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Post by Cindy on Jan 10, 2019 11:44:37 GMT -5
I think I may have learned to 'freeze' as a small child, when moved to home to home. It was stress, and and no loving adult to help with the scary, unknown transition...Not knowing Jesus then, I did not trust or lean on Him.
I do know that for years and years, if someone raised their voice to me in anger, I would almost always flinch ( it was not exactly that I thought I was going to be hit, it was just an automatic reflect, that I had no real control over, because it happened so fast. I didn't think to myself:
I will shrink/recoil now LOL)
so my usual response was flinch and/or then I would freeze.
Too a very small extent I do that a wee bit, if Leonard is angry...he can be in the other room, upset with some material item.....but I will just stop moving....and wait...til the 'storm' so to speak, has blown away.
In the past, I might ask if he needed help or something, and he would just say: Leave me alone.
It's usually because he is angry at a 'thing' and/or himself.....
and
I also think it is a 'learned' response for him, most likely, to when his dad was drunk and yelling.
So it's strange, I 'freeze' at yelling, and he has moments of getting upset and yelling ha ha.
However, he has been asking the Lord in prayer daily to help him with his bad temper.....he has not ever hit me...so its not that....its just like you said, a 'learned response'.
I have only occasionally reacted to someone in anger in the past....only a few times when my children were small and someone was near to abusing them....
not exactly or necessarily a better response, but the only time that changed the automatic freeze.
The other times I don't freeze is if there is a medical issue, I can deal with,
or at least,
give or bring some kind of compassion to the person ( s) or animals etc.
It does however, give me a chance to evaluate my options and/or 'think' but tho I used to be totally frozen
its a lot less now.
So I will work on Acts chapter 6 again today.
And look forward to tomorrow. :-)
So in reality, in a true crisis, you do respond appropriately. It sounds like the times you freeze are generally only when someone is yelling in anger, and that could be considered appropriate for that kind of situation, which you noted when you said it can give you time to think and evaluate your options. One good thing you could do during those "think times" would be to think about the Lord and what He would say to you, such as: "do not fear my daughter, I am with you." And then just rest in His love.
Another thing that knowing you don't freeze at those other times tells me is that you can overcome the freezing if you want to. By that I mean if it's important to you to overcome it. I can understand where it might not be, as it doesn't seem to cause you or others any harm - unless you're dealing with fearful thoughts at the time or something like that. So if this ever becomes something you want to overcome, I'm sure you can. All you'd have to do to start with would be to begin focusing on the Lord and what He would say to you at that time.
I'm going to go ahead and post the next lesson for you now and then I'll take a look at Acts.
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Post by Cindy on Jan 10, 2019 12:12:06 GMT -5
you posted your acts study here by accident so I moved it to the acts thread for you.
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 11- A Beautiful Wife by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
Genesis 2:18-24
Ephesians 5:22-33
Colossians 3:18
1 Peter 3:1-6
1 Corinthians 7:1-5
Lesson 10 focused on our role as godly daughters. In lesson 11, we’ll be examining God’s design for women who are wives.
Questions to Consider
1. In lessons 2 and 3 (links above) we took a look at some of the attributes of a godly wife that we can emulate. Because Proverbs 31 mainly zeroes in on godly character, most of that passage easily applied to most women regardless of marital status. In today’s lesson, rather than attributes to emulate, we’ll be focusing on God’s instructions to obey for wives. Some of these instructions can also apply to unmarried women. Read over today’s passages and explain how unmarried women might apply some of these Scriptures. Why is it important for unmarried women to study passages about married women and vice versa?
2. Examine the Genesis 2 passage. What are the main points God is making about wives and marriage in this passage? What word does this passage use (18,20) to encapsulate a woman’s role in marriage? What does it mean for a woman to be a helper “fit for” or “corresponding to” her husband? Whom did God create first, man or woman? Second? Whom did God create to be the helper, man or woman? How do these two things point to and undergird male headship in marriage? Does the Genesis passage mean that all women have to marry or that the only purpose for which women were created was to be wives?
3. Look at the Ephesians and Colossians passages together. Explain how the relationship between husband and wife is a picture of the relationship between Christ and His church. Write a character sketch of a godly husband and a character sketch of a godly wife according to these passages. Why does God instruct husbands to “love” their wives, but wives to “respect” their husbands? (Ephesians 5:33) What is the difference, and why doesn’t God give the same instruction to husbands as to wives? What should motivate a wife to submit to her husband? Pretend you are discipling a newly married, newly saved woman who has never read these passages. How would you explain biblical submission to her? How is it “fitting in the Lord” (Colossians 3:18) to submit to your husband?
4. Study the 1 Peter passage. In 1 Peter 3:1, what is the spiritual state (lost or saved?) of the wives Peter is addressing? The husbands? Imagine Peter wrote this part of his letter to answer a question he had been asked by some of the women of the church. What was the question they asked? Carefully examine the end of verse 1. Does this mean a wife should never share the gospel with her unsaved husband and that he can be saved simply by watching her good behavior? What does it mean? How is biblical submission an aspect of holiness? (1 Peter 3:5) Some women believe they only have to submit to their husbands if their husbands are saved or if their husbands are acting in a godly way. How does this passage answer that misconception?
What does “adorning” (1 Peter 3:3-4) mean? Why and how do women usually adorn themselves? How are godly women to adorn themselves? For whom? Why? Explain external adorning versus internal adorning. Which do you think is more winsome to your husband? Compare 1 Peter 3:3-4 with 1 Samuel 16:1-13. Which is more important to God, the external or internal? Why?
Explain what it means to have a “gentle and quiet spirit“. (1 Peter 3:4) Can a woman with an outgoing, vivacious personality still have a gentle and quiet spirit? How? How is your spirit different from your personality? How should a godly spirit inform a godly personality? Explain why a gentle and quiet spirit is beautiful and how that beauty is imperishable. Why is a gentle and quiet spirit precious in God’s sight?
5. Make a list, in your own words, of God’s instructions about a husband’s and wife’s sexual relationship found in the 1 Corinthians 7 passage. God considered these instructions important enough to include in the Bible. Why? How is the marriage bed a protection against sexual temptation and sin? (1 Cor 7:2) How does this passage teach and emphasize the mutuality of the sexual relationship? Is this mutuality limited to the bedroom, or does it extend to other aspects of marriage? Explain the terms “rights” (1 Cor 7:3) and “authority” (1 Cor 7:4) in the context of this passage. In our culture, we most often think of sex in terms of pleasure or recreation. Is pleasure or recreation the main concern of this passage? What adjective would you choose to describe the perspective of this passage toward sex?
Homework
Consider the concepts each of today’s passages addresses: the husband’s headship, the wife’s role as helper, respecting your husband, submitting to your husband, your marriage imaging the relationship between Christ and the church, witnessing to an unsaved husband, external adornment vs. internal adornment, the sexual relationship, etc. Pinpoint one aspect you need growth in. Repent of any sin in this area, and spend the next week praying that God will grow you to more Christlikeness in this area. You may even wish to memorize and meditate on a verse you found particularly helpful.
Suggested Memory Verse
ESV: Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God’s sight is very precious. 1 Peter 3:3-4
NIV: “Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight.” (1 Peter 3:3–4)
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
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Post by fearnot on Jan 10, 2019 14:33:22 GMT -5
Question 1. Read over today’s passages and explain how unmarried women might apply some of these Scriptures.
Answer:
n Ephesians 5:33 it talks of the wife respecting her husband, an unmarried woman, might wish to respect ( not submit, because that is to a husband),
men in her family
( like her father, brother(s), uncles, grandfathers etc. this can include those men outside the family circle like a boss etc).
because she might be married one day and being respectful won't be such a hurdle,
but even more so, because submission ( in the sense of respect and honoring leadership), is key to all relationships,
but especially to God.
It is something our sinful nature cannot abide, but as born again believers we want to be respectful and can be, married or not.
Part of the problem people have I think, is submitting sounds like yielding do to force ( even violent force) when in fact, it is done out of love, concern for others, and and respect. Nor does it ever mean, a woman is to submit in anything that dishonors God.
Furthermore, if everyone pulls in their own direction, conflict and chaos will reign.
Married or not, submission builds Godly character and reflects to others, Jesus
( to the degree we submit, are humble, gentle, not loud and boisterous, modest, meek ( not weak, meek) etc.
Plus to do so will trust and honor God.
Why is it important for unmarried women to study passages about married women and vice versa?
Answer:
We all need to summit to the laws and those who uphold them ( if we choose to go over the speed limit an policeman may stop us, and we have to submit to getting a ticket and going to court for one small example...so learning to have respect and submitting is for all woman, married or not).
We all need to allow the Lord to grow us out of self-centered-ness
Also God says that : "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness"
2 Timothy 3:16
Like the Bereans married and unmarried woman are to exam the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so ( are so).
"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it" (Matthew 16:25).
and a married woman might some day due to being widowed etc.
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Post by fearnot on Jan 11, 2019 11:21:41 GMT -5
Question 2.
Examine the Genesis 2 passage.
18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.” 19 Now out of the ground the Lord God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 22 And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said,
“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh".
What are the main points God is making about wives and marriage in this passage?
Answer:
Wives are to be helpers
and
people leave their father and mother's home, to start their married life.
What word does this passage use (18,20) to encapsulate a woman’s role in marriage?
Answer:
helper
What does it mean for a woman to be a helper “fit for” or “corresponding to” her husband?
Answer:
She compliments him because she has God given gifts that her husband either does not have, or does not have the time to use them, because of his work etc.
For example taking care of the home.....tho many men are good cooks, but the husbands simply don't have time because of work etc.
Also, being her husband's helper keeps order instead of conflict and chaos in their marriage. It is not a deeming position, as even the angels and God the Holy Spirit are 'helpers'. Furthermore, her husband is also under leadership as Jesus is the head of the husband ( well the wife too, so in a sense I guess, she has 2 leaders and protectors, and providers).
If we look to Jesus as our example, Jesus, Himself became a servant/helper even, so caring for someone else other than ourselves, is not deeming. Also Jesus while on earth was submissive to God the Father.
Jesus is also called a friend and so a wife is suited to be her husband's friend also.
Also by praying for him.
Helper (even servant) can be looked at as another way of caring and loving a person....husband.
Whom did God create first, man or woman? Second? Whom did God create to be the helper, man or woman?
Answer:
man
woman
woman
How do these two things point to and undergird male headship in marriage?
Answer:
This is God's plan.
Does the Genesis passage mean that all women have to marry or that the only purpose for which women were created was to be wives?
Answer:
No not all women have to marry. Those that do marry, are to put God first, and then their marriage/husband, family, but they can have other interests, hobbies, etc.
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Post by Cindy on Jan 11, 2019 13:18:10 GMT -5
Question 1. Read over today’s passages and explain how unmarried women might apply some of these Scriptures.
Answer:
n Ephesians 5:33 it talks of the wife respecting her husband, an unmarried woman, might wish to respect ( not submit, because that is to a husband),
men in her family
( like her father, brother(s), uncles, grandfathers etc. this can include those men outside the family circle like a boss etc).
because she might be married one day and being respectful won't be such a hurdle,
but even more so, because submission ( in the sense of respect and honoring leadership), is key to all relationships,
but especially to God.
It is something our sinful nature cannot abide, but as born again believers we want to be respectful and can be, married or not.
Part of the problem people have I think, is submitting sounds like yielding do to force ( even violent force) when in fact, it is done out of love, concern for others, and and respect. Nor does it ever mean, a woman is to submit in anything that dishonors God.
Furthermore, if everyone pulls in their own direction, conflict and chaos will reign.
Married or not, submission builds Godly character and reflects to others, Jesus
( to the degree we submit, are humble, gentle, not loud and boisterous, modest, meek ( not weak, meek) etc.
Plus to do so will trust and honor God.
Why is it important for unmarried women to study passages about married women and vice versa?
Answer:
We all need to summit to the laws and those who uphold them ( if we choose to go over the speed limit an policeman may stop us, and we have to submit to getting a ticket and going to court for one small example...so learning to have respect and submitting is for all woman, married or not).
We all need to allow the Lord to grow us out of self-centered-ness
Also God says that : "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness"
2 Timothy 3:16
Like the Bereans married and unmarried woman are to exam the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so ( are so).
"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it" (Matthew 16:25).
and a married woman might some day due to being widowed etc.
because she might be married one day and being respectful won't be such a hurdle,
Everything else you said was right on and very good. It actually sounds like you know she should submit to all others, so I'm not sure if the above was a mistake or if they way you put it toward the very end of what you wrote was a mistake..... So.....
She should also submit to them even though they aren't her husband. Why? Because we're told: “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.” (Ephesians 5:21)
“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.” (1 Timothy 2:11)
“Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority,” (1 Peter 2:13)
Here it's speaking of spiritual leaders: “Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. ....” (Hebrews 13:17)
“Young men, in the same way be submissive to those who are older. All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”” (1 Peter 5:5)
This speaks of employers as well as "masters": “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.” (1 Peter 2:18)
I love what Wiersbe says about submission:
When Jesus washed their feet, He taught them that the greatest is the person who uses his authority to build up people and not, like the Pharisees, to build up his authority and make himself important. We are to esteem others “more important than ourselves” (Rom 12:10; Phil. 2:1–4). By nature, we want to promote ourselves, but the Holy Spirit enables us to submit ourselves. The Bible exposition commentary
The bottom line is that adult Christian women, married or unmarried, should submit to every adult, (unless they're wanting her to do something against God's Will.)
Your answer to, Why is it important for unmarried women to study passages about married women and vice versa? was good too. I think it's important because every verse, regardless of who it's talking about, can teach us more about God and more about ourselves. If we don't read and study ALL of the Bible, we won't have a full picture of what God is like and therefore won't know Him as well as we could. Plus, we'd miss things like this:
“Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:21–22) where we're first told to submit to one another and then wives are told to submit to their husbands. We wouldn't know to wonder why the Lord felt He needed to add the part about wives and husbands when He'd already told us to submit to everyone, so we wouldn't ask the Lord about it, and we'd miss out on His answer from His Word where we would see that verse 21 was the command and the next verses are illustrating it.
Question 2.
Examine the Genesis 2 passage.
18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.” 19 Now out of the ground the Lord God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 22 And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said,
“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh".
What are the main points God is making about wives and marriage in this passage?
Answer:
Wives are to be helpers
and
people leave their father and mother's home, to start their married life.
What word does this passage use (18,20) to encapsulate a woman’s role in marriage?
Answer:
helper
What does it mean for a woman to be a helper “fit for” or “corresponding to” her husband?
Answer:
She compliments him because she has God given gifts that her husband either does not have, or does not have the time to use them, because of his work etc.
For example taking care of the home.....tho many men are good cooks, but the husbands simply don't have time because of work etc.
Also, being her husband's helper keeps order instead of conflict and chaos in their marriage. It is not a deeming position, as even the angels and God the Holy Spirit are 'helpers'. Furthermore, her husband is also under leadership as Jesus is the head of the husband ( well the wife too, so in a sense I guess, she has 2 leaders and protectors, and providers).
