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Post by fearnot on Dec 9, 2018 21:47:00 GMT -5
Question 3. Study the Matthew 28 passage.
This passage of Scripture is often called The Great Commission. Break the passage down into three parts, and exposit each part:
The Preamble (18): Describe Jesus’ authority, motivation, and reasons for giving the instructions and promise that follow.
Answer:
Jesus has again the full authority ( from God the Father to Jesus God the Son)
as God over everything. the motive being, to make disciples, that will glorify and worship God.
The Prescription (19-20a): What are the four verbs (action words) in this passage that Christ instructs us to do? Explain how Christians in general, and you personally, can carry out each of these actions.
Answer:
Go
make disciples
baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
teaching them
I don't think Go absolutely means go to a foreign country. I think it is more like act.
It may mean God is calling you to be a missionary, but it could also mean, go to your immediate family, or the neighbor, or people in your town ( and even then that does not necessarily means go door to door, but act when the time presents itself.
To make disciples is different than just getting a person to say a prayer and hope they are really converted....you have to spend time, teaching, answering their questions ( perhaps over many years.....
which makes me think of you and how you to this very day, do so with me :-)
and baptize them ( I am not sure we most always be the ones baptizing, but if there is no pastor that can do it, we certainly can and should.
But to make disciples rather than just converts or believers, mean they are born again, and will study God's Word and follow Jesus throughout their life....they will become mature believers and remain disciples.
The Promise (20b): What promise does Christ make to us as we carry out The Great Commission? What are some of the things He does not promise us? Explain why His promise to be with us is the perfect promise – the one we need the most – as we share the gospel with others.
Answer: By being with us the Holy Spirit will help us with what words to say....so it is not 100% on me, to know what verses to quote or what to say.
This fears us from fear, knowing He is with us.
But if we suffer for it, we can know we are honored, and we know He will help us deal with whatever consequences there are.
We strengthen our relying on Him instead of ourselves.
God promises that He will be with us.
He does not promises we will always make disciples and be successful.
He does not promise that some of the people we try to make disciples of will love us, but rather hate us.
He does not say, they will all continue in discipleship.
We learn to totally trust the Holy Spirit....perhaps a verse comes to mind, that seems totally wrong and/or out of place for the conversation you ( I ) am having with someone,
but
we obediently say it
and to our utter surprise,
perhaps the person will cry,
and say that is 'exactly', what they desperately needed to hear!!
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Post by Cindy on Dec 10, 2018 10:49:19 GMT -5
Question 1.
What is evangelism? In your own words, give a brief definition of what evangelism involves and why we evangelize.
Answer:
Evangelism is sharing/preaching the 'good news' about Jesus.
It involves explaining the truth ( without sugar coating it, and yet with great love) about the 'bad news' ....about sin, and hell.
But then,
what God....Jesus did for us,
so we can be forgive and be with Him eternally in Heaven.
We evangelize because Jesus told us to and also out of love for the lost.
Briefly review lessons 7-8 (links above). Describe how knowing and loving God’s Word (lesson 7) leads to obeying God’s Word (lesson 8), which leads to sharing the gospel with others.
Answer: when we know/hear/ read we find we are in love with God's Word we come to love God more and more, and because we love God we want to please Him and do what He asks ( commands).
We find there are so many blessings, peace and joy in obedience....out of love for others we want them to have the same joy, peace and blessings.
This is shorter today, I had what is called a 'wellness' doctor's visit ( once a year) and then a regular visit.
and hung out with Devon....
but also the last 2 nights I had maybe 4 hours of sleep last night
and none the previous night....
so I am continually nodding out ZZZZZZZZ
Hopefully, I will sleep well tonight!! :-)
I had the same problem with not sleeping until last night when I finally slept like a log, but I still slept quite late today anyway lol. Hope you get some sleep too!
Hey, you never said if you got rid of the rat?
2. If evangelism is sharing the gospel with others, we want to be certain we’re sharing the complete and true gospel. Briefly review my article: Basic Training: The Gospel and the Scriptures it contains.
Answer:
So I will read this today.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 10, 2018 11:23:33 GMT -5
Question 3. Study the Matthew 28 passage.
This passage of Scripture is often called The Great Commission. Break the passage down into three parts, and exposit each part:
The Preamble (18): Describe Jesus’ authority, motivation, and reasons for giving the instructions and promise that follow.
