of God
Things Christians do:
pray
Show mercy
Read and study the Bible
worship
Give Thanks
Tell others about sin, the Lord and salvation, make disciples
Repent
give to others ( love, money, time, help etc.) having a servant's heart and acting on it.
Considering all the things the Bible says Christians are and Christians do, what would you estimate is the percentage of things all Christians are to be and do versus the percentage of things that are only for men or only for women?
Answer:
Other than men being the head of the family ( but not a dictator etc.)
and woman not to be a pastor of the church
everything else, is equal so 2 percent is for men only
I am thinking....but I know I do get things wrong...soooo?
 you got things we are mixed in with things we do and the other way around LOL It's the difference between our identity and what we do. And those are things the world tends to mix up completely, which is why we often think our identity is in what we do - such as when I thought of my identity as being a mother or as a nurse. So let's look at your lists a little closer ok?
Things Christians Are:
Lovers of the triune God: the Father, son-Jesus, the Holy Spirit
Forgiven
Ambassadors for Christ
Saved
a child of God and an heir of Jesus
humble
obedient to God and His Word
heaven bound
prayer warriors
disciples of Jesus
blessed
believers in the whole Bible
worshipers of God
Maybe if we used the word, "I am" before something, it would help us define it better:
I am loved (not lovers as that's something we do)
I am forgiven
I am an ambassador of Christ
I am saved
I am God's daughter (or a child of God)
I am an heir WITH Jesus
While saying "I am humble" fits in a way, it's not something that we always are as we're also quite proud at times. For this we're looking for things that are always 100% true. This is also true of saying "I am obedient to God and His Word". While we'd like to always be so, that won't be true until we're in Heaven.
I am a citizen of heaven (rather than heaven bound as that says where we're going not who we are)
Being a prayer warrior is again something we do, not who we are.
I am a disciple of Jesus
I am blessed
I am a believer in the whole Bible is again something we do imperfectly now but will one day be perfected in, and not something we are.
I am a worshiper of God again is something we do and not something we are.
I'll add a couple more so that we have an even 12 which is what you'll have on the bottom one:
I am dead to the power of sin.
I am a new creation.
I am complete in Christ.
Ok, for the next one let's try saying this before each one: "Christians like to: (or try to:)....." and everything you wrote there fits nicely with that! Now lets try to add some of the ones you had above to this list:
Things Christians do:
pray
Show mercy
Read and study the Bible
worship
Give Thanks
Tell others about sin, the Lord and salvation, make disciples
Repent
give to others ( love, money, time, help etc.) having a servant's heart and acting on it.
Christians like to: (or try to:) be humble
Christians like to: (or try to:) be obedient to God and His Word
Christians like to: (or try to:) be a prayer warrior (but you already have that at the top)
Christians like to: (or try to:) be a believer in the whole Bible
Christians like to: (or try to:) be a worshiper of God
As far as a percentage goes, I wouldn't have a clue, but your guess is as good as mine lol. I can think of a few other things that are different between the sexes, but most are generally for both. I'm sure that's the answer she's looking for - that the vast majority is for everyone with only a few things being for specific people or a specific sex.
I loved the quotes from the Joy book!!!
Wow!!
Can that get posted on Facebook?
Download this book in three digital formats, free of charge, at www.desiringgod.org/books/the-joy-project
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Feb 2, 2019 12:37:39 GMT -5
Since today is our once a month shopping day, and I do not want to rush thru this, I will do half today and half tomorrow of question #4
1 Tim 2:11-3:13,
Tit 1:5-9
Question 4
What is the first word of verse 11?
Think about women’s social status and value in Paul and Timothy’s culture, and in many cultures since that time, even today. Why does the Holy Spirit instruct pastors to “let” women learn?
What does this teach us about the responsibility God places on us as women to learn His Word?
Would you categorize verse 11 as a “do this” or “don’t do this” verse?
Answer:
The 1st word is 'Let"
I am thinking....maybe because they are equal in God's sight, and He wants them to know about Him ( what pleases Him, how to live in this world, how to have a relationship with Him, love Him, worship Him etc etc. and how to do things orderly and decently in life)....
therefore woman have a most major responsibility to learn God's Word.
I think it is a 'do this' verse.
