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Post by Cindy on Mar 12, 2019 9:42:26 GMT -5
I kind of couldn't think because "Why does God instruct?"
Seemed to be the same answer as the answer to the next question
What is the point of all this godly character and behavior?
In other words the answer 'seemed' to be the same????
Answer: so that no one will malign the word of God
they have nothing bad to say about us
in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
When I wrote:
The 'Character' 'be'
The(N) the action 'do'
There was suppose to be THEN
the action do.....
I had a typo and forgot the n.
As far as the other question goes though, can't you think of another reason why God instructs Titus and these groups to be and do these things? How about why are you studying the Bible and applying it to your life? The answer to both questions is the same.
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Post by Cindy on Mar 12, 2019 9:57:19 GMT -5
Posting these again to make it easier for you.Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 16- A Beautiful Proclamation in the Church by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
Titus 2:1-10,
2 Timothy 2:15,
2 Timothy 3:1-9,
1 Timothy 2:15,
2 Timothy 1:1-5,
2 Timothy 3:14-15
In our last lesson, we examined how we can beautifully portray biblical womanhood in the church. Today, we’ll finish up our section on biblical womanhood in the church by looking at how godly women can beautifully proclaim the Word of God in the Body of Christ.
Questions to Consider
1. Briefly review lessons 14-15 (links above), noting the instructions God has given to and about women regarding our role in the church. What are the do’s and don’ts God has laid out for us, especially in 1 Timothy 2:12, regarding teaching and authority in the gathered Body of Believers (the church)?
2. Examine the first two passages (Titus 2:1-10 and 2 Timothy 2:15) of Scripture. Recalling that these books are pastoral epistles, to whom are these instructions primarily addressed? To which venue (home, marketplace, church, etc.) do these instructions primarily apply?
In the Titus 2:1-10 passage, the Holy Spirit gives instructions for which individuals (Titus 2:1, Titus 2:7-8)/groups (Titus 2:2, Titus 2:3, Titus 2:4-5, Titus 2:6, Titus 2:9-10)?
Examine the instructions for Titus and for each group. Are they instructed to be something (character), or do something (actions), or both?
Why does God instruct Titus and these groups to be and do these things?
What is the point of all this godly character and behavior? (“so that”: Titus 2:5b, Titus 2:8b, Titus 2:10b)
Who, in the Titus 2:1-10 passage, is instructed to “teach”? (Titus 2:1, & Titus 2:7, Titus 2:3-4)
Why do you think God singles out only the pastor and older women with the instruction to teach and train?
Who is the pastor to teach?
Who are older women to teach and train? (Titus 2:4)
Using the context of these verses, what age or station in life would you infer this passage means by “older
Using the context of these verses, what age or station in life would you infer this passage means by“Young” women?
If it is the responsibility of older women to teach and train young women, what is the responsibility of the young women?
Examine Titus 2:3 carefully. Is this a “do” verse or a “be” verse, or both?
Which instruction comes first, “be” (character) or “do” (action)?
Would it be biblically accurate to say that older women without the godly character described in the first part of Titus 2:3 should not be doing the action (teaching) in the last part of Titus 2:3 – that godly character is a prerequisite for teaching younger women?
Examine Titus 2:3b-4a: “They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women…”. Does this sound like a command, or is it optional/a suggestion?
If it is a command, doesn’t that make the character instructions in Titus 2:3a a command as well?
Take a moment to prayerfully evaluate yourself. How are you doing on the “be” and “do” of Titus 2:3-4? (saying "I don't know" won't work lol. There's nothing wrong or sinful about speaking the truth that you are doing or being a certain way, because we both know it's with God's help.)
As you continue to examine Titus 2:3b-4a- is there a difference between “teaching” and “training“?
Could it be biblically accurate to say that teaching is to impart knowledge, and training is to show someone how to apply that knowledge to real life situations? (For example, teaching someone the rules and regulations of basketball in a classroom-type setting, versus putting that person on a basketball court and training her to apply those rules with basketball in hand.)
Which comes first in Titus 2:3b-4a, teaching or training?
What does Titus 2:3b say older women are to teach?
What do Titus 2:4a-5a say older women are to train younger women to be and do?
Is it possible to train Christian women “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands,” without first teaching them “what is good” – what the Bible says about how to do these things and why they should do them?
Is it wise to attempt to train Christian women in these things without basing them in Scripture?
Even though 2 Timothy 2:15 is primarily addressed to pastors, does it still apply to others who teach God’s Word?
How should 2 Timothy 2:15 inform your teaching and training of younger women?
Whose approval should you be seeking when handling God’s Word?
What does 2 Timothy 2:15 mean when it says “Do your best” so you will have “no need to be ashamed”?
What does it mean to “rightly handle the Word of Truth”?
3. Carefully read the 2 Timothy 3:1-9 passage. How does the Holy Spirit describe people’s attitudes and actions during the last days? (2 Timothy 3:2-5)
Considering what He says these people will do in 2 Timothy 3:5-6a, are the people He’s describing in 2 Timothy 3:2-5 Christians or non-Christians?
Church-goers or non-church-goers?
What does it mean to have the appearance of godliness, but deny its power? (2 Timothy 3:5a)
How does 2 Timothy 3:8-9 describe these same people from 2 Timothy 3:5a?
What term might we use for people like this today?
How are we to regard such people? (2 Timothy 3:5b)
Why are we to “avoid such people” (2 Timothy 3:5b),
and who are “them” (2 Timothy 3:6a)?
Why does 2 Timothy 3:6 specify “weak women” instead of saying “men” or “people”?
How does 2 Timothy 3:6-7 describe these at-risk women?
If the (2 Timothy 3:1-9) weak woman, unable to arrive at a knowledge of the truth and captured by false teachers who oppose the truth, is one of the (Titus 2:1-10) young women in the church, is she going to have a truthful, biblical understanding of how and why “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands”?
How can the (Titus 2) older woman “rightly handle the Word of Truth” and “teach what is good” to this younger woman?
What sorts of good things from Scripture would this older woman need to teach the younger woman?
Have you ever seen a scenario like this in your church?
How would you apply the Scriptures we’re looking at to that scenario?
4. Look at the final three passages (1 Timothy 2:15, 2 Timothy 1:1-5 & 2 Timothy 3:14-15). Besides women, what is another part of the church whom women are uniquely gifted to teach? (You may wish to go back to lesson 14 and re-read the paragraph near the end of the lesson which begins with, “Verse 15 can be a little cryptic…”. ).
Who were Lois and Eunice? (2 Timothy 1:5)
To which child did they teach the Scriptures? (2 Timothy 1:2, 2 Timothy 3:15)
What did he go on to do as an adult?
Who are some other men from Scripture who had mothers who trained them in godliness?
Describe the impact Christian women can have on the church by training children in godliness and the Word.
5. Considering all of today’s passages, which two groups of people in the church has God blessed women to proclaim the Word to?
If women were not teaching other women and children in the church, would the church be healthy?
Homework
Egalitarians often cite the women listed in Romans 16 and Priscilla and Aquila’s conversation with Apollos as evidence that God is OK with women preaching or instructing men in the church.
How would you answer this argument?
Examine both passages. Does Romans 16 say any of the women listed taught or preached?
Was Priscilla’s and Aquila’s private conversation with Apollos the same as Priscilla teaching or preaching to the gathered Body of Believers?
Would Paul have commended any of these women in Romans 16 if they had disobeyed his instructions in 1 Timothy 2:12?
Suggested Memory Verse
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/ Having looked at the last study, you might want to take a weekend and go over everything we've studied so far in this just to refresh your memory before you do the last lesson (lesson 17).
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 17- The Most Beautiful Girl in the World…er…Bible- Finale by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
Proverbs 31:10-31
It’s been a beautiful 17 weeks studying biblical womanhood with you! Today, we’re bringing things to a close as we reflect on all we’ve learned. Links to all previous lessons are located above.
Questions to Consider
1. We started this study by looking at the Proverbs 31 woman (lessons 2-3), often considered the icon of biblical womanhood. In subsequent lessons, we tried to answer the question, “If the Proverbs 31 woman really is the ideal to attain to, how do we get there from here?”. And we’re finishing up today by looking back again at the Proverbs 31 woman. Is she really the quintessential picture of biblical womanhood?
How do all the other Scriptures we’ve studied flesh out the ideal described in Proverbs 31?
2. What does Proverbs 31:10 mean?
Consider Proverbs 31:10 in light of lessons 4-6. How does the fact that you were uniquely created by God (4), that your identity is found in Christ (5), and that you are a vital member of the Body of Christ (6), provide a foundation to build on for becoming the rare, excellent, godly woman?
3. Examine Proverbs 31:11-12 in light of lesson 11. What are some of the ways you can be obedient to Scripture that will enable you to do your husband good and not harm, benefit him, and enable his heart to trust in you?
4. Consider Proverbs 31:17 in light of lessons 7-9. How do knowing and loving God’s Word (7), obeying God’s Word (8), and sharing the gospel (9), dress you with strength and make your arms strong?
5. What is the general motif of Proverbs 31:17, Proverbs 31:22, Proverbs 31:25? Compare these verses to the concept of “adorning” we studied in lesson 15. With what “clothing” should a godly woman “dress” or adorn herself?
6. Examine Proverbs 31:26 in light of lessons 13-16. How can we open our mouths with wisdom and teach kindly through our position in the church (14), our portrayal of biblical womanhood in the church (15), and our proclamation of God’s Word (16) in the church?
What are the unique opportunities single women (13) have to teach and model wisdom and kindness in the church?
7. Examine Proverbs 31:27-28 in light of lessons 10-13. How can we diligently look well to the ways of our households and families as daughters (10), wives (11), mothers (12), and single women (13)?
8. (these are the most important questions of the whole study! So please, take your time and give a thorough answer to these questions!)
In what specific areas has God grown you in biblical womanhood during the course of this study?
What would you say was your most important takeaway from this study?
Homework
Go back over the questions in the “Expectations and Presuppositions” section of lesson 1. Have any of your answers changed? How or why? Did you get out of this study what you were hoping to get out of this study (#6)? Explain.
Suggested Memory Verse
Give her of the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the gates. Proverbs 31:31
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
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Post by fearnot on Mar 12, 2019 11:51:08 GMT -5
Take a moment to prayerfully evaluate yourself. How are you doing on the “be” and “do” of Titus 2:3-4? (saying "I don't know" won't work lol. There's nothing wrong or sinful about speaking the truth that you are doing or being a certain way, because we both know it's with God's help.)
Answer:
reverent in the way they live:
If this means putting the Lord first in my life and being obedient to God's word, tho I can's say I don't know, it really is hard to judge. it certainly is a work in progress, and some days are better than others. Still, I feel I have a Loooooooooong way to go, to even feel 1/2 way okay.