Answer:
Jesus has again the full authority ( from God the Father to Jesus God the Son)
as God over everything. the motive being, to make disciples, that will glorify and worship God.
The Prescription (19-20a): What are the four verbs (action words) in this passage that Christ instructs us to do? Explain how Christians in general, and you personally, can carry out each of these actions.
Answer:
Go
make disciples
baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
teaching them
I don't think Go absolutely means go to a foreign country. I think it is more like act.
It may mean God is calling you to be a missionary, but it could also mean, go to your immediate family, or the neighbor, or people in your town ( and even then that does not necessarily means go door to door, but act when the time presents itself.
To make disciples is different than just getting a person to say a prayer and hope they are really converted....you have to spend time, teaching, answering their questions ( perhaps over many years.....
which makes me think of you and how you to this very day, do so with me :-)
and baptize them ( I am not sure we most always be the ones baptizing, but if there is no pastor that can do it, we certainly can and should.
But to make disciples rather than just converts or believers, mean they are born again, and will study God's Word and follow Jesus throughout their life....they will become mature believers and remain disciples.
The Promise (20b): What promise does Christ make to us as we carry out The Great Commission? What are some of the things He does not promise us? Explain why His promise to be with us is the perfect promise – the one we need the most – as we share the gospel with others.
Answer: By being with us the Holy Spirit will help us with what words to say....so it is not 100% on me, to know what verses to quote or what to say.
This fears us from fear, knowing He is with us.
But if we suffer for it, we can know we are honored, and we know He will help us deal with whatever consequences there are.
We strengthen our relying on Him instead of ourselves.
God promises that He will be with us.
He does not promises we will always make disciples and be successful.
He does not promise that some of the people we try to make disciples of will love us, but rather hate us.
He does not say, they will all continue in discipleship.
We learn to totally trust the Holy Spirit....perhaps a verse comes to mind, that seems totally wrong and/or out of place for the conversation you ( I ) am having with someone,
but
we obediently say it
and to our utter surprise,
perhaps the person will cry,
and say that is 'exactly', what they desperately needed to hear!!
Here's two excepts from MacArthur:
As a Christian, you are God’s person in your family, school, or place of employment. He has placed you there as His ambassador to influence others for Christ. That’s a wonderful privilege and an awesome responsibility. Strength for today.
You could call us the spiritual CIA: our job is to expose the crimes of darkness. Our tool is the Word of God. We also are commissioned by God to verbally expose the evil of the world. We must diagnose it, confront it, and then offer the solution. Sin is a cancer that must be removed. You aren’t helping anyone by ignoring it. People need to be convicted about their sin before they will ever see their need for a Savior. Truth for today
A disciple is someone who confesses Christ as Lord and Savior, believes that God has raised Him from the dead, and declares that belief publicly through baptism. He is not some sort of “upper–level” Christian. You don’t have to wait to become a disciple at some future time in your Christian life when you have reached a certain level of maturity. According to Mat 28:19–20, a disciple is made at the moment of salvation. Some claim that there are many Christians who are not disciples. They recall today’s verse and say that in order to be a disciple, one has to deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Christ. If one is not up to that level of commitment, they think, then he is not worthy to be Christ’s disciple. But you cannot separate discipleship from conversion. When someone is saved, he receives a submissive spirit that manifests itself by a willingness to make a public confession and obey whatever else Christ commands. Are you, then, a disciple? Truth for today
Another one I'd like to share because it's so good:
Pay careful attention to the language in this phrase. Jesus does not say “in the nameS” – plural. He says, “in the name” – singular. This is a boldly Trinitarian statement directly from 2 of its members: Jesus, who spoke these words to the disciples, & the Holy Spirit, who breathed them out through the pen of Matthew. This is God Himself telling us who He is. Jesus spoke these words to good Jewish boys who were born & bred on the shema: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” There was to be no confusion for new Believers back then, Believers today, or to the onlooking world, as to who these Christians are following. They are not following 3 different gods. They are following the one true God in 3 Persons: God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit. Basic Training
What really gets me is that it seems like a great many people forget that part of our commission is to make disciples. It's NOT just to witness to people, but rather to continue with them to teach them so they can become mature in their faith and tell others about the Lord and teach them. That's what the apostles did, and the early Christians did too. They didn't just all gather together once a week to listen to the apostles or someone preach and then go home and expect the apostles to do it all. Nor did they bring unbelievers into their gathering to get "converted". While it's true that there will be times when all we can do it witness to someone and bring them to salvation, and let others take over from there, (like Philip had to do with the Egyptian) most of the time, we're to do both. Yet today it seems like people focus only on the witnessing part. I think that's because there is no great love for God anymore and in order to "make things easier" people were taught to just do the one thing instead, or just leave out a tract or something. (not that those are bad things, but that's all some folks do).
