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Post by fearnot on Dec 23, 2018 14:40:33 GMT -5
Yes....
exactly!!!!!!!!
This cold does NOT want to leave.
It is as you say, really really bad one day, then not tooo bad....must be going away YEAH!!!!
Opps!
Not so fast,
its B-A-C-K!!!
Well, it never went away,
it just SEEMED a little better,
and then the next day.....
NOT!!!!
Arrrgghhh grrrrr
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Post by fearnot on Dec 24, 2018 10:44:33 GMT -5
Homework
Read the book of Ruth and/or Esther, specifically examining their example as daughters. How did Ruth and Esther exemplify godly daughterhood as adults, even though Ruth was Naomi’s daughter-in-law and Esther was Mordecai’s cousin?
Answer: I will read both, but start today with Ruth
and tomorrow with Esther and then Answer....I may need an extra day tho....because tomorrow might be a bit busy?
But I will make an update.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 25, 2018 13:02:01 GMT -5
I read and studied ( in the Bible) Ruth, yesterday,
and today
( and tomorrow),
will do the same with Esther.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 26, 2018 13:15:00 GMT -5
Question 7.
Summarize, in your own words, a biblical perspective of “daughterhood”.
Answer:
A daughter is called to obey and respect ( and love) her parents as a child, as an adult she is more called to honor and care for them.
Sometimes in our modern world with so much divorce this can become very tricky, and the medical and government can also confuse things from time to time.
A daughter may have to wade thru several marriages her parents have had, and prioritize who she is to honor and help, starting with her biological parents. Of course if she is adopted, but yet contact has been made with her biological parents, who she can help in a financial way, may have to be established.
Perhaps, one set is better off materially, but not emotionally, or spiritually and so on.
She can pray for her parents at any age and be as much of a help as possible.
She can give praise to those good things about them and not grumble, gossip or whine about the 'bad'.
A daughter can live a lifestyle that honors her parents and does not disgrace them.
She can forgive them and love them.
A daughter can honor her parents most by loving, honoring and obeying God.
How does obeying, honoring, and submitting to the authority of our parents teach us to obey, honor, and submit to the authority of God?
Answer:
When children obey and honor and submit to their parents ( in most cases) they are beginning to obey, submit and honor God, in that they don't steal, lie, murder, etc.
The parent is a symbol of God, pointing to God the Father.
Learning to be obedient and submit to parental authority, makes it easier to do the same with God....otherwise, it a very very steep learning curve ( and many are so rebellious they refuse)!!
How is being a godly daughter to your parents, those you love like parents, and your spiritual parents, a major component of biblical womanhood?
Answer:
Why do I have problems sometimes understanding some of her questions? arrgghh
Well, Not to be a godly daughter, of course, would NOT be a major component of biblical womanhood. It would be that of a lost sinner.
Being a godly daughter to parents is a major component of biblical womanhood, in that it shows the love of God, the care, protection, and provision, etc. from Him.
And it shows the godly daughter's love for God.
Her life and character, backs up God's word.
She is humble not proud and rebellious, and thus she is not rebelling against God.
She is following God's wishes thru being a godly daughter.
Again this is one I need your help on.
You touched on adoption today and that that can add additional parents for a person to honor, which is true. Also today, many people have "parents" that aren't really their parents in any way. They're just people that took them in at times, and cared for them, although it wasn't done legally. I did that with a number of children when my kids were growing up. One of my oldest daughter's friends was often at our house more then their own, and she considers me a second parent. So do a couple of other kids who practically lived at my house while they were growing up... they stayed with us every Friday through Monday year around, coming home on the bus with my kids and going to school on Monday with them. They'd return to their house from Monday afternoon till Friday, when they'd be back at my house again. And of course they spent the holidays with us as well. So I think that for some honoring these people in their life would also count as parents. But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't honor their biological, "real" parents, they should. In other words, while it's ok to add others to the list of parents we should honor, we should never remove any parents the Lord has given us, such as biological or adopted or just friends the Lord placed nearby to be there for us.
I also wanted to mention what Tim Challis said in his article about this...that one of the essential things that we're called to do when God tells us to honor our parents, is to forgive them. It's essential for several reasons: first, no parent is perfect, except of course for God. But all of us mess up and make mistakes, generally lots of them. Many our children never notice, but as they get older they often do recognize some of them. Therefore we all must forgive our parents for their parenting mistakes and their sins against us and against God. When we forgive anyone, but especially our parents, we look the most like Jesus, and that can be an encouragement to us. One thing that holds many people back is that they say they don't understand why their parents did what they did. But this is something else God teaches us - that we don't have to understand the why's, and we often won't; but we still need to forgive anyway. Also a parent never has to explain why they did or didn't do something to their child - even if that child is an adult now. I made the mistake of explaining some things to one of my kids who was an adult at the time, and now realize that I never should have done so, and I never will again. Too often today people with hold forgiveness until they "understand" and that's wrong.
Yes....
exactly!!!!!!!!
This cold does NOT want to leave.
It is as you say, really really bad one day, then not tooo bad....must be going away YEAH!!!!
Opps!
Not so fast,
its B-A-C-K!!!
Well, it never went away,
it just SEEMED a little better,
and then the next day.....
NOT!!!!
Arrrgghhh grrrrr Homework
Read the book of Ruth and/or Esther, specifically examining their example as daughters. How did Ruth and Esther exemplify godly daughterhood as adults, even though Ruth was Naomi’s daughter-in-law and Esther was Mordecai’s cousin?
Answer: I will read both, but start today with Ruth
and tomorrow with Esther and then Answer....I may need an extra day tho....because tomorrow might be a bit busy?
But I will make an update.
I read and studied ( in the Bible) Ruth, yesterday,
and today
( and tomorrow),
will do the same with Esther. |
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Post by Cindy on Dec 27, 2018 11:22:38 GMT -5
Well the other study isn't up yet, but since you just read Ruth and she did a lesson on that, I figured I'd post that instead for now. (especially since I remembered she said the next one wouldn't be till the new year lol)
Read the following overviews of the book of Ruth, taking notes on anything that might aid your understanding of the book, and answer the questions below: Bible Introductions: Ruth at Grace to You
Questions to Consider
1. What is the approximate date Ruth was written? During what period of Israel’s history (kings, exile, judges, antediluvian, etc.) was Ruth written?
2. What is the theme or purpose of the book of Ruth?
3. What else did you learn about Ruth or the setting of this book that might help you understand the text of the book better?
Read Ruth 1
1. In verses 8-13, what is Naomi’s main concern for Ruth and Orpah? Considering the culture and socio-economic status of women at that time, was this a valid concern? But considering the fact that Ruth and Orpah would be returning to a life of idolatry (15) if they stayed in Moab, why didn’t Naomi concern herself more with their spiritual state and urge them to come back to Bethlehem with her? Is it possible Ruth was already a believer and didn’t want to stay in a land of idolatry? Could this have been one of the things on Ruth’s mind in verses 16-17? (Note Ruth’s mention of “God” in 16 and her invoking of “the Lord” in her vow in 17).
2. Describe Naomi’s outlook and attitude in verses 20-21. The Bible tells us to give thanks in all circumstances. Naomi had certainly been through some sad and difficult times, but she had many things to be thankful for. What were some of those things? What impact might it have had on the women of Bethlehem (19) if Naomi had testified to God’s love, care, and faithfulness in her adversity instead of spewing bitterness?
3. Which of God’s attributes do we see displayed in this chapter? Point to examples in the text of God’s sovereignty, provision, guidance, and other attributes you see.
Read Ruth 2
1. What is gleaning? Who was gleaning to provide for according to Levitical law? Where did Ruth and Naomi fit into this law? What sorts of things would Boaz have done to obey this law? (cf. 15,16) How is gleaning an example of God’s love and care for all of His people? How can the gleaning laws serve as an example to the church today?
2. Did Ruth know who Boaz was before she got home and Naomi told her? (19-20) Did Boaz know who Ruth was? How does this demonstrate God’s sovereignty, providence (2-3- Did Ruth really just “happen” to come to Boaz’s field?), the infallibility of His plans, and the truth of verses such as Proverbs 3:5-6?
3. Examine verses 1, 4, 8-16. Write a brief character sketch or description of Boaz. Boaz is a type of Christ. What are some aspects of Boaz’s character that point ahead to the character of Christ? How does Boaz’s (an Israelite) open arms welcome of Ruth (a non-Israelite foreigner) point ahead to God’s inclusion of Gentiles in salvation?
4. Compare verse 20 with Naomi’s outlook and attitude in chapter 1. How has her focus and perspective changed? How can thankfulness and recognizing how God has blessed us change us from bitter “Maras” to pleasant “Naomis”?
5. Which fruit of the Spirit is most prominently displayed by Ruth to Naomi and Boaz to Ruth? Ask God to grow you in this area and help you find ways to display it to others.
Read Ruth 3
1. In order to understand what is about to transpire between Ruth and Boaz in Ruth 3 and 4, it’s important to familiarize yourself with Deuteronomy 25:5-10, God’s instructions for levirate marriage. What was the purpose of levirate marriage? Why is it significant that Boaz was a relative of Naomi’s? (2) How was he related to her family? What did it mean that Boaz was a “redeemer,” and that there was a nearer redeemer than he? (9, 12-13)
2. Naomi’s instructions to Ruth (1-8) may seem a little odd, even inappropriate, to our Christian way of thinking. This is why it’s important, when studying God’s word, to understand, as best we can, the culture and customs of the audience of the book we’re studying. Read this commentary on Ruth 3:2-4. Were Ruth’s actions in any way immoral or inappropriate, biblically, or in her culture? What did Ruth mean when she said, “Spread the corner of your garment over me” (Ruth 3:9) ? What was Ruth trying to convey to Boaz by her words and actions?
3. What are some ways Ruth demonstrates submission and humility in this passage? Compare Ruth’s demeanor with 1 Peter 3:4. How does Ruth model a “gentle and quiet spirit”?
4. Examine Naomi’s wisdom and counsel to Ruth in this chapter. How does Naomi exemplify the older “Titus 2 Woman“? How does Ruth exemplify the younger “Titus 2 Woman”? “Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.” (Titus 2:3–5)
5. If Boaz is a type (symbol, foreshadowing) of Christ, who does Ruth symbolize? Did Ruth have anything to offer Boaz that would make this marriage materially beneficial to him? When we come to Christ as sinners, do we have anything to offer Him that would make us “worthy” of saving? Compare Ruth’s humility and dependence on the good graces of Boaz to redeem her to our humility and dependence on God’s grace and mercy to redeem us. Compare verses 13b-14 to Ephesians 2:1,4-6. If Ruth represents us as sinners, what does her lying down for the night and rising at dawn symbolize?
Read Ruth 4
1. Briefly refresh your memory on Deuteronomy 25:5-10 (God’s instructions for levirate marriage), and read Leviticus 25:23-28 (God’s instructions for selling and redeeming property). Compare the actions of Boaz and the other redeemer (1-10) to these two passages. Did both of them obey the law? Since Boaz is a type of Christ, how does his fulfillment of this law point us to Christ’s fulfillment of the Law? Compare Boaz’s obedience to the law in order to redeem Ruth to Christ’s obedience to the Law in order to redeem sinners.
2. Why do you think Boaz first proffered the sale of the property to the other redeemer rather than mentioning Ruth first? (3-5)
3. Compare the other redeemer’s unwillingness to bear the cost of redeeming Ruth (6) with Boaz’s willingness to endure great cost to himself to redeem Ruth (9-10). How does this point us to Christ’s willingness to empty Himself of the riches of Heaven to redeem sinners?
4. Examine verses 9-10. Would you characterize this business transaction more as an investment for financial gain or the purchase of a debt? Who stood to gain materially from this transaction, Ruth or Boaz? How? When Christ redeemed us by purchasing us with His blood, who stood to gain from that transaction, Him or us? Read these passages, and examine Christ’s purchase of our sin debt and the benefit we receive at salvation by His righteousness being imputed to us.
5. Notice the impact Ruth and Naomi’s story had on the women of the town who had been watching these events transpire. (13-17) How were Ruth’s, Naomi’s, and Boaz’s godly behavior a witness to these women of God’s goodness and faithfulness? Consider your own life. How could your godly words and actions point watching women to Christ and open a door for you to share the gospel with them?
6. Why did the women say, “A son has been born to Naomi,” (Ruth 4:17) when Obed was Ruth’s baby? (10)
7. Compare verses 18-21 with these passages. How do the people mentioned in verses 18-21 fit into the family line of Christ? How does the story of Ruth and her family line showcase God’s sovereignty and the way – centuries in advance – He was setting events in motion and working out His plan for the coming of Christ?
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/ruth-bible-study/
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Post by fearnot on Dec 27, 2018 14:11:07 GMT -5
Thank you as always for your help and encouragement!!
I really think, that over the years, I have grown as a result.
For example, while reading Esther, I was astounded, how much more I saw this time around.
From previous readings, I had the basic story and some of the basic themes, wisdom, etc.
But this time around, I can't tell you how many times, I said to myself:
"Oh! I don't remember that, or.....OH! Wow, I missed that from previous readings, and that explains a lot! LOL
You get the idea......
In part, I think it's a result of slowing down and not sped reading,
but also,
over the years,
I have been trained to think ,
or
'Biblical' mediate on Scripture
( not some mid eastern religion type of mediation)
etc.
etc.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 27, 2018 18:57:15 GMT -5
Questions to Consider
1. What is the approximate date Ruth was written? During what period of Israel’s history (kings, exile, judges, antediluvian, etc.) was Ruth written?
Answer:
The best estimate seems to be around or between 1011 and 931 B.C.
During the period of Israel’s of Judge history
2. What is the theme or purpose of the book of Ruth?
Answer:
It shows what true honor, obedience and love looks like ( It is not necessarily biological family only we give it too).