Examine verse 12. Is this mainly a “do this” or “don’t do this” verse?
What two things does the Holy Spirit say women are not to do in the gathering of the church body?
What does He say women are to do?
Think about God’s nature and character. Does He ever give instructions arbitrarily or just to spoil our fun?
Why does God give us commands and instructions, generally speaking?
Are the instructions in verse 12 good for women and for the church?
Answer:
Mainly a 'don't do this'
not to teach or to exercise authority over a man
learn quietly with all submissiveness
God never ever give instructions arbitrarily or just to spoil our fun
Rather He gives them out of love, so we might have ( as much as is possible, in a sin fallen world) a peaceful, protected, loved etc. life.
So the instructions in v. 12 are good for both women and the church.
Does God have to give us the reasons behind His instructions, or is “because I said so” sufficient reason for us to obey Him?
Take a look at 13-14. God kindly gives not one, but two reasons for His instructions in verses 11-12. What are those two reasons?
How do they fall in line with God’s design for male headship and leadership across biblical history in the hierarchical structures He has set up?
Answer:
I would think God would not 'have' to tell us the reasons behind any of His instructions. He IS GOD and if He says so, it is sufficient reason to obey Him....however, He does often give us the reasons ( but certainly not always).
Adam was formed first
and
the woman ( Eve) was deceived and became a transgressor
These are in line with God's design for male headship and leadership.
I am thinking there is an aspect where woman often go with their 'feelings' first ( and reason second)
and men use reason more often ( and feelisgs second).
There is nothing wrong with either way...having tender feeling with children etc. can be a plus,
but
it can also lead to trusting a stranger when a more thought out evaluation of danger is needed.
And that is not to say woman cannot reason, nor that men do not have tender trusting 'feelings'....
but...
right from the beginning, it was the woman who trusted satan....( and maybe trusted her feelings about what he was saying)?
which may be why the devil choose to tempt her and did not spin his lies ( mostly, with a small grain of a type of truth mixed in to make it 'seem' believable) with Adam.
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Feb 3, 2019 11:02:24 GMT -5
Verse 15 can be a little cryptic to us today because we equate the word “saved” with salvation. Does verse 15 mean that women gain salvation by having children?
How do we know it doesn’t?
The NASB helpfully, and more accurately, renders this word as “preserved“. We don’t feel it much today, but think about the stigma women (particularly Jewish women) carried at the time this was written simply because they were daughters of Eve. Paradise was lost and the curse of sin entered the world because of a woman, many men thought, and they viewed and treated women accordingly. Yet who was chosen to bring the Messiah into the world?
And following in her footsteps, a major way godly women can “save” or “preserve” the reputation, esteem, and value of womankind is to “continue in” what 3 godly character traits?
Because if they continue in those three godly character traits, they will be raising up a godly seed to the Lord (even if the children they bear aren’t perfect like Mary’s child was :0]
Answer:
The word 'saved' in v.16 does not mean, salvation, because both men and woman are saved by faith ( alone) in Jesus.
Mary, a woman, was chosen to bring the Messiah into the world .
3 godly character traits godly women can “save” or “preserve” the reputation, esteem, and value of womankind is:
continue in faith,
love and holiness,
self-control.
So we’ve seen the position women are to occupy in the church, followed by the positions women aren’t to occupy, and that’s followed, in the 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 passages by the p_____s m__ are to o____.
According to the 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 passages, which positions are men to occupy in the church?
What is an overseer? (Use your cross-references if necessary.) Go through these two passages circling any words or phrases that indicate that pastors, elders, and deacons are to be men.
Are these positions open to all men in the church?
Answer:
Men are to occupy the position in the church of
Overseers
Deacons
Elders
I think the overseer is the equivalent of a 'pastor'
However, these positions are not open to all men in the church, there are lists of qualifications.
Examine each of the three sections (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 3:8-13, and Titus 1:5-9) individually. How could the wife of a pastor, elder, or deacon help him, or make things easier for him, to meet the biblical requirements for his office? (Ex: How could a pastor’s wife make it easier for him to be hospitable?)