The other part that people seem to forget is that any Christian can baptize someone who wants to be baptized. No pastor is needed for that! (although it's perfectly ok for a pastor to do it as well).
Our whole lives are supposed to be walking, talking advertisements for the Lord and His Kingdom. Yet there are many people who you'd never know they were Christian unless you happened to find out they went to church on Sunday!
I just finished reading my notes in my bible for this passage and found one where Wiersbe said the same thing i did! (only he said it better lol) But he added something I hadn't thought of...which shows just how wrong the churches today are that are using gimmicks to get members:
The only way a local church can “be fruitful and multiply” (instead of growing by “additions”) is with a systematic discipleship program. This is the responsibility of every believer, and not just a small group who have been “called to go.” It is not enough to win people to the Saviour; we must also teach them the Word of God. This is also a part of the Great Commission. The Bible exposition commentary
PS. I didn't add this stuff because you forgot anything, I only added it because i thought you might be interested in it, and as for what I wrote, simply because I like to talk LOL. You did very well!
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Post by fearnot on Dec 10, 2018 12:44:59 GMT -5
Thank you so much for the 'added stuff' LOL
I do find it interesting, and am so pleased that you do so!!!
I think I told you that months ago one of the cats left us a rat at our door ( dead rat of course)
Then Leonard bought a special rat trap that slowly electrocutes the rat ( it almost like the rat never knows what is happening).
Anyway, we got one that way.
Since then, we have not had any IN our cottage, but we have heard them from time to time, in the ceiling or under the cottage.
However, we now have a semi-feral orange female cat, who is now, a fat contented, house cat...but does go out also.
Still she does like to go in the 'attic' ( sort of...we can't get to it, but it's sort of a ceiling space?)
where she used to go ......(before she became a kittie pet) .....when it rained etc.
She still will go there, and clear out the rodents... for a time,
until
they sneak back in (I guess that's what they do...tiptoe in single file late one dark night), and then,
she goes back a rousts them out again!!!!
Sooo ....so far.......for now,
no more rat inside....
but....
we also kept the rat electric chair tho!!!
I am trying to finish a 2nd of 5 commissioned paintings by Fri. I don't know if I will make the deadline, but I am going to make a valiant effort.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 10, 2018 14:47:26 GMT -5
Question 4.
Examine Acts 1:8 (and read verses 1-7 for context) and Romans 10:13-15.
In your own words, set the scene for Jesus speaking the words in Acts 1:8.
How is verse 8 an explanation of the word “go” in Jesus’ instructions to the disciples in The Great Commission?
Answer:
Jesus was about to ascend into Heaven, these were His last words.
V. 8 explains that when the Holy Spirit comes, the disciple will receive power, to equip them to be witnesses and make more disciples and will be able to go where sent.
Who will empower them to carry out The Great Commission?
Answer:
The Holy Spirit
Relate this empowerment to the authority Jesus spoke of in Matthew 28:18. How are they to make disciples?
Answer:
Jesus has all authority, those that are His will come to Him. So it is not by their own charisma, great oratory skills, good looks, entertaining or funny stories, not the great backup band and gospel singers with them, awesome outfit or anything else like that.
It is God's spiritual power, not human.
It is with God's Word and the help of the Holy spirit, and the willingness to continue to teach as long as the person wishes to be discipled from the Bible.
but God will determine the outcome.
Think of a witness in a courtroom. How were the disciples witnesses of Christ?
Answer:
The spoke only the Truth....God's truth ( Biblical truth) ,
no matter the cost or outcome, including death.
They also spoke with love, showing the love Jesus put in their hearts for the lost.
They are truthful witnesses....to what they saw, what happened, how it effected them and others etc.