3. What else did you learn about Ruth or the setting of this book that might help you understand the text of the book better?
Answer:
It shows that "God’s redemptive plan extended beyond the Jews to Gentile" and ( About the kinsman- redeemer).
It "demonstrates that women are co-heirs with men of God’s salvation grace"
Also, that David’s right (and thus Christ’s right) to the throne of Israel is traced back to Judah.
Ruth represents at least the 11th generation of Moabites, therefore Ruth could most likely enter in assembly.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 28, 2018 11:17:32 GMT -5
Thank you as always for your help and encouragement!!
I really think, that over the years, I have grown as a result.
For example, while reading Esther, I was astounded, how much more I saw this time around.
From previous readings, I had the basic story and some of the basic themes, wisdom, etc.
But this time around, I can't tell you how many times, I said to myself:
"Oh! I don't remember that, or.....OH! Wow, I missed that from previous readings, and that explains a lot! LOL
You get the idea......
In part, I think it's a result of slowing down and not sped reading,
but also,
over the years,
I have been trained to think ,
or
'Biblical' mediate on Scripture
( not some mid eastern religion type of mediation)
etc.
etc.
Questions to Consider
1. What is the approximate date Ruth was written? During what period of Israel’s history (kings, exile, judges, antediluvian, etc.) was Ruth written?
Answer:
The best estimate seems to be around or between 1011 and 931 B.C.
During the period of Israel’s of Judge history
2. What is the theme or purpose of the book of Ruth?
Answer:
It shows what true honor, obedience and love looks like ( It is not necessarily biological family only we give it too).
3. What else did you learn about Ruth or the setting of this book that might help you understand the text of the book better?
Answer:
It shows that "God’s redemptive plan extended beyond the Jews to Gentile" and ( About the kinsman- redeemer).
It "demonstrates that women are co-heirs with men of God’s salvation grace"
Also, that David’s right (and thus Christ’s right) to the throne of Israel is traced back to Judah.
Ruth represents at least the 11th generation of Moabites, therefore Ruth could most likely enter in assembly.
I would like to address the 2nd question though. Your answer was very good and you covered some in question 3, but I'd still like to list them anyway in case others read this thread. Let me quote from MacArthur. (PS in something like this that's fairly long, feel free to do the same or just put it in your own words...) Numbers 1, 2 and 7 are especially important to me!
At least seven major theological themes emerge in Ruth.
1, Ruth the Moabitess illustrates that God’s redemptive plan extended beyond the Jews to Gentiles (2:12).
2, Ruth demonstrates that women are co-heirs with men of God’s salvation grace (cf. 1 Pet. 3:7). 3, Ruth portrays the virtuous woman of Proverbs 31:10 (cf. 3:11).
4, Ruth describes God’s sovereign (1:6; 4:13) and providential care (2:3) of seemingly unimportant people at apparently insignificant times which later prove to be monumentally crucial to accomplishing God’s will.
5, Ruth along with Tamar (Gen. 38), Rahab (Josh. 2) and Bathsheba (2 Sam. 11–12) stand in Christ’s genealogy (4:17, 22; cf. Matt. 1:5).
6, Boaz, as a type of Christ, becomes Ruth’s kinsman-redeemer (4:1–).
7, David’s right (and thus Christ’s right) to the throne of Israel is traced back to Judah (4:18–22; cf. Gen. 49:8–12).
The MacArthur Bible handbook
The themes you listed are also quite real and in Ruth. That's why MacArthur said "at least 7"!
When I looked up the Purpose behind the book of Ruth, most said it was to show the sovereignty of God, and His providential care of those committed to Him. (which MacArthur states in #4) I think I'd have had trouble with that question too. I didn't pay close enough attention when I copied that question or I would have changed it so that it wouldn't have lumped purpose and themes together. Some commentators address them both as one and some as separate, and they really are pretty much the same thing.
Hope you're feeling better!
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Post by fearnot on Dec 28, 2018 13:24:57 GMT -5
Thank you for suggesting I could write them out like you did.....it was a little confusing to me as how to answer that....no surprise there LOL
but I was thinking, I wanted to include all of them, in case someone was reading this study, but did want to go to the other site in order to read the MacArthur article....
soooo, I thought, it might be helpful, to include all 7 but then, was not sure etc.
At the moment feeling a bit better....tho yesterday, Leonard's came back
and
I had the weird's super bad leg cramps for days!!!
It's only at about 10% of what it was...at the moment, but it was so bad, I am quite leery of it coming back in full force.
I am not sure, it's connected with the cold tho?
Did you have anything like that?
I seem to recall maybe you did in the beginning?
The muscles in my legs were so tight...like concrete...but also my back was in a lot of pain as well...so maybe it came from that and/or my hips?
I wondered if it was because I was so sick and I barely moved, so my leg muscles reacted that way?
Still they are threatening me...
I could be lacking some vitamin or mineral as a result of body fighting enemy germs?
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Post by fearnot on Dec 28, 2018 15:06:31 GMT -5
Question 1.
Briefly refresh your memory on Deuteronomy 25:5-10 (God’s instructions for levirate marriage), and read Leviticus 25:23-28 (God’s instructions for selling and redeeming property). Compare the actions of Boaz and the other redeemer (1-10) to these two passages.
Answer:
At first, both Boaz and the other buyer were willing to redeem the property.
It wasn't until, it became clear that Ruth and the levirate marriage was also a part of it, that the other buyer opted out.
Did both of them obey the law?
Answer:
I am not sure about the other buyer....if he had a wife then his refusal, would have been lawful, or if he did not have the money ( but at first he agreed to buy the land, so it seems like he had the money and Ruth was more the problem?).
Boaz for sure, obeyed all the law.
Since Boaz is a type of Christ, how does his fulfillment of this law point us to Christ’s fulfillment of the Law?
Answer:
Even at the start of the book Boaz goes above and beyond the law, allowing Ruth to glean much more than the law demanded....and Christ went so far above as to be impossible to ever know.
Boaz helping the 'helpless' (by law and by love) points to the greatest example of Christ
fulfilling the law
( of sin having to be paid for by eternity in Hell....
or by a perfect substitute....Jesus)
and thus,
Jesus help sinners who were helpless to save themselves from Hell,
because they could not pay the price ( not being 'perfect').
Boaz acted as the kinsman-redeemer (following the law), points to our greatest kinsman-redeemer Jesus
Also, the mercy was extended to those outside of just the Jews ( by Boaz to Ruth the Moabite, and Jesus who will accept all who trust in Him...Gentiles.)
Compare Boaz’s obedience to the law in order to redeem Ruth to Christ’s obedience to the Law in order to redeem sinners.
Answer:
I kind of thought that was more or less answered above?
Oh well...LOL
Boaz's obedience to the law, as the kinsman-redeemer came with a price ( allbeit small) but Jesus obedience to the law in order to redeem us, came with an unimaginable price!!
The redeemer had to be by law, a close family member which Boaz was,
and Jesus became our 'brother', when as 100% God .....He became 100% man.
Both Boaz and Lord Jesus, not only followed the law but did it promptly:
"the man (Boaz) will not be in rest, until he have finished the thing this day” (Ruth 3:18)
and Jesus, in 6 hours cried: It is finished!!
Boaz redeemed Ruth...and Naomi, by following the law to the letter
but Christ redeemed millions maybe billions of people, by also following every jot and title of the law.
Boaz followed the law in the public arena of the day, at the gate,
and Jesus, the spiritual law of paying for sins, atonement,
on the Cross.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 29, 2018 11:18:09 GMT -5
Why do you think Boaz first proffered the sale of the property to the other redeemer rather than mentioning Ruth first? (3-5)
Answer:
I think it was to perhaps get a true understanding of the others real intentions and character of the other redeemer.
Perhaps the fact, the other redeemer did not ask any other questions, showed to Boaz,
that the other guy was just interested in gaining more land for himself, and did not really care, about who the poor person was,
or
the guy figured, Naomi was so old she would not have any more children,
so he would be able to keep the land forever (greed).
Boaz, as a result of the hasty yes given,
with no other questions asked,
probably could pretty much discern that the other man,
would not want to also perform his levirate marriage duty
( and thus the land would go to any son Ruth might have with him).
Plus, the other man learned she was a Moabitess,
which again his hasty ( greed?) willingness to accept a huge unexpected "gift", no questions asked....
might point, to the possibility, that he did not have the character,
and/or integrity,
to deal with that either.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 30, 2018 11:38:40 GMT -5
Question 3
Compare the other redeemer’s unwillingness to bear the cost of redeeming Ruth (6) with Boaz’s willingness to endure great cost to himself to redeem Ruth (9-10).
Answer:
The other redeemer was only willing ( it seemed to me) to add material wealth ( in this case more land), which could have been a greedy attitude, because when it became clear that it also meant the cost of redeeming Ruth ( and the land would one day go to her son), he no longer was interested.
To be fair to him, I don't know if he already had a wife and children, but on the other hand I don't think it clearly says he does. However, I also wonder if the fact Ruth was a Moabite also had something to do with it....if so, that would have been a lack of compassion, not only for Ruth, but Naomi ( a close relative).
His focus seemed to be on the material benefit to himself, not on the people or any spiritual duty or resulting joy of obeying the Lord.
On the other hand, Boaz was not only willing to buy the land, but redeem Ruth ( and thus Naomi also).
Boaz showed great care, compassion and love to these two helpless woman.
It doesnot say exactly how much the land was selling for, but there were other cost, a wedding, providing for a wife, child, and mother-in-law ( sort of), etc.
Also Boaz seemed to be, perhaps, quite a bit older than Ruth,
and maybe had never been married...
in any case, he was going to have to go from being a bachelor to a man with many more people living with him ( a big adjustment).
How does this point us to Christ’s willingness to empty Himself of the riches of Heaven to redeem sinner
Answer:
Jesus being God, owned everything ( he created this universe, and will someday create another universe...nothing was/ is/ or will be impossible with or for Him.
In Heaven, He was adored by all the remaining 2/3 of the angels
and there was no limit to anything He might want ( He could create it in a moment even).
But in order to redeem us, He left Heaven, limited His power and abilities as God. and all the honor, praise, worship, a complete loving relationship with God the Father and Holy Spirit, glory, etc.
Instead He became ( tho still 100 percent God),
100 % poor ( materially) man,
with limited capabilities,
in the form of a servant,
humble,
obedient to an incredibly cruel death ( for us),
taking on the full wrath of God the Father, etc.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 31, 2018 12:40:36 GMT -5
Question 4.
Examine verses 9-10. Would you characterize this business transaction more as an investment for financial gain or the purchase of a debt
Answer:
A purchase of a debt
Who stood to gain materially from this transaction, Ruth or Boaz? How?
Answer:
I would think both really...by buying the land, Boaz gain materially, but marring Boaz, Ruth also gained what Boaz had materially.
When Christ redeemed us by purchasing us with His blood, who stood to gain from that transaction, Him or us?
Answer:
Both
but we desperately needed Him ( we gained salvation), and tho He gained a people for Himself, it was not that He needed us.
Read these passages, and examine Christ’s purchase of our sin debt and the benefit we receive at salvation by His righteousness being imputed to us.
Answer:
Our sins have to be paid for, or there would be no justice. The cost of our sins is to be separated from God eternally. Sin always grows.
But for those who trust In Jesus,
He not only paid the price of our sin debt,
and we gained salvation,
we were also born again, made new,
and we received His righteousness imputed to us.
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Post by fearnot on Jan 1, 2019 10:42:21 GMT -5
Question 5.
Notice the impact Ruth and Naomi’s story had on the women of the town who had been watching these events transpire. (13-17) How were Ruth’s, Naomi’s, and Boaz’s godly behavior a witness to these women of God’s goodness and faithfulness?
Answer:
First they give God the credit for Naomi to have a son/grandson, which without God's intervention would not have happened.
However, even tho Naomi was extremely depressed, and might have felt like blaming her husband for his bad choice of moving to Moab, and blaming God because she lost her husband and 2 sons to death, she nevertheless, allow Ruth to come with her back to Israel.
I could imagine some might have absolutely insisted Ruth NOT go with them back to Israel, figuring they had suffered enough, and to bring a Moabite back might only cause them more trouble, because the Israelites might be upset.
However, the people saw how much Ruth loved and cared for Naomi, how faithful she was, what a hard
worker she was, and how Godly her behavior was at all times, their attitude changed to praising God.
Boaz also showed loving, caring, honest, Godly behavior and the town people saw that God choose to reward all 3.
Consider your own life. How could your godly word
What words and actions point watching women to Christ and open a door for you to share the gospel with them?
Answer:
I am thinking that kindness can often work wonders.
And in today's age, of me, me , me first etc.
For me or any Christian to sacrifice for someone, would be a potential way to point people to Jesus.
Along the same lines, people today are being taught to be proud of themselves and toot their own horn, so by being humble ( building others up honestly) is another way that points to the Lord.
These are all things I could, should and need to do.
Sometimes I could offer to pray with or for them, or let them know, I will be praying for them.
I can tell them what they mean to me.
I can give what I can to help those in need ( which points to God's provision)
Offer to help clean, cook, babysit, garden etc. (whatever I am capable of doing) especially if someone is sick,
overwhelmed etc.
Even seemingly small things like a smile, or a hug can point to Jesus....I can do that and it points to His love.
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Post by fearnot on Jan 2, 2019 11:55:41 GMT -5
Question 6.
Why did the women say, “A son has been born to Naomi,” (Ruth 4:17) when Obed was Ruth’s baby? (10)
Answer:
I am thinking in part it has to do with this child carrying on the name of Naomi's family, and even more importantly, and he was in the line of Jesus.
Also, she may have been very involved in raising him.