If we look to Jesus as our example, Jesus, Himself became a servant/helper even, so caring for someone else other than ourselves, is not deeming. Also Jesus while on earth was submissive to God the Father.
Jesus is also called a friend and so a wife is suited to be her husband's friend also.
Also by praying for him.
Helper (even servant) can be looked at as another way of caring and loving a person....husband.
Whom did God create first, man or woman? Second? Whom did God create to be the helper, man or woman?
Answer:
man
woman
woman
How do these two things point to and undergird male headship in marriage?
Answer:
This is God's plan.
Does the Genesis passage mean that all women have to marry or that the only purpose for which women were created was to be wives?
Answer:
No not all women have to marry. Those that do marry, are to put God first, and then their marriage/husband, family, but they can have other interests, hobbies, etc.
I love what MacArthur says about Genesis 2:18, which goes along with the question about, What does it mean for a woman to be a helper “fit for” or “corresponding to” her husband?
The words of this verse emphasize man’s need for a companion, a helper, and an equal. He was incomplete without someone to complement him in fulfilling the task of filling, multiplying, and taking dominion over the earth. This points to Adam’s inadequacy, not Eve’s insufficiency (cf. 1Co 11:9). Woman was made by God to meet man’s deficiency (cf. 1Ti 2:14). The MacArthur study Bible
You missed a question...well you just said it was God's plan, but that isn't what the question asked: How do these two things (who God created first, and who was created to be the helper) point to and undergird male headship in marriage?
and on the last question: Does the Genesis passage mean that all women have to marry? You answered this part of it, but not the second part:
or that the only purpose for which women were created was to be wives? Or another way of putting it, after answering yes or no, would be, what other purpose is there for women?
Sorry hon, I'm having a very rough day...actually been having a rough week. I think it's a flare up...you know the kind that lasts two weeks or so? Anyway, I've got to get going as I'm real far behind yet again today! Hope you're feeling better! Love you! 
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Post by fearnot on Jan 11, 2019 17:07:14 GMT -5
I am so sorry you are feeling badly. I keep trying to remember there are lessons to be learned and a closer walk with the Lord, but when I am in pain, it is still a struggle. It seems to me like pain demands to be first, to have all my attention....and I don't like it. I get weary and discouraged sometimes as it seems to beat me down.
I do pray you will begin to feel better.
I know someday, we will all be done with pain ( of any kind) forever...but if you could feel a lot better, even if perfect, may not be in the 'cards' so to speak.
I answer the first question, the way I did because, I was thinking tho woman ( and men) are to submit to each other...
there is a 'different' kind of submitting, in some ways, that a woman might only submit to her husband.
Like if some man at church were to say to her, I want you to come to my house before dawn each day for the rest of your life and cook, and clean etc for me, she would not be able to ( she might be able to for a time, if he were sick, and her husband agreed, and other woman would be helping....( but probably not be alone with him for long extended periods of time) things like that.
I really couldn't think of the answer exactly for:
"How do these two things (who God created first, and who was created to be the helper) point to and undergird male headship in marriage?
The only thing I could think of is that is the way God planned it. I know Eve was the one who got out of that when she made decisions without her husband, that plunged us all into sin and darkness....she did not ask Adam as the head of their marriage anything about the serpent until it was too late and she invited him to sin also.....if she had asked Adam or God things might have turned out different?
I think all woman can grow to be more like Jesus, kind, compassionate etc etc.
So even if a woman does not marry, she may be a school teacher or a nurse etc etc.
She will still have authority over her in whatever job she may pursue and will have to submit ( or be reprimanded or fired.)
But as a godly woman, she will want to do her work to the best of her ability with love and respectfulness.
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Post by fearnot on Jan 11, 2019 17:29:19 GMT -5
question 3.
Look at the Ephesians and Colossians passages together. Explain how the relationship between husband and wife is a picture of the relationship between Christ and His church
Answer:
Both are to be based on love and respect.
The church is to submit to Christ, trusting and knowing he has her best interests at heart, and Jesus loves the believers.
Husbands are to love their wives, and wives submit to the husband trusting his love for her. The goal is NOT to be domineering, chauvinistic, slave driving, bully, little tin king but for the husband to love the wife, like Jesus loves the church ( Jesus was never any of those things, yet as God, He is the ultimate leader).
The church among other things in following Jesus, follows His example while on earth of having a servants heart....doing for others, out of love, instead of a 'me first'. self-centeredness,
The wife is not to be argumentative, nagging, independent, loud, brassy, angry, demanding her own way, etc. woman .
Write a character sketch of a godly husband and a character sketch of a godly wife according to these passages
Answer:
The first thing for both the husband and wife would be they love, worship, and obey God, as their first priority.
The Husband:
Therefore he would study God's Word and pray on a daily basis, and would lead his wife and children in Bible study and prayer ( tho they would also do this on their own).
So the husband would love God first, then his wife and then his children, then family and friends, strangers and even his enemies.
He would be ever growing more like Jesus, kind, compassionate, loyal, honest, forgiving, willing to die for his loved ones.
He is generous and loving.
He would be a protector and provider, therefore is a diligent and hard worker.
He would be brave, fearing God and not man.
He would be humble and not proud, arrogant, cruel, boastful etc.
He has concern for the needy and oppressed.
Does not swear or use God's name in vain.
Jesus is his model for his life and character.
he is faithful and next to God his wife and family come first ( not his buddies, or his hobbies, or entertainments, nor things like drinking, drugs etc.)
The Wife
God is first and husband, next, then children, rest of family and friends, strangers and even enemies.
She has a servant's heart, and submits to her husband ( this does not mean she is an abused doormat).
She is her husband's helper, she does not demean, humiliate, harangue , nag, and constantly tear him down, but rather supports him and builds him up.
She is trustworthy and a good friend to her husband.
She knows when to offer tactful, wise council ( as she would to any friend...not because she is frighten of her husband)....
kindness in action and words, is part of her character.
She does not chaff at being under authority ( as a mark of maturity, we are all under some kind of authority), she rather feels safe and free ( as she is even more so under the Lord's authority).
Why does God instruct husbands to “love” their wives, but wives to “respect” their husbands? (Ephesians 5:33) What is the difference, and why doesn’t God give the same instruction to husbands as to wives?
Answer:
I am thinking, maybe, it is because men and woman are so basically different.
Woman have more need for love ....men need love too of course, but respect is perhaps a greater need for men.
If a man were just to be respectful of a woman/wife, but did not make love the first priority, she would be hurt, whereas, if a woman/wife, gave her husband love, but not respect, he might feel demeaned, like a little boy.
What should motivate a wife to submit to her husband?
Answer:
Wanting to please God, wanting to show love to her husband, by the respect, wanting to grow in her own character ( not full of self centered, independent, rebellion).
Pretend you are discipling a newly married, newly saved woman who has never read these passages. How would you explain biblical submission to her?
Answer:
I think I have written a lot about it already.
I would probably talk about how when Jesus was on the earth, tho equal with God ( he was 100 % God and 100% man) He choose to submit to God the Father.
It is a choice.
So too when we yield our way to God we are truly blessed and so we will be in this also.
It is a choice one would make for many reasons.
It is not a choice because woman are considered lesser in intelligence, or in God's eyes as Galatians 3:28 says:
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus".
Also scripture says in Genesis, that God created male and female in His image ( not just the man in His image)
However if everybody did what was right in their own eyes, chaos would reign.
We want to pull together in the same direction to have peace, harmony and love.
If you had a cart and two animals were pulling it, but they both decided to go in opposite directions....well, that would not work!
You have become part of a 'team' (you and your husband), the 'individual' (me-ism) is not the main thing...which points us to our bond with Jesus.
But in life we are always under some type of leadership and someone has to make the final decision....be it patent, boss, president, or in this case a wife's husband...
and always God.
How is it “fitting in the Lord” (Colossians 3:18) to submit to your husband?
Answer:
With the Lord, there is right and wrong....it is right for a wife to submit to her husband. The motive for doing so, is to please the Lord, as an act of love to Jesus...
not because you are weak, fragile, inferior, less intelligent, a door mat or any other such thing). This has nothing to do with the wife's abilities, many wives are in fact, a great deal more gifted in areas than the husband.
Jesus submitted Himself ( tho He was God the Son) to the Father....out of love.
He did it out of love for us and we do it for the same reason, and thus it is fitting we do this out of love ( not to mention it avoids chaos, anger, confusion, hurts, inability to get things done etc.)
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Post by fearnot on Jan 13, 2019 10:47:26 GMT -5
Question 4.
Study the 1 Peter 3:1-6 passage.
"Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, 2 when they see your respectful and pure conduct. 3 Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— 4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. 5 For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, 6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening".
In 1 Peter 3:1, what is the spiritual state (lost or saved?) of the wives Peter is addressing? The husbands?
Answer:
Saved
I lean more to lost but perhaps some are just not obeying the Word.
Imagine Peter wrote this part of his letter to answer a question he had been asked by some of the women of the church. What was the question they asked?
Answer:
What do we do now that we are saved because when we married both our husbands and we the wives, were both lost.
Carefully examine the end of verse 1. Does this mean a wife should never share the gospel with her unsaved husband and that he can be saved simply by watching her good behavior?
What does it mean?
Answer:
I think it means that wordy nagging does not usually convert anyone, especially if the one speaking is a hypocrite that only 'talks the talk, but does not walk the walk'.
As James 2:14 says:
"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? "
( Not that 'works' saves a person, but once they are saved, they need to grow in the works the Lord has for them and be maturing as a born again Christian).
If your husband does not see a real difference in your behavior, loving, respectful, kind, servant's heart, etc. he could really question what use is it.
However, it does not mean, a wife can never share the gospel with words, for it is God's Word, ( which is God) that convicts a person....the Word of God is powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword.
Still an unconverted husband will most likely not be won by constant nagging coupled with a wife's unkind behavior.
How is biblical submission an aspect of holiness? (1 Peter 3:5)
Answer:
First, I think it is because it is trusting God, who said to submit. When we obey and trust God, that is an aspect of holiness.
Submission is respectful, rather than rebellious, which is also an aspect of holiness.
When God tells us to do something, we know it is right, and doing what is right is another aspect of holiness.
We are taming or sinful pride which is a type of holiness also.
Some women believe they only have to submit to their husbands if their husbands are saved or if their husbands are acting in a godly way. How does this passage answer that misconception?
Answer:
Because this about unsaved husbands or those who are perhaps saved but not obeying the word.
What does “adorning” (1 Peter 3:3-4) mean?
Why and how do women usually adorn themselves?
How are godly women to adorn themselves?
For whom? Why?
Answer:
Adoring in this passage, I think, seems to be the 'whole package' of a woman trying to win her unsaved husband ( or even influence her saved, but not obedient husband) by her outward beauty. She spends hours fixing her hair, and clothing and accessories. In a sense, she is appealing to his fallen lust nature, she is using the world's method only.
Such a display, can in some ways, make it hard for the husband to 'hear' the real message.
so a godly woman, depends on being modest, clean, simple ( like Ruth and Esther did for example) etc.
and more on a sweet, loving, kind, polite, humble, nature that does not detract from the Lord, by a more cheap, gaudy, 'sexy' worldly display.
Explain external adorning versus internal adorning.
Answer:
Adorning is the outward, physical putting on of material things, internal adorning is one's godly Biblical thoughts, actions, characteristics.
Which do you think is more winsome to your husband?
Answer:
I think perhaps men too are sometimes caught in the world's constant barrage of phyical beauty, but it is momentary. Because a wife ( or any woman) who is almost totally about 'self', their physical adornments, and little else, is generally not winsome or easy to live with. So I would say internal for the most part ( tho slovenliness is not winsome either...which of course, is not what we are talking about anyway).
Compare 1 Peter 3:3-4 with 1 Samuel 16:1-13. Which is more important to God, the external or internal? Why?
Answer:
Definitely internal...there is no real substance to outward adornment, it is selfish, vain, and not focused on the love and worship of God. It often is not even kind or compassionate to others even.
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Explain what it means to have a “gentle and quiet spirit“. (1 Peter 3:4)
Can a woman with an outgoing, vivacious personality still have a gentle and quiet spirit? How?
Answer:
An outgoing, vivacious woman can still have a gentle and quiet spirit.
Gentleness is not overshadowed by being outgoing
and I am thinking a quiet spirit does not necessarily mean you have to talk in whispers, but has more to do with peacefully trusting in the Lord, and being more like Jesus.
A vivacious person can still be humble and sacrificing, helping with compassion etc.
How is your spirit different from your personality?
Answer:
A person's personality can be vivacious and outgoing, or shy and timid, hands on, or bookworm, but one spirit, is as you grow more like Jesus, in love, joy, peace, patience etc....no matter you personality, you can grow more like Jesus in your spirit.
How should a godly spirit inform a godly personality?
Answer:
It can effect the decisions you make, help you through trials, help you have more of a servant's heart, keep your eyes on Jesus, influence who you choose as friends or a mate, how you parent, what your goals are in your life, how to treat non believer's and even enemies, etc.
Explain why a gentle and quiet spirit is beautiful and how that beauty is imperishable.
Answer:
Most of today's worldly ways of a rebellious feminist is:
tough, crude, argumentative, wild behavior, proud, boasting, me first, lewd type of 'sexy', in your face attitude, pushy, obnoxious etc etc. these are not beautiful ( even if the outward body is 'beautiful') these attitudes can make a woman cold, hard, calculating, mean spirited etc.
as opposed a quite and gentle spirit, which does not fade and is true beauty being: gentle, kind, virtuous, loving, helpful, compassionate, respectful, modest, slow to anger, patient, etc.
Why is a gentle and quiet spirit precious in God’s sight?
Answer:
It is more like Jesus, it is growing in love and holiness.
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Post by fearnot on Jan 13, 2019 22:08:47 GMT -5
We went to church today and the pastor preached on just one verse:
Colossians: 3:18
"Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord".
That always amazes me when that happens LOL
And so he talked about submission...what it is not, and what it is. It was very good!!
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Post by Cindy on Jan 14, 2019 14:13:30 GMT -5
I am so sorry you are feeling badly. I keep trying to remember there are lessons to be learned and a closer walk with the Lord, but when I am in pain, it is still a struggle. It seems to me like pain demands to be first, to have all my attention....and I don't like it. I get weary and discouraged sometimes as it seems to beat me down.
I do pray you will begin to feel better.
I know someday, we will all be done with pain ( of any kind) forever...but if you could feel a lot better, even if perfect, may not be in the 'cards' so to speak.
I answer the first question, the way I did because, I was thinking tho woman ( and men) are to submit to each other...
there is a 'different' kind of submitting, in some ways, that a woman might only submit to her husband.
Like if some man at church were to say to her, I want you to come to my house before dawn each day for the rest of your life and cook, and clean etc for me, she would not be able to ( she might be able to for a time, if he were sick, and her husband agreed, and other woman would be helping....( but probably not be alone with him for long extended periods of time) things like that.