Where are they to “go therefore” to find these people to witness Christ to and make into disciples?
Answer:
They start with where they are, closest to their lives, their home, friends, people in the town they live in. From there as the Holy spirit calls them, they move further out, to surrounding towns, villages, cities, and further yet, even to the places farthest from their homes.
How does Romans 10:13-15 also explain the “how to” of The Great Commission?
Answer: In order to be saved, born again, a person has to hear the gospel, they can't hear, unless someone tells them or points them to the Bible, when they believe then they call upon the Lord to be saved.
Why are the feet of those who bring the gospel “beautiful”?
Answer:
There is no better news in all the world, never was, nor is now, nor ever will be. It is beautiful because it brings peace and joy of everlasting life with Jesus forever. It frees people from the tyranny of sin, the devil and hell. Those who bring that news have 'beautiful'' because they brought the message from God, of such love and of salvation.
It is not a message of having to do hard works, the rest of their lives...in order to hope that God will be pleased with their good works and might save them as a result ( like all other religions).
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Post by fearnot on Dec 11, 2018 10:46:00 GMT -5
Question 5.
Look at a 1st century map containing Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria.
Think about what you know (or search a concordance) about the disciples’ relationship to each of these places.
Was Jesus just naming random places for them to go preach the gospel?
Answer:No he never said anything just random.
What was the meaning the disciples would have mentally attached to each of these places that told them about the people they would be reaching in each of these places?
Answer: Jerusalem would be like family, friends, neighbors and the like.
Judea would be more like slight acquaintances or strangers in towns and cities nearby.
But Samaria would be more like people you did not really like, nor they you.
They would have some points of references, you might both know,
but they would seem to get it all wrong or be totally confused.
Anyway, this would not be your first choice, and they might have felt quite a bit like Jonah, wishing to avoid them, pass on by, go around, run away etc.
Explain the expanding geography of the gospel: Jerusalem→Judea→Samaria→ends of the earth.
How can you make application of both of these points (the meaning of each place and the expanding geography of the gospel) to your own life and to your church? How can you take the gospel to:
“Jerusalem”– The people and physical location closest to you: members of your own household, family, closest friends. Your neighborhood, community, town.
“Judea”– People who aren’t quite as close, literally or figuratively: acquaintances, co-workers, extended family, cashiers/bank tellers/service people/your child’s teacher. People who live in farther away areas of your state or country.
“Samaria”– Remember the Jews’ and Samaritans’ attitudes toward each other?
Explain how The Great Commission involves going out of your way to take the gospel, not just to the people you like and have much in common with, but to our enemies, or to people who look, talk, and act differently than we do, and are from different backgrounds and cultures.
“The Ends of the Earth”– How can we reach “the ends of the earth”?
Answer:
In some ways I think ( at least at first) bringing the gospel to Jerusalem, can sometimes be the hardest. Those of your own family are usually people you have to live with on a day to day, and night basis. Generally speaking, people often react poorly to the gospel because the idea they are sinners is insulting to them. This if you give your family, close friends etc. the gospel, you may be living with some pretty angry sullen folks ( possibly for a very long time).
Still, the Holy spirit may help when certain things come up in their lives, or in yours, where you can speak of what God is doing or helping you ( or could them) .
Today, it's getting harder and harder to be even allowed on any level to talk or give the gospel to co-workers, other students, (Judea) etc.
Yet, God is still on the throne, and an opportunity may yet present itself ( at the right time, not to disrupt work or learning tho).
And, its the 'risk' you may have to take.
Then there is Samarians...those that do not like you or you don't really care for them.
Nevertheless, God may have those He has chosen from this group. I admire evangelists for this very reason. They are not like pastors, who pretty much get to preach to the 'choir'....the evangelists often talk to hecklers, haters, 'low life' types, scary violent people etc. They don't often travel super far to begin reaching the lost ( not like missionaries).
But perhaps we are on a subway or train etc. in maybe a city ( and we are totally different for example, say we are farm people, or very small village people, with a totally different life style....than some city folk who don't like 'hicks' (farmers), and 'hicks' may not think much of big city folk.....
and yet,
the Lord, wants some of them...
so if you are on a bus, train, in a city, which you dislike passionately, sitting next to you, could be a hurting 'city slicker', who needs Jesus, and the opportunity to give them the gospel is there, that is what you must do.