Just my own silly thought.....
in the word grandmother.....
is the word...mother....only.... grand LOL
I also think maybe the woman said that, because, when Naomi first came back, it looked very bleak for her, but God was able to turn it around to joy...
and tho she lost her 2 sons, in a sense, she had gained another one.
This is kind of a difficult question, so I am looking forward to your answer!!!! :-)
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Post by Cindy on Jan 2, 2019 12:58:46 GMT -5
Thank you for suggesting I could write them out like you did.....it was a little confusing to me as how to answer that....no surprise there LOL
but I was thinking, I wanted to include all of them, in case someone was reading this study, but did want to go to the other site in order to read the MacArthur article....
soooo, I thought, it might be helpful, to include all 7 but then, was not sure etc.
At the moment feeling a bit better....tho yesterday, Leonard's came back
and
I had the weird's super bad leg cramps for days!!!
It's only at about 10% of what it was...at the moment, but it was so bad, I am quite leery of it coming back in full force.
I am not sure, it's connected with the cold tho?
Did you have anything like that?
I seem to recall maybe you did in the beginning?
The muscles in my legs were so tight...like concrete...but also my back was in a lot of pain as well...so maybe it came from that and/or my hips?
I wondered if it was because I was so sick and I barely moved, so my leg muscles reacted that way?
Still they are threatening me...
I could be lacking some vitamin or mineral as a result of body fighting enemy germs?
Question 1.
Briefly refresh your memory on Deuteronomy 25:5-10 (God’s instructions for levirate marriage), and read Leviticus 25:23-28 (God’s instructions for selling and redeeming property). Compare the actions of Boaz and the other redeemer (1-10) to these two passages.
Answer:
At first, both Boaz and the other buyer were willing to redeem the property.
It wasn't until, it became clear that Ruth and the levirate marriage was also a part of it, that the other buyer opted out.
Did both of them obey the law?
Answer:
I am not sure about the other buyer....if he had a wife then his refusal, would have been lawful, or if he did not have the money ( but at first he agreed to buy the land, so it seems like he had the money and Ruth was more the problem?).
Boaz for sure, obeyed all the law.
Since Boaz is a type of Christ, how does his fulfillment of this law point us to Christ’s fulfillment of the Law?
Answer:
Even at the start of the book Boaz goes above and beyond the law, allowing Ruth to glean much more than the law demanded....and Christ went so far above as to be impossible to ever know.
Boaz helping the 'helpless' (by law and by love) points to the greatest example of Christ
fulfilling the law
( of sin having to be paid for by eternity in Hell....
or by a perfect substitute....Jesus)
and thus,
Jesus help sinners who were helpless to save themselves from Hell,
because they could not pay the price ( not being 'perfect').
Boaz acted as the kinsman-redeemer (following the law), points to our greatest kinsman-redeemer Jesus
Also, the mercy was extended to those outside of just the Jews ( by Boaz to Ruth the Moabite, and Jesus who will accept all who trust in Him...Gentiles.)
Compare Boaz’s obedience to the law in order to redeem Ruth to Christ’s obedience to the Law in order to redeem sinners.
Answer:
I kind of thought that was more or less answered above?
Oh well...LOL
Boaz's obedience to the law, as the kinsman-redeemer came with a price ( allbeit small) but Jesus obedience to the law in order to redeem us, came with an unimaginable price!!
The redeemer had to be by law, a close family member which Boaz was,
and Jesus became our 'brother', when as 100% God .....He became 100% man.
Both Boaz and Lord Jesus, not only followed the law but did it promptly:
"the man (Boaz) will not be in rest, until he have finished the thing this day” (Ruth 3:18)
and Jesus, in 6 hours cried: It is finished!!
Boaz redeemed Ruth...and Naomi, by following the law to the letter
but Christ redeemed millions maybe billions of people, by also following every jot and title of the law.
Boaz followed the law in the public arena of the day, at the gate,
and Jesus, the spiritual law of paying for sins, atonement,
on the Cross.
About the other buyer, yes he also obeyed the law, at least the letter of the law. He stated he didn't want to jeopardize his own inheritance buy redeeming Ruth and the land. He already had a family and children and wanted them to have his land, so didn't want to deal with the problem of adding Ruth and the possibility of another child. I love what this commentary has to say about it: It’s worth noting that the nearer kinsman tried to protect his name and inheritance; but we don’t even know what his name was or what happened to his family! Boaz took the risk of love and obedience, and his name is written down in Scripture and held in honor. “He who does the will of God abides forever” (1 John 2:17). This also explains why Orpah’s name is missing in Ruth 4:9–10. Be Committed.
You did excellent in telling about Boaz being a type of Christ, as one thing that we often overlook is that the kinsman redeemer had to be related to the person who's land was being redeemed, or to the person themselves. Jesus had to become a man so He would be related to us! That is just so cool to me!
I like how you pointed out that they both did it promptly too. It reminds me of how the gospels say that Jesus resolutely or steadfastly set out for Jerusalem.
The gate was where court was held in those days, so Boaz basically went to court to take care of the legal matter, and Jesus also went to court, (because no one could have forced Him to go, regardless of what the chief priests at the time thought). Both legal matters were therefore settled according to the law of that time.
Why do you think Boaz first proffered the sale of the property to the other redeemer rather than mentioning Ruth first? (3-5)
Answer:
I think it was to perhaps get a true understanding of the others real intentions and character of the other redeemer.
Perhaps the fact, the other redeemer did not ask any other questions, showed to Boaz,
that the other guy was just interested in gaining more land for himself, and did not really care, about who the poor person was,
or
the guy figured, Naomi was so old she would not have any more children,
so he would be able to keep the land forever (greed).
Boaz, as a result of the hasty yes given,
with no other questions asked,
probably could pretty much discern that the other man,
would not want to also perform his levirate marriage duty
( and thus the land would go to any son Ruth might have with him).
Plus, the other man learned she was a Moabitess,
which again his hasty ( greed?) willingness to accept a huge unexpected "gift", no questions asked....
might point, to the possibility, that he did not have the character,
and/or integrity,
to deal with that either.
Question 3
Compare the other redeemer’s unwillingness to bear the cost of redeeming Ruth (6) with Boaz’s willingness to endure great cost to himself to redeem Ruth (9-10).
Answer:
The other redeemer was only willing ( it seemed to me) to add material wealth ( in this case more land), which could have been a greedy attitude, because when it became clear that it also meant the cost of redeeming Ruth ( and the land would one day go to her son), he no longer was interested.
To be fair to him, I don't know if he already had a wife and children, but on the other hand I don't think it clearly says he does. However, I also wonder if the fact Ruth was a Moabite also had something to do with it....if so, that would have been a lack of compassion, not only for Ruth, but Naomi ( a close relative).
His focus seemed to be on the material benefit to himself, not on the people or any spiritual duty or resulting joy of obeying the Lord.
On the other hand, Boaz was not only willing to buy the land, but redeem Ruth ( and thus Naomi also).
Boaz showed great care, compassion and love to these two helpless woman.
It doesnot say exactly how much the land was selling for, but there were other cost, a wedding, providing for a wife, child, and mother-in-law ( sort of), etc.
Also Boaz seemed to be, perhaps, quite a bit older than Ruth,
and maybe had never been married...
in any case, he was going to have to go from being a bachelor to a man with many more people living with him ( a big adjustment).
How does this point us to Christ’s willingness to empty Himself of the riches of Heaven to redeem sinner
Answer:
Jesus being God, owned everything ( he created this universe, and will someday create another universe...nothing was/ is/ or will be impossible with or for Him.
In Heaven, He was adored by all the remaining 2/3 of the angels
and there was no limit to anything He might want ( He could create it in a moment even).
But in order to redeem us, He left Heaven, limited His power and abilities as God. and all the honor, praise, worship, a complete loving relationship with God the Father and Holy Spirit, glory, etc.
Instead He became ( tho still 100 percent God),
100 % poor ( materially) man,
with limited capabilities,
in the form of a servant,
humble,
obedient to an incredibly cruel death ( for us),
taking on the full wrath of God the Father, etc.
Let me share from some commentaries about the other potential redeemer to answer if he already had a family:
“At this, the kinsman-redeemer said, “Then I cannot redeem it because I might endanger my own estate. You redeem it yourself. I cannot do it.”” (Ruth 4:6) Yes, he had a family already.
This consequence would follow, either, first, from his having a son by Ruth, who, though heir to the property, would not bear his name; his name would be extinguished in that of her former husband; or, secondly, from its having to be subdivided among his other children, which he had probably by a previous marriage. This right, therefore, was renounced and assigned in favor of Boaz, in the way of whose marriage with Ruth the only existing obstacle was now removed. Commentary Critical and Explanatory
Redeeming the land by itself would have been a good investment because the land would be inherited by the redeemer’s own children. But redeeming Ruth with the land would result in its being left to Ruth’s offspring (for the line of Elimelech). Any resources spent on redeeming the land and raising the offspring would damage his own children’s inheritance since it would benefit the line of Elimelech. Faithlife Study Bible
Boaz proceeded to remind him that in the day that he bought the field of Naomi, he would also have to buy it of Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead. By the nature of the transaction the kinsman would never actually own the land itself, but would actually hold it in trust for the son of Ruth in order to raise up the name of the dead. By cleverly presenting the matter the way that he did, Boaz confronted the other kinsman with a dual responsibility involving a great expenditure which he was not willing to make. He must have reasoned in order to buy Naomi’s land he would have to invest a part of the value of his own estate, or inheritance.… He seemed willing to redeem Naomi’s property if it should not hurt him personally, or if he might possibly gain from it, but he could not accept the responsibility if it should eventuate in a diminution of his own resources and a consequent injustice of his own heir. KJV Bible Commentary.
Question 4.
Examine verses 9-10. Would you characterize this business transaction more as an investment for financial gain or the purchase of a debt
Answer:
A purchase of a debt
Who stood to gain materially from this transaction, Ruth or Boaz? How?
Answer:
I would think both really...by buying the land, Boaz gain materially, but marring Boaz, Ruth also gained what Boaz had materially.
When Christ redeemed us by purchasing us with His blood, who stood to gain from that transaction, Him or us?
Answer:
Both
but we desperately needed Him ( we gained salvation), and tho He gained a people for Himself, it was not that He needed us.
Read these passages, and examine Christ’s purchase of our sin debt and the benefit we receive at salvation by His righteousness being imputed to us.
Answer:
Our sins have to be paid for, or there would be no justice. The cost of our sins is to be separated from God eternally. Sin always grows.
But for those who trust In Jesus,
He not only paid the price of our sin debt,
and we gained salvation,
we were also born again, made new,
and we received His righteousness imputed to us.
I think I messed up when copying the lesson for you. That last one is supposed to say:
Read these passages, 2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Peter 3:18, Isaiah 53:5, Isaiah 53:11, and examine Christ’s purchase of our sin debt and the benefit we receive at salvation by His righteousness being imputed to us.
If it's ok, I'd like to take a shot of answering this one:
About who stood to gain materially from this transaction, Ruth or Boaz? That's a tough one for me... because Boaz had to pay for the land, and give a bride price for Ruth (which was kept by her family - in this case Naomi - in case she became divorced or widowed) so he was out of a lot of money at that point. As far as the land goes, we don't know how worthwhile the land was. Also, normally, women never owned anything in those days. Land and material possessions were always owned by the Father and then later the husband. (a widow was normally sent back to her Father's house and was again under him. so only when there was no father or husband left would a woman own anything, although she of course could use what they owned to a certain degree.) We assume that Ruth and Boaz loved each other and lived happily ever after, but we're really not told anything. Ruth got a husband to look after her and Naomi, for the husband at that time is committed to take care of the extended family, as they all lived together in the same house. So they were now secure, with a roof over their heads, food to eat, clothes to wear, etc, as Boaz had to provide for them. Boaz took on a huge financial commitment when he redeemed the land and Ruth. Hopefully he got a wife that loved him and would care for him out of it - which I believe he did. Having said all that, now that I look at it, it does look like what Jesus did for us. He paid a huge price for us, promising to care for us and provide for us, hoping He'd get some who would love Him out of it, and He did.
Question 5.
Notice the impact Ruth and Naomi’s story had on the women of the town who had been watching these events transpire. (13-17) How were Ruth’s, Naomi’s, and Boaz’s godly behavior a witness to these women of God’s goodness and faithfulness?
Answer:
First they give God the credit for Naomi to have a son/grandson, which without God's intervention would not have happened.
However, even tho Naomi was extremely depressed, and might have felt like blaming her husband for his bad choice of moving to Moab, and blaming God because she lost her husband and 2 sons to death, she nevertheless, allow Ruth to come with her back to Israel.
I could imagine some might have absolutely insisted Ruth NOT go with them back to Israel, figuring they had suffered enough, and to bring a Moabite back might only cause them more trouble, because the Israelites might be upset.
However, the people saw how much Ruth loved and cared for Naomi, how faithful she was, what a hard
worker she was, and how Godly her behavior was at all times, their attitude changed to praising God.
Boaz also showed loving, caring, honest, Godly behavior and the town people saw that God choose to reward all 3.
Consider your own life. How could your godly words and actions point watching women to Christ and open a door for you to share the gospel with them?
Answer:
I am thinking that kindness can often work wonders.
And in today's age, of me, me , me first etc.
For me or any Christian to sacrifice for someone, would be a potential way to point people to Jesus.
Along the same lines, people today are being taught to be proud of themselves and toot their own horn, so by being humble ( building others up honestly) is another way that points to the Lord.
These are all things I could, should and need to do.
Sometimes I could offer to pray with or for them, or let them know, I will be praying for them.
I can tell them what they mean to me.
I can give what I can to help those in need ( which points to God's provision)
Offer to help clean, cook, babysit, garden etc. (whatever I am capable of doing) especially if someone is sick,
overwhelmed etc.