I really couldn't think of the answer exactly for:
"How do these two things (who God created first, and who was created to be the helper) point to and undergird male headship in marriage?
The only thing I could think of is that is the way God planned it. I know Eve was the one who got out of that when she made decisions without her husband, that plunged us all into sin and darkness....she did not ask Adam as the head of their marriage anything about the serpent until it was too late and she invited him to sin also.....if she had asked Adam or God things might have turned out different?
I think all woman can grow to be more like Jesus, kind, compassionate etc etc.
So even if a woman does not marry, she may be a school teacher or a nurse etc etc.
She will still have authority over her in whatever job she may pursue and will have to submit ( or be reprimanded or fired.)
But as a godly woman, she will want to do her work to the best of her ability with love and respectfulness.
In order to answer the question we have to first answer the two before it (which you did) Those two questions were, "whom did God create first?" and whom did God create to be the helper?" God created the man first, and He created the woman to be the helper. Now for the question you didn't answer: "how do those two things point to and undergird male headship in marriage?"
In those verses we see that man was created and God said it was good, but he was incomplete as there was no one that could help him. None of the animals could be his helper as none were like him. We're also told that God gave man dominion over all He had created. God created a woman for Adam so he would be complete and would have someone to be his helper. At no time did God tell the woman that she had dominion over everything He'd made, but she was to help Adam in his dominion over all. This points to and undergirds male headship in marriage because we realize that man was created first and given dominion over all, but that he needed help to carry out the Lord's commands,(Genesis 1:28) which is the role He created women for & why she was created second. It shows us that both are equal, but both have different roles to play, and that woman's role is to be a helper to her husband.
I'm afraid i can't think straight right now because I'm so far behind and need to get going. But this should give you and idea of what the answer is anyway. I'm sure you can improve on it!
Next is: Does the Genesis passage mean that the only purpose for which women were created was to be wives? Or another way of putting it, after answering yes or no, would be, what other purpose is there for women? Your answer is good and right, but her question is still about the Genesis 2:18-24 passage. She wants your answer to come from reflecting on that passage....
I'll tackle it tomorrow after you've had a shot at it. and hopefully I'll have more time!
question 3.
Look at the Ephesians and Colossians passages together. Explain how the relationship between husband and wife is a picture of the relationship between Christ and His church
Answer:
Both are to be based on love and respect.
The church is to submit to Christ, trusting and knowing he has her best interests at heart, and Jesus loves the believers.
Husbands are to love their wives, and wives submit to the husband trusting his love for her. The goal is NOT to be domineering, chauvinistic, slave driving, bully, little tin king but for the husband to love the wife, like Jesus loves the church ( Jesus was never any of those things, yet as God, He is the ultimate leader).
The church among other things in following Jesus, follows His example while on earth of having a servants heart....doing for others, out of love, instead of a 'me first'. self-centeredness,
The wife is not to be argumentative, nagging, independent, loud, brassy, angry, demanding her own way, etc. woman .
Write a character sketch of a godly husband and a character sketch of a godly wife according to these passages
Answer:
The first thing for both the husband and wife would be they love, worship, and obey God, as their first priority.
The Husband:
Therefore he would study God's Word and pray on a daily basis, and would lead his wife and children in Bible study and prayer ( tho they would also do this on their own).
So the husband would love God first, then his wife and then his children, then family and friends, strangers and even his enemies.
He would be ever growing more like Jesus, kind, compassionate, loyal, honest, forgiving, willing to die for his loved ones.
He is generous and loving.
He would be a protector and provider, therefore is a diligent and hard worker.
He would be brave, fearing God and not man.
He would be humble and not proud, arrogant, cruel, boastful etc.
He has concern for the needy and oppressed.
Does not swear or use God's name in vain.
Jesus is his model for his life and character.
he is faithful and next to God his wife and family come first ( not his buddies, or his hobbies, or entertainments, nor things like drinking, drugs etc.)
The Wife
God is first and husband, next, then children, rest of family and friends, strangers and even enemies.
She has a servant's heart, and submits to her husband ( this does not mean she is an abused doormat).
She is her husband's helper, she does not demean, humiliate, harangue , nag, and constantly tear him down, but rather supports him and builds him up.
She is trustworthy and a good friend to her husband.
She knows when to offer tactful, wise council ( as she would to any friend...not because she is frighten of her husband)....
kindness in action and words, is part of her character.
She does not chaff at being under authority ( as a mark of maturity, we are all under some kind of authority), she rather feels safe and free ( as she is even more so under the Lord's authority).
Why does God instruct husbands to “love” their wives, but wives to “respect” their husbands? (Ephesians 5:33) What is the difference, and why doesn’t God give the same instruction to husbands as to wives?
Answer:
I am thinking, maybe, it is because men and woman are so basically different.
Woman have more need for love ....men need love too of course, but respect is perhaps a greater need for men.
If a man were just to be respectful of a woman/wife, but did not make love the first priority, she would be hurt, whereas, if a woman/wife, gave her husband love, but not respect, he might feel demeaned, like a little boy.
What should motivate a wife to submit to her husband?
Answer:
Wanting to please God, wanting to show love to her husband, by the respect, wanting to grow in her own character ( not full of self centered, independent, rebellion).
Pretend you are discipling a newly married, newly saved woman who has never read these passages. How would you explain biblical submission to her?
Answer:
I think I have written a lot about it already.
I would probably talk about how when Jesus was on the earth, tho equal with God ( he was 100 % God and 100% man) He choose to submit to God the Father.
It is a choice.
So too when we yield our way to God we are truly blessed and so we will be in this also.
It is a choice one would make for many reasons.
It is not a choice because woman are considered lesser in intelligence, or in God's eyes as Galatians 3:28 says:
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus".
Also scripture says in Genesis, that God created male and female in His image ( not just the man in His image)
However if everybody did what was right in their own eyes, chaos would reign.
We want to pull together in the same direction to have peace, harmony and love.
If you had a cart and two animals were pulling it, but they both decided to go in opposite directions....well, that would not work!
You have become part of a 'team' (you and your husband), the 'individual' (me-ism) is not the main thing...which points us to our bond with Jesus.
But in life we are always under some type of leadership and someone has to make the final decision....be it patent, boss, president, or in this case a wife's husband...
and always God.
How is it “fitting in the Lord” (Colossians 3:18) to submit to your husband?
Answer:
With the Lord, there is right and wrong....it is right for a wife to submit to her husband. The motive for doing so, is to please the Lord, as an act of love to Jesus...
not because you are weak, fragile, inferior, less intelligent, a door mat or any other such thing). This has nothing to do with the wife's abilities, many wives are in fact, a great deal more gifted in areas than the husband.
Jesus submitted Himself ( tho He was God the Son) to the Father....out of love.
He did it out of love for us and we do it for the same reason, and thus it is fitting we do this out of love ( not to mention it avoids chaos, anger, confusion, hurts, inability to get things done etc.)
Women are told to respect their husbands because respect leads to submission, which is also what they're commanded to do. Since women don't like to submit, this command, when obeyed, puts them in a position to submit. Men need to know how to love their wife, so they're commanded to love them as they love themselves. This prevents the man from lording it over his wife and being demanding or abusive. Headship is servanthood.
About the question: How is it “fitting in the Lord” (Colossians 3:18) to submit to your husband?
NIV | Col 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
AV | Col 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
NASB95 | Col 3:18 Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
Your answer was very good, but the commentaries show this a different way. I thought this one explained it the most clearly: “as is fitting in the Lord” The Ephesian parallel has “as to the Lord.” The TEV translates the phrase as “for that is what you should do as Christians” (cf. Col 3:20). Believers should treat others in loving, submitting ways not because others deserve it, but because they are Christians (cf. Col 3:23–25). The Spirit allows fallen mankind to redirect his self-centeredness into other-centeredness, as Jesus did (cf. 2 Cor. 5:14–15; 1 John 3:16). Paul Bound, the Gospel Unbound
“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)
“As to the Lord” Because the obedient, spiritual wife’s supreme submission is to the Lord, her attitude is that she lovingly submits as an act of obedience to the Lord who has given this command as His will for her, regardless of her husband’s personal worthiness or spiritual condition. The MacArthur study Bible
Question 4.
Study the 1 Peter 3:1-6 passage.
"Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, 2 when they see your respectful and pure conduct. 3 Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— 4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. 5 For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, 6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening".
In 1 Peter 3:1, what is the spiritual state (lost or saved?) of the wives Peter is addressing? The husbands?
Answer:
Saved
I lean more to lost but perhaps some are just not obeying the Word.
Imagine Peter wrote this part of his letter to answer a question he had been asked by some of the women of the church. What was the question they asked?
Answer:
What do we do now that we are saved because when we married both our husbands and we the wives, were both lost.
Carefully examine the end of verse 1. Does this mean a wife should never share the gospel with her unsaved husband and that he can be saved simply by watching her good behavior?
What does it mean?
Answer:
I think it means that wordy nagging does not usually convert anyone, especially if the one speaking is a hypocrite that only 'talks the talk, but does not walk the walk'.
As James 2:14 says:
"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? "
( Not that 'works' saves a person, but once they are saved, they need to grow in the works the Lord has for them and be maturing as a born again Christian).
If your husband does not see a real difference in your behavior, loving, respectful, kind, servant's heart, etc. he could really question what use is it.
However, it does not mean, a wife can never share the gospel with words, for it is God's Word, ( which is God) that convicts a person....the Word of God is powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword.
Still an unconverted husband will most likely not be won by constant nagging coupled with a wife's unkind behavior.
How is biblical submission an aspect of holiness? (1 Peter 3:5)
Answer:
First, I think it is because it is trusting God, who said to submit. When we obey and trust God, that is an aspect of holiness.
Submission is respectful, rather than rebellious, which is also an aspect of holiness.
When God tells us to do something, we know it is right, and doing what is right is another aspect of holiness.
We are taming or sinful pride which is a type of holiness also.
Some women believe they only have to submit to their husbands if their husbands are saved or if their husbands are acting in a godly way. How does this passage answer that misconception?
Answer:
Because this about unsaved husbands or those who are perhaps saved but not obeying the word.
What does “adorning” (1 Peter 3:3-4) mean?
Why and how do women usually adorn themselves?
How are godly women to adorn themselves?
For whom? Why?
Answer:
Adoring in this passage, I think, seems to be the 'whole package' of a woman trying to win her unsaved husband ( or even influence her saved, but not obedient husband) by her outward beauty. She spends hours fixing her hair, and clothing and accessories. In a sense, she is appealing to his fallen lust nature, she is using the world's method only.
Such a display, can in some ways, make it hard for the husband to 'hear' the real message.
so a godly woman, depends on being modest, clean, simple ( like Ruth and Esther did for example) etc.
and more on a sweet, loving, kind, polite, humble, nature that does not detract from the Lord, by a more cheap, gaudy, 'sexy' worldly display.
Explain external adorning versus internal adorning.
Answer:
Adorning is the outward, physical putting on of material things, internal adorning is one's godly Biblical thoughts, actions, characteristics.
Which do you think is more winsome to your husband?
Answer:
I think perhaps men too are sometimes caught in the world's constant barrage of phyical beauty, but it is momentary. Because a wife ( or any woman) who is almost totally about 'self', their physical adornments, and little else, is generally not winsome or easy to live with. So I would say internal for the most part ( tho slovenliness is not winsome either...which of course, is not what we are talking about anyway).
Compare 1 Peter 3:3-4 with 1 Samuel 16:1-13. Which is more important to God, the external or internal? Why?
Answer:
Definitely internal...there is no real substance to outward adornment, it is selfish, vain, and not focused on the love and worship of God. It often is not even kind or compassionate to others even.
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Explain what it means to have a “gentle and quiet spirit“. (1 Peter 3:4)
Can a woman with an outgoing, vivacious personality still have a gentle and quiet spirit? How?
Answer:
An outgoing, vivacious woman can still have a gentle and quiet spirit.
Gentleness is not overshadowed by being outgoing
and I am thinking a quiet spirit does not necessarily mean you have to talk in whispers, but has more to do with peacefully trusting in the Lord, and being more like Jesus.
A vivacious person can still be humble and sacrificing, helping with compassion etc.
How is your spirit different from your personality?
Answer:
A person's personality can be vivacious and outgoing, or shy and timid, hands on, or bookworm, but one spirit, is as you grow more like Jesus, in love, joy, peace, patience etc....no matter you personality, you can grow more like Jesus in your spirit.
How should a godly spirit inform a godly personality?
Answer:
It can effect the decisions you make, help you through trials, help you have more of a servant's heart, keep your eyes on Jesus, influence who you choose as friends or a mate, how you parent, what your goals are in your life, how to treat non believer's and even enemies, etc.
Explain why a gentle and quiet spirit is beautiful and how that beauty is imperishable.
Answer:
Most of today's worldly ways of a rebellious feminist is:
tough, crude, argumentative, wild behavior, proud, boasting, me first, lewd type of 'sexy', in your face attitude, pushy, obnoxious etc etc. these are not beautiful ( even if the outward body is 'beautiful') these attitudes can make a woman cold, hard, calculating, mean spirited etc.
as opposed a quite and gentle spirit, which does not fade and is true beauty being: gentle, kind, virtuous, loving, helpful, compassionate, respectful, modest, slow to anger, patient, etc.
Why is a gentle and quiet spirit precious in God’s sight?
Answer:
It is more like Jesus, it is growing in love and holiness.
We went to church today and the pastor preached on just one verse:
Colossians: 3:18
"Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord".
That always amazes me when that happens LOL
And so he talked about submission...what it is not, and what it is. It was very good!!  I love it when that happens LOL I love the Lord's sense of humor too! |
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Post by fearnot on Jan 14, 2019 16:39:38 GMT -5
Question 5.
Make a list, in your own words, of God’s instructions about a husband’s and wife’s sexual relationship found in the 1 Corinthians 7 passage.
Answer:
Not being married or having sex is not a bad thing ( one can focus totally on the Lord)
But because sexual temptation is so strong, then both men and woman ought to have one mate.
Once married they do not have authority over their bodies but need to give each other their conjugal rights...except if they both agree, for a time, not too.
This is too keep satan from tempting each other.
God considered these instructions important enough to include in the Bible. Why? How is the marriage bed a protection against sexual temptation and sin? (1 Cor 7:2)
Answer:
Because sexual temptation is so strong, and satan takes advantage of it.
Also it is a part of loving, and submitting and at times sacrifice.
When you have a mate, a partner, the temptation to sin sexually is diminished or eradicated.
How does this passage teach and emphasize the mutuality of the sexual relationship?
Answer:
It speaks to both the husband and the wife.
Is this mutuality limited to the bedroom, or does it extend to other aspects of marriage? Explain the terms “rights” (1 Cor 7:3) and “authority” (1 Cor 7:4) in the context of this passage.
Answer:
I would think it would extend to other aspects of marriage.
Once again I am not 'getting it'.
I was thinking tho, if one's 'rights' and authority belong to each other.....then that would negate, having multiple wives, or mistresses or adultery.