I am certainly a lot better than I used to live. So I definately need God's help and continued progress.
not to be slanderers :
Not so good...slander and gossip still are an issue, I am now waaaay more aware of it, and because I know how much it hurts the Lord, the person, and even ultimately me, I have done some 'taming the tongue in this area, and need to continue ( to speak little and hear much and think before I speak).
or addicted to much wine:
Really well in this
but to teach what is good:
some progress in this, but as always, improvement is needed
urge the younger women to love their husbands and children:
This is a little tricky, because, daughter is living with he fiancee so not really a 'husband'
and she does love her children a whole lot. The issue is maybe tooooo much, so she is spending her life for them, and they are a wee bit spoiled ( and she knows that).
As you continue to examine Titus 2:3b-4a- is there a difference between “teaching” and “training“?
Answer:
yes
Could it be biblically accurate to say that teaching is to impart knowledge, and training is to show someone how to apply that knowledge to real life situations? (For example, teaching someone the rules and regulations of basketball in a classroom-type setting, versus putting that person on a basketball court and training her to apply those rules with basketball in hand.)
Which comes first in Titus 2:3b-4a, teaching or training?
Answer:Yes to the first question in this section and teaching comes first.
What does Titus 2:3b say older women are to teach?
Answer:
teach what is good
What do Titus 2:4a-5a say older women are to train younger women to be and do?
Answer:
Is it possible to train Christian women “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands,” without first teaching them “what is good” – what the Bible says about how to do these things and why they should do them?
Answer:
to love their husbands and children
Is it wise to attempt to train Christian women in these things without basing them in Scripture?
Answer:
Absolutely NOT!!
Even though 2 Timothy 2:15 is primarily addressed to pastors, does it still apply to others who teach God’s Word?
Answer:
Yes
How should 2 Timothy 2:15 inform your teaching and training of younger women?
Answer:
Behave in a godly manner
Correctly handle God's Word.
Whose approval should you be seeking when handling God’s Word?
Answer:
God
What does 2 Timothy 2:15 mean when it says “Do your best” so you will have “no need to be ashamed”?
Answer:
If you don't do your 'best', and are slack in Reading, studying, memorizing, etc. God's word, is is likely, to end up being ashamed ( for lack of knowing what God says etc.)
What does it mean to “rightly handle the Word of Truth”?
Answer:
it's almost easier to say what is is Not....
for example:
some people will take scripture out of content in order to push some sort of less than godly agenda ( so we should never do that).
Or they simple do not read ( nor study) a verse in it whole context...so we should read the whole passage or more and not just take one verse and camp on that ( unless we are memorizing and we need to do it one verse at a time).
Also we are not to have our own 'private' interpretation but let God's Word speak it's truth.
We are not to use it like some kind of horoscope, or oracle of Delphi etc.
Plus, in order to get the whole council of what God says on any given subject,
we need to read as many different scriptures God's word has on that subject.
To treat it with reverence because it is the Word of God.
praying before reading and allowing God the Holy Spirit lead us in understanding it and apply it to our lives.
We need to remember the Word is a sword and can cut (sin out, and transform lives)
it is not for amusement.
We cannot handle it rightly, if we do not handle it at all, we must read and study it daily.
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Post by Cindy on Mar 13, 2019 11:24:33 GMT -5
Take a moment to prayerfully evaluate yourself. How are you doing on the “be” and “do” of Titus 2:3-4? (saying "I don't know" won't work lol. There's nothing wrong or sinful about speaking the truth that you are doing or being a certain way, because we both know it's with God's help.)
Answer:
reverent in the way they live:
If this means putting the Lord first in my life and being obedient to God's word, tho I can's say I don't know, it really is hard to judge. it certainly is a work in progress, and some days are better than others. Still, I feel I have a Loooooooooong way to go, to even feel 1/2 way okay.
I am certainly a lot better than I used to live. So I definately need God's help and continued progress.
not to be slanderers :
Not so good...slander and gossip still are an issue, I am now waaaay more aware of it, and because I know how much it hurts the Lord, the person, and even ultimately me, I have done some 'taming the tongue in this area, and need to continue ( to speak little and hear much and think before I speak).
or addicted to much wine:
Really well in this
but to teach what is good:
some progress in this, but as always, improvement is needed
urge the younger women to love their husbands and children:
This is a little tricky, because, daughter is living with he fiancee so not really a 'husband'
and she does love her children a whole lot. The issue is maybe tooooo much, so she is spending her life for them, and they are a wee bit spoiled ( and she knows that).
As you continue to examine Titus 2:3b-4a- is there a difference between “teaching” and “training“?
Answer:
yes
Could it be biblically accurate to say that teaching is to impart knowledge, and training is to show someone how to apply that knowledge to real life situations? (For example, teaching someone the rules and regulations of basketball in a classroom-type setting, versus putting that person on a basketball court and training her to apply those rules with basketball in hand.)
Which comes first in Titus 2:3b-4a, teaching or training?
Answer:Yes to the first question in this section and teaching comes first.
What does Titus 2:3b say older women are to teach?
Answer:
teach what is good
What do Titus 2:4a-5a say older women are to train younger women to be and do?
Answer:
Is it possible to train Christian women “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands,” without first teaching them “what is good” – what the Bible says about how to do these things and why they should do them?
Answer:
to love their husbands and children
Is it wise to attempt to train Christian women in these things without basing them in Scripture?
Answer:
Absolutely NOT!!
Even though 2 Timothy 2:15 is primarily addressed to pastors, does it still apply to others who teach God’s Word?
Answer:
Yes
How should 2 Timothy 2:15 inform your teaching and training of younger women?
Answer:
Behave in a godly manner
Correctly handle God's Word.
Whose approval should you be seeking when handling God’s Word?
Answer:
God
What does 2 Timothy 2:15 mean when it says “Do your best” so you will have “no need to be ashamed”?
Answer:
If you don't do your 'best', and are slack in Reading, studying, memorizing, etc. God's word, is is likely, to end up being ashamed ( for lack of knowing what God says etc.)
What does it mean to “rightly handle the Word of Truth”?
Answer:
it's almost easier to say what is is Not....
for example:
some people will take scripture out of content in order to push some sort of less than godly agenda ( so we should never do that).
Or they simple do not read ( nor study) a verse in it whole context...so we should read the whole passage or more and not just take one verse and camp on that ( unless we are memorizing and we need to do it one verse at a time).
Also we are not to have our own 'private' interpretation but let God's Word speak it's truth.
We are not to use it like some kind of horoscope, or oracle of Delphi etc.
Plus, in order to get the whole council of what God says on any given subject,
we need to read as many different scriptures God's word has on that subject.
To treat it with reverence because it is the Word of God.
praying before reading and allowing God the Holy Spirit lead us in understanding it and apply it to our lives.
We need to remember the Word is a sword and can cut (sin out, and transform lives)
it is not for amusement.
We cannot handle it rightly, if we do not handle it at all, we must read and study it daily.
LOL You know I'm going to harp on this one!
Ok, let's look at what reverent in the way they live means: It reflects a heart that rejects anything that's dishonorable to God, and grieves over sin. Godly women hate sin and control their passions so as not to lead another into sin. It means being committed to pursuing godliness which shows in their words, actions, and what they wear. So to see how you're doing; These are some questions you can ask yourself to see how you're doing. There are many others as well. I'm sure you can say that you do all these things to a certain extent, but could do better. That's what we can all say. But can you look at these things and say you're doing better in them now than you were a year or two ago?
Do you wear clothes that are immodest?
Do you curse or swear?
Do you study the Bible daily?
Do you speak about God on a regular basis- maybe something you've recently read, or something He's done in your life, or perhaps just saying "thank you Lord" or something like that when He blesses you? (in other words, do people hear you speak about God?)
When you realize that your thoughts are about negative things, things that may cause you to become depressed or sad, do you take your thoughts captive and replace them with His truth right away? When you realize that your thoughts about another person or about an event or circumstance in your life are wrong, do you take your thoughts captive and replace them with the truth from His Word? (like thinking your landlord raising your rent could cause you to lose your home, so you remember that God is in control, not your landlord; etc)
Do you spend more time in front of a mirror primping and making sure you look good then you do making sure your character is in line with God's Word?
Do you spend time just thinking about God and/or His Word?
Do you submit to your husband?
Do you put the needs and wants of others before yourself and your own needs and wants?
Do you allow ungodly behavior of others who are in your home or who are your responsibility?
Do you forgive others who've hurt you the way God forgives us? (with reconciliation being your goal where possible).
Are you patient with others?
Do you ask the forgiveness of others when you've sinned against them?
Do you allow anger to control you?
Have you allowed any bitterness in your heart?
Do you bless those who've hurt you? (do good for/to them, be helpful, kind, loving, etc)
Do you keep a mental or physical list of things someone has done that's hurt you?
Do you keep a mental or physical list of blessings you've been given by God? (in other words is it easy for you to remember the many good things God has done for you)
Do you keep a mental or physical list of the good things others have done for you? (in other words is it easy for you to remember the many good things other people have done for you)
Do you gossip? (tell stories about others to make them look bad and make you look good)?
Do you slander others? (same as above, only knowing that you're telling a lie)
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Concerning loving our children: I understand what you're saying about your daughter..at least I think I do. To often people today think love means giving people whatever they want, letting them do whatever they want. But that's not what God says. God says that when we allow someone to do something that He says is wrong, then we're actually hating that person. “He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.” (Proverbs 13:24) People can argue forever about what sparing the rod means, but God says quite clearly that when we don't discipline our child, we're hating them, not loving them. In other words, when we don't discipline them we're loving ourselves more then we love our child. Of course the same is true for adults in a sense. If a loved one is living as a homosexual and we don't tell them the truth, we're hating them, not loving them. When you love someone you want to see them spend eternity with God, and you want them to have God's best in this life too, and they can only have that when they're saved and living for Him instead of themselves. Of course the person will often disregard what we've said, and that's between them and God. We've done our part- at least partially. After we've told them, then our job is to pray for them. It can sure be hard though, and it's not always up to us to be the ones to tell someone. For instance, I know my oldest daughter has done some things that go against God. I did tell her when it started, but she continued and actually got worse and did more. I decided then that it couldn't be me to speak to her because it wouldn't do any good - she won't listen to me. So prayed God would send someone she respects to speak to her and have continued to pray for her ever since.
You skipped a question forgetting to answer this one:
What do Titus 2:4a-5a say older women are to train younger women to be and do?
Then after that one, the answer to the next question doesn't make any sense:
Is it possible to train Christian women “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands,” without first teaching them “what is good” – what the Bible says about how to do these things and why they should do them?