Even seemingly small things like a smile, or a hug can point to Jesus....I can do that and it points to His love.
I messed up on the last question too, so I'll post them here for you:
6. Why did the women say, “A son has been born to Naomi,” (Ruth 4:17) when Obed was Ruth’s baby? (10)
7. Compare verses 18-21 with these passages. How do the people mentioned in verses 18-21 fit into the family line of Christ? How does the story of Ruth and her family line showcase God’s sovereignty and the way – centuries in advance – He was setting events in motion and working out His plan for the coming of Christ?
Sorry about that! She still doesn't have the next one posted so maybe tomorrow she will.....
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Post by Cindy on Jan 2, 2019 13:28:03 GMT -5
Thank you for suggesting I could write them out like you did.....it was a little confusing to me as how to answer that....no surprise there LOL
but I was thinking, I wanted to include all of them, in case someone was reading this study, but did want to go to the other site in order to read the MacArthur article....
soooo, I thought, it might be helpful, to include all 7 but then, was not sure etc.
At the moment feeling a bit better....tho yesterday, Leonard's came back
and
I had the weird's super bad leg cramps for days!!!
It's only at about 10% of what it was...at the moment, but it was so bad, I am quite leery of it coming back in full force.
I am not sure, it's connected with the cold tho?
Did you have anything like that?
I seem to recall maybe you did in the beginning?
The muscles in my legs were so tight...like concrete...but also my back was in a lot of pain as well...so maybe it came from that and/or my hips?
I wondered if it was because I was so sick and I barely moved, so my leg muscles reacted that way?
Still they are threatening me...
I could be lacking some vitamin or mineral as a result of body fighting enemy germs?
Question 1.
Briefly refresh your memory on Deuteronomy 25:5-10 (God’s instructions for levirate marriage), and read Leviticus 25:23-28 (God’s instructions for selling and redeeming property). Compare the actions of Boaz and the other redeemer (1-10) to these two passages.
Answer:
At first, both Boaz and the other buyer were willing to redeem the property.
It wasn't until, it became clear that Ruth and the levirate marriage was also a part of it, that the other buyer opted out.
Did both of them obey the law?
Answer:
I am not sure about the other buyer....if he had a wife then his refusal, would have been lawful, or if he did not have the money ( but at first he agreed to buy the land, so it seems like he had the money and Ruth was more the problem?).
Boaz for sure, obeyed all the law.
Since Boaz is a type of Christ, how does his fulfillment of this law point us to Christ’s fulfillment of the Law?
Answer:
Even at the start of the book Boaz goes above and beyond the law, allowing Ruth to glean much more than the law demanded....and Christ went so far above as to be impossible to ever know.
Boaz helping the 'helpless' (by law and by love) points to the greatest example of Christ
fulfilling the law
( of sin having to be paid for by eternity in Hell....
or by a perfect substitute....Jesus)
and thus,
Jesus help sinners who were helpless to save themselves from Hell,
because they could not pay the price ( not being 'perfect').
Boaz acted as the kinsman-redeemer (following the law), points to our greatest kinsman-redeemer Jesus
Also, the mercy was extended to those outside of just the Jews ( by Boaz to Ruth the Moabite, and Jesus who will accept all who trust in Him...Gentiles.)
Compare Boaz’s obedience to the law in order to redeem Ruth to Christ’s obedience to the Law in order to redeem sinners.
Answer:
I kind of thought that was more or less answered above?
Oh well...LOL
Boaz's obedience to the law, as the kinsman-redeemer came with a price ( allbeit small) but Jesus obedience to the law in order to redeem us, came with an unimaginable price!!
The redeemer had to be by law, a close family member which Boaz was,
and Jesus became our 'brother', when as 100% God .....He became 100% man.
Both Boaz and Lord Jesus, not only followed the law but did it promptly:
"the man (Boaz) will not be in rest, until he have finished the thing this day” (Ruth 3:18)
and Jesus, in 6 hours cried: It is finished!!
Boaz redeemed Ruth...and Naomi, by following the law to the letter
but Christ redeemed millions maybe billions of people, by also following every jot and title of the law.
Boaz followed the law in the public arena of the day, at the gate,
and Jesus, the spiritual law of paying for sins, atonement,
on the Cross.
About the other buyer, yes he also obeyed the law, at least the letter of the law. He stated he didn't want to jeopardize his own inheritance buy redeeming Ruth and the land. He already had a family and children and wanted them to have his land, so didn't want to deal with the problem of adding Ruth and the possibility of another child. I love what this commentary has to say about it: It’s worth noting that the nearer kinsman tried to protect his name and inheritance; but we don’t even know what his name was or what happened to his family! Boaz took the risk of love and obedience, and his name is written down in Scripture and held in honor. “He who does the will of God abides forever” (1 John 2:17). This also explains why Orpah’s name is missing in Ruth 4:9–10. Be Committed.
You did excellent in telling about Boaz being a type of Christ, as one thing that we often overlook is that the kinsman redeemer had to be related to the person who's land was being redeemed, or to the person themselves. Jesus had to become a man so He would be related to us! That is just so cool to me!
I like how you pointed out that they both did it promptly too. It reminds me of how the gospels say that Jesus resolutely or steadfastly set out for Jerusalem.
The gate was where court was held in those days, so Boaz basically went to court to take care of the legal matter, and Jesus also went to court, (because no one could have forced Him to go, regardless of what the chief priests at the time thought). Both legal matters were therefore settled according to the law of that time.
Why do you think Boaz first proffered the sale of the property to the other redeemer rather than mentioning Ruth first? (3-5)
Answer:
I think it was to perhaps get a true understanding of the others real intentions and character of the other redeemer.
Perhaps the fact, the other redeemer did not ask any other questions, showed to Boaz,
that the other guy was just interested in gaining more land for himself, and did not really care, about who the poor person was,
or
the guy figured, Naomi was so old she would not have any more children,
so he would be able to keep the land forever (greed).
Boaz, as a result of the hasty yes given,
with no other questions asked,
probably could pretty much discern that the other man,
would not want to also perform his levirate marriage duty
( and thus the land would go to any son Ruth might have with him).
Plus, the other man learned she was a Moabitess,
which again his hasty ( greed?) willingness to accept a huge unexpected "gift", no questions asked....
might point, to the possibility, that he did not have the character,
and/or integrity,
to deal with that either.
Question 3
Compare the other redeemer’s unwillingness to bear the cost of redeeming Ruth (6) with Boaz’s willingness to endure great cost to himself to redeem Ruth (9-10).
Answer:
The other redeemer was only willing ( it seemed to me) to add material wealth ( in this case more land), which could have been a greedy attitude, because when it became clear that it also meant the cost of redeeming Ruth ( and the land would one day go to her son), he no longer was interested.
To be fair to him, I don't know if he already had a wife and children, but on the other hand I don't think it clearly says he does. However, I also wonder if the fact Ruth was a Moabite also had something to do with it....if so, that would have been a lack of compassion, not only for Ruth, but Naomi ( a close relative).
His focus seemed to be on the material benefit to himself, not on the people or any spiritual duty or resulting joy of obeying the Lord.
On the other hand, Boaz was not only willing to buy the land, but redeem Ruth ( and thus Naomi also).
Boaz showed great care, compassion and love to these two helpless woman.
It doesnot say exactly how much the land was selling for, but there were other cost, a wedding, providing for a wife, child, and mother-in-law ( sort of), etc.
Also Boaz seemed to be, perhaps, quite a bit older than Ruth,
and maybe had never been married...
in any case, he was going to have to go from being a bachelor to a man with many more people living with him ( a big adjustment).
How does this point us to Christ’s willingness to empty Himself of the riches of Heaven to redeem sinner
Answer:
Jesus being God, owned everything ( he created this universe, and will someday create another universe...nothing was/ is/ or will be impossible with or for Him.
In Heaven, He was adored by all the remaining 2/3 of the angels
and there was no limit to anything He might want ( He could create it in a moment even).
But in order to redeem us, He left Heaven, limited His power and abilities as God. and all the honor, praise, worship, a complete loving relationship with God the Father and Holy Spirit, glory, etc.
Instead He became ( tho still 100 percent God),
100 % poor ( materially) man,
with limited capabilities,
in the form of a servant,
humble,
obedient to an incredibly cruel death ( for us),
taking on the full wrath of God the Father, etc.
Let me share from some commentaries about the other potential redeemer to answer if he already had a family:
“At this, the kinsman-redeemer said, “Then I cannot redeem it because I might endanger my own estate. You redeem it yourself. I cannot do it.”” (Ruth 4:6) Yes, he had a family already.
This consequence would follow, either, first, from his having a son by Ruth, who, though heir to the property, would not bear his name; his name would be extinguished in that of her former husband; or, secondly, from its having to be subdivided among his other children, which he had probably by a previous marriage. This right, therefore, was renounced and assigned in favor of Boaz, in the way of whose marriage with Ruth the only existing obstacle was now removed. Commentary Critical and Explanatory
Redeeming the land by itself would have been a good investment because the land would be inherited by the redeemer’s own children. But redeeming Ruth with the land would result in its being left to Ruth’s offspring (for the line of Elimelech). Any resources spent on redeeming the land and raising the offspring would damage his own children’s inheritance since it would benefit the line of Elimelech. Faithlife Study Bible
Boaz proceeded to remind him that in the day that he bought the field of Naomi, he would also have to buy it of Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead. By the nature of the transaction the kinsman would never actually own the land itself, but would actually hold it in trust for the son of Ruth in order to raise up the name of the dead. By cleverly presenting the matter the way that he did, Boaz confronted the other kinsman with a dual responsibility involving a great expenditure which he was not willing to make. He must have reasoned in order to buy Naomi’s land he would have to invest a part of the value of his own estate, or inheritance.… He seemed willing to redeem Naomi’s property if it should not hurt him personally, or if he might possibly gain from it, but he could not accept the responsibility if it should eventuate in a diminution of his own resources and a consequent injustice of his own heir. KJV Bible Commentary.
Question 4.
Examine verses 9-10. Would you characterize this business transaction more as an investment for financial gain or the purchase of a debt
Answer:
A purchase of a debt
Who stood to gain materially from this transaction, Ruth or Boaz? How?
Answer:
I would think both really...by buying the land, Boaz gain materially, but marring Boaz, Ruth also gained what Boaz had materially.
When Christ redeemed us by purchasing us with His blood, who stood to gain from that transaction, Him or us?
Answer:
Both
but we desperately needed Him ( we gained salvation), and tho He gained a people for Himself, it was not that He needed us.
Read these passages, and examine Christ’s purchase of our sin debt and the benefit we receive at salvation by His righteousness being imputed to us.
Answer:
Our sins have to be paid for, or there would be no justice. The cost of our sins is to be separated from God eternally. Sin always grows.
But for those who trust In Jesus,
He not only paid the price of our sin debt,
and we gained salvation,
we were also born again, made new,
and we received His righteousness imputed to us.
I think I messed up when copying the lesson for you. That last one is supposed to say:
Read these passages, 2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Peter 3:18, Isaiah 53:5, Isaiah 53:11, and examine Christ’s purchase of our sin debt and the benefit we receive at salvation by His righteousness being imputed to us.
If it's ok, I'd like to take a shot of answering this one:
About who stood to gain materially from this transaction, Ruth or Boaz? That's a tough one for me... because Boaz had to pay for the land, and give a bride price for Ruth (which was kept by her family - in this case Naomi - in case she became divorced or widowed) so he was out of a lot of money at that point. As far as the land goes, we don't know how worthwhile the land was. Also, normally, women never owned anything in those days. Land and material possessions were always owned by the Father and then later the husband. (a widow was normally sent back to her Father's house and was again under him. so only when there was no father or husband left would a woman own anything, although she of course could use what they owned to a certain degree.) We assume that Ruth and Boaz loved each other and lived happily ever after, but we're really not told anything. Ruth got a husband to look after her and Naomi, for the husband at that time is committed to take care of the extended family, as they all lived together in the same house. So they were now secure, with a roof over their heads, food to eat, clothes to wear, etc, as Boaz had to provide for them. Boaz took on a huge financial commitment when he redeemed the land and Ruth. Hopefully he got a wife that loved him and would care for him out of it - which I believe he did. Having said all that, now that I look at it, it does look like what Jesus did for us. He paid a huge price for us, promising to care for us and provide for us, hoping He'd get some who would love Him out of it, and He did.
Question 5.
Notice the impact Ruth and Naomi’s story had on the women of the town who had been watching these events transpire. (13-17) How were Ruth’s, Naomi’s, and Boaz’s godly behavior a witness to these women of God’s goodness and faithfulness?
Answer:
First they give God the credit for Naomi to have a son/grandson, which without God's intervention would not have happened.
However, even tho Naomi was extremely depressed, and might have felt like blaming her husband for his bad choice of moving to Moab, and blaming God because she lost her husband and 2 sons to death, she nevertheless, allow Ruth to come with her back to Israel.
I could imagine some might have absolutely insisted Ruth NOT go with them back to Israel, figuring they had suffered enough, and to bring a Moabite back might only cause them more trouble, because the Israelites might be upset.
However, the people saw how much Ruth loved and cared for Naomi, how faithful she was, what a hard
worker she was, and how Godly her behavior was at all times, their attitude changed to praising God.
Boaz also showed loving, caring, honest, Godly behavior and the town people saw that God choose to reward all 3.
Consider your own life. How could your godly words and actions point watching women to Christ and open a door for you to share the gospel with them?
Answer:
I am thinking that kindness can often work wonders.
And in today's age, of me, me , me first etc.
For me or any Christian to sacrifice for someone, would be a potential way to point people to Jesus.
Along the same lines, people today are being taught to be proud of themselves and toot their own horn, so by being humble ( building others up honestly) is another way that points to the Lord.