In our culture, we most often think of sex in terms of pleasure or recreation. Is pleasure or recreation the main concern of this passage? What adjective would you choose to describe the perspective of this passage toward sex?
Answer:
Not the main concern,
'loving'
each other
(and obedience to God).
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Post by fearnot on Jan 14, 2019 21:00:04 GMT -5
So tomorrow I will go back to Acts, until the new one appears :-)
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Post by Cindy on Jan 15, 2019 12:08:20 GMT -5
Question 4.
Study the 1 Peter 3:1-6 passage.
"Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, 2 when they see your respectful and pure conduct. 3 Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— 4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. 5 For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, 6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening".
In 1 Peter 3:1, what is the spiritual state (lost or saved?) of the wives Peter is addressing? The husbands?
Answer:
Saved
I lean more to lost but perhaps some are just not obeying the Word.
Imagine Peter wrote this part of his letter to answer a question he had been asked by some of the women of the church. What was the question they asked?
Answer:
What do we do now that we are saved because when we married both our husbands and we the wives, were both lost.
Carefully examine the end of verse 1. Does this mean a wife should never share the gospel with her unsaved husband and that he can be saved simply by watching her good behavior?
What does it mean?
Answer:
I think it means that wordy nagging does not usually convert anyone, especially if the one speaking is a hypocrite that only 'talks the talk, but does not walk the walk'.
As James 2:14 says:
"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? "
( Not that 'works' saves a person, but once they are saved, they need to grow in the works the Lord has for them and be maturing as a born again Christian).
If your husband does not see a real difference in your behavior, loving, respectful, kind, servant's heart, etc. he could really question what use is it.
However, it does not mean, a wife can never share the gospel with words, for it is God's Word, ( which is God) that convicts a person....the Word of God is powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword.
Still an unconverted husband will most likely not be won by constant nagging coupled with a wife's unkind behavior.
How is biblical submission an aspect of holiness? (1 Peter 3:5)
Answer:
First, I think it is because it is trusting God, who said to submit. When we obey and trust God, that is an aspect of holiness.
Submission is respectful, rather than rebellious, which is also an aspect of holiness.
When God tells us to do something, we know it is right, and doing what is right is another aspect of holiness.
We are taming or sinful pride which is a type of holiness also.
Some women believe they only have to submit to their husbands if their husbands are saved or if their husbands are acting in a godly way. How does this passage answer that misconception?
Answer:
Because this about unsaved husbands or those who are perhaps saved but not obeying the word.
What does “adorning” (1 Peter 3:3-4) mean?
Why and how do women usually adorn themselves?
How are godly women to adorn themselves?
For whom? Why?
Answer:
Adoring in this passage, I think, seems to be the 'whole package' of a woman trying to win her unsaved husband ( or even influence her saved, but not obedient husband) by her outward beauty. She spends hours fixing her hair, and clothing and accessories. In a sense, she is appealing to his fallen lust nature, she is using the world's method only.
Such a display, can in some ways, make it hard for the husband to 'hear' the real message.
so a godly woman, depends on being modest, clean, simple ( like Ruth and Esther did for example) etc.
and more on a sweet, loving, kind, polite, humble, nature that does not detract from the Lord, by a more cheap, gaudy, 'sexy' worldly display.
Explain external adorning versus internal adorning.
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Adorning is the outward, physical putting on of material things, internal adorning is one's godly Biblical thoughts, actions, characteristics.
Which do you think is more winsome to your husband?
Answer:
I think perhaps men too are sometimes caught in the world's constant barrage of phyical beauty, but it is momentary. Because a wife ( or any woman) who is almost totally about 'self', their physical adornments, and little else, is generally not winsome or easy to live with. So I would say internal for the most part ( tho slovenliness is not winsome either...which of course, is not what we are talking about anyway).
Compare 1 Peter 3:3-4 with 1 Samuel 16:1-13. Which is more important to God, the external or internal? Why?
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Definitely internal...there is no real substance to outward adornment, it is selfish, vain, and not focused on the love and worship of God. It often is not even kind or compassionate to others even.
Explain what it means to have a “gentle and quiet spirit“. (1 Peter 3:4)
Can a woman with an outgoing, vivacious personality still have a gentle and quiet spirit? How?
Answer:
An outgoing, vivacious woman can still have a gentle and quiet spirit.
Gentleness is not overshadowed by being outgoing
and I am thinking a quiet spirit does not necessarily mean you have to talk in whispers, but has more to do with peacefully trusting in the Lord, and being more like Jesus.
A vivacious person can still be humble and sacrificing, helping with compassion etc.
How is your spirit different from your personality?
Answer:
A person's personality can be vivacious and outgoing, or shy and timid, hands on, or bookworm, but one spirit, is as you grow more like Jesus, in love, joy, peace, patience etc....no matter you personality, you can grow more like Jesus in your spirit.
How should a godly spirit inform a godly personality?
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It can effect the decisions you make, help you through trials, help you have more of a servant's heart, keep your eyes on Jesus, influence who you choose as friends or a mate, how you parent, what your goals are in your life, how to treat non believer's and even enemies, etc.
Explain why a gentle and quiet spirit is beautiful and how that beauty is imperishable.
Answer:
Most of today's worldly ways of a rebellious feminist is:
tough, crude, argumentative, wild behavior, proud, boasting, me first, lewd type of 'sexy', in your face attitude, pushy, obnoxious etc etc. these are not beautiful ( even if the outward body is 'beautiful') these attitudes can make a woman cold, hard, calculating, mean spirited etc.
as opposed a quite and gentle spirit, which does not fade and is true beauty being: gentle, kind, virtuous, loving, helpful, compassionate, respectful, modest, slow to anger, patient, etc.
Why is a gentle and quiet spirit precious in God’s sight?
Answer:
It is more like Jesus, it is growing in love and holiness.
Imagine Peter wrote this part of his letter to answer a question he had been asked by some of the women of the church. What was the question they asked?
Your Answer: What do we do now that we are saved because when we married both our husbands and we the wives, were both lost.
I'm not sure what you mean by that, so will put it in my own words; they're asking what to do now that they're saved but their husbands are still lost.
All your next answers were very good!
How is your spirit different from your personality?
Good question! I never thought about that so had to look it up. This is what I found:
From the introduction to 1 Peter: Though Peter could be called “unschooled” and though Greek was not his native tongue, he was by no means ordinary. The Jewish leaders saw Peter as unschooled simply because he had not been trained in rabbinical tradition, not because he was illiterate. Luke also recorded (Acts 4:13) that these same leaders were astonished by Peter’s confidence and the power of his Spirit-controlled personality. Peter’s public ministry spanned more than 30 years and took him from Jerusalem to Rome. He lived and preached in a multilingual world. It is reasonable to believe that after three decades Peter could have mastered the language of the majority of those to whom he ministered. The Bible Knowledge Commentary
The clear teaching of Scripture is that we are embodied souls. We are comprised of at least two substances in one person. We are material body and immaterial soul or spirit. ...
It is certainly awkward to talk about the body as separate from the spirit or soul because the body and the spirit belong together. They are, however, two distinct substances. In fact, they are even capable of being separated at death. Given that our beings are a unity of two substances, it follows that these two substances or structures can be distinguished at the level of their function, and this, indeed, is the case. Although clearly interdependent, body and soul have different “responsibilities.” The body provides the soul with a vehicle for concrete living in a material world. It is the soul’s “equipment.” As this equipment, the body is never called sinful. Instead, it is called weak or strong – adjectives that intuitively make sense. For example, Matthew 26:41 tells us, “The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.” ...
Memory, cognitive abilities, and language have all been found to emerge from different areas of the brain. But does that mean the soul has finally been located in the body? Are those who study the brain missing an essential element of the person? To answer these questions, we should consider what Scripture attributes to the spirit or soul and what it does not.
First, the spirit is not intelligence. When Scripture uses the term “mind” (for example, Romans 12:2), it is referring to the person-before-God, the person as one-who-is-to-be-holy. A renewed mind has nothing to do with an improved IQ score. It is distinct from intelligence which is better understood as embedded in the brain. Certainly intelligence is a gift from God that gives us the capacity to subdue our world for His glory, but it is best attributed to the material substance of the body. ...
The spirit is also not personality. Personality, or our tendency to demonstrate some stable relational traits over time, is best understood as a function of the brain. We often hear comments about how some child’s personality seems to duplicate that of one of the biological parents, and it appears that certain personal characteristics seem to be more than just the result of simple imitation.
If our understanding of the soul or spirit consists of intellectual abilities or personality, then the brain sciences are correct to say that we no longer have any need for the spirit. Yet the spirit or soul does exist. It is a biblical concept; it overlaps and is interchangeable with other words such as heart, inner person, and mind. The spirit or soul is the seat of all that we would call moral or ethical. In our spirit (hearts, souls) we know God and His law (Romans 1–2). By our spirit we know right and wrong, and we live in either obedience or disobedience. The spirit is the ever-awake moral helmsman who is constantly faced with the decision to either fear God or worship idols. At its best, it might be called pure, soft, righteous, undivided, and clean. At its worst, it may be called rocky, hard, divided, and filled with lust and pride. Totally sufficient
The term spirit also refers to the inner man. Proverbs 20:27 equates it with man’s “inmost being.” It is the breath of life that has come from God, for “the body without the spirit is dead” (James 2:26; cf. Matthew 27:50). But it is more than just animation, for it is connected with understanding: “It is the spirit in a man, the breath of the Almighty, that gives him understanding” (Job 32:8) and thought (1 Corinthians 2:11). It is the immortal aspect of man, according to Ecclesiastes 12:7: “the spirit returns to God who gave it” and Acts 7:59: “While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, `Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.’ ” Like the soul, the spirit longs for God (Isaiah 26:9), and it too is connected with the concept of the heart (Isaiah 57:15; Ezekiel 11:19; 18:31). As the immaterial part of man, it is contrasted with the body when Jesus said, “The spirit is willing, but the body is weak” (Matthew 26:41). The spirit communes with God, but the mind must also be involved (1 Corinthians 14:15, 16). Why Christians can’t trust psychology
So I would say that my spirit controls my personality and is what I've always called the "real me".
I would like you to dig a little more into this question, even though your answer was good: maybe it would be a good one to reflect on over the weekend for you.... Explain why a gentle and quiet spirit is beautiful and how that beauty is imperishable.
Question 5.
Make a list, in your own words, of God’s instructions about a husband’s and wife’s sexual relationship found in the 1 Corinthians 7 passage.
Answer:
Not being married or having sex is not a bad thing ( one can focus totally on the Lord)
But because sexual temptation is so strong, then both men and woman ought to have one mate.
Once married they do not have authority over their bodies but need to give each other their conjugal rights...except if they both agree, for a time, not too.
This is too keep satan from tempting each other.
God considered these instructions important enough to include in the Bible. Why? How is the marriage bed a protection against sexual temptation and sin? (1 Cor 7:2)
Answer:
Because sexual temptation is so strong, and satan takes advantage of it.
Also it is a part of loving, and submitting and at times sacrifice.
When you have a mate, a partner, the temptation to sin sexually is diminished or eradicated.
How does this passage teach and emphasize the mutuality of the sexual relationship?
Answer:
It speaks to both the husband and the wife.
Is this mutuality limited to the bedroom, or does it extend to other aspects of marriage? Explain the terms “rights” (1 Cor 7:3) and “authority” (1 Cor 7:4) in the context of this passage.
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I would think it would extend to other aspects of marriage.
Once again I am not 'getting it'.
I was thinking tho, if one's 'rights' and authority belong to each other.....then that would negate, having multiple wives, or mistresses or adultery.
In our culture, we most often think of sex in terms of pleasure or recreation. Is pleasure or recreation the main concern of this passage? What adjective would you choose to describe the perspective of this passage toward sex?
Answer:
Not the main concern,
'loving'
each other
(and obedience to God).
Is this mutuality limited to the bedroom, or does it extend to other aspects of marriage? Explain the terms “rights” (1 Cor 7:3) and “authority” (1 Cor 7:4) in the context of this passage.
Yes, it would rule out multiple wives or husbands lol. But what else would it affect? If all that you are and have, belong to your husband, and all that he is and has belongs to you, how would that affect other areas of your marriage? “The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife.” (1 Corinthians 7:4) I really liked what this commentary said about this passage, although it's not exactly about the question:
THE EMPHASIS IN MARRIAGE is to be on performing one’s duties to one’s partner rather than demanding one’s rights. In a fallen world, we tend to major on our rights and, therefore, within marriage our marital rights. The special perspective the Christian faith gives to human relationships is that it teaches us to emphasize rather our duties. A secret of successful marriage is not to insist upon what our partner owes us but to focus on our duty to our marriage partner. That approach makes a world of difference and promotes harmony instead of discord. When either partner in a marriage asks, ‘What are my rights?’ seeds of discontent are sown. On the other hand, when, instead, the question is, ‘What are my duties?’ a good foundation is built and strengthened. Opening up 1 Corinthians
I also have a question about your answer to the last question here. Where or how did you get "loving" as your answer and "obedience to God"? Do you want to stick with that or is there another answer you could give and back up with those scriptures?
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Post by fearnot on Jan 15, 2019 15:27:51 GMT -5
a gentle and quite spirit is beautiful, because it honors and is obedient to God.
Physical beauty does not last, it fades as one ages, it is momentary, where as a quite spirit that has an honoring relationship with God is eternal.
A friendly, kind, warm, loving, caring quite spirit cannot be made to happen by expertly applied makeup, the best clothing designer, or a skillful cosmetic surgeon....it come from God the Holy Spirit....and it lasts for eternity.
It is what God values, and it is what even people need.
Beautiful eye makeup does not hug a hurting person, or bathe wounds, or serve up soup to a starving person.
A quite spirit, often brings peace, instead of competition, love instead of self-centeredness.
These things (like kindness, gentleness etc.) do not change over time, or from one culture to another, Just as God's love is eternal, the more we are like Him ( and His beauty) the more our 'beauty' will last forever).
another ( or the main adjective) was 'duty'....which I think means focusing on the other person.
I may have missed a question or two....
I got sidetracked
because the handyman and electrician ( whom we thought were coming Thur)
Decided to come in to Hossanah's in 15-30 mins to fix electrical problems ...
because I knew Brian's youngest son Rylan was sick, and therefore the place might need some tiding...I raced over to pick up a bit.
so kind of forgot where I left off.
Ans also tonight (early-ish) was Devon's school band concert....so that was also a change in the usual day. They were really good, oh by the way LOL!
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Post by Cindy on Jan 16, 2019 11:58:46 GMT -5
a gentle and quite spirit is beautiful, because it honors and is obedient to God.
Physical beauty does not last, it fades as one ages, it is momentary, where as a quite spirit that has an honoring relationship with God is eternal.
A friendly, kind, warm, loving, caring quite spirit cannot be made to happen by expertly applied makeup, the best clothing designer, or a skillful cosmetic surgeon....it come from God the Holy Spirit....and it lasts for eternity.