And of course, there are gospel tracts or Bibles, you could leave.
Missionaries are those who go to the 'ends of the earth'.
They usually live in that place, as it is soooo far away from their home.
If God calls you to go, to give the gospel there, you need to go.
But if you are not personally called to be a missionary, you could support those who do go.
Other ways, to spread the gospel to the ends of the earth, would be by radio, TV programs,send books, Bibles, pamphlets, thru internet videos, etc.
Have you ever seriously considered working in full-time, vocational missions, either as a field missionary or on staff with a support organization?
Answer: No
Give it some thought. But even if God has not called us to vocational missions, we can still “hold the rope” for those who go. What are some ways you and your church can support missionaries, missions organizations, Bible translators, indigenous pastor training programs, etc.?
Answer:
Financially, and with prayer....also ,send them letters of encouragement.
Perhaps, help them when they are getting ready to go...maybe cook meals, watch their children, help pack, shop for them, pray with them, encourage them etc.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 11, 2018 13:45:48 GMT -5
Thank you so much for the 'added stuff' LOL
I do find it interesting, and am so pleased that you do so!!!
I think I told you that months ago one of the cats left us a rat at our door ( dead rat of course)
Then Leonard bought a special rat trap that slowly electrocutes the rat ( it almost like the rat never knows what is happening).
Anyway, we got one that way.
Since then, we have not had any IN our cottage, but we have heard them from time to time, in the ceiling or under the cottage.
However, we now have a semi-feral orange female cat, who is now, a fat contented, house cat...but does go out also.
Still she does like to go in the 'attic' ( sort of...we can't get to it, but it's sort of a ceiling space?)
where she used to go ......(before she became a kittie pet) .....when it rained etc.
She still will go there, and clear out the rodents... for a time,
until
they sneak back in (I guess that's what they do...tiptoe in single file late one dark night), and then,
she goes back a rousts them out again!!!!
Sooo ....so far.......for now,
no more rat inside....
but....
we also kept the rat electric chair tho!!!
I am trying to finish a 2nd of 5 commissioned paintings by Fri. I don't know if I will make the deadline, but I am going to make a valiant effort.
Question 4.
Examine Acts 1:8 (and read verses 1-7 for context) and Romans 10:13-15.
In your own words, set the scene for Jesus speaking the words in Acts 1:8.
How is verse 8 an explanation of the word “go” in Jesus’ instructions to the disciples in The Great Commission?
Answer:
Jesus was about to ascend into Heaven, these were His last words.
V. 8 explains that when the Holy Spirit comes, the disciple will receive power, to equip them to be witnesses and make more disciples and will be able to go where sent.
Who will empower them to carry out The Great Commission?
Answer:
The Holy Spirit
Relate this empowerment to the authority Jesus spoke of in Matthew 28:18. How are they to make disciples?
Answer:
Jesus has all authority, those that are His will come to Him. So it is not by their own charisma, great oratory skills, good looks, entertaining or funny stories, not the great backup band and gospel singers with them, awesome outfit or anything else like that.
It is God's spiritual power, not human.
It is with God's Word and the help of the Holy spirit, and the willingness to continue to teach as long as the person wishes to be discipled from the Bible.
but God will determine the outcome.
Think of a witness in a courtroom. How were the disciples witnesses of Christ?
Answer:
The spoke only the Truth....God's truth ( Biblical truth) ,
no matter the cost or outcome, including death.
They also spoke with love, showing the love Jesus put in their hearts for the lost.
They are truthful witnesses....to what they saw, what happened, how it effected them and others etc.
Where are they to “go therefore” to find these people to witness Christ to and make into disciples?
Answer:
They start with where they are, closest to their lives, their home, friends, people in the town they live in. From there as the Holy spirit calls them, they move further out, to surrounding towns, villages, cities, and further yet, even to the places farthest from their homes.
How does Romans 10:13-15 also explain the “how to” of The Great Commission?
Answer: In order to be saved, born again, a person has to hear the gospel, they can't hear, unless someone tells them or points them to the Bible, when they believe then they call upon the Lord to be saved.
Why are the feet of those who bring the gospel “beautiful”?