These are all things I could, should and need to do.
Sometimes I could offer to pray with or for them, or let them know, I will be praying for them.
I can tell them what they mean to me.
I can give what I can to help those in need ( which points to God's provision)
Offer to help clean, cook, babysit, garden etc. (whatever I am capable of doing) especially if someone is sick,
overwhelmed etc.
Even seemingly small things like a smile, or a hug can point to Jesus....I can do that and it points to His love.
I messed up on the last question too, so I'll post them here for you:
6. Why did the women say, “A son has been born to Naomi,” (Ruth 4:17) when Obed was Ruth’s baby? (10)
7. Compare verses 18-21 with these passages. How do the people mentioned in verses 18-21 fit into the family line of Christ? How does the story of Ruth and her family line showcase God’s sovereignty and the way – centuries in advance – He was setting events in motion and working out His plan for the coming of Christ?
Sorry about that! She still doesn't have the next one posted so maybe tomorrow she will.....
Question 6.
Why did the women say, “A son has been born to Naomi,” (Ruth 4:17) when Obed was Ruth’s baby? (10)
Answer:
I am thinking in part it has to do with this child carrying on the name of Naomi's family, and even more importantly, and he was in the line of Jesus.
Also, she may have been very involved in raising him.
Just my own silly thought.....
in the word grandmother.....
is the word...mother....only.... grand LOL
I also think maybe the woman said that, because, when Naomi first came back, it looked very bleak for her, but God was able to turn it around to joy...
and tho she lost her 2 sons, in a sense, she had gained another one.
This is kind of a difficult question, so I am looking forward to your answer!!!! :-)
Also I love knowing who Boaz's mother was. You can read about her in Joshua 2:1–21 and Joshua 6:1–27. That fits in with question 7 too!
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Post by Cindy on Jan 3, 2019 10:53:34 GMT -5
Well, still no lesson is posted from Michelle yet....so, since you said you were going to read Esther too, I've copied some of MacArthur's questions about that book for you:
“True holiness and virtue command permanent respect and affection, far more than charm and beauty of face and form.” —John MacArthur
“When the things of this world are idolized, as they frequently are even by believers, it is impossible not to be drawn into the moral and spiritual compromises that such idolatry demands. When a person longs to be like the world … he soon will be thinking and acting like it.” —John MacArthur
Esther 1:1—2:21
Think back over your life and list two or three of the most memorable examples of loyalty or commitment you’ve ever seen.
What is your opinion of beauty contests? Of those who participate in them? Why?
How would you describe the feast given by Ahasuerus? What does this extravagant affair say about him—his character, his rule, his values?
Why did Vashti refuse to comply with the king’s wishes? Who was right? Why?
What was the king’s motive for deposing Vashti?
What’s more valuable and why—wisdom (like Mordecai had) or beauty and influence (like Esther had)? When have you been jealous of another person’s position, personality, or character qualities? How can you learn to be grateful for how God has made you and the ways He is using you for His glory—just the way you are?
Esther 2:21—3:15
A growing number of people (including many believers in Christ) are convinced of the truthfulness of all sorts of conspiracy theories involving the government, the military complex, the press, Hollywood, big banking, and even organized religion. Why do you think such theories are increasingly popular?
What were the details of the plot to assassinate King Ahasuerus? How did Mordecai thwart this plot?
Why did Haman become furious with Mordecai? Why do you think Mordecai refused to pay homage to Haman?
(verses to consider: Exodus 20:3–6; Deuteronomy 25:17–19; 1 Samuel 15:32–33; Matthew 4:10)
How did Haman try to determine a date on which to carry out his murderous plot?
How do you see God’s sovereign hand at work through this process?
Why don’t we use this method for making decisions today?
What resources has God given us to help us make decisions?
(verses to consider: Nehemiah 10:34; Proverbs 16:33; Acts 1:26)
In what specific ways have you been pressured to compromise your faith?
Esther 4:1–17
In a crisis situation, how do you typically respond? Do you (a) become hysterical; (b) become immobilized by fear; (c) pray; (d) swing into action; (e) try to escape; (f) react in some other way? Why do you think you respond this way?
What are some of the most courageous decisions you witnessed in the last year? What tough, but right, choices have you made yourself? What happened?
How did Mordecai respond when he learned that Haman’s genocidal decree had been approved by the king? What is the significance of sackcloth and ashes? Can you think of any modern-day equivalents for believers in the West?
(verses to consider: Genesis 37:34; 2 Kings 19:1; Jeremiah 6:26; Daniel 9:3)
The chapter makes a couple of references to fasting (verses 3, 16). What is the purpose of fasting? What does it indicate? (verses to consider: Ezra 8:21; 9:5; Nehemiah 1:4; Psalm 35:13)
What did Mordecai want Esther to do? Why was she fearful of his request? What finally convinced her to approach the king?
What is significant about Mordecai’s claim that if you remain completely silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place (verse 14)? (verses to consider: Genesis 17:1–8)
Read Philippians 2:3–4. In what ways did Esther “live out” the truth of this New Testament passage? How might her privileged life in the luxury of the Persian royal palace have altered her values and affected her actions?
Mordecai essentially reasoned with Esther this way: “Do you think your becoming queen of Persia was a mere fluke? Do you think you can now ignore your heritage and opt only to live a comfortable life? No, there’s a reason you’ve been placed in such an influential position! You need to take careful stock of this situation and use it to the glory of God.”
If you had a wise old “Cousin Mordecai,” what counsel might he give you today as you face your unique life situation?
MacArthur, J. (2000). Ruth & Esther: Women of Faith, Bravery, and Hope.
1. What insights about the evil of racism can you identify in Esther?
2. Although God is not specifically mentioned in Esther, how do you see Him working?
3. What kind of a person was Esther? How do you know?
4. In what different ways did God arrange for the deliverance and safety of His people?
5. In what ways would you say you are actively involved to make a difference in your own time of history?
The MacArthur Bible handbook
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Post by fearnot on Jan 3, 2019 12:45:11 GMT -5
Question 7. Compare verses 18-21 with these passages. How do the people mentioned in verses 18-21 fit into the family line of Christ?
Answer:I read one commentary which said this list spans about 850 years. The 1st 5 names were from the entry into Egypt unto Moses.
How does the story of Ruth and her family line showcase God’s sovereignty and the way – centuries in advance – He was setting events in motion and working out His plan for the coming of Christ?
Answer:The list shows that God's plan for the Messiah was preserved all this time ( and longer).
Many of these people in this list went thru some dark, hard and even seemingly hopeless times, but God preserved them and thus the line that Jesus would come thru ( from being in Egyp tto Ruth and Naomi not sure they would have even food to eat.
Not only did some have hard times without hope ( from a human perspective...but not for God)
some were disobedient and rebellious sinners.
Also they were to be a light to the Gentiles, but instead, ( when they were not off worshiping idols), they keep the blessing to themselves, and were NOT a light to the Gentiles....
however, there were those that brought some Gentiles in ( Ruth being one).
So God's plan for Israel to be a light to the Gentiles, and to preserve the line for the Messiah, was not thwarted.
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Post by fearnot on Jan 3, 2019 13:30:53 GMT -5
Thinking about how the Jews were to be a light to the Gentiles but instead for a large part, stayed 'insular', reminded me of a 2 week marriage I had at age 19 or 20 ( I can't remember exact dates and things as I was in the midst of my 'hippie days, and the drugs did a number on my memory then).
Simon's parents were orthodox Jews and his uncle and orthodox rabbi. Further, his parents were extremely extremely wealthy!!!
Sooooo The deal was, I was supposed to convert to orthodox Judaism BEFORE we got married.
However, I was carrying a full load at my college ( and doing a ton of drugs)
but the only orthodox rabbi to teach me, and determine when I would be qualified to convert was at Yale Univ.
He would load me up with about 10-20 books a week.
Then one week, when Simon was there also, he said to me,
that even the genius level PHD's Yale men, took a minimum of 10 years to be considered.....
The implication was, that I was looking at 20-30 years....so Simon and I could marry...oh, about, when I was 50 plus LOL
Well, Simon decided we would get married ( at the court) because surely, his parents could see how I was making a great effort and would that I continue to study and they would understand and be fine with that....
NOT!!! ha ha
After a week of being married, he finally told his parents we were married, and then,
they had him come home for a 'chat'.
He came back with legal annulment papers.
They had told him, if he did not do so, they would considered him dead,
and of course,
all the tons of money they gave him them tons each month,
and in the future would forever stop.
He was in tears, he said he could not live without tons of money, he never knew anything else!!!
But... I didn't HAVE to accept the papers ( or so he believed)
He was convinced we could stay married, because the only requirement was for him to bring the papers to me...if I refused....we could just go on.
But at the time, I felt that was all wrong ( I still do actually).
I was hurt because it seemed he choose his parents and money over me ( you can imagine, how self-centered I was).
So I took the papers.
The weird thing was, my housemother ( her husband had been the head of the engineering dept at Yale)
brought me to a top notch Yale lawyer,
who said, that there was not a doubt in his mind, that he could absolutely win me millions and millions of dollars by suing Simon's parents....but again, I refused
I didn't want their money, I wanted their love, but they could not deal with a gentile.
Oh and once near the beginning of our short relationship.....when we were at his parents home
( before my Yale studies....
the only thing at that time....
after this incident that I will relate
that I really got into was... the dietary laws and Kosher practices even at that time)
Anyway, at dinner ( with lamb) they asked if I would like some tea...and I said yes thank you...
and
could I have it with milk and sugar......
Well thanks Simon!
He could have forewarned me arrggghhhh
I sort of knew right then, I was NOT accepted.....
the horror of my terrible mistake was overwhelming. It was like someone had just dropped dead!!!
But I did not hate them, I was hurt and sad....
but I was also a mess....
and really,
I thank God now
Because,
I would not be saved most likely...if we had stayed married
So while God saved me at least 20 plus times from life threatening stupidity on my part back then ( drugs do not help one make good choices duh! LOL)
In a way,
maybe even more so,
He saved me from an eternal life threatening situation.
I do pray that somehow maybe they were saved.
But I never saw Simon but once more after he gave me the annulment papers and then never again.
I haven't thought about that in a long long time.....but somehow, these particular questions reminded me.
In fact, I continue to have a special part of my heart, that loves the Jewish people....they are still God's people.
I know all people have brilliant men and woman, but I think I read that Jews in Israel, have won more Nobel Peace prizes than any other country and so on.
I read about them in Scripture every day :-)
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Post by Cindy on Jan 4, 2019 11:08:03 GMT -5
Question 7. Compare verses 18-21 with these passages. How do the people mentioned in verses 18-21 fit into the family line of Christ?
Answer:I read one commentary which said this list spans about 850 years. The 1st 5 names were from the entry into Egypt unto Moses.
How does the story of Ruth and her family line showcase God’s sovereignty and the way – centuries in advance – He was setting events in motion and working out His plan for the coming of Christ?
Answer:The list shows that God's plan for the Messiah was preserved all this time ( and longer).
Many of these people in this list went thru some dark, hard and even seemingly hopeless times, but God preserved them and thus the line that Jesus would come thru ( from being in Egyp tto Ruth and Naomi not sure they would have even food to eat.
Not only did some have hard times without hope ( from a human perspective...but not for God)
some were disobedient and rebellious sinners.
Also they were to be a light to the Gentiles, but instead, ( when they were not off worshiping idols), they keep the blessing to themselves, and were NOT a light to the Gentiles....
however, there were those that brought some Gentiles in ( Ruth being one).
So God's plan for Israel to be a light to the Gentiles, and to preserve the line for the Messiah, was not thwarted.
How do the people mentioned in verses 18-21 fit into the family line of Christ? The people mentioned in Ruth and again in the gospel passages are really amazing, as is how God worked everything out according to the law, even though it hadn't yet been given, showing mercy and grace to many.
Ruth 4:18, Matthew 1:3. Luke 3:33: Pharez. Since he was the illegitimate son of Judah and Tamar (cf. Gen 38), the Law required that ten generations passed before one of his descendants could serve in the leadership of the congregation of Israel (cf. Deut 23:2). It is obvious that this genealogical listing is intended to confirm that at least that many generations had passed by the time of David. KJV Bible Commentary
Perez—the child of incest; the kind of baby who should never have been born—was an ancestor of Jesus, the Messiah! Genesis 38:1–30 Opening up Genesis.
Although this genealogy only goes back to Perez, it conclusively establishes that David’s lineage extends further back through Judah (Ge 49:8–12), Jacob (Ge 28:10–17), and Isaac (Ge 26:24) to Abraham (Ge 12:1–3). The MacArthur study Bible
Ruth 4:20–21. Mt 1:5 lists Rahab as Salmon’s wife, and As a Moabite, Ruth was a product of an incestuous relationship between Lot’s daughter and her father. MacArthur says, each of these women is an object lesson about the workings of divine grace.
Boaz’s mother was Rahab, the prostitute who hid Israelite spies (Josh 2:1–21) and was delivered when Jericho was destroyed (Josh 6:1–27). See Matt 1:5. Faithlife Study Bible
Rahab’s faith wasn’t perfect, nor was her knowledge of God’s moral law. But because she trusted God, she was spared during Jericho’s conquest, and then was given an even greater honor. She became the mother of Boaz, who married Ruth, the great-great-grandmother of David, thereby becoming an ancestor of the Lord Jesus Christ (Matt. 1:5). Drawing Near—
Ruth 4:22 David. Looking back at Ruth from a NT perspective, latent messianic implications become more apparent (cf. Mt 1:1). The fruit which is promised later on in the Davidic Covenant (2Sa 7:1–17) finds its seedbed here. The hope of a messianic king and kingdom (2Sa 7:12–14) will be fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ (Rev 19, 20) through the lineage of David’s grandfather Obed, who was born to Boaz and Ruth the Moabitess. The MacArthur study Bible
The Moabites were not to enter the congregation of the Lord “even to the tenth generation” (Deut. 23:3). But the little Book of Ruth closes with a ten-generation genealogy that climaxes with the name of David! Never underestimate the power of the grace of God. Be Committed.