Answer:
to love their husbands and children
Then, toward the end: What does 2 Timothy 2:15 mean when it says “Do your best” so you will have “no need to be ashamed”?
Your answer was good and true as far as it goes, but there's more to it then that when you consider all of God's Word. I won't go into all the scriptures but:
“Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.” (Hebrews 2:11) “And now, dear children, continue in him, so that when he appears we may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming.” (1 John 2:28) In other words, When we get to heaven, those who don't know His Word and have had the opportunity to know it (could get a Bible and could read or learn to read) will find that their Savior is ashamed of them. There will be no glad welcome, but instead He will have some questions for them. They won't lose their salvation, but will lose rewards that would have been theirs. Rewards are not only things like "crowns" which we will later throw at His feet, but will also be positions of authority, our "jobs" so to speak.
People often quote that there will be no more tears in Heaven, which is true, but they forget to look at the context of when that is. God will not wipe away "all tears" etc until after the end of the Millennial Kingdom and the Great White Throne Judgment. So there will be sorrow and tears up until then. People will feel sorrow for not living for Him, for not knowing His Word so they could. And obviously, at the great white throne judgment, the unsaved will be filled with sorrow and fear and there will be a great many tears! I imagine even the saved will feel sorrow at that judgment for all the unsaved. But then immediately after it's done, then God will take away our sorrow and there will never be anymore ever again.
You've done very well though. I love talking about God's Word with you. Especially about how we're doing applying it to our lives. I hope you don't mind me adding all those questions for you so you could see how you're doing, but they're questions I ask myself too, as well as other questions. Besides, I like to stop and see how you're doing!  Talking to you like this helps me stay accountable too!
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fearnot
Living With Pain
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Post by fearnot on Mar 13, 2019 12:28:20 GMT -5
3. Carefully read the 2 Timothy 3:1-9 passage. How does the Holy Spirit describe people’s attitudes and actions during the last days? (2 Timothy 3:2-5)
Answer:
They will wax worse and worse, like nothing before.
Considering what He says these people will do in 2 Timothy 3:5-6a, are the people He’s describing in 2 Timothy 3:2-5 Christians or non-Christians?
Answer:
Well, I think mainly unbelievers/non-Christians but believers are not exempt, especially if they are not in the Word.
Church-goers or non-church-goers?
Answer:
The same as above, mostly non-church goers, but the problem is the church itself has brought so much of the world in it. But further, so many believers spend waaaaay more tie in the World than in the Word, that they are often more influenced by the World. They begin to think certain behaviors and attitudes that are not Biblical are 'normal' and thus no big deal. They begin to believe they can live like the world ( cheat on taxes or marriage, drink a bit to excess, swear when frustrated, etc etc.) as long as they have 'added' Jesus, to their lives, like an insurance policy.
What does it mean to have the appearance of godliness, but deny its power? (2 Timothy 3:5a)
Answer:
These people may be worse than your average unbeliever, because they will present an outward apperance of living a godly life, but some are 'wolves' in sheep's clothing. They do all the right Christian things, but have never been born again or transform or become a new person. Some are even 'pastors'. As an artist, I liked one of the many ways Spurgeon wrote about it: "Could you dine off the 'picture of a feast' when you are hungry"? It made me think of some super realism paintings I have seen, the food looks exactly real, but sadly it's not.
How does 2 Timothy 3:8-9 describe these same people from 2 Timothy 3:5a?
Answer:
"these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds,
who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.......their folly"
What term might we use for people like this today?
Answer:
hypocrites, charlatans, impostors, pretenders, posers, deceivers, hucksters, fakers, frauds, con artists
How are we to regard such people? (2 Timothy 3:5b)
Answer:
Have nothing to do with such people.
Why are we to “avoid such people” (2 Timothy 3:5b),
Answer:
They are dangerous, deceptive, but often very charismatic, charming etc. and will try to manipulate a true believer into a downward spiral.
Of course, people will consider you judgmental, unkind, uptight, a zealot, rude, mean, not PC, narrow minded, etc.
But the people you hang with,
thinking you can influence them to the Lord,
may have the same opportunity to steer you to their true 'lord' ways.
You may have to listen to all manner of ungodly things and be around ungodly acts, etc.
which takes away from your time with God.
and who are “them” (2 Timothy 3:6a)?
Answer:
The hypocrites, charlatans, impostors, pretenders, posers, deceivers, hucksters, fakers, frauds, con artists etc.
Why does 2 Timothy 3:6 specify “weak women” instead of saying “men” or “people”?
Answer:
Weak woman just tend to fall for more fakes, I guess it started with Eve. They tend to be more gullible.
They are weak, because for the most part, they have not been in the word as they should.
How does 2 Timothy 3:6-7 describe these at-risk women?
Answer:
They are gullible
weighed down by sins
always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
If the (2 Timothy 3:1-9) weak woman, unable to arrive at a knowledge of the truth and captured by false teachers who oppose the truth, is one of the (Titus 2:1-10) young women in the church, is she going to have a truthful, biblical understanding of how and why “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands”?
Answer:
No
How can the (Titus 2) older woman “rightly handle the Word of Truth” and “teach what is good” to this younger woman?
Answer:
I assume she must first befriend her, and then from the Bible, point out the only true truth.
What sorts of good things from Scripture would this older woman need to teach the younger woman?
Answer:
Putting God and His Word first
Loving, worshiping, and praying to God
Submission to her husband
Choosing to love
Choosing to forgive
Avoiding people with false doctrines
having a gentle and quite spirit
to be modest
to be homemakers
not to be busybodies, and gossips
Have you ever seen a scenario like this in your church?
Answer:
No, but perhaps there is, and I just don't know about it.
Now when we go to church we are bring 3 children, and when church is over, Leonard almost always has to get back home, so I haven't had time to explore, plus I do not drive.
How would you apply the Scriptures we’re looking at to that scenario?
Answer:
I think there might be young woman around almost anywhere that may actually want a mentor?
I am not really sure if that is the question tho?
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Post by Cindy on Mar 14, 2019 9:22:22 GMT -5
3. Carefully read the 2 Timothy 3:1-9 passage. How does the Holy Spirit describe people’s attitudes and actions during the last days? (2 Timothy 3:2-5)
Answer:
They will wax worse and worse, like nothing before.
Considering what He says these people will do in 2 Timothy 3:5-6a, are the people He’s describing in 2 Timothy 3:2-5 Christians or non-Christians?
Answer:
Well, I think mainly unbelievers/non-Christians but believers are not exempt, especially if they are not in the Word.
Church-goers or non-church-goers?
Answer:
The same as above, mostly non-church goers, but the problem is the church itself has brought so much of the world in it. But further, so many believers spend waaaaay more tie in the World than in the Word, that they are often more influenced by the World. They begin to think certain behaviors and attitudes that are not Biblical are 'normal' and thus no big deal. They begin to believe they can live like the world ( cheat on taxes or marriage, drink a bit to excess, swear when frustrated, etc etc.) as long as they have 'added' Jesus, to their lives, like an insurance policy.
What does it mean to have the appearance of godliness, but deny its power? (2 Timothy 3:5a)
Answer:
These people may be worse than your average unbeliever, because they will present an outward apperance of living a godly life, but some are 'wolves' in sheep's clothing. They do all the right Christian things, but have never been born again or transform or become a new person. Some are even 'pastors'. As an artist, I liked one of the many ways Spurgeon wrote about it: "Could you dine off the 'picture of a feast' when you are hungry"? It made me think of some super realism paintings I have seen, the food looks exactly real, but sadly it's not.
How does 2 Timothy 3:8-9 describe these same people from 2 Timothy 3:5a?
Answer:
"these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds,
who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.......their folly"
What term might we use for people like this today?
Answer:
hypocrites, charlatans, impostors, pretenders, posers, deceivers, hucksters, fakers, frauds, con artists
How are we to regard such people? (2 Timothy 3:5b)
Answer:
Have nothing to do with such people.
Why are we to “avoid such people” (2 Timothy 3:5b),
Answer:
They are dangerous, deceptive, but often very charismatic, charming etc. and will try to manipulate a true believer into a downward spiral.
Of course, people will consider you judgmental, unkind, uptight, a zealot, rude, mean, not PC, narrow minded, etc.
But the people you hang with,
thinking you can influence them to the Lord,
may have the same opportunity to steer you to their true 'lord' ways.
You may have to listen to all manner of ungodly things and be around ungodly acts, etc.
which takes away from your time with God.
and who are “them” (2 Timothy 3:6a)?
Answer:
The hypocrites, charlatans, impostors, pretenders, posers, deceivers, hucksters, fakers, frauds, con artists etc.
Why does 2 Timothy 3:6 specify “weak women” instead of saying “men” or “people”?
Answer:
Weak woman just tend to fall for more fakes, I guess it started with Eve. They tend to be more gullible.
They are weak, because for the most part, they have not been in the word as they should.
How does 2 Timothy 3:6-7 describe these at-risk women?
Answer:
They are gullible
weighed down by sins
always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
If the (2 Timothy 3:1-9) weak woman, unable to arrive at a knowledge of the truth and captured by false teachers who oppose the truth, is one of the (Titus 2:1-10) young women in the church, is she going to have a truthful, biblical understanding of how and why “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands”?
Answer:
No
How can the (Titus 2) older woman “rightly handle the Word of Truth” and “teach what is good” to this younger woman?
Answer:
I assume she must first befriend her, and then from the Bible, point out the only true truth.
What sorts of good things from Scripture would this older woman need to teach the younger woman?
Answer:
Putting God and His Word first
Loving, worshiping, and praying to God
Submission to her husband
Choosing to love
Choosing to forgive
Avoiding people with false doctrines
having a gentle and quite spirit
to be modest
to be homemakers
not to be busybodies, and gossips
Have you ever seen a scenario like this in your church?
Answer:
No, but perhaps there is, and I just don't know about it.
Now when we go to church we are bring 3 children, and when church is over, Leonard almost always has to get back home, so I haven't had time to explore, plus I do not drive.
How would you apply the Scriptures we’re looking at to that scenario?
Answer:
I think there might be young woman around almost anywhere that may actually want a mentor?
I am not really sure if that is the question tho?
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Post by fearnot on Mar 14, 2019 12:09:33 GMT -5
I will answer part of your previous reply, because I need to also start on the next question, so maybe tomorrow I can redo any remaining part of that reply.
Do you wear clothes that are immodest?
A) No
Do you curse or swear?
A) No
Do you study the Bible daily?
A) Yes
Do you speak about God on a regular basis- maybe something you've recently read, or something He's done in your life, or perhaps just saying "thank you Lord" or something like that when He blesses you? (in other words, do people hear you speak about God?)