It is what God values, and it is what even people need.
Beautiful eye makeup does not hug a hurting person, or bathe wounds, or serve up soup to a starving person.
A quite spirit, often brings peace, instead of competition, love instead of self-centeredness.
These things (like kindness, gentleness etc.) do not change over time, or from one culture to another, Just as God's love is eternal, the more we are like Him ( and His beauty) the more our 'beauty' will last forever).
another ( or the main adjective) was 'duty'....which I think means focusing on the other person.
I may have missed a question or two....
I got sidetracked
because the handyman and electrician ( whom we thought were coming Thur)
Decided to come in to Hossanah's in 15-30 mins to fix electrical problems ...
because I knew Brian's youngest son Rylan was sick, and therefore the place might need some tiding...I raced over to pick up a bit.
so kind of forgot where I left off.
Ans also tonight (early-ish) was Devon's school band concert....so that was also a change in the usual day. They were really good, oh by the way LOL!
His soul was not disturbed by selfish ambition and passion. He had stilled and silenced his soul. Like a weaned child, no longer wanting his mother’s milk, he was content without that which used to seem indispensable. A mature believer leaves the clamor of proud ambition and rests in the Lord. The Bible Knowledge Commentary
Surely I have behaved myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother. The original Hebrew records this statement in the form of an oath. From what had the psalmist been weaned? Self-sufficiency, self-will, self-seeking. From creatures and the things of the world—not, indeed, as to their use, but as to any dependence upon them for his happiness and portion. KJV Bible Commentary
David has been trained to trust God to supply his needs as a weaned child trusts his mother. The MacArthur study Bible
He no longer felt torn apart by inner nagging & turmoil. He had come to terms with himself & thus experienced inner peace. He used a metaphor easily understood by mothers to describe his new found serenity. A child that is weaned no longer struggles for milk when held on its mother’s breast, but this would also be true of a baby that has been satisfied with the mother’s milk. However, the picture is one of contentment, regardless of age. The psalmist advised Israel to trust in the Lord & not to depend on themselves. Only then would God’s people know true serenity, security, & contentment. The Woman’s Study Bible
“Now, Lord, not my will, but Yours be done. I don't know what to do; I'm desperate, but I will wait until You cleave the floods, or drive back my foes. I will wait, if You keep me many a day, for my heart is fixed upon You alone, O God, and my spirit waits for You in the full conviction that You wilt yet be my joy and my salvation, my refuge and my strong tower.” Morning and evening
You may be right, but I don't remember one about duty, I remember this question though:
Explain the terms “rights” (1 Cor 7:3) and “authority” (1 Cor 7:4) in the context of this passage.
Yes, there's quite a few you've skipped over or missed. You can always do them the next day though if you want to.
I'll post the next one for you now.
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Post by Cindy on Jan 16, 2019 12:16:31 GMT -5
Wow, she does a really good job of this one! I tried to make it easier for you by putting in the passages she's talking about in each question... and I'll add one more question: Why is it important for us to study this when our children are already grown?
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 12- Beautiful Motherhood by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
Psalm 127:3-5,
Psalm 113:9,
Titus 2:4,
Proverbs 22:6,
Psalm 22:9-10,
Deut 6:6-9,
Colossians 3:21,
Ephesians 6:4,
Proverbs 29:15-17,
Proverbs 13:24,
Deut 21:18-21,
Exodus 20:12,
Proverbs 1:8-9,
Ezekiel 16:44-45,
Matthew 10:34-39
In lesson 11, we looked at God’s design for women who are wives. Lesson 12 focuses on the beauty of being a godly mother.
Questions to Consider
1. In lessons 2 and 3 (links above) we took a look at some of the attributes of a godly mother that we can emulate. What are some of those attributes or character traits from Proverbs 31? In today’s lesson, rather than attributes to emulate, we’ll be focusing on God’s instructions to obey for mothers. We’ll examine how we’re to regard motherhood and our children, how we’re to train our children in godliness, how we’re to discipline our children out of ungodliness, and the example we’re to set for our children. Some of these instructions can also apply to childless women in their relationships with their spiritual children (i.e. younger women or children they disciple) and others. As you read over today’s passages, explain how childless women might apply some of these Scriptures.
2. Examine the first three passages (Psalm 127:3-5, Psalm 113:9, Titus 2:4,) together. What do these passages say about how we are to regard motherhood and our children? What should the attitude of our hearts be? In what sense are children a reward? How do we know that Psalm 127:3 does not mean that if you act in a way that pleases the Lord He will reward your good behavior with children? What does this verse mean? Is loving your children (Titus 2:4) simply a feeling of affection toward them? If so, why would young women need to be trained to love their children? When you finish today’s lesson, come back to Titus 2:4 and give a fully-orbed biblical definition of what it means to love your children.
3. Examine the next five passages (Proverbs 22:6, Psalm 22:9-10, Deut 6:6-9, Colossians 3:21, Ephesians 6:4,) together. Why does God want us to train our children in godliness? Explain the phrase “in the way he should go” (Proverbs 22:6). How does the gospel figure in to training your child? Look carefully at the three Old Testament passages. At what age should we begin training our children in godliness and the Scriptures and how long should this training continue? Is Proverbs 22:6 an iron-clad guarantee or promise from God that if we raise our children in a godly home they will definitely get saved and turn out to be godly adults? Why not? (Scroll down to the Deuteronomy 21 passage if you need help.)
To whom are the Colossians and Ephesians verses addressed? Does this mean they don’t apply to mothers or that it’s OK for mothers to provoke their children, but not fathers? If they apply to both parents, why are they addressed to fathers? How are we not to deal with our children according to these verses? What does it mean to provoke your children? Why are we not to provoke them (Colossians), and how are we to deal with them instead (Ephesians)? Compare Ephesians 6:4b to the Old Testament verses in this section. How are they similar?
4. Examine the next three passages (Proverbs 29:15-17, Proverbs 13:24,Deuteronomy 21:18-21) together. What is the purpose of godly discipline? What are the biblical definitions of the words “discipline” and “reproof”? Are discipline, reproof, and training the same as punishment? Why or why not? What are some of the consequences of disciplining your child? The consequences of refusing to discipline your child? According to Proverbs 13:24, what motivates someone to discipline her child? What motivates someone to refuse to discipline her child? Are “love” and “hate” simply emotional feelings in this verse or an attitude, posture, or orientation of mindset toward the child? Look closely at Deuteronomy 21:20. Is this passage most likely talking about a very young child or an older child/teenager? According to the Deuteronomy 21 passage, does godly discipline always result in an obedient son or daughter, or can there be exceptions to the rule?
Why is it important to both train your child in godly ways and discipline him out of ungodly ways? Explain how this fits into the “put off the ungodly, put on the godly” model of biblical sanctification. (Ephesians 4:20-32)
5. Examine the last five passages (Deut 21:18-21,Exodus 20:12, Proverbs 1:8-9, Ezekiel 16:44-45, Matthew 10:34-39) together. What do these passages teach us about the godly example we need to set for our children?
Sometimes we see implicit instructions to parents in passages that explicitly teach children how to treat and regard their parents. For example, if there were a verse that said, “Children, love your parents,” we could learn from that verse that we need to act in a way (lovable) that makes it easier for our children to obey that Scripture. Considering this concept, look at the Exodus 20 and Proverbs 1 passages. If your children are to honor you, in what manner should you behave? What should your teaching be like if your children are not to forsake it and to consider it a “graceful garland” and a “pendant”?
What is the context of Ezekiel 16? To whom is the parent/child metaphor in this passage addressed? Explain the phrase “like mother, like daughter”. Why is it important to set a good example for our children with our own behavior, and why was this a good metaphor for God to use in addressing Israel’s unfaithfulness to Him?
Examine the Deuteronomy 21 and Matthew 10 passages together. What is to be a mother’s highest priority – her relationship with her child, even the life of her child, or her love for, obedience to, and loyalty to Christ? Do you love Christ more than your child? If you had to choose between your child and Christ, whom would you choose? What message does it send to our children when we show and tell them that we love Christ more than we love them? How can you demonstrate to your child that your highest love and loyalty is reserved for Christ?
Homework
Examine each of the instructions in Deuteronomy 6:6-9. Make a list of practical ways your family could put each of these instructions into practice and discuss it with your husband. Together, pick one of these practices and implement it with your children this week.
Suggested Memory Verse
Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:37
Posted with permission:michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
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Post by fearnot on Jan 16, 2019 14:07:43 GMT -5
I will try to go back and find the other questions I missed, hopefully tomorrow...
the reason I won't today, is it's 'early' day....
all the children, kindergarten thru senior in high school, always get out early on Wed.
So that means I will be hanging out with Devon early today, and I want to get started on the new questions today.
Concerning woman whose children are already grown. I am thinking that unless a woman is a hermit or a complete and total shut in and sees no one....then, they often have grandchildren, or neighborhood children, as well, as younger men and woman that are bound to converse with them, and the art of mothering does not go away but perhaps, it mostly grows wiser.
So Question 1
explain how childless women might apply some of these Scriptures. ( I am working with the Proverbs 31 passage...not all of the other ones posted).
Answer:
So tho a woman may not have children she can apply various verses of proverbs 31
Some ways, I am thinking, would be:
In verses 1-9 she gives wise, Godly advise
(concerning many of life's important issues:
like who to marry,
ruling/being in authority,
drinking etc.),
a woman with out children can do also give such godly advise ( if asked) to many people
In v. 11 she can be trusted ( so can any woman)
v. 12 she does good and not harm ( to all people)
she works hard
(I think I would like to add, as hard as her body and health will allow)
However, she does her best to keep her health as good as possible so she can do for others
She uses resources wisely
Is kind and compassionate to those in need
She plans for things in advance, rather than being caught off guard ( however, she totally relies on God)
She does not let fears immobilize her.
she has dignity
She is kind to all people
She is not self-centered
nor immersed in vanity
She cultivates instead Godly character ( which is true beauty)
She fears the Lord (which is the most important thing, and woman can do, be she single, married, widowed, with children, without children etc.)
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Post by Cindy on Jan 17, 2019 11:16:28 GMT -5
I will try to go back and find the other questions I missed, hopefully tomorrow...
the reason I won't today, is it's 'early' day....
all the children, kindergarten thru senior in high school, always get out early on Wed.
So that means I will be hanging out with Devon early today, and I want to get started on the new questions today.
Concerning woman whose children are already grown. I am thinking that unless a woman is a hermit or a complete and total shut in and sees no one....then, they often have grandchildren, or neighborhood children, as well, as younger men and woman that are bound to converse with them, and the art of mothering does not go away but perhaps, it mostly grows wiser.
So Question 1
explain how childless women might apply some of these Scriptures. ( I am working with the Proverbs 31 passage...not all of the other ones posted).
Answer:
So tho a woman may not have children she can apply various verses of proverbs 31
Some ways, I am thinking, would be:
In verses 1-9 she gives wise, Godly advise
(concerning many of life's important issues:
like who to marry,
ruling/being in authority,
drinking etc.),
a woman with out children can do also give such godly advise ( if asked) to many people
In v. 11 she can be trusted ( so can any woman)
v. 12 she does good and not harm ( to all people)
she works hard
(I think I would like to add, as hard as her body and health will allow)
However, she does her best to keep her health as good as possible so she can do for others
She uses resources wisely
Is kind and compassionate to those in need
She plans for things in advance, rather than being caught off guard ( however, she totally relies on God)
She does not let fears immobilize her.
she has dignity
She is kind to all people
She is not self-centered
nor immersed in vanity
She cultivates instead Godly character ( which is true beauty)
She fears the Lord (which is the most important thing, and woman can do, be she single, married, widowed, with children, without children etc.)
I liked your answer to the first question. It shows how anyone, even a man can learn from this!
In Proverbs 31:13, "she works with eager hands" it shows that we shouldn't think of work as bad, but instead should think of it as good and do it eagerly, even looking forward to it and enjoying it as we're doing it.
You said she works hard, which is true, but I think another way to look at it is that she's not afraid of hard work; she doesn't try to get out of it, or even consider it all that hard because she's doing it out of love - love for God and her family and therefore her work attitude reflects that. It reminds me of when I offered to do Bruce's laundry when we were dating. The reason I offered was so that he wouldn't have to go to the laundry mat and could instead spend more time with me lol. I wanted to spend time with him because I loved him, so doing his laundry wasn't a chore to me, because it was done for love. Reminds me of Colossians 3:17.
I'm curious though where you got the one about not letting fear immobilize her?
“She is clothed with strength and dignity; she can laugh at the days to come.” (Proverbs 31:25)
This isn't speaking of physical strength, but rather of spiritual strength and the dignity that comes from it. (I'm not suggesting that you said it was speaking of physical strength; I know you didn't say that.) I like what MacArthur says about it: Strength and dignity. These words describe the character of the woman who fears the Lord. Her inward clothing displays divine wisdom, giving her confidence to face the future with its unexpected challenges. “Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting” True holiness and virtue command permanent respect and affection, far more than charm and beauty of face and form. Cf. 1 Timothy 2:9-10; 1 Peter 3:1–6. The MacArthur study Bible
“A woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised.” This is the secret of her life: she fears God and seeks to obey His Word. No doubt she would arise early in the morning to meditate on the Word and to pray. All day long she would pray for her husband and her family. Her true beauty is within; though the years might change her body, her beauty in the Lord only grows greater. Her praise comes from God. “I do always those things that please Him.” John 8:29. Wiersbe’s
Your answers were very good! Looking forward to see what you do with the other questions too.
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Post by fearnot on Jan 17, 2019 12:10:37 GMT -5
Question 2.
Examine the first three passages (Psalm 127:3-5, Psalm 113:9, Titus 2:4,) together. What do these passages say about how we are to regard motherhood and our children?
Answer:
a heritage from the Lord
a reward
Blessings
a joy
What should the attitude of our hearts be?
Answer:
Love
In what sense are children a reward?
Answer:
Good question! It totally befuddled me, because my behaviors and attitudes, up to having children, certainly did not deserve any kind of 'reward'....???
There is a secondary definition that says a 'reward' is a stimulus to reinforce a desired response...ummm I am thinking that probably is not the right idea.
So I await your response
Because I can see them as a blessing, a gift, a joy......but reward? to me? Maybe to others.
How do we know that Psalm 127:3 does not mean that if you act in a way that pleases the Lord He will reward your good behavior with children?
What does this verse mean?
Answer:
it seems both 'good' people and even 'bad' people can be blessed with the gift ( reward0 of children. Nevertheless, children are a blessing, and they often 'help' even 'bad' people change and become caring, responsible, compassionate, loving and sometimes godly people ( tho not always for sure)...
Is loving your children (Titus 2:4) simply a feeling of affection toward them? If so, why would young women need to be trained to love their children?
Answer:
No having just affection is not really 'loving' them, because you are not training them for the hardships of life.
However, training is not something that is automatic.
One has to be prepared to even be disliked ( for a time) by children, who do not want to learn or be discipline.