Thinking about how the Jews were to be a light to the Gentiles but instead for a large part, stayed 'insular', reminded me of a 2 week marriage I had at age 19 or 20 ( I can't remember exact dates and things as I was in the midst of my 'hippie days, and the drugs did a number on my memory then).
Simon's parents were orthodox Jews and his uncle and orthodox rabbi. Further, his parents were extremely extremely wealthy!!!
Sooooo The deal was, I was supposed to convert to orthodox Judaism BEFORE we got married.
However, I was carrying a full load at my college ( and doing a ton of drugs)
but the only orthodox rabbi to teach me, and determine when I would be qualified to convert was at Yale Univ.
He would load me up with about 10-20 books a week.
Then one week, when Simon was there also, he said to me,
that even the genius level PHD's Yale men, took a minimum of 10 years to be considered.....
The implication was, that I was looking at 20-30 years....so Simon and I could marry...oh, about, when I was 50 plus LOL
Well, Simon decided we would get married ( at the court) because surely, his parents could see how I was making a great effort and would that I continue to study and they would understand and be fine with that....
NOT!!! ha ha
After a week of being married, he finally told his parents we were married, and then,
they had him come home for a 'chat'.
He came back with legal annulment papers.
They had told him, if he did not do so, they would considered him dead,
and of course,
all the tons of money they gave him them tons each month,
and in the future would forever stop.
He was in tears, he said he could not live without tons of money, he never knew anything else!!!
But... I didn't HAVE to accept the papers ( or so he believed)
He was convinced we could stay married, because the only requirement was for him to bring the papers to me...if I refused....we could just go on.
But at the time, I felt that was all wrong ( I still do actually).
I was hurt because it seemed he choose his parents and money over me ( you can imagine, how self-centered I was).
So I took the papers.
The weird thing was, my housemother ( her husband had been the head of the engineering dept at Yale)
brought me to a top notch Yale lawyer,
who said, that there was not a doubt in his mind, that he could absolutely win me millions and millions of dollars by suing Simon's parents....but again, I refused
I didn't want their money, I wanted their love, but they could not deal with a gentile.
Oh and once near the beginning of our short relationship.....when we were at his parents home
( before my Yale studies....
the only thing at that time....
after this incident that I will relate
that I really got into was... the dietary laws and Kosher practices even at that time)
Anyway, at dinner ( with lamb) they asked if I would like some tea...and I said yes thank you...
and
could I have it with milk and sugar......
Well thanks Simon!
He could have forewarned me arrggghhhh
I sort of knew right then, I was NOT accepted.....
the horror of my terrible mistake was overwhelming. It was like someone had just dropped dead!!!
But I did not hate them, I was hurt and sad....
but I was also a mess....
and really,
I thank God now
Because,
I would not be saved most likely...if we had stayed married
So while God saved me at least 20 plus times from life threatening stupidity on my part back then ( drugs do not help one make good choices duh! LOL)
In a way,
maybe even more so,
He saved me from an eternal life threatening situation.
I do pray that somehow maybe they were saved.
But I never saw Simon but once more after he gave me the annulment papers and then never again.
I haven't thought about that in a long long time.....but somehow, these particular questions reminded me.
In fact, I continue to have a special part of my heart, that loves the Jewish people....they are still God's people.
I know all people have brilliant men and woman, but I think I read that Jews in Israel, have won more Nobel Peace prizes than any other country and so on.
I read about them in Scripture every day :-)
Just checked again and still no new study. If you don't want to do Esther, that's fine. You can do whatever you think is best....
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Post by fearnot on Jan 4, 2019 14:32:03 GMT -5
Think back over your life and list two or three of the most memorable examples of loyalty or commitment you’ve ever seen.
Answer:
Of course, the absolute most is my Lord and Savior Jesus! He stayed committed to me, when I had wandered so far into darkness and danger ( eternal danger especially).
My parents, were another example, they took in a child (me) that was no relation to them, and loved me thru all sorts of sorrows I caused them.
Leonard ( my husband) of 46 going on 47 years...he has stayed committed and loyal all these years.
What is your opinion of beauty contests? Of those who participate in them? Why?
Answer:
I don't think a beauty contest is necessarily evil, but basically, I don't really think they are a good thing.
The reason being is, beauty contests, tend to put the most emphasis on the physical beauty of women.
Yes, they also, try to touch on the woman's intelligence, social works of compassion and talents ( like music, dance, singing etc.)
But truthfully, the main interest is how they' look'....and that is the problem.
And it often greatly affects other woman, who are not so physically beautiful, to the point, other woman may spend a lot of money trying to reach the same standard of outward beauty.
They buy billions of dollars worth of cosmetics, creams, hair dyes and products, diets to lose weight, and often all manner of surgery to fix 'errors', which also runs into billions of dollars.
But, in general, not even a 10th is spent ( not money or time) on the character of woman.
Many woman know from studying endless hours, all about different cosmetics, hair products, clothing and their favorite movie star, model, singer, actresses, beauty idols etc.
Beauty contests can often be very self-centered, and competitive...tho, I do think there is at least an outward attempt at 'sisterhood' and being a good sport when you lose, and embracing the winner.
Tho I am pretty sure there is also disappointment, hurts, sadness, etc. by those who lost.
I think some of the woman are very self-centered, others may be pushed in such contests by parents, some may be hoping to win money for college, get noticed and get a well paying job, or find a wealthy husband etc. Basically many beauty contestants do not have a real true biblical sense of woman's beauty.
But don't you know, this may soon all be moot anyway, as the most recent Miss Universe woman's beauty contest had its first 'trans' from Spain I think. I am not sure if that means Spain does not have any DNA biological physical beauty woman there or what? Because they clearly decided this biological male beat out all the other Spainish woman...
well, maybe that could be a good thing is a strange way....if woman can no longer win, maybe they eill turn to true inner beauty....one can pray.
How would you describe the feast given by Ahasuerus? What does this extravagant affair say about him—his character, his rule, his values?
Answer:
The feast was about as 'surface only', as beauty contests.
Physical 'things' to impress, ostentatious, flaunting wealth, putting on airs....perhaps to cover up the self-centered, self-indulgent, vainglorious king.
It suggests his rule was not wise...and his values were lacking (perhaps as much as he tried to show off materially).
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Why did Vashti refuse to comply with the king’s wishes? Who was right? Why?
Answer:
I am not sure we have enough actual knowledge to be completely sure, so in essence, I am only giving a speculation of what I think might have happened and why she did what she did.
She was asked to come before a bunch of drunk men. I would think that would be degrading for any woman, but perhaps even more so for a queen. I don't think the king should have even asked such a thing of her, it seems like he was treating her like a 'thing'...showing off again.
I don't 'think' he was asking her to strip or anything completely immoral...
so I am not sure if it was her pride that was ruling her decisionto disobey, or something else.
I do tend to lean more toward Vashti tho. I am sure she was hurt at the very least, perhaps even scared to be paraded among a bunch of drunk lascivious lewd men who perhaps or would most likely, be saying rude things or worse.
I know wives are to submit to one's husband, but this 'seemed' to maybe, almost border on doing something against God's laws, standards etc.
These drunk me most likely wanted to gawk at her, and thus, this did not strike me as the act of a loving husband.
In fact, he might have been heartened by her modesty, on second thought , but instead he became angry and incensed.
I can see how humiliated he might have felt (after trying for 6 mts to gain allies for war) when he could not even control his own wife!
so, on the other hand,
he WAS the king,
and unless he asked her to do something that was against God,
we ( and she) have to obey our authority, even if, WE 'feel' humiliated.
Soooo I will eagerly await to read, what you have to say :-)
What was the king’s motive for deposing Vashti?
Answer:
Well clearly he felt supremely humiliated and was thus filled with anger and rage.
but his counselors, point out the danger of this starting a major 'woman' liberation movement!!
so he went with that as his motive ( along with rage, maybe even fear, and being humbled in front of men).
What’s more valuable and why—wisdom (like Mordecai had) or beauty and influence (like Esther had)?
Answer:
In the end, wisdom....because beauty fads, and influence is fickle, but to have the Lord's wisdom will endure throughout!
When have you been jealous of another person’s position, personality, or character qualities?
Answer
Yes
How can you learn to be grateful for how God has made you and the ways He is using you for His glory—just the way you are?
Answer:
First of all being ungrateful can lead one down a slippery slope of anger at God and walking away from God.
But
Knowing He loves me, and made me the exact way He wanted.
Even if God had made a person extremely beautiful the beauty will fade, it could stand in the way of helping lead people to Jesus.
I have to have trust that He made me just the way I should be for His glory.
I am struggling to answer this one, I am also looking forward to your helpful ideas...
maybe I am just getting tired ( I did fall asleep and came back to it, but am still floundering. sniff
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Post by fearnot on Jan 5, 2019 14:15:50 GMT -5
Esther 2:21—3:15
A growing number of people (including many believers in Christ) are convinced of the truthfulness of all sorts of conspiracy theories involving the government, the military complex, the press, Hollywood, big banking, and even organized religion. Why do you think such theories are increasingly popular?
Answer:
I think there are many reasons.
Some may be just gossip and wanting to be a know-it-all.
Some may be looking for answers and get caught by someone's conspiracy.
Also, I think it is sometimes satan's trap, to keep even believer's in the 'world' and not focused on the Lord, and being obedient, loving etc.
However, I am not convinced that all 'conspiracy theories are always false.
I do believe, many are, some may have 1/2 truths, and others are in fact true.
The issue is I think, is it just gossip
or
does it actually affect my family and friends in a significant way, that I have a need to know to somehow protect them as best I can.
For example, Jay Sekulow ( a Jew by birth but a born again Christian lawyer, who fights endlessly for Christians about to be killed in foreign countries, fights legal battles against abortion ( is going to be taking it to the Supreme Court soon), schools discriminating against Christians , etc.
He is now one of President Trump's lawyers as well. He has talked a lot about the 'deep state'....once a conspiracy.
Another reason I mention Jay Sekulow, is because the 'deep state' sort of reminds me of the conspiracy against the king Ahasuerus.
But for example, for years, I heard of a 'conspiracy, that the LBGQ...( the letters keep increasing to the point I can't even keep up) ....
goal was to convert as many children as possible to that lifestyle......
only,
I am watching it come true day by day ( Sodom and Gomorrah)......although always with us, had gone mostly underground for decades, but is now worse than ever.
And that effects close to home, and knowing how its being done helps to fight it with grandchildren.
So tho most or many are busy body, gossipy ( even if true...like concerning a movie star etc.) and takes our eyes off of Jesus,
still, sometimes, they are not only true,
but it helps to be aware, and we are able to pray having a better idea of what we need to pray about....not that God is not fully aware, and He is still on His throne, but He allows us to pray and join Him.
In fact, any conspiracies I hear of need prayer....because, if totally false of half true, they may have caught some family member or friends.
Esther 2:21—3:15
What were the details of the plot to assassinate King Ahasuerus? How did Mordecai thwart this plot?
Answer:
Bigthan and Teresh, two of the king's eunuchs, were angry at the king ( maybe because of Vashti banishment?) Mordecai brought this information to Queen Esther, and Esther told the king in the name of Mordecai.
Esther 2:21—3:15
Why did Haman become furious with Mordecai? Why do you think Mordecai refused to pay homage to Haman?
(verses to consider: Exodus 20:3–6; Deuteronomy 25:17–19; 1 Samuel 15:32–33; Matthew 4:10)
Answer:
"all the king's servants who were at the king's gate bowed down and paid homage to Haman, for the king had so commanded concerning him. But Mordecai did not bow down or pay homage..."
Mordecai would not bow to Haman because Mordecai would only worship the one true God.
Also he "Remember what the Amalekites did..." as God had said.
It also seemed that Mordecai knew that Hamman was a descendant of Agag the king who had killed many Jews ( and Samuel then killed Agag).
Esther 2:21—3:15
How did Haman try to determine a date on which to carry out his murderous plot?
Answer:
They cast Pur ( cast lots)
How do you see God’s sovereign hand at work through this process?
Answer:
I am thinking she means j( for now) just about the casting of lots?
If so, it worked on ( by God's sovereign hand) to a longer time, so that they Jews were able to prepare to defend themselves.
Why don’t we use this method for making decisions today?
Answer:
For one thing we have the full council of God, the Bible.
Plus, we can pray, and God's spirit lives within us.
What resources has God given us to help us make decisions?
(verses to consider: Nehemiah 10:34; Proverbs 16:33; Acts 1:26)
Answer:
Prayer, Scripture, other born again believers advise
Esther 2:21—3:15
In what specific ways have you been pressured to compromise your faith?
Answer:
Evolution, 'tolerance', sexual sins, don't judge, self centered, make friends with unbelievers, getting carried away with politics, health issues, have fun, lighten up, believe psychology, believe science, climate change, fear of being hated, blend in when with unbelievers, don't rock the boat, don't 'shove' any iota of your faith down someone's throat ( as IF I could), also videos, the news etc. ( you may be watching what you think it going to be straight forward and all of a sudden someone may start swearing, etc.)
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fearnot
Living With Pain
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Post by fearnot on Jan 6, 2019 13:20:17 GMT -5
In a crisis situation, how do you typically respond? Do you (a) become hysterical; (b) become immobilized by fear; (c) pray; (d) swing into action; (e) try to escape; (f) react in some other way? Why do you think you respond this way?