Answer:
I am thinking that first off she can pray for him
Keep the home as peaceful and orderly, as possible ( maybe not always possible, for I imagine many extra 'crisis' situations happen that the pastor may have people staying at their home etc etc).
be supportive and encouraging when he may be under a lot of pressure
If she has a talent for writing, she might help with editing his sermons if he would welcome her input
|
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Feb 4, 2019 11:33:26 GMT -5
Since today is our once a month shopping day, and I do not want to rush thru this, I will do half today and half tomorrow of question #4
1 Tim 2:11-3:13,
Tit 1:5-9
Question 4
What is the first word of verse 11?
Think about women’s social status and value in Paul and Timothy’s culture, and in many cultures since that time, even today. Why does the Holy Spirit instruct pastors to “let” women learn?
What does this teach us about the responsibility God places on us as women to learn His Word?
Would you categorize verse 11 as a “do this” or “don’t do this” verse?
Answer:
The 1st word is 'Let"
I am thinking....maybe because they are equal in God's sight, and He wants them to know about Him ( what pleases Him, how to live in this world, how to have a relationship with Him, love Him, worship Him etc etc. and how to do things orderly and decently in life)....
therefore woman have a most major responsibility to learn God's Word.
I think it is a 'do this' verse.
Examine verse 12. Is this mainly a “do this” or “don’t do this” verse?
What two things does the Holy Spirit say women are not to do in the gathering of the church body?
What does He say women are to do?
Think about God’s nature and character. Does He ever give instructions arbitrarily or just to spoil our fun?
Why does God give us commands and instructions, generally speaking?
Are the instructions in verse 12 good for women and for the church?
Answer:
Mainly a 'don't do this'
not to teach or to exercise authority over a man
learn quietly with all submissiveness
God never ever give instructions arbitrarily or just to spoil our fun
Rather He gives them out of love, so we might have ( as much as is possible, in a sin fallen world) a peaceful, protected, loved etc. life.
So the instructions in v. 12 are good for both women and the church.
Does God have to give us the reasons behind His instructions, or is “because I said so” sufficient reason for us to obey Him?
Take a look at 13-14. God kindly gives not one, but two reasons for His instructions in verses 11-12. What are those two reasons?
How do they fall in line with God’s design for male headship and leadership across biblical history in the hierarchical structures He has set up?
Answer:
I would think God would not 'have' to tell us the reasons behind any of His instructions. He IS GOD and if He says so, it is sufficient reason to obey Him....however, He does often give us the reasons ( but certainly not always).
Adam was formed first
and
the woman ( Eve) was deceived and became a transgressor
These are in line with God's design for male headship and leadership.
I am thinking there is an aspect where woman often go with their 'feelings' first ( and reason second)
and men use reason more often ( and feelisgs second).
There is nothing wrong with either way...having tender feeling with children etc. can be a plus,
but
it can also lead to trusting a stranger when a more thought out evaluation of danger is needed.
And that is not to say woman cannot reason, nor that men do not have tender trusting 'feelings'....
but...
right from the beginning, it was the woman who trusted satan....( and maybe trusted her feelings about what he was saying)?
which may be why the devil choose to tempt her and did not spin his lies ( mostly, with a small grain of a type of truth mixed in to make it 'seem' believable) with Adam.
Verse 15 can be a little cryptic to us today because we equate the word “saved” with salvation. Does verse 15 mean that women gain salvation by having children?
How do we know it doesn’t?
The NASB helpfully, and more accurately, renders this word as “preserved“. We don’t feel it much today, but think about the stigma women (particularly Jewish women) carried at the time this was written simply because they were daughters of Eve. Paradise was lost and the curse of sin entered the world because of a woman, many men thought, and they viewed and treated women accordingly. Yet who was chosen to bring the Messiah into the world?
And following in her footsteps, a major way godly women can “save” or “preserve” the reputation, esteem, and value of womankind is to “continue in” what 3 godly character traits?
Because if they continue in those three godly character traits, they will be raising up a godly seed to the Lord (even if the children they bear aren’t perfect like Mary’s child was :0]
Answer:
The word 'saved' in v.16 does not mean, salvation, because both men and woman are saved by faith ( alone) in Jesus.
Mary, a woman, was chosen to bring the Messiah into the world .
3 godly character traits godly women can “save” or “preserve” the reputation, esteem, and value of womankind is:
continue in faith,
love and holiness,
self-control.