A) Not nearly as much as I wish. Tho about a week ago, I totally surprised and shocked myself with
saying 2 such little things, and I do say "thank you Lord" a LOT more often.....but seriously it is
nowhere near what I want.
I had a Christian friend a looooong time again and Nicole could so often use scripture, and
speak about God in so so so so many ways, that came across as so natural and beautiful!! I
was in total awe, I never could figure out how she did it to this very day. Of course, she like you
was so into the Word ( and she home-schooled all 4 of her children, including her son who is
now a lawyer, a daughter in DC Republican policies etc.) so maybe teaching God's word every
day to 4 kids helped?
When you realize that your thoughts are about negative things, things that may cause you to become depressed or sad, do you take your thoughts captive and replace them with His truth right away? When you realize that your thoughts about another person or about an event or circumstance in your life are wrong, do you take your thoughts captive and replace them with the truth from His Word? (like thinking your landlord raising your rent could cause you to lose your home, so you remember that God is in control, not your landlord; etc)
A) the operative word....'right away'....ummmmmm some times, eventually, usually
Do you spend more time in front of a mirror primping and making sure you look good then you do making sure your character is in line with God's Word?
A) Better, still not happy exactly with too much primping. I fool myself thing, well people would be
more drawn to a 'cute' little old lady, than an ugly one...soooooo yeah, not there 100 percent
yet.
Do you spend time just thinking about God and/or His Word?
A) Yes, but still as always, not as much as I would want
Do you submit to your husband?
A) say what?? LOL
I 'try'.
I remember, some psych telling me to 'try' to stand up out of the chair I was sitting in.....I
stood.....they said
No, that is standing, I said for you to 'try'
So, Sometimes, more than before for sure, its been on my mind a lot.
Do you put the needs and wants of others before yourself and your own needs and wants?
A) More than before, but no not always
Do you allow ungodly behavior of others who are in your home or who are your responsibility?
A) Yes, this is not good I know, but if its a husband or grand kids, etc. sometimes, I am thinking I
have to 'pick' my battles, but just very recently ( for example) my grand daughter takes
offense at anything
she considers a 'correction',
to the point, I am almost ready to just give her up to God, ( I guess it would be
abandoning her for a time)
and let the 'world' give it's lessons.
The sad thing is she has been offered full scholarship to Portland Univ for 4 years,
like that will do her any 'good' in a godly way....not!
Do you forgive others who've hurt you the way God forgives us? (with reconciliation being your goal where possible).
A) I always pray and ask the Lord to help me do so.
Are you patient with others?
A) kind of, most of the time, I do have my not so patient moments tho.
Do you ask the forgiveness of others when you've sinned against them?
A) Usually
Do you allow anger to control you?
A) Not very often, not nearly as much, but again, I do have my moments.
Have you allowed any bitterness in your heart?
A) not as much as I used to
Do you bless those who've hurt you? (do good for/to them, be helpful, kind, loving, etc)
A) A work in progress that
Do you keep a mental or physical list of things someone has done that's hurt you?
A) Not very much or often ( it used to be huge!)
Do you keep a mental or physical list of blessings you've been given by God? (in other words is it easy for you to remember the many good things God has done for you)
A) Mostly
Do you keep a mental or physical list of the good things others have done for you? (in other words is it easy for you to remember the many good things other people have done for you)
A) Pretty much
Do you gossip? (tell stories about others to make them look bad and make you look good)?
A) I still do but not as much. I do NOT do it to deliberately make myself look
good,
but isn't that always the default reason.
Do you slander others? (same as above, only knowing that you're telling a lie)
A) no
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Post by fearnot on Mar 14, 2019 12:51:50 GMT -5
4. Look at the final three passages (1 Timothy 2:15, 2 Timothy 1:1-5 & 2 Timothy 3:14-15). Besides women, what is another part of the church whom women are uniquely gifted to teach? (You may wish to go back to lesson 14 and re-read the paragraph near the end of the lesson which begins with, “Verse 15 can be a little cryptic…”. ).
Answer:
Children
Who were Lois and Eunice? (2 Timothy 1:5)
Answer:
Timothy's grandmother Lois and mother Eunice
To which child did they teach the Scriptures? (2 Timothy 1:2, 2 Timothy 3:15)
Answer:
Timothy ( son and grandson)
What did he go on to do as an adult?
Answer:
He continue in what you (he)have learned
and have become convinced of,
because you know those from whom you learned it
Who are some other men from Scripture who had mothers who trained them in godliness?
Answer:
Solomon,
Samuel
Describe the impact Christian women can have on the church by training children in godliness and the Word.
Answer:
reaching more people for salvation
there would be more love, joy, peace, gentleness, goodness etc.
more submission and obedience to God, less sin
less complaining, arguing, gossip, bitterness
more loving service
true worship of God
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Post by fearnot on Mar 14, 2019 20:49:48 GMT -5
5. Considering all of today’s passages, which two groups of people in the church has God blessed women to proclaim the Word to?
Answer:
Woman and Children
If women were not teaching other women and children in the church, would the church be healthy?
Answer:
No
Homework
Egalitarians often cite the women listed in Romans 16 and Priscilla and Aquila’s conversation with Apollos as evidence that God is OK with women preaching or instructing men in the church.
How would you answer this argument?
Answer
Priscilla and Aquila were talking to him...together, in their home......not Priscilla preaching to him ( as a pastor) in the synagogue/church
Examine both passages. Does Romans 16 say any of the women listed taught or preached? ]
Answer:
No
Was Priscilla’s and Aquila’s private conversation with Apollos the same as Priscilla teaching or preaching to the gathered Body of Believers? ]
No, and that makes it an entirely different thing altogether.
Would Paul have commended any of these women in Romans 16 if they had disobeyed his instructions in 1 Timothy 2:12?]
Answer:
Absolutely not!
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Post by Cindy on Mar 15, 2019 12:06:00 GMT -5
What do Titus 2:4a-5a say older women are to train younger women to be and do?
Answer:
Is it possible to train Christian women “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands,” without first teaching them “what is good” – what the Bible says about how to do these things and why they should do them?
Answer:
to love their husbands and children
You skipped a question forgetting to answer this one:
What do Titus 2:4a-5a say older women are to train younger women to be and do?
Then after that one, the answer to the next question doesn't make any sense:
Is it possible to train Christian women “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands,” without first teaching them “what is good” – what the Bible says about how to do these things and why they should do them?
Answer:
to love their husbands and children
Then, toward the end: What does 2 Timothy 2:15 mean when it says “Do your best” so you will have “no need to be ashamed”?
Your answer was good and true as far as it goes, but there's more to it then that when you consider all of God's Word. I won't go into all the scriptures but:
“Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.” (Hebrews 2:11) “And now, dear children, continue in him, so that when he appears we may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming.” (1 John 2:28) In other words, When we get to heaven, those who don't know His Word and have had the opportunity to know it (could get a Bible and could read or learn to read) will find that their Savior is ashamed of them. There will be no glad welcome, but instead He will have some questions for them. They won't lose their salvation, but will lose rewards that would have been theirs. Rewards are not only things like "crowns" which we will later throw at His feet, but will also be positions of authority, our "jobs" so to speak.
People often quote that there will be no more tears in Heaven, which is true, but they forget to look at the context of when that is. God will not wipe away "all tears" etc until after the end of the Millennial Kingdom and the Great White Throne Judgment. So there will be sorrow and tears up until then. People will feel sorrow for not living for Him, for not knowing His Word so they could. And obviously, at the great white throne judgment, the unsaved will be filled with sorrow and fear and there will be a great many tears! I imagine even the saved will feel sorrow at that judgment for all the unsaved. But then immediately after it's done, then God will take away our sorrow and there will never be anymore ever again.
You've done very well though. I love talking about God's Word with you. Especially about how we're doing applying it to our lives. I hope you don't mind me adding all those questions for you so you could see how you're doing, but they're questions I ask myself too, as well as other questions. Besides, I like to stop and see how you're doing! Talking to you like this helps me stay accountable too!
I will answer part of your previous reply, because I need to also start on the next question, so maybe tomorrow I can redo any remaining part of that reply.
Do you wear clothes that are immodest?
A) No
Do you curse or swear?
A) No
Do you study the Bible daily?
A) Yes
Do you speak about God on a regular basis- maybe something you've recently read, or something He's done in your life, or perhaps just saying "thank you Lord" or something like that when He blesses you? (in other words, do people hear you speak about God?)
A) Not nearly as much as I wish. Tho about a week ago, I totally surprised and shocked myself with
saying 2 such little things, and I do say "thank you Lord" a LOT more often.....but seriously it is
nowhere near what I want.
I had a Christian friend a looooong time again and Nicole could so often use scripture, and
speak about God in so so so so many ways, that came across as so natural and beautiful!! I
was in total awe, I never could figure out how she did it to this very day. Of course, she like you
was so into the Word ( and she home-schooled all 4 of her children, including her son who is
now a lawyer, a daughter in DC Republican policies etc.) so maybe teaching God's word every
day to 4 kids helped?
The more time you spend in God's Word, and the more time you spend thinking about His Word, the more you will be able to speak about it like that. It will become quite natural, like you said. You won't do it the exact same way she did, or like I do, because you're not her and you're not me, but you'll do it in a way that's natural for you. But the key is the amount of time you spend in His Word and thinking about His Word - it's by thinking about it that you come up with things like the weeds in a garden are a lot like sin in our lives, etc which you can then relate to another person.
When you realize that your thoughts are about negative things, things that may cause you to become depressed or sad, do you take your thoughts captive and replace them with His truth right away? When you realize that your thoughts about another person or about an event or circumstance in your life are wrong, do you take your thoughts captive and replace them with the truth from His Word? (like thinking your landlord raising your rent could cause you to lose your home, so you remember that God is in control, not your landlord; etc)
A) the operative word....'right away'....ummmmmm some times, eventually, usually
I guess the thing to ask is how important is it to you to make your thoughts come in line with Gods? Do you see it as work or as a way to become more like Jesus, more pleasing to God, or as a way to overcome things like depression, fear, anxiety, etc? Do you see doing this as God's command? Do you realize why He tells us to do this? It's so we'll be victors instead of victims; so we can escape from all the corruption that causes us to sin, to be depressed, fearful, etc (which are sins too). “Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.” (2 Peter 1:4) You don't have to answer this, I'm just writing it to help you. You can answer it in your own mind. That's what I intended for all these questions anyway. It didn't occur to me to tell you that though, and for that I apologize.
Do you spend more time in front of a mirror primping and making sure you look good then you do making sure your character is in line with God's Word?
A) Better, still not happy exactly with too much primping. I fool myself thing, well people would be
more drawn to a 'cute' little old lady, than an ugly one...soooooo yeah, not there 100 percent
yet.