Answer:
It really depends on the Crisis
I seldom if ever have become hysterical, I have become immobilized with fear
at other time ( less often, but more as time goes by, I pray)
I was usually too afraid to attempt escape, but maybe in my mind, which is part of being immobilized, and yet a type of escape if only in my mind....but now tho at first, I might still do that, I do find my next thing is to pray.
What are some of the most courageous decisions you witnessed in the last year? What tough, but right, choices have you made yourself? What happened?
Answer:
Tho I know many people do not like President Trump....I still think he has done several courageous things like pull out of the climate Change agreement and move the US embassy in Israel....when both were not popular things to do.
Several Christian businesses refused to compromise their beliefs and lose their businesses, plus pay a great deal of money also....and they did it kindly.
There were several times when someone came into a place of business etc. shooting everyone they could, and some men courageously ran towards the gunman instead of away ( tho they los their lives, it saved many others)
Over 100 policemen died in 2018 in the line of duty.
I am not sure I made any tough choices. It was a little hard being baptized...I was thrilled to do, because of Jesus....but being in front of the whole congregation was a bit scary...but I am so glad I did it.
How did Mordecai respond when he learned that Haman’s genocidal decree had been approved by the king? What is the significance of sackcloth and ashes? Can you think of any modern-day equivalents for believers in the West?
(verses to consider: Genesis 37:34; 2 Kings 19:1; Jeremiah 6:26; Daniel 9:3)
Answer:
Some will have prayer vigils (and will sometimes fast also)
The chapter makes a couple of references to fasting (verses 3, 16). What is the purpose of fasting? What does it indicate? (verses to consider: Ezra 8:21; 9:5; Nehemiah 1:4; Psalm 35:13)
Answer:
I think its to be closer to God in prayer, without distractions, eating being one. Usually, it's in times of great danger and intense prayer doesn't even find time for eating, since one is so focused on praying.
What did Mordecai want Esther to do? Why was she fearful of his request? What finally convinced her to approach the king?
Answer:
Mordecai wanted Esther "to go to the king to beg his favor and plead with him on behalf of her people".
She was fearful because:
Esther 4:11
"....if any man or woman goes to the king inside the inner court without being called, there is but one law—to be put to death, except the one to whom the king holds out the golden scepter so that he may live. But as for me, I have not been called to come in to the king these thirty days.”
Mordecai said to her:
Esther 4:13, 14
“......Do not think to yourself that in the king's palace you will escape any more than all the other Jews. 14 For if you keep silent at this time, relief and deliverance will rise for the Jews from another place, but you and your father's house will perish. And who knows whether you have not come to the kingdom for such a time as this?”
What is significant about Mordecai’s claim that if you remain completely silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place (verse 14)? (verses to consider: Genesis 17:1–8)
Answer:
God had made a promise ( an everlasting covenant ) with Abraham that :
Genesis 17: 7,8
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you. 8 And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.”
So God's will be done and nothing can swath his will, if it was not done one way, it would be done another.
Read Philippians 2:3–4. In what ways did Esther “live out” the truth of this New Testament passage? How might her privileged life in the luxury of the Persian royal palace have altered her values and affected her actions?
Answer:
Philippians 2:3–4
"3 Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. 4 Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others".
She risked dying by going to see the king, uninvited, tho she knew she might die as a result, but she did it for all the other Jews who would surely die.
Clearly, a life of a queen, would have made it easy to just become self-centered and pampered, and think it was only about her, and the lower class of people beneath her...and thus not really care to risk her life for them.
Mordecai essentially reasoned with Esther this way: “Do you think your becoming queen of Persia was a mere fluke? Do you think you can now ignore your heritage and opt only to live a comfortable life? No, there’s a reason you’ve been placed in such an influential position! You need to take careful stock of this situation and use it to the glory of God.”
If you had a wise old “Cousin Mordecai,” what counsel might he give you today as you face your unique life situation?
Answer:
I am not really sure....there are soooo soooo soooo many fronts now where good is considered evil, and evil good. It's hard to know what battles to stand for and when and how, and with whom.
This is another one, I will eagerly await what you have to say.
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Post by Cindy on Jan 7, 2019 12:45:55 GMT -5
Think back over your life and list two or three of the most memorable examples of loyalty or commitment you’ve ever seen.
Answer:
Of course, the absolute most is my Lord and Savior Jesus! He stayed committed to me, when I had wandered so far into darkness and danger ( eternal danger especially).
My parents, were another example, they took in a child (me) that was no relation to them, and loved me thru all sorts of sorrows I caused them.
Leonard ( my husband) of 46 going on 47 years...he has stayed committed and loyal all these years.
What is your opinion of beauty contests? Of those who participate in them? Why?
Answer:
I don't think a beauty contest is necessarily evil, but basically, I don't really think they are a good thing.
The reason being is, beauty contests, tend to put the most emphasis on the physical beauty of women.
Yes, they also, try to touch on the woman's intelligence, social works of compassion and talents ( like music, dance, singing etc.)
But truthfully, the main interest is how they' look'....and that is the problem.
And it often greatly affects other woman, who are not so physically beautiful, to the point, other woman may spend a lot of money trying to reach the same standard of outward beauty.
They buy billions of dollars worth of cosmetics, creams, hair dyes and products, diets to lose weight, and often all manner of surgery to fix 'errors', which also runs into billions of dollars.
But, in general, not even a 10th is spent ( not money or time) on the character of woman.
Many woman know from studying endless hours, all about different cosmetics, hair products, clothing and their favorite movie star, model, singer, actresses, beauty idols etc.
Beauty contests can often be very self-centered, and competitive...tho, I do think there is at least an outward attempt at 'sisterhood' and being a good sport when you lose, and embracing the winner.
Tho I am pretty sure there is also disappointment, hurts, sadness, etc. by those who lost.
I think some of the woman are very self-centered, others may be pushed in such contests by parents, some may be hoping to win money for college, get noticed and get a well paying job, or find a wealthy husband etc. Basically many beauty contestants do not have a real true biblical sense of woman's beauty.
But don't you know, this may soon all be moot anyway, as the most recent Miss Universe woman's beauty contest had its first 'trans' from Spain I think. I am not sure if that means Spain does not have any DNA biological physical beauty woman there or what? Because they clearly decided this biological male beat out all the other Spainish woman...
well, maybe that could be a good thing is a strange way....if woman can no longer win, maybe they eill turn to true inner beauty....one can pray.
How would you describe the feast given by Ahasuerus? What does this extravagant affair say about him—his character, his rule, his values?
Answer:
The feast was about as 'surface only', as beauty contests.
Physical 'things' to impress, ostentatious, flaunting wealth, putting on airs....perhaps to cover up the self-centered, self-indulgent, vainglorious king.
It suggests his rule was not wise...and his values were lacking (perhaps as much as he tried to show off materially).
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Why did Vashti refuse to comply with the king’s wishes? Who was right? Why?
Answer:
I am not sure we have enough actual knowledge to be completely sure, so in essence, I am only giving a speculation of what I think might have happened and why she did what she did.
She was asked to come before a bunch of drunk men. I would think that would be degrading for any woman, but perhaps even more so for a queen. I don't think the king should have even asked such a thing of her, it seems like he was treating her like a 'thing'...showing off again.
I don't 'think' he was asking her to strip or anything completely immoral...
so I am not sure if it was her pride that was ruling her decisionto disobey, or something else.
I do tend to lean more toward Vashti tho. I am sure she was hurt at the very least, perhaps even scared to be paraded among a bunch of drunk lascivious lewd men who perhaps or would most likely, be saying rude things or worse.
I know wives are to submit to one's husband, but this 'seemed' to maybe, almost border on doing something against God's laws, standards etc.
These drunk me most likely wanted to gawk at her, and thus, this did not strike me as the act of a loving husband.
In fact, he might have been heartened by her modesty, on second thought , but instead he became angry and incensed.
I can see how humiliated he might have felt (after trying for 6 mts to gain allies for war) when he could not even control his own wife!
so, on the other hand,
he WAS the king,
and unless he asked her to do something that was against God,
we ( and she) have to obey our authority, even if, WE 'feel' humiliated.
Soooo I will eagerly await to read, what you have to say :-)
What was the king’s motive for deposing Vashti?
Answer:
Well clearly he felt supremely humiliated and was thus filled with anger and rage.
but his counselors, point out the danger of this starting a major 'woman' liberation movement!!
so he went with that as his motive ( along with rage, maybe even fear, and being humbled in front of men).
What’s more valuable and why—wisdom (like Mordecai had) or beauty and influence (like Esther had)?
Answer:
In the end, wisdom....because beauty fads, and influence is fickle, but to have the Lord's wisdom will endure throughout!
When have you been jealous of another person’s position, personality, or character qualities?
Answer
Yes
How can you learn to be grateful for how God has made you and the ways He is using you for His glory—just the way you are?
Answer:
First of all being ungrateful can lead one down a slippery slope of anger at God and walking away from God.
But
Knowing He loves me, and made me the exact way He wanted.
Even if God had made a person extremely beautiful the beauty will fade, it could stand in the way of helping lead people to Jesus.
I have to have trust that He made me just the way I should be for His glory.
I am struggling to answer this one, I am also looking forward to your helpful ideas...
maybe I am just getting tired ( I did fall asleep and came back to it, but am still floundering. sniff
Last was this question: How can you learn to be grateful for how God has made you and the ways He is using you for His glory—just the way you are?
Maybe it would help if you tried to answer a different but similar question.... How can you learn to be grateful for God saving you? To answer this question, wouldn't you have to study your Bible to discover all you can about how and why God saved you? Wouldn't it also help to know more about God Himself such as what His characteristics were? Then too I suppose it would also help if you thought about it and realized just how wicked you really were before you were saved, and also checked your Bible for more information about that as well. Learning more about all those things would tend to make you even more grateful for being saved, wouldn't they?
Keep in mind that the question she's asking is "how can you learn to be grateful" not "how can you be grateful". Another thing to think about is that when someone is really grateful for something, what do they feel? They feel joy! That could be another hint for you as well.
Esther 2:21—3:15
A growing number of people (including many believers in Christ) are convinced of the truthfulness of all sorts of conspiracy theories involving the government, the military complex, the press, Hollywood, big banking, and even organized religion. Why do you think such theories are increasingly popular?
Answer:
I think there are many reasons.
Some may be just gossip and wanting to be a know-it-all.
Some may be looking for answers and get caught by someone's conspiracy.
Also, I think it is sometimes satan's trap, to keep even believer's in the 'world' and not focused on the Lord, and being obedient, loving etc.
However, I am not convinced that all 'conspiracy theories are always false.
I do believe, many are, some may have 1/2 truths, and others are in fact true.
The issue is I think, is it just gossip
or
does it actually affect my family and friends in a significant way, that I have a need to know to somehow protect them as best I can.
For example, Jay Sekulow ( a Jew by birth but a born again Christian lawyer, who fights endlessly for Christians about to be killed in foreign countries, fights legal battles against abortion ( is going to be taking it to the Supreme Court soon), schools discriminating against Christians , etc.
He is now one of President Trump's lawyers as well. He has talked a lot about the 'deep state'....once a conspiracy.
Another reason I mention Jay Sekulow, is because the 'deep state' sort of reminds me of the conspiracy against the king Ahasuerus.
But for example, for years, I heard of a 'conspiracy, that the LBGQ...( the letters keep increasing to the point I can't even keep up) ....
goal was to convert as many children as possible to that lifestyle......
only,
I am watching it come true day by day ( Sodom and Gomorrah)......although always with us, had gone mostly underground for decades, but is now worse than ever.
And that effects close to home, and knowing how its being done helps to fight it with grandchildren.
So tho most or many are busy body, gossipy ( even if true...like concerning a movie star etc.) and takes our eyes off of Jesus,
still, sometimes, they are not only true,
but it helps to be aware, and we are able to pray having a better idea of what we need to pray about....not that God is not fully aware, and He is still on His throne, but He allows us to pray and join Him.
In fact, any conspiracies I hear of need prayer....because, if totally false of half true, they may have caught some family member or friends.
Esther 2:21—3:15
What were the details of the plot to assassinate King Ahasuerus? How did Mordecai thwart this plot?
Answer:
Bigthan and Teresh, two of the king's eunuchs, were angry at the king ( maybe because of Vashti banishment?) Mordecai brought this information to Queen Esther, and Esther told the king in the name of Mordecai.
Esther 2:21—3:15
Why did Haman become furious with Mordecai? Why do you think Mordecai refused to pay homage to Haman?
(verses to consider: Exodus 20:3–6; Deuteronomy 25:17–19; 1 Samuel 15:32–33; Matthew 4:10)
Answer:
"all the king's servants who were at the king's gate bowed down and paid homage to Haman, for the king had so commanded concerning him. But Mordecai did not bow down or pay homage..."
Mordecai would not bow to Haman because Mordecai would only worship the one true God.
Also he "Remember what the Amalekites did..." as God had said.
It also seemed that Mordecai knew that Hamman was a descendant of Agag the king who had killed many Jews ( and Samuel then killed Agag).
Esther 2:21—3:15
How did Haman try to determine a date on which to carry out his murderous plot?
Answer:
They cast Pur ( cast lots)
How do you see God’s sovereign hand at work through this process?
Answer:
I am thinking she means j( for now) just about the casting of lots?
If so, it worked on ( by God's sovereign hand) to a longer time, so that they Jews were able to prepare to defend themselves.
Why don’t we use this method for making decisions today?
Answer:
For one thing we have the full council of God, the Bible.
Plus, we can pray, and God's spirit lives within us.
What resources has God given us to help us make decisions?
(verses to consider: Nehemiah 10:34; Proverbs 16:33; Acts 1:26)
Answer:
Prayer, Scripture, other born again believers advise
Esther 2:21—3:15
In what specific ways have you been pressured to compromise your faith?