So we’ve seen the position women are to occupy in the church, followed by the positions women aren’t to occupy, and that’s followed, in the 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 passages by the p_____s m__ are to o____.
According to the 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 passages, which positions are men to occupy in the church?
What is an overseer? (Use your cross-references if necessary.) Go through these two passages circling any words or phrases that indicate that pastors, elders, and deacons are to be men.
Are these positions open to all men in the church?
Answer:
Men are to occupy the position in the church of
Overseers
Deacons
Elders
I think the overseer is the equivalent of a 'pastor'
However, these positions are not open to all men in the church, there are lists of qualifications.
Examine each of the three sections (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 3:8-13, and Titus 1:5-9) individually. How could the wife of a pastor, elder, or deacon help him, or make things easier for him, to meet the biblical requirements for his office? (Ex: How could a pastor’s wife make it easier for him to be hospitable?)
Answer:
I am thinking that first off she can pray for him
Keep the home as peaceful and orderly, as possible ( maybe not always possible, for I imagine many extra 'crisis' situations happen that the pastor may have people staying at their home etc etc).
be supportive and encouraging when he may be under a lot of pressure
If she has a talent for writing, she might help with editing his sermons if he would welcome her input
yes, this is what MacArthur says about this passage and the term elders: elders. Cf. similar qualifications in 1Ti 3:1–7. Mature spiritual leaders of the church, also known as bishops or overseers (v. 7; cf. 1Ti 3:2) and pastors (lit. shepherds; see Eph 4:11), were to care for each city’s congregation.
Yep, and you mentioned in another one that she could be a good hostess and show hospitality to all the people that come to him for help.
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Feb 4, 2019 12:58:34 GMT -5
Adam was formed first
and
the woman ( Eve) was deceived and became a transgressor
At the very beginning ( before Eve sinned) God made Adam first, and Eve as his 'helper'. It therefore was God's intent right from the beginning to have male headship.
It was the first time the leadership role was reversed and the results was catastrophic.
God did not call woman to be priests, prophets etc.
This was not because the did not have the intellect or ability to teach etc.
But you can't have success when 2 people are always pulling in opposite directions....
one has to be the 'leader'....
and since God made Adam first ( and Eve as a helper) throughout the Bible men were the Leaders.
I don't think I am getting it right even now....another one of 'those' sniff sniff
However, this is my 2nd night with little sleep....2 nights with about an hour or a wee bit more 1 1/2.
I haven't had the problem I used to of being sooooo sleepy,I would continue to nod off while trying to write....but that IS what is happening today.
Has it ever happened to you....you are tying but so tired, you don't even realize you have fallen asleep, until something wakes you back up and the screen has written on it.....on letter like
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
LOL
So I am having a hard time trying to think thru this question....I sometimes have a hard time with her questions when I am totally awake....never mind nodding off LOL
|
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Feb 5, 2019 11:13:58 GMT -5
Adam was formed first
and
the woman ( Eve) was deceived and became a transgressor
At the very beginning ( before Eve sinned) God made Adam first, and Eve as his 'helper'. It therefore was God's intent right from the beginning to have male headship.
It was the first time the leadership role was reversed and the results was catastrophic.
God did not call woman to be priests, prophets etc.
This was not because the did not have the intellect or ability to teach etc.
But you can't have success when 2 people are always pulling in opposite directions....
one has to be the 'leader'....
and since God made Adam first ( and Eve as a helper) throughout the Bible men were the Leaders.
I don't think I am getting it right even now....another one of 'those' sniff sniff
However, this is my 2nd night with little sleep....2 nights with about an hour or a wee bit more 1 1/2.
I haven't had the problem I used to of being sooooo sleepy,I would continue to nod off while trying to write....but that IS what is happening today.