Often, young woman do not even have any idea what to do, what is effective, what is godly, etc. so they need training.
When you finish today’s lesson, come back to Titus 2:4 and give a fully-orbed biblical definition of what it means to love your children.
Answer:
She is kind, nurturing, loving
she also is protective ( especially with babies and toddlers)
She trains them up in the godly way they should go, and equips them for adult life ( it's hardships and blessings)
she must Discipline when behavior calls for it ( tho perhaps for a time, her child will be very angry at her)
she cooks their food and and cleans the home ( but teaches them to begin to do chores as well)
She encourages them
teaches them God's Word and how to pray and demonstrates her own love for the Lord.
Be a good example ( read the Bible daily, have a quiet spirit, trust the Lord etc.)
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Post by fearnot on Jan 18, 2019 11:32:40 GMT -5
Question 3.
Examine the next five passages (Proverbs 22:6, Psalm 22:9-10, Deut 6:6-9, Colossians 3:21, Ephesians 6:4,) together.
Why does God want us to train our children in godliness?
Explain the phrase “in the way he should go” (Proverbs 22:6). How does the gospel figure in to training your child?
Look carefully at the three Old Testament passages. At what age should we begin training our children in godliness and the Scriptures and how long should this training continue?
Answer:
So they may be saved,
so their behavior will attract other to the Lord ans salvation,
to give God glory and honor,
so their life may go well, even in troubles
There are 2 ways in life
the wrong way which leads to destruction and eternity in hell
and the right way, which leads to eternity with God....and that is the way a child should be trained to go.
The gospel, teaches there is a God in Heaven who is Holy, and cannot live with sin. We are all sinners, and cannot go to be with God on our own merit. However, Jesus died and paid for our sins, so that if we trust in what He did for us, we can be with Him forever.
We therefore want to live a life pleasing to Him. And this godly life, what pleases the Lord, is the training, that begins right from the beginning....and continues, until a child leaves home and even until the parent dies ( if the adult child still asks for council.)
Is Proverbs 22:6 an iron-clad guarantee or promise from God that if we raise our children in a godly home they will definitely get saved and turn out to be godly adults? Why not? (Scroll down to the Deuteronomy 21 passage if you need help.)
Answer:
No, because even children raised in a godly home can choose to be stubborn and rebellious.
"a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them" Deuteronomy 21: 18
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To whom are the Colossians and Ephesians verses addressed? Does this mean they don’t apply to mothers or that it’s OK for mothers to provoke their children, but not fathers?
If they apply to both parents, why are they addressed to fathers?
Answer:
Fathers
But it applies to both parents, however it is addressed to Fathers because they are the head of the household.
How are we not to deal with our children according to these verses? What does it mean to provoke your children?
Why are we not to provoke them (Colossians), and how are we to deal with them instead (Ephesians)?
Answer:
Not to provoke them to anger
I think it's to be cruel, degrading, screaming and yelling insults, demanding what is beyond their ability, etc. with great anger
We are to correct them, instruct them, teach them, discipline them justly and in accordance to the disobedience ( not more than out of anger) ,not too severe, or too indulgent, but all done out of love
Compare Ephesians 6:4b to the Old Testament verses in this section. How are they similar?
Answer:
The emphasis in on training, teaching, nurturing in all of them.
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Post by fearnot on Jan 18, 2019 12:07:05 GMT -5
I will do these first as I already set them up...twice so far LOL
Question 4.
Examine the next three passages (Proverbs 29:15-17, Proverbs 13:24,Deuteronomy 21:18-21) together.
What is the purpose of godly discipline?
Answer:
I think, in part, according to these 3 scriptures
to give wisdom
to keep wickedness and evil from increasing
to give parents delight and rest
not exactly said in these verses but I am pretty sure is true ....is to teach to be obedient to God throughout their life.
To help guide their children in the right way in life, a godly, holy, righteous life.
What are the biblical definitions of the words “discipline” and “reproof”?
Are discipline, reproof, and training the same as punishment? Why or why not?
Answer:
Discipline is firstly: Instruction, educate ( tho it can also mean correction and punishment in various forms.)
Whereas reproof is a verbal correction
tho reproof and training are not the same as punishment ...Discipline can involve punishment, and to some extent, I think, reproof could also.
but discipline and reproof is firstly to teach, but when a child rebels then punishment may follow.
What are some of the consequences of disciplining your child? The consequences of refusing to discipline your child?
answer:
There are both good and bad consequences of disciplining...a child may be obedient and give both you and themselves joy,
but ...
they may refuse and rebel, and even say they hate you...
but if you refuse to discipline then you are not really caring or loving them, and they most likely will go down a path of destruction, in this life and the next.
According to Proverbs 13:24, what motivates someone to discipline her child? What motivates someone to refuse to discipline her child? Are “love” and “hate” simply emotional feelings in this verse or an attitude, posture, or orientation of mindset toward the child?
Answer:
Love is what motives someone to discipline her child.
I would not say Hate is what motives someone to refuse to discipline their child, but its effects are mostly that...
I think fear and selfishness also play a part...and in essence, that is not loving one's child.
There is a lack of true love when you are not willing to sacrifice being 'hated' by your child, because in fact, you love them enough to endure their anger, wrath and hatred of you, because you love them enough to discipline them for their benefit ( but in this life and eternally). So its a mindset toward your child, rather than just emotional feelings.
Look closely at Deuteronomy 21:20. Is this passage most likely talking about a very young child or an older child/teenager?
Answer:
I am pretty sure this is about an older child/teenager who has had years of loving discipline, education, love, rebuke etc.
According to the Deuteronomy 21 passage, does godly discipline always result in an obedient son or daughter, or can there be exceptions to the rule?
Answer:
No, according to Deuteronomy 21:18-21, not every child raise with godly love and discipline always turn out to be godly obedient sons and daughters, there are exceptions to the rule.
Why is it important to both train your child in godly ways and discipline him out of ungodly ways?
Answer:
To me the most important thing, is their eternal destination is at stake...heaven or hell.
but also for them to have a joyful, life and walk with the Lord.
For their future's mate and children's sake.
Also for society's sake and your own peace.
Explain how this fits into the “put off the ungodly, put on the godly” model of biblical sanctification. (Ephesians 4:20-32)
Answer:
We all are born with sinful natures.
parents do not have to carefully and diligently teach children to disobey, lie, steal, hitting others, be selfish, be angry, say mean things, gossip and tattle, etc etc.
or as Ephesians 4 says "corrupt through deceitful desires" which are ungodly
instead...
putting on the godly behaviors:
a parent teaches children to be obedient, honest, kind, compassionate, humble, have a servant's heart, be at peace with God and men, be loving, not gossip, work hard willingly,
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Post by Cindy on Jan 18, 2019 13:26:11 GMT -5
Question 2.
Examine the first three passages (Psalm 127:3-5, Psalm 113:9, Titus 2:4,) together. What do these passages say about how we are to regard motherhood and our children?
Answer:
a heritage from the Lord
a reward
Blessings
a joy
What should the attitude of our hearts be?
Answer:
Love
In what sense are children a reward?
Answer:
Good question! It totally befuddled me, because my behaviors and attitudes, up to having children, certainly did not deserve any kind of 'reward'....???
There is a secondary definition that says a 'reward' is a stimulus to reinforce a desired response...ummm I am thinking that probably is not the right idea.
So I await your response
Because I can see them as a blessing, a gift, a joy......but reward? to me? Maybe to others.
How do we know that Psalm 127:3 does not mean that if you act in a way that pleases the Lord He will reward your good behavior with children?
What does this verse mean?
Answer:
it seems both 'good' people and even 'bad' people can be blessed with the gift ( reward0 of children. Nevertheless, children are a blessing, and they often 'help' even 'bad' people change and become caring, responsible, compassionate, loving and sometimes godly people ( tho not always for sure)...
Is loving your children (Titus 2:4) simply a feeling of affection toward them? If so, why would young women need to be trained to love their children?
Answer:
No having just affection is not really 'loving' them, because you are not training them for the hardships of life.
However, training is not something that is automatic.
One has to be prepared to even be disliked ( for a time) by children, who do not want to learn or be discipline.
Often, young woman do not even have any idea what to do, what is effective, what is godly, etc. so they need training.
When you finish today’s lesson, come back to Titus 2:4 and give a fully-orbed biblical definition of what it means to love your children.
Answer:
She is kind, nurturing, loving
she also is protective ( especially with babies and toddlers)
She trains them up in the godly way they should go, and equips them for adult life ( it's hardships and blessings)
she must Discipline when behavior calls for it ( tho perhaps for a time, her child will be very angry at her)
she cooks their food and and cleans the home ( but teaches them to begin to do chores as well)
She encourages them
teaches them God's Word and how to pray and demonstrates her own love for the Lord.
Be a good example ( read the Bible daily, have a quiet spirit, trust the Lord etc.)
Because our children are a heritage from the Lord and a reward from Him, our attitude should be one of thankfulness. Knowing He gives the barren woman children should cause us to have an attitude of joy as well. Even if we have never been barren, knowing that our God is so loving and merciful should fill us with joy because we would know that He will treat us the same way in other areas of life. Finally, knowing that God has commanded the older women to teach the younger to love their husbands and children should cause us to remember that love is a decision so that when we have difficult days with our children (or our husband) we will remember to have an attitude of love toward them and serve them rather than demanding that they serve us.
By the way, did you know that Psalm 127:3–5 is the basis for a false teaching? There's a while movement based on this psalm. I can't remember for sure, but I think it's called something like "quiverfull" or something like that. A TV show I've enjoyed is into that. Yes, I just looked it up and this is what was said: Quiverfull is a movement of conservative Christian couples. Adherents are known as quiver full, full quiver, quiverfull-minded, or simply QF Christians.
Quiverfull is a cult-like movement — both sociologically and theologically.
Theologically, Quiverfull is a cult of Christianity, as Scripture is misused and misinterpreted to subjugate women. It's sad really, because they take scriptures that are true, and exaggerate them to the point that they're no longer true. I didn't see that to much on the TV show, but once I realized what to look for I realized that I had seen it to a small extent, but hadn't recognized it for what it was.
Also did you ever think about the fact that Paul says that older women are to "teach" or "train" younger ones to love their husbands and children? When we think about that statement, the first thing I thought was "why in the world would that need to be taught???" But as we know, loving them all the time takes work and commitment and the Holy Spirit. And as far as loving children goes, young mothers need to be taught that love doesn't mean giving their children everything they ask for. Love often means saying "no" even though it will upset the child and make them angry, sometimes even enough for them to say, "I hate you!". They need to learn too that love is consistent, it's not wishy washy. That their job is to be a mother, not a friend.
In what sense are children a reward?
We're to understand that children are not a penalty, but are a reward. They're not to be seen as something bad or something we simply have to put up with, but rather as a joyous gift to us from the Lord. He isn't rewarding us for anything we've done, but is simply giving us a free gift born of His love for us and He wants us to see our children in that light. Children are often a blessing and reward. Just as I now enjoy watching my cats play and often sit and laugh at what they do, I used to sit and watch my children and laugh. Laughter is one of the most wonderful things we can do because it lightens our hearts and helps us have the kind of attitude that the Lord wishes us to have all the time. Children bring much laughter into our lives, and later our grandchildren do! Children are also a blessing to us later in life when they help us, either financially, or in taking care of us when we can't care for ourselves. In that way they're again a reward. Another way that they can be regarded as a reward is that they're kind of like the carrot you offer to get an animal to do what you want them to do. God gives us children hoping that in the process of raising them, especially during a difficult time, that we will turn to Him for help and guidance. God created us to love, especially to love Him. We're His children. He wants to reward us by giving us a chance to know the love of children as He does. Knowing their love and even knowing the hurt that comes from loving them at times, helps us understand Him a little more too. God rewards and blesses us simply because He loves us, just like we often reward or bless our children just because we love them and not because we have to or because they earned it.
MacArthur says: "Parenting is supposed to be a joy, not a burden. Scripture repeatedly stresses the blessings of having children and the rich rewards of parenting. Scripture never portrays parenting as an obstacle course beset with potentially deadly pitfalls."
Numerous children were considered a special blessing from the Lord. “Children of youth” are those who are born while the parents are young and vigorous. They will grow up in time to be a support for their parents’ old age. Such children are like “arrows in the hand of a mighty man” in that they provide a defense against those who would take advantage of the elderly parents. A man with such a stalwart family to support him runs no risk of being wronged by powerful enemies through the perversion of justice in the courts. The wisdom literature and Psalms.
So, that was my quick answer, as I was "on the spot". But this was a question, like most of them that's meant for you to take time to really reflect on before you answer. (I just spent an hour doing so! and now don't have time to do much more). So don't think of these questions as something you can be quick to answer, but something that takes much thought and time.
I don't have any more time today as I'm way behind now. Instead of doing any more, why don't you go over these questions and the others you've done that I haven't had time to look at yet, and see if you want to add anything to them. Or you could answer the questions you didn't answer on the last lesson....
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Post by fearnot on Jan 18, 2019 21:10:22 GMT -5
I actually take an hour,
2 or 3 hours
(even 4 hours sometimes)
answering these questions, and thinking and praying about them,
Still about 1/2 the time( well sometimes it seems like that much), I am just stumped.
I am not sure if maybe after praying and thinking,
and I still don't feel like I understand the question
( or even IF I do understand),
I don't feel like I have the answer
If I should just not answer...all the ones I don't get?
In fact, I did look over one or two of the questions, that I missed previously, and I still was without an answer.
It almost seems like in comes and goes...
sometimes I feel much better about the questions, and I feel like I understand most of them, and feel 'pretty' good about the answers,
and then
comes some where I am floundering and no amount of time or prayer seems to help.
You mention if I had thought about older woman teaching younger about children and husbands.
I know I sure wish I had had someone teach me.
My adopted mom was in Conn. but Leonard and I were in Hawaii.
Her only child was me, and I came there when I was a few mts from turning 6....
so even if she had lived next door, she didn't have the hour by hour experience of raising babies.
And I did not know any older woman to help me in Hawaii.
So I would have really loved some help!!!
I did not have any brothers or sisters ( not younger, that I might have help care for
or
even older siblings, so I might have learned something about babies when my older siblings had children.
I only babysat a few times, so I did not get much instruction there.
I did got with Leonard to PET ( parent effectiveness training) class...but that was mostly a lot of psycho babble and not real helpful.
Then we went to a psychologist and the kids went also ( to a kids class) but that was not real helpful ( I only learned one thing, that really really helped in all the time we went)
But the biggest problem, looking back, was none of those things were godly Biblical advise
and of course, we were into the whole 'brotherhood' thing
and we were therefore NOT reading the bible, praying etc.
Which was sad....I still regret that my children were not brought up in the fear and nurture of the Lord.
I am not sure what to do now.
guess, I will try to find the questions I did not answer and pray and think about them some more....
I also tho set up the next questions ( doing 2 different colors etc. can some time
and......