You added one adjective to your reply that always makes me see red and get angry at the lie Satan has convinced you of! "ugly". You obviously haven't taken that thought captive at all or you wouldn't still be applying it to yourself. You are not ugly! God does not create ugly people. Yes, sin causes our bodies to decay, but we are not our bodies. But that again is something you obviously still believe as you keep saying these things. You are not your body, and you are not ugly. When you say something like that you're quite literally saying that God has created you to be ugly, which isn't true about Him. Without realizing it, you've made your body into an idol. (no, I'm not angry at you!)
Speaking of which let me refresh your memory about idolatry.
Tozer reminds us, “The essence of idolatry is the entertaining of thoughts about God that are unworthy of Him.” This next quote is from an excellent book that really nailed what idolatry is: “Belief in God doesn’t come with your mind, Hezekiah. It comes with your heart. When you only believe in things you can see with your eyes & touch with your hands, it is idolatry.”“To have faith in God is to know that there is a realm of the spirit beyond the comprehension of our minds,” Zechariah said. “Trusting in Molech, as Ahaz did, or trusting in your own wisdom & intellect—there’s no difference in God’s eyes. It’s all idolatry.” Gods and kings: A novel.
Rather than developing the traits of Christian character, which are the result of pursuing and treasuring Christ, I will take on the qualities of my Christ-replacement. This is why so many people in our churches are not growing in Christlikeness. To the degree that Jesus is not the treasure I seek, I will not be progressively taking on his likeness. Instead, I will begin to look more & more like the treasure of the kingdom of self that I am actually living for. Heart of the matter
Idolatry is thinking anything about God that isn’t true or attempting to transform Him into something He isn’t. Knowing what God is like is foundational to knowing God Himself. And knowing God is the essence of being a Christian. The Apostle John wrote, “This is eternal life, that they may know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent.” What does the Lord delight in? Not our boasting of worldly wisdom, human prowess, or material gain. He delights that we know Him. (Jer. 9:23–24) Learn to say with the Apostle Paul, “My determined purpose is that I may know Him—that I may progressively become more deeply and intimately acquainted with Him, perceiving and recognizing and understanding the wonders of His person more strongly and more clearly” (Phil. 3:10, amp). God: Coming face to face with His Majesty
The love of pleasures & possessions is but an insidious form of idolatry, demonic in its origin & destructive in its outcome. The Bible exposition commentary
Faith in anything but His will is idolatry. Substituting your plans for His purposes is idolatry. Faith practiced solely for achieving your personal objectives, as noble as they may seem, is idolatry. Paul’s overwhelming ambition was to know & please Christ, to do everything to His glory. Enter His gates
One of the biggest idols we worship today is the idol of self.
Who or what owns your love: this is what big kingdom and little kingdom living are all about. The fundamental difference between big kingdom and little kingdom living is what has captured the love of our hearts. Remember, as Christ said during his earthly ministry, the kingdom of God is not a location. You couldn’t say, “Honey, let’s get up tomorrow morning and go visit the kingdom of God for the day.” No, Jesus said, “The kingdom of God is within you.” Both the big and little kingdoms are kingdoms of the heart. The big kingdom is shaped by a deeply thankful love for God, and the little kingdom is shaped by a love of self. When my true spiritual condition reveals that I, in fact, love me more than anything else, I will always shrink the size of my care and concern, sacrifice and discipline, and hopes and dreams to the size of my own life. If I love God more than anything else, I will be pulled way beyond the borders of my own wants and needs to the spaciousness of God’s kingdom, where redemption and restoration of all things is the order of the day, every day. Heart of the matter
“Not to us, O LORD, not to us but to your name be the glory, because of your love and faithfulness.” (Psalm 115:1)
The Psalmist, by this repetition, implies our natural tendency to self-idolatry, and to magnifying of ourselves, and the difficulty of cleansing our hearts from these self-reflections. If it be angelical to refuse an undue glory stolen from God’s throne, Rev 22:8-9; it is diabolical to accept and cherish it so much as we sacrifice to our credit, to the dexterity of our hands, or the sagacity of our wit, we detract from God. KJV Bible Commentary
“At Horeb they made a calf and worshiped an idol cast from metal. They exchanged their Glory for an image of a bull, which eats grass.” (Psalm 106:19–20) When we read this scripture, we then have to think about what we're exchanging our glory for with whatever we've chosen as our idol.
Do you spend time just thinking about God and/or His Word?
A) Yes, but still as always, not as much as I would want
Do you submit to your husband?
A) say what?? LOL
I 'try'.
I remember, some psych telling me to 'try' to stand up out of the chair I was sitting in.....I
stood.....they said
No, that is standing, I said for you to 'try'
So, Sometimes, more than before for sure, its been on my mind a lot.
Do you put the needs and wants of others before yourself and your own needs and wants?
A) More than before, but no not always
Do you allow ungodly behavior of others who are in your home or who are your responsibility?
A) Yes, this is not good I know, but if its a husband or grand kids, etc. sometimes, I am thinking I
have to 'pick' my battles, but just very recently ( for example) my grand daughter takes
offense at anything
she considers a 'correction',
to the point, I am almost ready to just give her up to God, ( I guess it would be
abandoning her for a time)
and let the 'world' give it's lessons.
The sad thing is she has been offered full scholarship to Portland Univ for 4 years,
like that will do her any 'good' in a godly way....not!
If it's your husband, you don't have much choice, unless you can talk to him about it without either of you getting angry. Instead you have to model the correct behavior.
With a grandchild (or even just a visitor) though, if they're in your house you shouldn't put up with any ungodly behavior. It's your house, and in your house people must go by your rules, whether they like it or not, whether it will make them upset or not. They can choose not to come to your house, but they must go by your rules in your home. If you are in their home and you're babysitting for them, the same applies, because you're the adult in charge, so again they must obey you, even if it's something their mother allows them to do. They can do it when she's there, but not when you're babysitting, because you are the adult in charge. I remember my mother teaching me that when I was 12 years old and first starting to babysit. You have to lay down the law, and if they disobey you have to be consistent with discipline. You should decide before hand how you're going to discipline for various things though as you won't have time to think about it when it's time to do it. This is what I was talking about in my earlier post when I said:
Concerning loving our children: I understand what you're saying about your daughter..at least I think I do. To often people today think love means giving people whatever they want, letting them do whatever they want. But that's not what God says. God says that when we allow someone to do something that He says is wrong, then we're actually hating that person. “He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.” (Proverbs 13:24) People can argue forever about what sparing the rod means, but God says quite clearly that when we don't discipline our child, we're hating them, not loving them. In other words, when we don't discipline them we're loving ourselves more then we love our child. Of course the same is true for adults in a sense. If a loved one is living as a homosexual and we don't tell them the truth, we're hating them, not loving them. When you love someone you want to see them spend eternity with God, and you want them to have God's best in this life too, and they can only have that when they're saved and living for Him instead of themselves. Of course the person will often disregard what we've said, and that's between them and God. We've done our part- at least partially. After we've told them, then our job is to pray for them. It can sure be hard though, and it's not always up to us to be the ones to tell someone. For instance, I know my oldest daughter has done some things that go against God. I did tell her when it started, but she continued and actually got worse and did more. I decided then that it couldn't be me to speak to her because it wouldn't do any good - she won't listen to me. So prayed God would send someone she respects to speak to her and have continued to pray for her ever since.
It's fine to pick our battles if we're deciding between getting after a child for spilling their milk or not cleaning up their room; but not when they're exhibiting ungodly behavior.
Do you forgive others who've hurt you the way God forgives us? (with reconciliation being your goal where possible).
A) I always pray and ask the Lord to help me do so.
Are you patient with others?
A) kind of, most of the time, I do have my not so patient moments tho.
Do you ask the forgiveness of others when you've sinned against them?
A) Usually
Do you allow anger to control you?
A) Not very often, not nearly as much, but again, I do have my moments.
Have you allowed any bitterness in your heart?
A) not as much as I used to
Do you bless those who've hurt you? (do good for/to them, be helpful, kind, loving, etc)
A) A work in progress that
Do you keep a mental or physical list of things someone has done that's hurt you?
A) Not very much or often ( it used to be huge!)
Do you keep a mental or physical list of blessings you've been given by God? (in other words is it easy for you to remember the many good things God has done for you)
A) Mostly
Do you keep a mental or physical list of the good things others have done for you? (in other words is it easy for you to remember the many good things other people have done for you)
A) Pretty much
Do you gossip? (tell stories about others to make them look bad and make you look good)?
A) I still do but not as much. I do NOT do it to deliberately make myself look
good,
but isn't that always the default reason.
Do you slander others? (same as above, only knowing that you're telling a lie)
A) no
4. Look at the final three passages (1 Timothy 2:15, 2 Timothy 1:1-5 & 2 Timothy 3:14-15). Besides women, what is another part of the church whom women are uniquely gifted to teach? (You may wish to go back to lesson 14 and re-read the paragraph near the end of the lesson which begins with, “Verse 15 can be a little cryptic…”. ).
Answer:
Children
Who were Lois and Eunice? (2 Timothy 1:5)
Answer:
Timothy's grandmother Lois and mother Eunice
To which child did they teach the Scriptures? (2 Timothy 1:2, 2 Timothy 3:15)
Answer:
Timothy ( son and grandson)
What did he go on to do as an adult?
Answer:
He continue in what you (he)have learned
and have become convinced of,
because you know those from whom you learned it
Who are some other men from Scripture who had mothers who trained them in godliness?
Answer:
Solomon,
Samuel
Describe the impact Christian women can have on the church by training children in godliness and the Word.
Answer:
reaching more people for salvation
there would be more love, joy, peace, gentleness, goodness etc.
more submission and obedience to God, less sin
less complaining, arguing, gossip, bitterness
more loving service
true worship of God
5. Considering all of today’s passages, which two groups of people in the church has God blessed women to proclaim the Word to?
Answer:
Woman and Children
If women were not teaching other women and children in the church, would the church be healthy?
Answer:
No
Homework
Egalitarians often cite the women listed in Romans 16 and Priscilla and Aquila’s conversation with Apollos as evidence that God is OK with women preaching or instructing men in the church.
How would you answer this argument?
Answer
Priscilla and Aquila were talking to him...together, in their home......not Priscilla preaching to him ( as a pastor) in the synagogue/church
Examine both passages. Does Romans 16 say any of the women listed taught or preached? ]
Answer:
No
Was Priscilla’s and Aquila’s private conversation with Apollos the same as Priscilla teaching or preaching to the gathered Body of Believers? ]
No, and that makes it an entirely different thing altogether.
Would Paul have commended any of these women in Romans 16 if they had disobeyed his instructions in 1 Timothy 2:12?]