Answer:
There is no better news in all the world, never was, nor is now, nor ever will be. It is beautiful because it brings peace and joy of everlasting life with Jesus forever. It frees people from the tyranny of sin, the devil and hell. Those who bring that news have 'beautiful'' because they brought the message from God, of such love and of salvation.
It is not a message of having to do hard works, the rest of their lives...in order to hope that God will be pleased with their good works and might save them as a result ( like all other religions).
Oh, here's some more trivia for you, though it's not at all trivial lol:
The setting of Acts 1:8 that Jesus chose is given in Luke 24:50 and was not accidental, for the road to Bethany runs across the Mount of Olives, and it is on the Mount of Olives that He will first set foot when He returns (Zech 14:4). And that's where the water will flow from under the Temple, which is in Ezekiel 47:1-12.
Question 5.
Look at a 1st century map containing Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria.
Think about what you know (or search a concordance) about the disciples’ relationship to each of these places.
Was Jesus just naming random places for them to go preach the gospel?
Answer:No he never said anything just random.
What was the meaning the disciples would have mentally attached to each of these places that told them about the people they would be reaching in each of these places?
Answer: Jerusalem would be like family, friends, neighbors and the like.
Judea would be more like slight acquaintances or strangers in towns and cities nearby.
But Samaria would be more like people you did not really like, nor they you.
They would have some points of references, you might both know,
but they would seem to get it all wrong or be totally confused.
Anyway, this would not be your first choice, and they might have felt quite a bit like Jonah, wishing to avoid them, pass on by, go around, run away etc.
Explain the expanding geography of the gospel: Jerusalem→Judea→Samaria→ends of the earth.
How can you make application of both of these points (the meaning of each place and the expanding geography of the gospel) to your own life and to your church? How can you take the gospel to:
“Jerusalem”– The people and physical location closest to you: members of your own household, family, closest friends. Your neighborhood, community, town.
“Judea”– People who aren’t quite as close, literally or figuratively: acquaintances, co-workers, extended family, cashiers/bank tellers/service people/your child’s teacher. People who live in farther away areas of your state or country.
“Samaria”– Remember the Jews’ and Samaritans’ attitudes toward each other?
Explain how The Great Commission involves going out of your way to take the gospel, not just to the people you like and have much in common with, but to our enemies, or to people who look, talk, and act differently than we do, and are from different backgrounds and cultures.
“The Ends of the Earth”– How can we reach “the ends of the earth”?
Answer:
In some ways I think ( at least at first) bringing the gospel to Jerusalem, can sometimes be the hardest. Those of your own family are usually people you have to live with on a day to day, and night basis. Generally speaking, people often react poorly to the gospel because the idea they are sinners is insulting to them. This if you give your family, close friends etc. the gospel, you may be living with some pretty angry sullen folks ( possibly for a very long time).
Still, the Holy spirit may help when certain things come up in their lives, or in yours, where you can speak of what God is doing or helping you ( or could them) .
Today, it's getting harder and harder to be even allowed on any level to talk or give the gospel to co-workers, other students, (Judea) etc.
Yet, God is still on the throne, and an opportunity may yet present itself ( at the right time, not to disrupt work or learning tho).
And, its the 'risk' you may have to take.
Then there is Samarians...those that do not like you or you don't really care for them.
Nevertheless, God may have those He has chosen from this group. I admire evangelists for this very reason. They are not like pastors, who pretty much get to preach to the 'choir'....the evangelists often talk to hecklers, haters, 'low life' types, scary violent people etc. They don't often travel super far to begin reaching the lost ( not like missionaries).
But perhaps we are on a subway or train etc. in maybe a city ( and we are totally different for example, say we are farm people, or very small village people, with a totally different life style....than some city folk who don't like 'hicks' (farmers), and 'hicks' may not think much of big city folk.....
and yet,
the Lord, wants some of them...
so if you are on a bus, train, in a city, which you dislike passionately, sitting next to you, could be a hurting 'city slicker', who needs Jesus, and the opportunity to give them the gospel is there, that is what you must do.
And of course, there are gospel tracts or Bibles, you could leave.
Missionaries are those who go to the 'ends of the earth'.
They usually live in that place, as it is soooo far away from their home.
If God calls you to go, to give the gospel there, you need to go.
But if you are not personally called to be a missionary, you could support those who do go.