I already did it once before and lost it
Sooooo
I think ( instead of doing it yet a third time)
I guess I will Answer the next ones this time...
but then after that
I won't set it up ahead of time...unless you say its ok
( I do it the night before.....because it can take 15-30 mins)
and I don't want to be spending time setting it up in the morning,
because it takes away from my less than great answer sigh!
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Post by fearnot on Jan 19, 2019 12:48:44 GMT -5
I will now try to answer missed questions.
I already addressed why I wrote not to submit to other men ( or perhaps I should have said, in a partial way)
I meant, that you would not submit to cleaning another man's house for the rest of your life....perhaps if he was ill you and some other woman might do so tho, or submit to have sex with him, like your husband....in other ways yes. I just meant those things would be against God's will, that was what I was thinking, but did not state very clearly...sorry.
Next
How do these two things (who God created first, and who was created to be the helper) point to and undergird male headship in marriage?
I am still stumped. I think because God created Adam first, that pointed to Adam being the head of a household, and the fact, God said Eve was to be Adam's helper, implies, she is not the head, but Adam's helper?
I feel like I am just not understanding something.
I am always amazed when you answer certain questions, you seem to have so much a greater understand ( I am not amazed that you have a greater understanding LOL but rather the GREATER...much greater amount......so that on such questions it would be me 0% Cindy 99%
Next:
or that the only purpose for which women were created was to be wives? Or another way of putting it, after answering yes or no, would be, what other purpose is there for women?
Woman could do many things and many jobs...and sometimes are in charge of much...besides being wives and mothers.
Tho being a wife and mother, in the end may have more impact that running a fortune 500 company.
But generally woman in the work force often have a boss ( man or woman boss) and they still can be a helper.
But more than that, where ever we are or whatever work we do, we are ambassadors of Christ.....God allows the honor of 'helping' Him...tho He does NOT need any 'help' from anyone ever!
It is His gift and honor to us, to let us be His ambassadors and perhaps lead someone to Him.
I am not sure but you asked why I said the husband could be lost but also saved.
I was thinking it was mostly a lost husband, but then, I was thinking there could be a man who was truly saved, but for whatever reason, he was 'no longer' obeying the Word ( maybe he did at one time), but now was not reading his bible, was angry at God, so in that case, a wife's godly behavior might bring her husband around....but I guess, I was over reaching, and putting meaning in the words that were not really there.
Then
you wrote to me:
Your Answer: What do we do now that we are saved because when we married both our husbands and we the wives, were both lost.
I'm not sure what you mean by that, so will put it in my own words; they're asking what to do now that they're saved but their husbands are still lost.
I was just thinking that some of the wives, had gotten married, when both she and her husband were not saved, but then, these wives became saved, but their husbands were still lost.
I think, its another one of those times when my sentence construction did not lead to clarity.
The next one is:
Explain why a gentle and quiet spirit is beautiful and how that beauty is imperishable.
I will try to come back to that one, but since I had to get up early early morn to watch Devon and it's close to 10 ( about 4 hours...I am getting less clear in my mind...plus I have not eaten or had anything...not even water to drink...so I am tired, and weary)
Anyway, that is a start...tho maybe not a good one Ha ha
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Post by fearnot on Jan 20, 2019 18:55:32 GMT -5
Explain why a gentle and quiet spirit is beautiful
Answer:
Firstly it honors God, and that alone makes it beautiful.
However, there is the World's definition of beauty:
It is a coat hanger for the most recent fashion of the day,
a sculpture for putting makeup on ( also what ever is the most recent style)
and a mannequin for whatever the world deems the hairstyle of the day...
but it lacks a heart for others or for God.
It's focus is self and I also think, it basically can be a wanting people to 'worship' you and the ground you walk on....like a god.
There is also, at times, an element of wanting to incite lust ( when a woman goes for 'sexy'...you got it, flaunt it).
It can be cruel, from the aspect of making other woman green eyed with jealousy.
However, true beauty is totally different....
if God says being more like Jesus, is beautiful then you are truly lovely, it is a rare beauty in comparison with
the world's 'plastic', painted, dyed, outward and self centered physical beauty only.!!!
Saul was apparently the epitome of being good looking in his day, and god said people tend to look at that, but God looks for true beauty, that is a quite and gentle spirit.
Worldly women are often not happy, they are quite often plagued, with fear, of competition of other woman, and losing their 'beauty'. They do not have a quite spirit.
But a godly woman, can rest, in knowing her inner 'beauty' is not fading, but continues to grow.
She is not just a body or a pretty face, she is a child of God....that last forever.
and how that beauty is imperishable.
Answer:
We age outwardly or as 2 Corinthians 4: 16 says
"Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day"
so that is inner beauty not only imperishable.....
it continues to grow ever more beautiful
while the outward worldly beauty gets less and less, until its gone.
The beauty of a loving heart, a kind and generous spirit, a servant's heart, compassion and mercy,
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Post by fearnot on Jan 21, 2019 13:17:28 GMT -5
I am not sure if I got to all the ones I missed or not and since I am waiting to see what you say, I will go to acts today.
I do pray you are feeling a bit better and not worse.
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Post by fearnot on Jan 22, 2019 11:27:04 GMT -5
I will again work on Acts, since I am not sure if I am clear to go on to the next question, in this study LOL
Praying you are ok and not in really bad pain.
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Post by Cindy on Jan 23, 2019 10:40:49 GMT -5
Question 2.
How do we know that Psalm 127:3 does not mean that if you act in a way that pleases the Lord He will reward your good behavior with children?
What does this verse mean?
Answer:
it seems both 'good' people and even 'bad' people can be blessed with the gift ( reward0 of children. Nevertheless, children are a blessing, and they often 'help' even 'bad' people change and become caring, responsible, compassionate, loving and sometimes godly people ( tho not always for sure)...
Is loving your children (Titus 2:4) simply a feeling of affection toward them? If so, why would young women need to be trained to love their children?
Answer:
No having just affection is not really 'loving' them, because you are not training them for the hardships of life.
However, training is not something that is automatic.
One has to be prepared to even be disliked ( for a time) by children, who do not want to learn or be discipline.
Often, young woman do not even have any idea what to do, what is effective, what is godly, etc. so they need training.
When you finish today’s lesson, come back to Titus 2:4 and give a fully-orbed biblical definition of what it means to love your children.
Answer:
She is kind, nurturing, loving
she also is protective ( especially with babies and toddlers)
She trains them up in the godly way they should go, and equips them for adult life ( it's hardships and blessings)
she must Discipline when behavior calls for it ( tho perhaps for a time, her child will be very angry at her)
she cooks their food and and cleans the home ( but teaches them to begin to do chores as well)
She encourages them
teaches them God's Word and how to pray and demonstrates her own love for the Lord.
Be a good example ( read the Bible daily, have a quiet spirit, trust the Lord etc.)
How do we know that Psalm 127:3 does not mean that if you act in a way that pleases the Lord He will reward your good behavior with children?
What does this verse mean?
Solomon actually wrote this psalm so it's speaking of God being central in our lives and also of His sovereignty over all, and this includes whether or not someone has children and how many they have. It is most certainly not saying that God rewards good behavior with children. Instead it's saying that if someone has children, they're from the Lord because He is sovereign. In those days it was very helpful, almost a necessity for people to have many children as they needed them to help in the fields, etc. They also needed children to carry on the family name and to help their parents in their old age, even to defend them from people who try to harm them or the family in some way. So the more children you had, especially boys, the more you had to defend your home and your honor. That was all very true then (and still true today in many ways) but the verse is not saying that's what will happen if you're good. It's simply saying that children come from God and that the sovereign intention of God is far more crucial to whether we have children then our own efforts in life. (hint: always look at the context when answering questions like this).
Is loving your children (Titus 2:4) simply a feeling of affection toward them? If so, why would young women need to be trained to love their children? You answered the first part of this question but it didn't seem like you answered the second part of it - why would a young woman need to be trained to love her children? I covered some of that previously in my last post I think.
When you finish today’s lesson, come back to Titus 2:4 and give a fully-orbed biblical definition of what it means to love your children.
Answer:
She is kind, nurturing, loving
she also is protective ( especially with babies and toddlers)
She trains them up in the godly way they should go, and equips them for adult life ( it's hardships and blessings)
she must Discipline when behavior calls for it ( tho perhaps for a time, her child will be very angry at her)
she cooks their food and and cleans the home ( but teaches them to begin to do chores as well)
She encourages them
teaches them God's Word and how to pray and demonstrates her own love for the Lord.
Be a good example ( read the Bible daily, have a quiet spirit, trust the Lord etc.)
In this, instead of giving a biblical definition of love, you described what you thought a mother would do. (all of which is true, but it's not a "fully-orbed biblical definition of what it means to love your children". Being fully orbed, simply means being completely illuminating. One example of that kind of definition of love would be 1 Cor 13:4-8. So, to put it another way, a complete biblical explanation of what it means to love your children might start out something like this:
Loving your children according to God's Word means that you would be patient with them, just as God is patient with us. Then you could continue with 1 Cor 13. But you could also include things like, love is not a feeling, it's a decision and quote or show what verses tell us that. You could include how love forgives and reconciles the way God forgives us, again showing where you got that from, and so forth.
Question 3.
Examine the next five passages (Proverbs 22:6, Psalm 22:9-10, Deut 6:6-9, Colossians 3:21, Ephesians 6:4,) together.
Why does God want us to train our children in godliness?
Explain the phrase “in the way he should go” (Proverbs 22:6). How does the gospel figure in to training your child?
Look carefully at the three Old Testament passages. At what age should we begin training our children in godliness and the Scriptures and how long should this training continue?
Answer:
So they may be saved,
so their behavior will attract other to the Lord ans salvation,
to give God glory and honor,
so their life may go well, even in troubles
There are 2 ways in life
the wrong way which leads to destruction and eternity in hell
and the right way, which leads to eternity with God....and that is the way a child should be trained to go.
The gospel, teaches there is a God in Heaven who is Holy, and cannot live with sin. We are all sinners, and cannot go to be with God on our own merit. However, Jesus died and paid for our sins, so that if we trust in what He did for us, we can be with Him forever.
We therefore want to live a life pleasing to Him. And this godly life, what pleases the Lord, is the training, that begins right from the beginning....and continues, until a child leaves home and even until the parent dies ( if the adult child still asks for council.)
Is Proverbs 22:6 an iron-clad guarantee or promise from God that if we raise our children in a godly home they will definitely get saved and turn out to be godly adults? Why not? (Scroll down to the Deuteronomy 21 passage if you need help.)
Answer:
No, because even children raised in a godly home can choose to be stubborn and rebellious.
"a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them" Deuteronomy 21: 18
To whom are the Colossians and Ephesians verses addressed? Does this mean they don’t apply to mothers or that it’s OK for mothers to provoke their children, but not fathers?
If they apply to both parents, why are they addressed to fathers?
Answer:
Fathers
But it applies to both parents, however it is addressed to Fathers because they are the head of the household.
How are we not to deal with our children according to these verses? What does it mean to provoke your children?
Why are we not to provoke them (Colossians), and how are we to deal with them instead (Ephesians)?
Answer:
Not to provoke them to anger
I think it's to be cruel, degrading, screaming and yelling insults, demanding what is beyond their ability, etc. with great anger
We are to correct them, instruct them, teach them, discipline them justly and in accordance to the disobedience ( not more than out of anger) ,not too severe, or too indulgent, but all done out of love
Compare Ephesians 6:4b to the Old Testament verses in this section. How are they similar?
Answer:
The emphasis in on training, teaching, nurturing in all of them.
To whom are the Colossians and Ephesians verses addressed? Does this mean they don’t apply to mothers or that it’s OK for mothers to provoke their children, but not fathers?
If they apply to both parents, why are they addressed to fathers?
The word "fathers" could also be translated, "mothers" or “Parents” because it can be used to refer to both the male and female parent in the original language.
I will do these first as I already set them up...twice so far LOL
Question 4.
Examine the next three passages (Proverbs 29:15-17, Proverbs 13:24,Deuteronomy 21:18-21) together.
What is the purpose of godly discipline?
Answer:
I think, in part, according to these 3 scriptures
to give wisdom
to keep wickedness and evil from increasing
to give parents delight and rest
not exactly said in these verses but I am pretty sure is true ....is to teach to be obedient to God throughout their life.
To help guide their children in the right way in life, a godly, holy, righteous life.
What are the biblical definitions of the words “discipline” and “reproof”?
Are discipline, reproof, and training the same as punishment? Why or why not?
Answer:
Discipline is firstly: Instruction, educate ( tho it can also mean correction and punishment in various forms.)
Whereas reproof is a verbal correction
tho reproof and training are not the same as punishment ...Discipline can involve punishment, and to some extent, I think, reproof could also.
but discipline and reproof is firstly to teach, but when a child rebels then punishment may follow.
What are some of the consequences of disciplining your child? The consequences of refusing to discipline your child?
answer:
There are both good and bad consequences of disciplining...a child may be obedient and give both you and themselves joy,
but ...
they may refuse and rebel, and even say they hate you...
but if you refuse to discipline then you are not really caring or loving them, and they most likely will go down a path of destruction, in this life and the next.
According to Proverbs 13:24, what motivates someone to discipline her child? What motivates someone to refuse to discipline her child? Are “love” and “hate” simply emotional feelings in this verse or an attitude, posture, or orientation of mindset toward the child?
Answer:
Love is what motives someone to discipline her child.
I would not say Hate is what motives someone to refuse to discipline their child, but its effects are mostly that...
I think fear and selfishness also play a part...and in essence, that is not loving one's child.
There is a lack of true love when you are not willing to sacrifice being 'hated' by your child, because in fact, you love them enough to endure their anger, wrath and hatred of you, because you love them enough to discipline them for their benefit ( but in this life and eternally). So its a mindset toward your child, rather than just emotional feelings.
Look closely at Deuteronomy 21:20. Is this passage most likely talking about a very young child or an older child/teenager?
Answer:
I am pretty sure this is about an older child/teenager who has had years of loving discipline, education, love, rebuke etc.
According to the Deuteronomy 21 passage, does godly discipline always result in an obedient son or daughter, or can there be exceptions to the rule?
Answer:
No, according to Deuteronomy 21:18-21, not every child raise with godly love and discipline always turn out to be godly obedient sons and daughters, there are exceptions to the rule.
Why is it important to both train your child in godly ways and discipline him out of ungodly ways?
Answer:
To me the most important thing, is their eternal destination is at stake...heaven or hell.
but also for them to have a joyful, life and walk with the Lord.
For their future's mate and children's sake.
Also for society's sake and your own peace.