Answer:
Absolutely not!
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Post by fearnot on Mar 16, 2019 11:12:08 GMT -5
1. We started this study by looking at the Proverbs 31 woman (lessons 2-3), often considered the icon of biblical womanhood. In subsequent lessons, we tried to answer the question, “If the Proverbs 31 woman really is the ideal to attain to, how do we get there from here?”.
Answer:
I think by first putting God and His Word ( the Bible) first, along with prayer.
There are many other scriptures that will help and should be read
Realize it's a process, so start taking the steps ( with the Lord's help)
" I can do all things through Christ Jesus"......but not necessarily all in one day.
Give God the glory ( not trying to attain praise for self)
Putting husband, children and others first, and using Proverbs 31 as a guide
Be willing to work hard, as unto the Lord, and not be a complainer.
Be loving, compassionate
Have high moral standards
Be modest in dress
Make your home as lovely as you can with what you have and with what strength you have
etc.
And we’re finishing up today by looking back again at the Proverbs 31 woman. Is she really the quintessential picture of biblical womanhood?
Answer:
I think she is a good guide and this proverb ( like all scripture) is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness
and there are many other scriptures to help train us.
How do all the other Scriptures we’ve studied flesh out the ideal described in Proverbs 31?
Answer:
I don't understand what she is asking because my answer, is like a repeat of the question...
They add other aspects to a godly picture of biblical womanhood....like Timothy, Titus, and Peter, etc. elaborates in more detail about being modest, doing good deeds, kindly character,
being respectful and submissive to one's husband, etc.
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Post by fearnot on Mar 16, 2019 20:17:48 GMT -5
This was super helpful:
I guess the thing to ask is how important is it to you to make your thoughts come in line with Gods? Do you see it as work or as a way to become more like Jesus, more pleasing to God, or as a way to overcome things like depression, fear, anxiety, etc?
A) I realized that instead of seeing as a way to become more like Jesus, I tend to see it as a way to overcome things like depression. So this is a big help, to ask the Lord to help me change direction.
Do you see doing this as God's command?
A) I hadn't really thought of it as God's command.
Do you realize why He tells us to do this?
A) Not really
It's so we'll be victors instead of victims; so we can escape from all the corruption that causes us to sin, to be depressed, fearful, etc (which are sins too).
That helps me see it from a more godly perspective, thank you!!!
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Post by fearnot on Mar 17, 2019 15:37:08 GMT -5
2. What does Proverbs 31:10 mean?
Answer:
"A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies."
Having good godly character is worth more than valuable precious material items. Sadly woman of noble character are hard to find, perhaps more so now than ever before.
Consider Proverbs 31:10 in light of lessons 4-6. How does the fact that you were uniquely created by God (4), that your identity is found in Christ (5), and that you are a vital member of the Body of Christ (6), provide a foundation to build on for becoming the rare, excellent, godly woman?
Answer:
I doubt I will get this right, but I am thinking, that being uniquely created by God, gives woman a godly woman foundation in that they do not have to compete in order to be everything (or in every way), God made men.
Strangely, I am thinking how this trans thing is working out in woman's sports. When a man today 'self-identifies', as a woman, and competes in woman's sports:
be it running, soccer, boxing, basketball etc etc.
The woman have zero chance against a strong man ( and thus the woman lose women's sports scholarships to colleges etc.)
God did not create woman to be men, and so that is a part of the foundation ( that is almost totally lacking any more, in the culture of today, pushing woman's lib, transsexuals, etc etc.
So that is kind of the outward, physical aspect.
But then is the fact our identity is in Christ, which is the moral spiritual part of the foundation. And like the physical God gave woman a special role, emotions, behaviors etc. that are uniquely for woman.
Which is not to say woman don't have some of the strengths men do or that men don't have some of the nurturing ones woman do.
After all Jesus was very compassionate, loving, etc. but He also had the strength men do.
Men want to provide and protect, and woman to nurture etc.
But having our identity in Christ gives us direction, purpose etc. for all of our life.
And being part of the church, allows woman to teach younger woman to be woman of noble character, ( which is greatly needed in this day).
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Post by fearnot on Mar 18, 2019 10:01:44 GMT -5
3. Examine Proverbs 31:11-12 in light of lesson 11. What are some of the ways you can be obedient to Scripture that will enable you to do your husband good and not harm, benefit him, and enable his heart to trust in you?
Answer:
Making God priority,
then her/your/my husband next,
and then children,
finally friends,
and even a stranger in need.
Don't be an extravagant clothes and makeup buyer
or demanding an exorbitant home with expensive furniture etc.
But rather find ways to stretch what your/my husbands gives you ( what ever he can),
without his having to consider less than honest ways to keep you/me in the lifestyle you demand.
Find honest ways to supplement, like perhaps a garden, picking wild things like berries, making things you/I could sell etc.
Being trust worthy and not gossiping about all his 'secrets, or faults etc.
Making the abode, with whatever funds, materials that you/I have, into a comfy, tidy, place to come home to.
Don't be a 'flirt', or wear clothing that is super sexually alluring and not modest , so that you tempt other men.
Raise the children to have godly character, so they are not a vexation
Have husband's best interests in her/my heart
Be kind, given to hospitality, and compassionate.
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Post by Cindy on Mar 18, 2019 10:18:38 GMT -5
1. We started this study by looking at the Proverbs 31 woman (lessons 2-3), often considered the icon of biblical womanhood. In subsequent lessons, we tried to answer the question, “If the Proverbs 31 woman really is the ideal to attain to, how do we get there from here?”.
Answer:
I think by first putting God and His Word ( the Bible) first, along with prayer.
There are many other scriptures that will help and should be read
Realize it's a process, so start taking the steps ( with the Lord's help)
" I can do all things through Christ Jesus"......but not necessarily all in one day.
Give God the glory ( not trying to attain praise for self)
Putting husband, children and others first, and using Proverbs 31 as a guide
Be willing to work hard, as unto the Lord, and not be a complainer.
Be loving, compassionate
Have high moral standards
Be modest in dress
Make your home as lovely as you can with what you have and with what strength you have
etc.
And we’re finishing up today by looking back again at the Proverbs 31 woman. Is she really the quintessential picture of biblical womanhood?
Answer:
I think she is a good guide and this proverb ( like all scripture) is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness
and there are many other scriptures to help train us.
How do all the other Scriptures we’ve studied flesh out the ideal described in Proverbs 31?
Answer:
I don't understand what she is asking because my answer, is like a repeat of the question...
They add other aspects to a godly picture of biblical womanhood....like Timothy, Titus, and Peter, etc. elaborates in more detail about being modest, doing good deeds, kindly character,
being respectful and submissive to one's husband, etc.
This was super helpful:
I guess the thing to ask is how important is it to you to make your thoughts come in line with Gods? Do you see it as work or as a way to become more like Jesus, more pleasing to God, or as a way to overcome things like depression, fear, anxiety, etc?
A) I realized that instead of seeing as a way to become more like Jesus, I tend to see it as a way to overcome things like depression. So this is a big help, to ask the Lord to help me change direction.
Do you see doing this as God's command?
A) I hadn't really thought of it as God's command.
Do you realize why He tells us to do this?
A) Not really
It's so we'll be victors instead of victims; so we can escape from all the corruption that causes us to sin, to be depressed, fearful, etc (which are sins too).
That helps me see it from a more godly perspective, thank you!!!
And yes, it most definitely IS a command! God doesn't tell us to take our thoughts captive if we feel like it, or to do it sometimes etc. It's also a command to be in His Word daily so our minds can be renewed, again for the same reasons as above. God's commands are always for our benefit, not for His. It won't affect Him one way or the other whether we do as we're told or not. But it will affect us one way or the other, in this life and the next, if we obey Him, or if we don't.
2. What does Proverbs 31:10 mean?
Answer:
"A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies."
Having good godly character is worth more than valuable precious material items. Sadly woman of noble character are hard to find, perhaps more so now than ever before.
Consider Proverbs 31:10 in light of lessons 4-6. How does the fact that you were uniquely created by God (4), that your identity is found in Christ (5), and that you are a vital member of the Body of Christ (6), provide a foundation to build on for becoming the rare, excellent, godly woman?
Answer:
I doubt I will get this right, but I am thinking, that being uniquely created by God, gives woman a godly woman foundation in that they do not have to compete in order to be everything (or in every way), God made men.
Strangely, I am thinking how this trans thing is working out in woman's sports. When a man today 'self-identifies', as a woman, and competes in woman's sports:
be it running, soccer, boxing, basketball etc etc.
The woman have zero chance against a strong man ( and thus the woman lose women's sports scholarships to colleges etc.)
God did not create woman to be men, and so that is a part of the foundation ( that is almost totally lacking any more, in the culture of today, pushing woman's lib, transsexuals, etc etc.
So that is kind of the outward, physical aspect.
But then is the fact our identity is in Christ, which is the moral spiritual part of the foundation. And like the physical God gave woman a special role, emotions, behaviors etc. that are uniquely for woman.
Which is not to say woman don't have some of the strengths men do or that men don't have some of the nurturing ones woman do.
After all Jesus was very compassionate, loving, etc. but He also had the strength men do.
Men want to provide and protect, and woman to nurture etc.
But having our identity in Christ gives us direction, purpose etc. for all of our life.
And being part of the church, allows woman to teach younger woman to be woman of noble character, ( which is greatly needed in this day).
3. Examine Proverbs 31:11-12 in light of lesson 11. What are some of the ways you can be obedient to Scripture that will enable you to do your husband good and not harm, benefit him, and enable his heart to trust in you?
Answer:
Making God priority,
then her/your/my husband next,
and then children,
finally friends,
and even a stranger in need.
Don't be an extravagant clothes and makeup buyer
or demanding an exorbitant home with expensive furniture etc.
But rather find ways to stretch what your/my husbands gives you ( what ever he can),
without his having to consider less than honest ways to keep you/me in the lifestyle you demand.
Find honest ways to supplement, like perhaps a garden, picking wild things like berries, making things you/I could sell etc.
Being trust worthy and not gossiping about all his 'secrets, or faults etc.
Making the abode, with whatever funds, materials that you/I have, into a comfy, tidy, place to come home to.
Don't be a 'flirt', or wear clothing that is super sexually alluring and not modest , so that you tempt other men.
Raise the children to have godly character, so they are not a vexation
Have husband's best interests in her/my heart
Be kind, given to hospitality, and compassionate.
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Post by fearnot on Mar 18, 2019 12:47:50 GMT -5
Thank you, I was surprised that at least, some of my answers were not correct or only partially...so yea :-)
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Post by fearnot on Mar 19, 2019 9:37:57 GMT -5
4. Consider Proverbs 31:17 in light of lessons 7-9. How do knowing and loving God’s Word (7), obeying God’s Word (8), and sharing the gospel (9), dress you with strength and make your arms strong?