Has it ever happened to you....you are tying but so tired, you don't even realize you have fallen asleep, until something wakes you back up and the screen has written on it.....on letter like
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
LOL
So I am having a hard time trying to think thru this question....I sometimes have a hard time with her questions when I am totally awake....never mind nodding off LOL
and the woman ( Eve) was deceived and became a transgressor, fall in line with God’s design for male headship and leadership across biblical history in the hierarchical structures He has set up? And you're heading down the right track for sure! You were doing very well. So you obviously understand why women are not meant to "lead" but are to be helpers to their husbands. The hierarchical structures that the Lord set up are marriage, the family, government, the OT Priesthood, and the church. These all also point to what our relationship with Him looks like. While we are all equal in His sight, and it doesn't matter whether we're rich, poor, a slave, free, Irish, American, Jewish, or whatever, it does matter how we relate to one another and to these various institutions. Each has a chain of command, just as the military does. (which God also uses to describe the way we're to behave). Men are to lead. That doesn't make them better, it's just what their job is. Women are to help. Women do lead in some areas, such as in raising children - and there is no area that's more important then that - not even being president or a king is more important then that! So I don't know why women whine about their ordained role! I guess we'll whine about anything though. As far as Biblical history goes, we see the same thing there. God called men to Him to lead the Jew's. The only times he didn't, (during some of the time of the period of Judges) He used women, but that was to be a slap in the face to the men of that time. For the most part, women helped the men. It started with Adam being given the job to subdue the earth and care for it and then Eve came along specifically to help him. So we're to be helpers to our husbands.
As I said, you seemed to be going right along those lines yourself and I think if you'd been more awake you'd have finished it just fine. I would like to correct one statement you made however and again, if you'd been awake, I think you would have thought of it too. But God did call women to be prophets sometimes, both in the OT and in the NT.
There was Miriam “Then Miriam the prophetess, Aaron’s sister, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women followed her, with tambourines and dancing.” (Exodus 15:20)
Deborah was a prophetess who was also a judge “Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time.” (Judges 4:4)
Huldah “Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Acbor, Shaphan and Asaiah went to speak to the prophetess Huldah, who was the wife of Shallum son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe. She lived in Jerusalem, in the Second District.” (2 Kings 22:14)
An unnamed women (some say Isaiah's wife, Noadiah) “Then I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. And the LORD said to me, “Name him Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz.” (Isaiah 8:3)
I have Jewish commentary on part of the OT and it says: Rabbinic tradition adds another 3—Hannah 1 Sam 1:2, Abigail who David married 1 Sam 25:39-42, and Esther, Esther 2:7—for a total of 7 prophetesses active in Israel in biblical times.
In the NT: Anna “There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage,” (Luke 2:36)
the 4 daughters of Philip “He had four unmarried daughters who prophesied.” (Acts 21:9)
Joel foretold that both sons and daughters would prophesy after God poured His Spirit out on all flesh ““And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.” (Joel 2:28)
—a promise that was cited by Peter at the time of Pentecost (Acts 2:17-18). That won't be completely fulfilled until the time of tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom.
Paul encouraged women to exercise the gift of prophecy “And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved.” (1 Corinthians 11:5)
Speaking of women, I love this old story:
An old Jewish story demonstrates how important the woman was in Israel. The story says that a pious man once married a pious woman. They were childless, so they eventually agreed to divorce one another. The husband then married a wicked woman & she made him wicked. The pious woman married a wicked man & made him righteous. The moral of the story is that the woman set the tone for the home. The Israelite mother held an important place in the life of the family. To a large degree, she could be the key to a successful family or the cause of its failure. She could have incalculable influence on her husband and her children. Israel’s history & culture owes a great deal to these hard-working women. Nelson's illustrated manners and customs of the Bible.
About your question regarding falling asleep, yes I used to do that constantly back before I began sleeping sitting up a few years ago. It still happens once in a while, but not often anymore as I now usually get plenty of sleep at night. I do hope you're able to sleep well tonight. I'll pray that you will.
By the way, you've never answered my question about what you said about the book, The Joy Project. I'll quote what I said about it here for you so you don't have to search for it:
Do you mean you want to post the quotes on facebook? Sure, go ahead! Or did you want me to do it? If so, I'll be glad to, just let me know which way you meant lol. In fact, I think I did post a quote from the book a few days ago, but it wasn't one of these, at least I don't think it was. I also posted how to get a free copy of the book... but maybe that was on goodreads.....can't remember now. In that post I noted that when I first saw the book, I went to check it out on Amazon and discovered it was available now by a slightly new name. The one I have is called: The Joy Project: A True Story of Inescapable Happiness. The new name for the same book is now called: The Joy Project: An Introduction to Calvinism. With the new name I almost didn't read it as the name was a turn off to me. I don't consider myself a Calvinist or anything else for that matter. I simply believe what the Bible says. But I'm so glad I did read it! It was totally scriptural and very uplifting and encouraging.