Explain how this fits into the “put off the ungodly, put on the godly” model of biblical sanctification. (Ephesians 4:20-32)
Answer:
We all are born with sinful natures.
parents do not have to carefully and diligently teach children to disobey, lie, steal, hitting others, be selfish, be angry, say mean things, gossip and tattle, etc etc.
or as Ephesians 4 says "corrupt through deceitful desires" which are ungodly
instead...
putting on the godly behaviors:
a parent teaches children to be obedient, honest, kind, compassionate, humble, have a servant's heart, be at peace with God and men, be loving, not gossip, work hard willingly,
The importance of parental disciplining is stressed by the verbs “hate” and “love.” “Hating” a child in this sense means in essence abandoning or rejecting him; “loving” a child means embracing and caring for him. Failure to discipline a child is tantamount to hating him—not caring about his character. The NET Bible
One who has genuine affection for his child, but withholds corporal punishment, will produce the same kind of child as a parent who hates his offspring. The MacArthur study Bible Also, I think that love for self overrides love for our child, when we don't discipline them.
Honestly, it blew me away when I realized that we were supposed to have trained out children to know they had a sin nature, what it was, and what it did, tell them how to be saved etc. and then through discipline etc. help them to overcome it and live for God instead of themselves. Then the "if only's" started and I had to take them captive as they're from Satan not God, although I first had asked the Lord's forgivness for not knowing these things and raising my children wrong.
I actually take an hour,
2 or 3 hours
(even 4 hours sometimes)
answering these questions, and thinking and praying about them,
Still about 1/2 the time( well sometimes it seems like that much), I am just stumped.
I am not sure if maybe after praying and thinking,
and I still don't feel like I understand the question
( or even IF I do understand),
I don't feel like I have the answer
If I should just not answer...all the ones I don't get?
In fact, I did look over one or two of the questions, that I missed previously, and I still was without an answer.
It almost seems like in comes and goes...
sometimes I feel much better about the questions, and I feel like I understand most of them, and feel 'pretty' good about the answers,
and then
comes some where I am floundering and no amount of time or prayer seems to help.
You mention if I had thought about older woman teaching younger about children and husbands.
I know I sure wish I had had someone teach me.
My adopted mom was in Conn. but Leonard and I were in Hawaii.
Her only child was me, and I came there when I was a few mts from turning 6....
so even if she had lived next door, she didn't have the hour by hour experience of raising babies.
And I did not know any older woman to help me in Hawaii.
So I would have really loved some help!!!
I did not have any brothers or sisters ( not younger, that I might have help care for
or
even older siblings, so I might have learned something about babies when my older siblings had children.
I only babysat a few times, so I did not get much instruction there.
I did got with Leonard to PET ( parent effectiveness training) class...but that was mostly a lot of psycho babble and not real helpful.
Then we went to a psychologist and the kids went also ( to a kids class) but that was not real helpful ( I only learned one thing, that really really helped in all the time we went)
But the biggest problem, looking back, was none of those things were godly Biblical advise
and of course, we were into the whole 'brotherhood' thing
and we were therefore NOT reading the bible, praying etc.
Which was sad....I still regret that my children were not brought up in the fear and nurture of the Lord.
I am not sure what to do now.
guess, I will try to find the questions I did not answer and pray and think about them some more....
I also tho set up the next questions ( doing 2 different colors etc. can some time
and......
I already did it once before and lost it
Sooooo
I think ( instead of doing it yet a third time)
I guess I will Answer the next ones this time...
but then after that
I won't set it up ahead of time...unless you say its ok
( I do it the night before.....because it can take 15-30 mins)
and I don't want to be spending time setting it up in the morning,
because it takes away from my less than great answer sigh!
I will now try to answer missed questions.
I already addressed why I wrote not to submit to other men ( or perhaps I should have said, in a partial way)
I meant, that you would not submit to cleaning another man's house for the rest of your life....perhaps if he was ill you and some other woman might do so tho, or submit to have sex with him, like your husband....in other ways yes. I just meant those things would be against God's will, that was what I was thinking, but did not state very clearly...sorry.
Next
How do these two things (who God created first, and who was created to be the helper) point to and undergird male headship in marriage?
I am still stumped. I think because God created Adam first, that pointed to Adam being the head of a household, and the fact, God said Eve was to be Adam's helper, implies, she is not the head, but Adam's helper?
I feel like I am just not understanding something.
I am always amazed when you answer certain questions, you seem to have so much a greater understand ( I am not amazed that you have a greater understanding LOL but rather the GREATER...much greater amount......so that on such questions it would be me 0% Cindy 99%
Next:
or that the only purpose for which women were created was to be wives? Or another way of putting it, after answering yes or no, would be, what other purpose is there for women?
Woman could do many things and many jobs...and sometimes are in charge of much...besides being wives and mothers.
Tho being a wife and mother, in the end may have more impact that running a fortune 500 company.
But generally woman in the work force often have a boss ( man or woman boss) and they still can be a helper.
But more than that, where ever we are or whatever work we do, we are ambassadors of Christ.....God allows the honor of 'helping' Him...tho He does NOT need any 'help' from anyone ever!
It is His gift and honor to us, to let us be His ambassadors and perhaps lead someone to Him.
I am not sure but you asked why I said the husband could be lost but also saved.
I was thinking it was mostly a lost husband, but then, I was thinking there could be a man who was truly saved, but for whatever reason, he was 'no longer' obeying the Word ( maybe he did at one time), but now was not reading his bible, was angry at God, so in that case, a wife's godly behavior might bring her husband around....but I guess, I was over reaching, and putting meaning in the words that were not really there.
Then
you wrote to me:
Your Answer: What do we do now that we are saved because when we married both our husbands and we the wives, were both lost.
I'm not sure what you mean by that, so will put it in my own words; they're asking what to do now that they're saved but their husbands are still lost.
I was just thinking that some of the wives, had gotten married, when both she and her husband were not saved, but then, these wives became saved, but their husbands were still lost.
I think, its another one of those times when my sentence construction did not lead to clarity.
The next one is:
Explain why a gentle and quiet spirit is beautiful and how that beauty is imperishable.
I will try to come back to that one, but since I had to get up early early morn to watch Devon and it's close to 10 ( about 4 hours...I am getting less clear in my mind...plus I have not eaten or had anything...not even water to drink...so I am tired, and weary)
Anyway, that is a start...tho maybe not a good one Ha ha
I am still stumped. I think because God created Adam first, that pointed to Adam being the head of a household, and the fact, God said Eve was to be Adam's helper, implies, she is not the head, but Adam's helper? I feel like I am just not understanding something.
You got it and hit the nail on the head! That's exactly why hon. See, you knew the answer all along! Just to show you, let me quote MacArthur here:
Since man was created first, he was given headship over the woman and creation. The fact that Adam named Eve—a privilege bestowed on those who had authority in the Old Testament—manifested his authority over her. ... Raymond C. Ortlund, Jr., professor at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, explains succinctly the paradox of these two accounts: Was Eve Adam’s equal? Yes and no. She was his spiritual equal and … “suitable for him.” But she was not his equal in that she was his “helper.” God did not create man and woman in an undifferentiated way, and their mere maleness and femaleness identify their respective roles. A man, just by virtue of his manhood, is called to lead for God. A woman, just by virtue of her womanhood, is called to help for God. MacArthur, J. (1996). Different by design.
I think all your answers were great! So maybe, are you alllowing yourself to become insecure about answering the questions, and that by itself could cause you to become anxious so you can't think of the answer, even though you know it....
Explain why a gentle and quiet spirit is beautiful
Answer:
Firstly it honors God, and that alone makes it beautiful.
However, there is the World's definition of beauty:
It is a coat hanger for the most recent fashion of the day,
a sculpture for putting makeup on ( also what ever is the most recent style)
and a mannequin for whatever the world deems the hairstyle of the day...
but it lacks a heart for others or for God.
It's focus is self and I also think, it basically can be a wanting people to 'worship' you and the ground you walk on....like a god.
There is also, at times, an element of wanting to incite lust ( when a woman goes for 'sexy'...you got it, flaunt it).
It can be cruel, from the aspect of making other woman green eyed with jealousy.
However, true beauty is totally different....
if God says being more like Jesus, is beautiful then you are truly lovely, it is a rare beauty in comparison with
the world's 'plastic', painted, dyed, outward and self centered physical beauty only.!!!
Saul was apparently the epitome of being good looking in his day, and god said people tend to look at that, but God looks for true beauty, that is a quite and gentle spirit.
Worldly women are often not happy, they are quite often plagued, with fear, of competition of other woman, and losing their 'beauty'. They do not have a quite spirit.
But a godly woman, can rest, in knowing her inner 'beauty' is not fading, but continues to grow.
She is not just a body or a pretty face, she is a child of God....that last forever.
and how that beauty is imperishable.
Answer:
We age outwardly or as 2 Corinthians 4: 16 says
"Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day"
so that is inner beauty not only imperishable.....
it continues to grow ever more beautiful
while the outward worldly beauty gets less and less, until its gone.
The beauty of a loving heart, a kind and generous spirit, a servant's heart, compassion and mercy,
I am not sure if I got to all the ones I missed or not and since I am waiting to see what you say, I will go to acts today.
I do pray you are feeling a bit better and not worse. I will again work on Acts, since I am not sure if I am clear to go on to the next question, in this study LOL
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Post by Cindy on Jan 23, 2019 10:54:05 GMT -5
It would be best if you finish up the ones I replied to today before starting this one. Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 13- The Beauty of Single Sainthood by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
Luke 20:27-36,
Isaiah 56:1-8,
Matthew 19:9-12,
Galatians 3:26-29,
1 Corinthians 7:6-9,
1 Corinthians 7:32-40,
1 Timothy 5:1-16
For the past few lessons, we’ve looked at biblical womanhood in the family – our roles as daughters, wives, and mothers. Today, we’re rounding out this portion of the study by examining the unique and honorable biblical role of the single woman. Next week, we’ll begin looking at biblical womanhood in the church setting.
(For the purposes of this lesson, we are simply looking at how a woman who is not currently married – regardless of how she came to be unmarried (never married, divorced, widowed) – can honor God in her daily life as an unmarried woman. We will not be delving into the various biblical/unbiblical aspects of divorce, whether or not never married women want to get married, whether widows today should remarry, etc. Those sorts of things are beyond the scope of this lesson and can be dealt with elsewhere.)
Questions to Consider
1. Briefly review Lesson 11, question 1 (link above). What were some of the character traits you listed from Proverbs 31 that should be traits of a godly woman regardless of her marital status? Today, we’ll be taking a look at some other qualities of godly single women and God’s instructions to them.
2. Examine the Luke 20 passage. Is marriage a temporal (earthly) state or an eternal (Heavenly) state? What will be the marital status of everyone in Heaven? How does the temporality of marriage demonstrate that being married and being single are simply two different avenues for serving Christ during our earthly lives?
3. Examine the Isaiah, Matthew, and Galatians passages together. Which two groups of people does the Isaiah passage talk about? (3) What was a eunuch? Go to the Matthew passage. In what three ways does verse 12 say that people can become eunuchs? How could the phrase “made eunuchs by men” apply to someone who is involuntarily single (wants to marry but hasn’t had the opportunity)? What does the phrase “made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven” mean?
How would the people Isaiah was addressing have understood the term “foreigner“? (3)
Think about the supreme importance Israel placed on marriage and offspring, and the importance they (should have) placed on separating themselves from pagan people from foreign nations. What would the social status of eunuchs and foreigners have been in the eyes of the average Israelite? What word does verse 8 use to describe them?
Yet, how does God view eunuchs and foreigners who love Him and are faithful to Him? (3-8) Does He judge them by their nationality or marital status? Is there a “back of the bus” section of the Kingdom for foreigners? (3a) Are eunuchs worthless to God because they have not married and borne children? (3b) What promises and comforts does God give these “outcasts”? (4-7) What is their worth in God’s eyes?
Galatians 3:28 is sometimes described with the phrase, “The ground is level at the foot of the cross.” Explain how this applies to salvation and membership in the Body with regard to the concept “there is neither single nor married”.
Unmarried church members sometimes lament that they are treated as second class citizens by their church families. How should these three passages inform the way married church members value, love, fellowship with, and include unmarried church family members? How should these passages inform the way single church members participate in the church body and reach out to and bond with brothers and sisters who are married?
4. Study the 1 Corinthians passages. Was Paul married or single at this point? (7-8) What is his preference regarding Christians marrying, assuming they can faithfully carry it out? (7-8) What word does Paul use to describe both marriage and singlehood? (7) Is this a positive word or a negative word? List some ways marriage and singlehood can both be good gifts when harnessed for the glory of God.
In your own words, what does verse 9 mean? What is the implicit instruction to single people about sex in this verse?
Look at 32-40. What are some of the reasons Paul’s preference (7-8) is for Christians to remain unmarried? What are some of the ways married people could be distracted from serving Christ? What are some ways single people could be distracted from serving Christ? (9, 36-37) List some ways you can, whether married or single, have an “undivided devotion to the Lord” and be “anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit.”
5. Study the 1 Timothy passage. Strictly in its immediate context, what is this passage about? What are the responsibilities of the church toward elderly widows? Toward young widows? What is the responsibility of the widow’s family to care for her (4,8,16)?
Now let’s take a broader view of this passage and examine it strictly for the godly and ungodly character traits and behaviors it describes. Make a list of the godly character traits and behaviors of a widow. Make a list of the ungodly character traits and behaviors of a widow. A widow is, fundamentally, a woman who does not currently have a husband. Could these character traits and behaviors apply to non-widowed unmarried women? What can you learn from this passage about pleasing God in your life as a single woman? What is the church’s responsibility toward single women? What is the single woman’s family’s responsibility toward her? What is her responsibility toward her family?
Homework
Consider the relationship between singles and marrieds in your church. Brainstorm some ways you as a single woman could reach out to, fellowship with, and disciple married women in your church. (Married women- vice versa.) This week, pray about, (and, if necessary, talk to your pastor/elders about) how you could put one of these ideas into practice.
Suggested Memory Verse
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28
Posted with permission
michellelesley.com/2019/01/23/imperishable-beauty-lesson-13-the-beauty-of-single-sainthood/
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Post by fearnot on Jan 23, 2019 13:36:57 GMT -5
You will not believe the problems I been having trying to post! 3 plus hours gone and 2 posts.
I am done! Today I mean.
I am bummed and so tired.
I wrote a lot on young woman needing to be taught how to love their children.
I do not get timed out ( in fact, I have gone 30 plus hours with a window up in reply and posted, no problem.
Its when I have 2 FH windows open...
if I forget to close one before I post...
it is then,
that it is lost ( apparently, the post can't go to one FH window and not the other.)
I also explained why I have 2 FH windows up ( because in REPLY ( I cannot scroll up to see a reply from you, or a verse, etc.) quick reply of course I can scroll up, but I can't do different colors, underline etc. soooo I am in reply
therefore, if I need to check more than one thing at different times while writing, I leave the 2 window up.
I do not 'copy' what I am working on, because I often copy scriptures from biblegateway,or commentaries etc.
You will just have to take my word, I did write what I thought was pretty good
Oh and the other weird thing
When I open 2 FH windows they are always in this new board......
but when I forget, and post, without closing one of the 2 open FH windows....
one of the windows
reverts back to the OLD board.....
tho both
WERE... just a second ago, in the new board
Weird????
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I love it when that happens LOL I love the Lord's sense of humor too! 
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