Answer:
Knowing God's word gives you/me strength to face all manner of trials, because His Word gives comfort, hope, and you already know the end.
This is clothing ourselves is with the Word of God. We do it by reading. studying, knowing and loving God's Word, by doing so we are not weak floundering around, not knowing how to deal with daily life, or life with great problems.
We have to dress ourselves, not just rely on someone else to 'dress us', like when we were a baby or a small child. So tho we can read commentaries, and listen and learn a great deal from others, we also have to be like the Bereans, and examine the Scriptures, daily, ourselves.
As we obey God's word we grow in strength as we see God's truths working in our lives, and so our faith grows and we are strong. Obeying God's Word means if at all possible we also do the things God commands ( Physically, as well as spiritually and doing makes us stronger in both.)
Likewise, as we share the gospel, we also grow in strength and joy. Our arms reach out to the lost. Sometimes the pulling up of one who is down in sin and sorrow, takes a lot of strength
( especially if the were on a slippery slope sliding down very fast).
Our arms grow stronger as we hug a lost soul and/or a new believer.
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Post by Cindy on Mar 19, 2019 10:07:29 GMT -5
Thank you, I was surprised that at least, some of my answers were not correct or only partially...so yea :-) 4. Consider Proverbs 31:17 in light of lessons 7-9. How do knowing and loving God’s Word (7), obeying God’s Word (8), and sharing the gospel (9), dress you with strength and make your arms strong?
Answer:
Knowing God's word gives you/me strength to face all manner of trials, because His Word gives comfort, hope, and you already know the end.
This is clothing ourselves is with the Word of God. We do it by reading. studying, knowing and loving God's Word, by doing so we are not weak floundering around, not knowing how to deal with daily life, or life with great problems.
We have to dress ourselves, not just rely on someone else to 'dress us', like when we were a baby or a small child. So tho we can read commentaries, and listen and learn a great deal from others, we also have to be like the Bereans, and examine the Scriptures, daily, ourselves.
As we obey God's word we grow in strength as we see God's truths working in our lives, and so our faith grows and we are strong. Obeying God's Word means if at all possible we also do the things God commands ( Physically, as well as spiritually and doing makes us stronger in both.)
Likewise, as we share the gospel, we also grow in strength and joy. Our arms reach out to the lost. Sometimes the pulling up of one who is down in sin and sorrow, takes a lot of strength
( especially if the were on a slippery slope sliding down very fast).
Our arms grow stronger as we hug a lost soul and/or a new believer.
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Post by Cindy on Mar 20, 2019 11:19:07 GMT -5
Sorry, can't wait anymore. Hope all is going well for you!
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Post by fearnot on Mar 20, 2019 14:54:42 GMT -5
5. What is the general motif of Proverbs 31:17, Proverbs 31:22, Proverbs 31:25? Compare these verses to the concept of “adorning” we studied in lesson 15. With what “clothing” should a godly woman “dress” or adorn herself?
Answer:
Modestly
clean
Strength
dignity
Pleasant but not unnaturally extravagance but moderate
It should not be men's clothing
It should be according to God's Word, and pleasing to Him first, and also pleasing to her husband.
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Post by Cindy on Mar 21, 2019 11:31:13 GMT -5
5. What is the general motif of Proverbs 31:17, Proverbs 31:22, Proverbs 31:25? Compare these verses to the concept of “adorning” we studied in lesson 15. With what “clothing” should a godly woman “dress” or adorn herself?
Answer:
Modestly
clean
Strength
dignity
Pleasant but not unnaturally extravagance but moderate
It should not be men's clothing
It should be according to God's Word, and pleasing to Him first, and also pleasing to her husband.
What is the general motif of Proverbs 31:17? “She sets about her work vigorously; her arms are strong for her tasks.” (Proverbs 31:17)
What is the general motif of Proverbs 31:22? “She makes coverings for her bed; she is clothed in fine linen and purple.” (Proverbs 31:22)
What is the general motif of Proverbs 31:25? “She is clothed with strength and dignity; she can laugh at the days to come.” (Proverbs 31:25)
Compare these verses to the concept of “adorning” we studied in lesson 15. With what “clothing” should a godly woman “dress” or adorn herself?
I'm assuming your answer is to this part of the question...is that right?
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Post by fearnot on Mar 21, 2019 12:38:34 GMT -5
Oh, I just thought she was asking the 4th as the actually one to answer, so I combined them all, and yes, mostly answered how to dress.
Oye, I really do not always understand what exactly she is asking.
Well, the general motif of this one would be ( I think)
“She sets about her work vigorously; her arms are strong for her tasks.”
Would be, to the best of our ability, to do whatever work as if unto the Lord, meaning we don't whine, complain, be lazy, do as little as possible to get by ( one small added benefit, is we would not need to go to the gym, we would get a workout at home, and gain strength ( No...not really what it is saying?)
Then for:
“She makes coverings for her bed; she is clothed in fine linen and purple.”
She doesn't have to go to the most expensive stores and buy the top of the line things to furnish her home, if she can perhaps quilt, ( not everyone can tho) or perhaps she can make her own dishes via doing pottery, She might even make her own clothing etc. If she has the means and ability, she may do any number of those types of things, especially if they actually are a savings to her husband. However, that does not necessarily mean it looks funky, cheap, ugly, hippy dippy-ish, ( unless that is what is cozy, warm, inviting, and what both she and her hubby like).
The point, I am thinking, is even her clothing, to the best of her ability is modest, but feminine, ( in other words she doesn't have to dress ugly, unless that is all she has, but its not some sort of rule she must where only black, or puce, or dingy grey, ...unless her husband likes her in those colors or even she herself.)
But she does not have to be a fashion plate, wearing the most expensive, up to the second, in style clothing, either.
And then:
“She is clothed with strength and dignity; she can laugh at the days to come.
To be clothed with dignity is to be living for the Lord Jesus and obeying Him, which means be submissive and loving to her husband. To live ( and even physically dress) like a floozy and immoral in any way ( drunk, having affairs etc.) does not give anyone dignity, nor happiness or joy. it causes sorrow, pain, insecurity, sadness, depression etc.
But when a woman is living a godly Christian life, even if trials come ( which they are bound to do) she can have joy, knowing she is pleasing God and her husband.
No not sick, yesterday I got a late start as landlord unexpectedly showed up, and so things got different than our usual routine.
I think you know Leonard has not worked for years, so is home most of the time ( when he is not taxing family here and there).
He knows I do Bible study pretty much first thing, but sometimes he needs to talk to me about something, so I do my Bible Study, a bit later....and sometimes I postpone it do to some other issue.
My goal is to keep it the first thing ( well after essential morning things), but I don't always make it.
I apologize if I kept you waiting, that was not fair to you.
Another thing, is we had the last 2 or 3 days nice Spring days (we are going back to less than nice spring days now tho), and I find on such days, I have a tiny wee bit more energy, if I get up out of the chair, and try to do stuff ( almost anything) at that time....otherwise, I lose any wee bit of energy I might hav, by not moving at all.
So instead of trying to get to Bible study at 8....its been more like 10 or so for the last 2 days or 3.
But we are back to gloomy, yet I still try to do a few things as there was a little, left over LOL Sorry tho.
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Post by fearnot on Mar 21, 2019 13:54:47 GMT -5
6. Examine Proverbs 31:26 in light of lessons 13-16. How can we open our mouths with wisdom and teach kindly through our position in the church (14), our portrayal of biblical womanhood in the church (15), and our proclamation of God’s Word (16) in the church?/font]
Answer:
we open our mouths with wisdom and teach kindly through our position in the church:
I am a little confused, because we cannot be pastors ( and thus we cannot 'teach' like he does),
but we should be respectful and not chatting during service,
however we can still be 'teaching', in that we do respectfully listen,
study and learn from the Pastor.
worship and pray
( we speak by example?)
portrayal of biblical womanhood in the church:
By respecting the pastor and her husband ( respect the chain of command set by God)
by dressing modestly
by showing kindness and hospitality to new people and any church members
be willing to serve
be self-controlled
by not being a nagging wife
Not being argumentative,
Being content as a woman and not being envious of men's position or power.
Not dressing like men
proclaim of God’s Word in the church?
by attending a woman's Bible Study
or teaching a Sunday school class
What are the unique opportunities single women (13) have to teach and model wisdom and kindness in the church?
Answer:
They may have more time ( because they are not focused on a husband and children)
So they could perhaps spend more time with shut-ins
the elderly
teaching Sunday school
a woman's Bible Study
serving with cooking, helping with phone calls, booking keeping, running a library if the church has one, be in the choir, welcoming committee or other services
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Post by Cindy on Mar 22, 2019 10:54:59 GMT -5
Oh, I just thought she was asking the 4th as the actually one to answer, so I combined them all, and yes, mostly answered how to dress.
Oye, I really do not always understand what exactly she is asking.
Well, the general motif of this one would be ( I think)
“She sets about her work vigorously; her arms are strong for her tasks.”
Would be, to the best of our ability, to do whatever work as if unto the Lord, meaning we don't whine, complain, be lazy, do as little as possible to get by ( one small added benefit, is we would not need to go to the gym, we would get a workout at home, and gain strength ( No...not really what it is saying?)
Then for:
“She makes coverings for her bed; she is clothed in fine linen and purple.”
She doesn't have to go to the most expensive stores and buy the top of the line things to furnish her home, if she can perhaps quilt, ( not everyone can tho) or perhaps she can make her own dishes via doing pottery, She might even make her own clothing etc. If she has the means and ability, she may do any number of those types of things, especially if they actually are a savings to her husband. However, that does not necessarily mean it looks funky, cheap, ugly, hippy dippy-ish, ( unless that is what is cozy, warm, inviting, and what both she and her hubby like).
The point, I am thinking, is even her clothing, to the best of her ability is modest, but feminine, ( in other words she doesn't have to dress ugly, unless that is all she has, but its not some sort of rule she must where only black, or puce, or dingy grey, ...unless her husband likes her in those colors or even she herself.)
But she does not have to be a fashion plate, wearing the most expensive, up to the second, in style clothing, either.
And then:
“She is clothed with strength and dignity; she can laugh at the days to come.
To be clothed with dignity is to be living for the Lord Jesus and obeying Him, which means be submissive and loving to her husband. To live ( and even physically dress) like a floozy and immoral in any way ( drunk, having affairs etc.) does not give anyone dignity, nor happiness or joy. it causes sorrow, pain, insecurity, sadness, depression etc.