Download this book in three digital formats, free of charge, at www.desiringgod.org/books/the-joy-project
[/quote] |
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Feb 5, 2019 12:31:26 GMT -5
I did sleep last night, but am still falling asleep?
I too have been sleeping in a recliner and have not had this problem for a long time.
Since you did not post the next in this series, I will 'try' and stay awake and go back to Acts.
I have never tried to download something to this computer. I heard somewhere, that you cannot download to a chromebook.
Which if true is both good and bad....
Bad because you cannot download anything LOL
But good because, in general, no can hack in or attack it with a virus.....I have never had any 'virus protector' on the 2 chromebooks I've had.
Before the chromes, I had a regular computer and had Mcafee , Avast, and others etc. for protection.
A person can hack a site and that would affect this computer...but only at said site....If it was heavy duty, I just turn it off and back on....since it never downloaded to my computer, and I am back in business.
I suppose I could try to download it....???
I was hoping it could go directly to my kindle.
It sounds like a great book!!!
Just what I need, a book on 'joy' :-)
|
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Feb 6, 2019 11:02:04 GMT -5
I did sleep last night, but am still falling asleep?
I too have been sleeping in a recliner and have not had this problem for a long time.
Since you did not post the next in this series, I will 'try' and stay awake and go back to Acts.
I have never tried to download something to this computer. I heard somewhere, that you cannot download to a chromebook.
Which if true is both good and bad....
Bad because you cannot download anything LOL
But good because, in general, no can hack in or attack it with a virus.....I have never had any 'virus protector' on the 2 chromebooks I've had.
Before the chromes, I had a regular computer and had Mcafee , Avast, and others etc. for protection.
A person can hack a site and that would affect this computer...but only at said site....If it was heavy duty, I just turn it off and back on....since it never downloaded to my computer, and I am back in business.
I suppose I could try to download it....???
I was hoping it could go directly to my kindle.
It sounds like a great book!!!
Just what I need, a book on 'joy' :-) |
|
|
|
Post by Cindy on Feb 7, 2019 10:37:36 GMT -5
I did sleep last night, but am still falling asleep?
I too have been sleeping in a recliner and have not had this problem for a long time.
Since you did not post the next in this series, I will 'try' and stay awake and go back to Acts.
I have never tried to download something to this computer. I heard somewhere, that you cannot download to a chromebook.
Which if true is both good and bad....
Bad because you cannot download anything LOL
But good because, in general, no can hack in or attack it with a virus.....I have never had any 'virus protector' on the 2 chromebooks I've had.
Before the chromes, I had a regular computer and had Mcafee , Avast, and others etc. for protection.
A person can hack a site and that would affect this computer...but only at said site....If it was heavy duty, I just turn it off and back on....since it never downloaded to my computer, and I am back in business.
I suppose I could try to download it....???
I was hoping it could go directly to my kindle.
It sounds like a great book!!!
Just what I need, a book on 'joy' :-)
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 15- A Beautiful Portrayal of Biblical Womanhood in the Church by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
1 Corinthians 11:1-16,
1 Timothy 2:8-10,
1 Peter 3:3-6,
1 Timothy 5:1-16,
Luke 8:1-3,
Acts 9:36-42,
Acts 16:11-15,
Acts 18:18-19,
Romans 16:3,
1 Corinthians 16:19
In lesson 14 we looked at the beauty of women’s position in the church. Today, we’ll examine how our character can beautifully portray biblical womanhood in the church.
Questions to Consider
1. Briefly review lesson 14 (link above). What did you learn about the position women occupy in the church? As you study today’s lesson think about some of the ways you can portray biblical womanhood to others from that position.
2. Carefully examine the 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 passage. (As you study this passage, it may help to keep in mind that, unless widowed, virtually every adult woman in the church would have been married. That was the cultural norm. So Paul is able to use the terms “women” and “wives” nearly interchangeably. Click on the “Read These Selected Scriptures” link above and read the footnote (c) for verse 5.)