Answer:
Evolution, 'tolerance', sexual sins, don't judge, self centered, make friends with unbelievers, getting carried away with politics, health issues, have fun, lighten up, believe psychology, believe science, climate change, fear of being hated, blend in when with unbelievers, don't rock the boat, don't 'shove' any iota of your faith down someone's throat ( as IF I could), also videos, the news etc. ( you may be watching what you think it going to be straight forward and all of a sudden someone may start swearing, etc.)
About conspiracy theories: I have to ask, what does God say about them? ““Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it.” (Isaiah 8:12) and “Do not lose heart or be afraid when rumors are heard in the land; one rumor comes this year, another the next, rumors of violence in the land and of ruler against ruler.” (Jeremiah 51:46) and finally: “But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear what they fear; do not be frightened.” But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,” (1 Peter 3:14–15)
Second: If something agrees with scripture, then it's not a conspiracy theory, it's truth, and scripture says that people would become sexually decadent, which as you've said is happening more and more. The conspiracy part would likely be who was behind it or something like that, but the Bible already told us who was behind it, so unless they agree with what the Bible says caused this, their theory is wrong.
As far as conspiracy theories in general, what do they cause people to feel? They cause fear and that's exactly what they mean to cause in people. They also cause people to think that they can "be prepared" for something by relying on themselves, which again goes against the Bible, even if what they're suggesting sounds true. Fear is not of God or from God, it's from Satan and of Satan which should give people a good idea of where these things come from.
Besides which, no matter what a conspiracy theory says, God is the one in control and He doesn't need anyone to do anything to help. Another thing conspiracy theories do is divide people, and God wants reconciliation not division. Satan is the one that divides. Conspiracy theories are very unhealthy for Christians to get into. They do no good and cause great harm!
Here's some links for you to study if you want. This is from Sola Sisters who are very good. (they list the first 4 parts at the top of this article)
Christians and Conspiracy Theories: A Biblical Response (Part 5 - Conclusion)
In a crisis situation, how do you typically respond? Do you (a) become hysterical; (b) become immobilized by fear; (c) pray; (d) swing into action; (e) try to escape; (f) react in some other way? Why do you think you respond this way?
Answer:
It really depends on the Crisis
I seldom if ever have become hysterical, I have become immobilized with fear
at other time ( less often, but more as time goes by, I pray)
I was usually too afraid to attempt escape, but maybe in my mind, which is part of being immobilized, and yet a type of escape if only in my mind....but now tho at first, I might still do that, I do find my next thing is to pray.
What are some of the most courageous decisions you witnessed in the last year? What tough, but right, choices have you made yourself? What happened?
Answer:
Tho I know many people do not like President Trump....I still think he has done several courageous things like pull out of the climate Change agreement and move the US embassy in Israel....when both were not popular things to do.
Several Christian businesses refused to compromise their beliefs and lose their businesses, plus pay a great deal of money also....and they did it kindly.
There were several times when someone came into a place of business etc. shooting everyone they could, and some men courageously ran towards the gunman instead of away ( tho they los their lives, it saved many others)
Over 100 policemen died in 2018 in the line of duty.
I am not sure I made any tough choices. It was a little hard being baptized...I was thrilled to do, because of Jesus....but being in front of the whole congregation was a bit scary...but I am so glad I did it.
How did Mordecai respond when he learned that Haman’s genocidal decree had been approved by the king? What is the significance of sackcloth and ashes? Can you think of any modern-day equivalents for believers in the West?
(verses to consider: Genesis 37:34; 2 Kings 19:1; Jeremiah 6:26; Daniel 9:3)
Answer:
Some will have prayer vigils (and will sometimes fast also)
The chapter makes a couple of references to fasting (verses 3, 16). What is the purpose of fasting? What does it indicate? (verses to consider: Ezra 8:21; 9:5; Nehemiah 1:4; Psalm 35:13)
Answer:
I think its to be closer to God in prayer, without distractions, eating being one. Usually, it's in times of great danger and intense prayer doesn't even find time for eating, since one is so focused on praying.
What did Mordecai want Esther to do? Why was she fearful of his request? What finally convinced her to approach the king?
Answer:
Mordecai wanted Esther "to go to the king to beg his favor and plead with him on behalf of her people".
She was fearful because:
Esther 4:11
"....if any man or woman goes to the king inside the inner court without being called, there is but one law—to be put to death, except the one to whom the king holds out the golden scepter so that he may live. But as for me, I have not been called to come in to the king these thirty days.”
Mordecai said to her:
Esther 4:13, 14
“......Do not think to yourself that in the king's palace you will escape any more than all the other Jews. 14 For if you keep silent at this time, relief and deliverance will rise for the Jews from another place, but you and your father's house will perish. And who knows whether you have not come to the kingdom for such a time as this?”
What is significant about Mordecai’s claim that if you remain completely silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place (verse 14)? (verses to consider: Genesis 17:1–8)
Answer:
God had made a promise ( an everlasting covenant ) with Abraham that :
Genesis 17: 7,8
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you. 8 And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.”
So God's will be done and nothing can swath his will, if it was not done one way, it would be done another.
Read Philippians 2:3–4. In what ways did Esther “live out” the truth of this New Testament passage? How might her privileged life in the luxury of the Persian royal palace have altered her values and affected her actions?
Answer:
Philippians 2:3–4
"3 Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. 4 Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others".
She risked dying by going to see the king, uninvited, tho she knew she might die as a result, but she did it for all the other Jews who would surely die.
Clearly, a life of a queen, would have made it easy to just become self-centered and pampered, and think it was only about her, and the lower class of people beneath her...and thus not really care to risk her life for them.
Mordecai essentially reasoned with Esther this way: “Do you think your becoming queen of Persia was a mere fluke? Do you think you can now ignore your heritage and opt only to live a comfortable life? No, there’s a reason you’ve been placed in such an influential position! You need to take careful stock of this situation and use it to the glory of God.”
If you had a wise old “Cousin Mordecai,” what counsel might he give you today as you face your unique life situation?
Answer:
I am not really sure....there are soooo soooo soooo many fronts now where good is considered evil, and evil good. It's hard to know what battles to stand for and when and how, and with whom.
This is another one, I will eagerly await what you have to say.
About your tough decisions...what's tough for one person isn't necessarily tough for another and that's ok. Never be afraid to share what's tough for you though, because there's always someone who has the same problem and can benefit from hearing what you did.
Yes, the reason someone fasts is so they can use the time they would have been eating to pray and get closer to God.
You didn't answer this question: What is significant about Mordecai’s claim that if you remain completely silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place? You just posted the scriptures....
You didn't answer the last one either.... I'll answer later what he might say to me, but you need to say what you think he'd say to you lol
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fearnot
Living With Pain
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Post by fearnot on Jan 7, 2019 12:56:14 GMT -5
1. What insights about the evil of racism can you identify in Esther?
Answer:
Haman did not just hate Mordecai, but rather all Jews...
but more than that he determined to kill every last Jew alive.
2. Although God is not specifically mentioned in Esther, how do you see Him working?
Answer:
God placed Esther and Mordecai there at the right time.
God saw to it the eunuch favored Esther.
God saw to it that the King loved Esther more than all the others.
God saw to it that the pur ( dice) gave the Jews a long time to prepare.
God gave favor to Esther when she went to see the King uninvited, and the king was intrigued by the mystery dinners Esther prepared.
God saw to it that the King came back just when Haman 'appeared' to be assaulting Queen Esther.
God saw to it the King allowed the Jews to defend themselves and the outcome was they were saved from complete annihilation.
3. What kind of a person was Esther? How do you know?
Answer:
First she was obedient, as she consistently did what Mordecai asked of her.
She was humble as she asked the eunuch his advise instead of demanding whatever she wanted.
She was brave because she risked he life going to see the king uninvited.
She was compassionate because she did it for others.
She had great faith in that she asked for a 3 day fast.
4. In what different ways did God arrange for the deliverance
and safety of His people?
Answer:
He arranged for Esther and Mordecai to be there at the exact time, and for the King to love Esther, and make her queen.
He had all people love and care about Esther.
He arranged for the dice to give a long time for the Jews to prepare.
God arranged for the King not to be able to sleep, but instead ask how was Mordecai honored for saving the King's life ( thus Haman was not able to kill Modecai)
The 2 feasts that Esther gave showed the King the truth about Haman.
5. In what ways would you say you are actively involved to make a difference in your own time of history?
Answer:
There is not much. I try to give grandchildren as much as they will listen about Jesus, and take them to church.
I add tracts, Bibles etc. to homeless packages when I can go for a walk ( which has not been recently, but am hoping I can in the Spring).
I post MacArthur sermons etc. online.
I pray
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Post by fearnot on Jan 7, 2019 13:17:53 GMT -5
I forgot...
but also didn't want to answer why do I sometimes freeze in crisis, because at the time the first thing I was thinking of was more of 'excuses....going back to childhood....
but really, it's because, I am not trusting God, in the moment.
What is significant about Mordecai’s claim would be God's plans will not be stopped, no matter what. A chosen person can refused to do something, but then God will either find a way to bring them courage or He will raise up someone else, or will arrange something different.
I think uncle Mordecai might be saying, don't worry about being old and this not listened to when speaking about anything about today's cultural of calling Godly truths evil, and evil good.
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Post by fearnot on Jan 8, 2019 15:00:10 GMT -5
Today I went back to Acts, because I 'think', I answer all of Pastor John MacArthur's questions
and
the newest Imperishable beauty lesson is not yet posted.
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Post by Cindy on Jan 9, 2019 12:28:52 GMT -5
1. What insights about the evil of racism can you identify in Esther?
Answer:
Haman did not just hate Mordecai, but rather all Jews...
but more than that he determined to kill every last Jew alive.
2. Although God is not specifically mentioned in Esther, how do you see Him working?
Answer:
God placed Esther and Mordecai there at the right time.
God saw to it the eunuch favored Esther.
God saw to it that the King loved Esther more than all the others.
God saw to it that the pur ( dice) gave the Jews a long time to prepare.
God gave favor to Esther when she went to see the King uninvited, and the king was intrigued by the mystery dinners Esther prepared.
God saw to it that the King came back just when Haman 'appeared' to be assaulting Queen Esther.
God saw to it the King allowed the Jews to defend themselves and the outcome was they were saved from complete annihilation.
3. What kind of a person was Esther? How do you know?
Answer:
First she was obedient, as she consistently did what Mordecai asked of her.
She was humble as she asked the eunuch his advise instead of demanding whatever she wanted.
She was brave because she risked he life going to see the king uninvited.
She was compassionate because she did it for others.
She had great faith in that she asked for a 3 day fast.
4. In what different ways did God arrange for the deliverance
and safety of His people?
Answer:
He arranged for Esther and Mordecai to be there at the exact time, and for the King to love Esther, and make her queen.
He had all people love and care about Esther.
He arranged for the dice to give a long time for the Jews to prepare.
God arranged for the King not to be able to sleep, but instead ask how was Mordecai honored for saving the King's life ( thus Haman was not able to kill Modecai)
The 2 feasts that Esther gave showed the King the truth about Haman.
5. In what ways would you say you are actively involved to make a difference in your own time of history?
Answer:
There is not much. I try to give grandchildren as much as they will listen about Jesus, and take them to church.
I add tracts, Bibles etc. to homeless packages when I can go for a walk ( which has not been recently, but am hoping I can in the Spring).
I post MacArthur sermons etc. online.
I pray
I forgot...
but also didn't want to answer why do I sometimes freeze in crisis, because at the time the first thing I was thinking of was more of 'excuses....going back to childhood....
but really, it's because, I am not trusting God, in the moment.
What is significant about Mordecai’s claim would be God's plans will not be stopped, no matter what. A chosen person can refused to do something, but then God will either find a way to bring them courage or He will raise up someone else, or will arrange something different.
I think uncle Mordecai might be saying, don't worry about being old and this not listened to when speaking about anything about today's cultural of calling Godly truths evil, and evil good. Today I went back to Acts, because I 'think', I answer all of Pastor John MacArthur's questions
and
the newest Imperishable beauty lesson is not yet posted. |
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Post by fearnot on Jan 9, 2019 12:59:44 GMT -5
I think I may have learned to 'freeze' as a small child, when moved to home to home. It was stress, and and no loving adult to help with the scary, unknown transition...Not knowing Jesus then, I did not trust or lean on Him.
I do know that for years and years, if someone raised their voice to me in anger, I would almost always flinch ( it was not exactly that I thought I was going to be hit, it was just an automatic reflect, that I had no real control over, because it happened so fast. I didn't think to myself:
I will shrink/recoil now LOL)
so my usual response was flinch and/or then I would freeze.
Too a very small extent I do that a wee bit, if Leonard is angry...he can be in the other room, upset with some material item.....but I will just stop moving....and wait...til the 'storm' so to speak, has blown away.
In the past, I might ask if he needed help or something, and he would just say: Leave me alone.
It's usually because he is angry at a 'thing' and/or himself.....
and
I also think it is a 'learned' response for him, most likely, to when his dad was drunk and yelling.
So it's strange, I 'freeze' at yelling, and he has moments of getting upset and yelling ha ha.
However, he has been asking the Lord in prayer daily to help him with his bad temper.....he has not ever hit me...so its not that....its just like you said, a 'learned response'.
I have only occasionally reacted to someone in anger in the past....only a few times when my children were small and someone was near to abusing them....
not exactly or necessarily a better response, but the only time that changed the automatic freeze.
The other times I don't freeze is if there is a medical issue, I can deal with,
or at least,
give or bring some kind of compassion to the person ( s) or animals etc.
It does however, give me a chance to evaluate my options and/or 'think' but tho I used to be totally frozen
its a lot less now.
So I will work on Acts chapter 6 again today.
And look forward to tomorrow. :-)
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