But when a woman is living a godly Christian life, even if trials come ( which they are bound to do) she can have joy, knowing she is pleasing God and her husband.
No not sick, yesterday I got a late start as landlord unexpectedly showed up, and so things got different than our usual routine.
I think you know Leonard has not worked for years, so is home most of the time ( when he is not taxing family here and there).
He knows I do Bible study pretty much first thing, but sometimes he needs to talk to me about something, so I do my Bible Study, a bit later....and sometimes I postpone it do to some other issue.
My goal is to keep it the first thing ( well after essential morning things), but I don't always make it.
I apologize if I kept you waiting, that was not fair to you.
Another thing, is we had the last 2 or 3 days nice Spring days (we are going back to less than nice spring days now tho), and I find on such days, I have a tiny wee bit more energy, if I get up out of the chair, and try to do stuff ( almost anything) at that time....otherwise, I lose any wee bit of energy I might hav, by not moving at all.
So instead of trying to get to Bible study at 8....its been more like 10 or so for the last 2 days or 3.
But we are back to gloomy, yet I still try to do a few things as there was a little, left over LOL Sorry tho.
Let's look closer at Proverbs 31:22. “She makes coverings for her bed; she is clothed in fine linen and purple.” Linen and purple show that she wore clothing that was considered for the highest class - such as a queen or princess. And we are in fact princesses because we are daughters of the King. That's part of our identity in Christ. This doesn't necessarily mean that she was wealthy. She worked hard and unlike us didn't have tons of clothes to choose from each day. Most folks only had one or two sets of clothes at the most during the time Jesus was here. What this shows though is that she saved and worked hard to make things that were of good quality and were beautiful. She made sure that she looked her best and so did her family and her home, so everyone and her home showed brought glory to the Lord in that way. Since she is a helper for her husband, she would want her home to be a place where he could not only relax, but also where his business partners or clients could come. She would want to make sure that anyone coming into her home would see that the home was neat, uncluttered, clean and as beautiful as she could make it, making her husband look successful.
You did good with Proverbs 31:25 describing dignity; but it also mentions strength and that she can laugh at the days to come. We are clothed in strength when we abide in the Lord. She can also laugh at the days to come both because she's prepared for them as best as she can be, because she trusts the Lord and obeys Him; and because the Joy of the Lord is her strength. Therefore she doesn't fear bad news, her heart is steadfast, trusting in the Lord. (Psalm 112:17)
Don't worry about keeping me waiting hon. I just wanted you to know I'd been here, so you wouldn't think I just hadn't shown up. I was just surprised that when I came in the next day that you'd done so little, so it made me think you might be sick as it's not like you to do that. So please, don't worry about my schedule, you're not holding me up or anything like that. Mainly I just want to make sure you're having your time with the Lord each day. It doesn't matter if you post about it, as long as you're spending time in His Word - that's what's important, not me! You're growing so much, and I know we don't have much time left on this earth, so the more time we can spend on eternal things and the less on earthly, the better. I'm trying to make everything I do have something to do with eternity. If I clean, then I'm doing it for the Lord, to obey Him and make my house clean, comfortable and one that says my husband is successful - like the proverb we just studied lol. But I'm trying to remember to actually tell the Lord I'm doing it to bring glory to Him or to Honor Him, etc. I'm sure you know what I mean though. There's so little I can do anymore, so I want what I do to count for Him.
6. Examine Proverbs 31:26 in light of lessons 13-16. How can we open our mouths with wisdom and teach kindly through our position in the church (14), our portrayal of biblical womanhood in the church (15), and our proclamation of God’s Word (16) in the church?/font]
Answer:
we open our mouths with wisdom and teach kindly through our position in the church:
I am a little confused, because we cannot be pastors ( and thus we cannot 'teach' like he does),
but we should be respectful and not chatting during service,
however we can still be 'teaching', in that we do respectfully listen,
study and learn from the Pastor.
worship and pray
( we speak by example?)
portrayal of biblical womanhood in the church:
By respecting the pastor and her husband ( respect the chain of command set by God)
by dressing modestly
by showing kindness and hospitality to new people and any church members
be willing to serve
be self-controlled
by not being a nagging wife
Not being argumentative,
Being content as a woman and not being envious of men's position or power.
Not dressing like men
proclaim of God’s Word in the church?
by attending a woman's Bible Study
or teaching a Sunday school class
What are the unique opportunities single women (13) have to teach and model wisdom and kindness in the church?
Answer:
They may have more time ( because they are not focused on a husband and children)
So they could perhaps spend more time with shut-ins
the elderly
teaching Sunday school
a woman's Bible Study
serving with cooking, helping with phone calls, booking keeping, running a library if the church has one, be in the choir, welcoming committee or other services
“She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue.” (Proverbs 31:26) But we can teach others when we're at Church. First we can teach children and other women even when we're at church. We can be Sunday School teachers for either group. Obviously, we must know God's Word to do that and we must be sure that we always speak to others in a way that lets them know we care about them - with kindness and in a loving way. Secondly, we teach others by the way we dress and behave at church, being a good example for others to follow.
I got a kick out of your answer here: portrayal of biblical womanhood in the church:
By respecting the pastor and her husband I know you meant to say the pastor and his wife!
Your answer was good though. We can also include taking care of our children and making sure they behave properly in Church; and by attending church regularly showing others by example that God wants us to be at Church and to be involved there. And most importantly, by slowly but surely getting to know the other members and as we do, showing them by both our words and actions that we care about them and love them - whether it's taking them a meal when we know they're sick and not up to cooking for their family; or offering to babysit when we know they have to go somewhere; or offering to take them to the store when we know their car broke down; basically by doing for them the things we wish others would do for us if/when we're in that kind of situation.
You did very well with these!
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Post by fearnot on Mar 22, 2019 11:09:10 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy!
I am still trying to understand how she words things or exactly what she is encouraging us to pray about, meditate on, understand and apply to our lives.
But for sure, she has done that in these lessons....it has really helped push me to be less rebellious ( I know, imagine saying that at my age, but it's true) and to be more loving and submissive to my husband....I still have a loooong way to go.
I even thought if you want, I would do more of her studies.
But maybe with a week or so break in between, to work on Acts now and then.
I guess we lost Mark?
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Post by fearnot on Mar 22, 2019 12:55:29 GMT -5
7. Examine Proverbs 31:27-28 in light of lessons 10-13. How can we diligently look well to the ways of our households and families as daughters (10), wives (11), mothers (12), and single women (13)?
Answer:
As daughters:
honor/respect
obey
help
love
care for
forgive them if and when they make mistakes
As wives:
Be diligent to do all the work we can, with a peaceful, joy filled, content spirit, lovingly.
Esteeming others and building them up ( husband, children, parents etc.)
Be submissive
Be a helper to our husbands
Having a gentle quiet spirit
Use whatever resources she has in a wise manner
prays for her family
Study the Bible daily ( with husband if he is willing)
As mothers:
teaches them about God, the Bible, salvation, Jesus etc.
Study the Bible daily ( with husband if he is willing)
Study the Bible with the children
encourage and discipline them
teach them about having a servant's heart
respect for authority (God, their Father, police, government, bosses etc)
Train them in life skills (things like cooking, gardening, managing money, etc.)
train them up in godly living, morals etc.
Care for them (cook etc.)
Be an example
Be their 'mother', not the 'friend'.
be patient, they are children
be forgiving
be willing to sacrifice
As single women:
Care for her parents
be of help to her brothers and sisters if she has any
be of help to her extended family of believers
study God's Word
pray for others
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Post by fearnot on Mar 23, 2019 12:49:19 GMT -5
8. (these are the most important questions of the whole study! So please, take your time and give a thorough answer to these questions!) ]
In what specific areas has God grown you in biblical womanhood during the course of this study? ]
Answer:
Being more submissive to husband
doing work without complaining
Making our dwelling more easy, comfortable etc. for husband.
changing clothing ( as best I can) to be more feminine
Being more supportive of husband
Praying more for him
Being respectful ( and grateful) of God's chain of command in the home, church etc.
being a teacher of younger Christian woman ( if I find any)
What would you say was your most important takeaway from this study? ]
Answer:
Trusting that God knows best concerning His chain of command and be grateful for it.
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Post by fearnot on Mar 24, 2019 10:32:04 GMT -5
I went to Acts for today....but if you want to start a new, study with Michelle Lesley let me know :-)
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Post by Cindy on Mar 25, 2019 11:08:28 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy!
I am still trying to understand how she words things or exactly what she is encouraging us to pray about, meditate on, understand and apply to our lives.
But for sure, she has done that in these lessons....it has really helped push me to be less rebellious ( I know, imagine saying that at my age, but it's true) and to be more loving and submissive to my husband....I still have a loooong way to go.
I even thought if you want, I would do more of her studies.
But maybe with a week or so break in between, to work on Acts now and then.
I guess we lost Mark?
7. Examine Proverbs 31:27-28 in light of lessons 10-13. How can we diligently look well to the ways of our households and families as daughters (10), wives (11), mothers (12), and single women (13)?
Answer:
As daughters:
honor/respect
obey
help
love
care for
forgive them if and when they make mistakes
As wives:
Be diligent to do all the work we can, with a peaceful, joy filled, content spirit, lovingly.
Esteeming others and building them up ( husband, children, parents etc.)
Be submissive
Be a helper to our husbands
Having a gentle quiet spirit
Use whatever resources she has in a wise manner
prays for her family
Study the Bible daily ( with husband if he is willing)
As mothers:
teaches them about God, the Bible, salvation, Jesus etc.
Study the Bible daily ( with husband if he is willing)
Study the Bible with the children
encourage and discipline them
teach them about having a servant's heart
respect for authority (God, their Father, police, government, bosses etc)
Train them in life skills (things like cooking, gardening, managing money, etc.)
train them up in godly living, morals etc.
Care for them (cook etc.)
Be an example
Be their 'mother', not the 'friend'.
be patient, they are children
be forgiving
be willing to sacrifice
As single women:
Care for her parents
be of help to her brothers and sisters if she has any
be of help to her extended family of believers
study God's Word
pray for others
8. (these are the most important questions of the whole study! So please, take your time and give a thorough answer to these questions!) ]
In what specific areas has God grown you in biblical womanhood during the course of this study? ]
Answer:
Being more submissive to husband
doing work without complaining
Making our dwelling more easy, comfortable etc. for husband.
changing clothing ( as best I can) to be more feminine
Being more supportive of husband
Praying more for him
Being respectful ( and grateful) of God's chain of command in the home, church etc.
being a teacher of younger Christian woman ( if I find any)
What would you say was your most important takeaway from this study? ]
Answer:
Trusting that God knows best concerning His chain of command and be grateful for it.
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Talking to you like this helps me stay accountable too!
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