Compare the format of this introduction (2-3) to the format of the introduction of the letters to three of the seven churches in Revelation. Describe this format noting how the word “but” acts as a pivot point for all four passages. For what does Paul commend the Corinthian church? (2) “But” in what area of church life does Paul imply the Corinthians are not “getting it”? (3) Explain what verse 3 means as it applies to the day-to-day functioning of the church both in Corinth and today. What is the authority “flow chart” for the church?
Verse 3 serves as the main idea or theme of this passage. What is the main theological point God is trying to drive home to the church?
To what event in biblical history is Paul referring in 7b-9? Compare these verses with 1 Timothy 2:12-14. Explain how the creative order (man created first, woman second / man as head, woman as helper) is the cornerstone of the authority structure (3) in the family and the church.
In 4-5 and 14-15, Paul uses two separate examples from Corinthian culture that demonstrate the differences between men and women in order to illustrate the concept of the hierarchy of authority in the church. What are those two examples? Is God commanding that Christian women today must have long hair and must cover their heads when praying? Is God commanding that Christian men today must have short hair and must never cover their heads while praying?
In Corinthian culture, one of the ways women could portray biblical womanhood in the church was to signify by wearing their veils that they embraced submitting to their husbands and to the authority structure of the church. Can you think of any similar ways women can portray biblical womanhood today?
3. Examine the 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Peter 3 passages. What is the venue or setting for the instructions in each? (You may need to look at more of each chapter.) Locate the word “but” in each of these passages (2:10, 3:4), noting the concept that comes before the word “but” and after it. Describe how women are not to adorn themselves. “But” describe how women are to adorn themselves. Are things like braids, jewelry, and clothes intrinsically sinful, or is Paul again giving cultural examples to illustrate a theological point he’s making? What is that point? What is it about the bent of women’s hearts that would cause God to give this instruction to women in the context of the home and the church, but not to give this instruction to men at all? As godly women, where is our focus to be? How does it benefit the church for us to “wear”, or portray, biblical womanhood by adorning ourselves modestly and with good works?
What similar themes do you see in these two passages and the 1 Corinthians 11 passage? How do these three passages work together to demonstrate to us how we may live out biblical womanhood in the church?
4. Locate, in the 1 Timothy 2 (10), 1 Peter 3 (6), and 1 Timothy 5 (10) passages the phrases about doing good works. How are good works a major responsibility of women in the church, and a main way we display biblical womanhood?
Explain the context of the 1 Timothy 5 passage. The passage is talking about women who are _______. But a large part of this passage talks about how these women lived and served the church prior to becoming widows. Make a two column list. On one side, list the good works of all the women (widowed, married, young widows, any believing woman, etc.) mentioned in this passage. On the other side, list some specific ways you and other women in the church can carry out these good works today.
What are the “bad works” to be avoided in this passage? How can focusing on doing good works help us to avoid the bad works?
5. Study the remaining passages (Luke, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians) in today’s lesson. How did the women who followed Jesus, Dorcas, Lydia, and Priscilla (Prisca) each portray biblical womanhood in the church by their character and good works? To whom did they minister? How did the church benefit from each of them robustly living out God’s plan for women in the church?
Homework
If you’d like to read more about some of the passages from today’s lesson, you might enjoy the following articles:
Rock Your Role: A Head of the Times- Head Coverings for Christian Women?
The Mailbag: Potpourri (Calvinism, Baptism, Modesty…)
Rock Your Role: Oh No She Di-int! Priscilla Didn’t Preach, Deborah Didn’t Dominate, and Esther Wasn’t an Egalitarian
Suggested Memory Verse
Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God. 1 Corinthians 11:11-12
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
|
|
fearnot
Living With Pain
Posts: 8,399
|
Post by fearnot on Feb 7, 2019 18:09:53 GMT -5
I will try to get to this tomorrow 😊
Aha I just dis covered this virtual keyboard has some emojies /smilies 😋
|
|
you got things we are mixed in with things we do and the other way around LOL It's the difference between our identity and what we do. And those are things the world tends to mix up completely, which is why we often think our identity is in what we do - such as when I thought of my identity as being a mother or as a nurse. So let's look at your lists a little closer ok? 
!!