Other ways, to spread the gospel to the ends of the earth, would be by radio, TV programs,send books, Bibles, pamphlets, thru internet videos, etc.
Have you ever seriously considered working in full-time, vocational missions, either as a field missionary or on staff with a support organization?
Answer: No
Give it some thought. But even if God has not called us to vocational missions, we can still “hold the rope” for those who go. What are some ways you and your church can support missionaries, missions organizations, Bible translators, indigenous pastor training programs, etc.?
Answer:
Financially, and with prayer....also ,send them letters of encouragement.
Perhaps, help them when they are getting ready to go...maybe cook meals, watch their children, help pack, shop for them, pray with them, encourage them etc.
Let me add my two cents too about the "ends of the earth" part. I think I'd say that going to the ends of the earth would be like doing all you could possibly do to help a person to know the Lord. It would be going above and beyond the call of duty so to speak, and you would do that because you love them and don't want them to go to hell.
I agree that telling your family can be the hardest, but I also think that we're the ones that make it the hardest some times, simply because of our fears..... we tend to do that about a lot of things though....
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Post by fearnot on Dec 11, 2018 16:35:55 GMT -5
I agree, I know I tend to make it harder.
I was amazed that we take at least 3 kids to church with us, sometimes Vanessa too....and Hossanah, said she would like to go.....but this month is pretty hard for her, as manager she is working at least 13 hours a day, 6 days a week.....and of course, has all the normal housework, cooking, dishes, laundry, making lunches, taking care of 2 indoor cats, etc. etc.
so her one day off ( usually Sunday, is unfortunately this month, anyway, is time for deeper cleaning, and rest ( if at all possible....mostly NOT)
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Post by Cindy on Dec 12, 2018 11:03:03 GMT -5
I agree, I know I tend to make it harder.
I was amazed that we take at least 3 kids to church with us, sometimes Vanessa too....and Hossanah, said she would like to go.....but this month is pretty hard for her, as manager she is working at least 13 hours a day, 6 days a week.....and of course, has all the normal housework, cooking, dishes, laundry, making lunches, taking care of 2 indoor cats, etc. etc.
so her one day off ( usually Sunday, is unfortunately this month, anyway, is time for deeper cleaning, and rest ( if at all possible....mostly NOT)
I've got interesting news for you. You know that I've been taking morphine for many, many years now. Well, earlier this month, the pharmacies ran out of morphine so I couldn't get my prescription refilled. I was prepared for it though, because I've prayed about it for years and knew this day would come sooner or later and that for one reason or another, I wouldn't be able to get my meds. So I was ready for it. My nurse told me he could give me a script for a different med and I agreed to that, reminding her though that I couldn't take anything except morphine or Demerol. Well he wrote me a script for Oxycontin, and she called to let me know. I told her there was no way I could take that as it made me sick as a dog and life not worth living  . So I asked her to have him write a script for hydrocodon, which is just Vicodin. Needless to say he was shocked that I'd ask for something that isn't nearly as strong as morphine, but I can't take that other stuff. And I can't take Demerol anymore either as I got permanent side effects from when I did take it for so long and those would only get worse if i took it again.
So, I got the Vicodin yesterday afternoon. I feel pretty sure that it will be able to handle my pain now. It wouldn't have worked before I started sleeping sitting up, as my pain was much greater then, but now I think it just might be enough, which would be great! The only thing I'm not sure of is if it will be able to handle the flare up pain. But I'll most likely discover the answer to that soon too as I always have a flare up in December. I believe this is our Lord's doing though, and have thought that since I was first told that the pharmacies couldn't fill the morphine. (my doc had me call all our local pharmacies to see if any of them had any, but none did. My pharmacy is a mail order one that is only available to people who have workers comp pay for their meds). Anyway, since it is the Lord's doing, I feel sure that He will take care of the pain and make sure that the Vicodin can handle it. It should be interesting when I see my doctor this afternoon LOL.
I keep remembering how all through the OT, everything was attributed to being caused by the Lord, whether it was someone swearing at David, a war, or something as simple as where people decided to stay overnight, or whether another person did something good or bad to another person. I know how we tend to think that when something we perceive as bad, wouldn't be caused by God, but I'm not so sure. While I don't believe that God causes the really bad things to happen - like someone getting cancer, or being hit by a car, etc, but He does use those things for our good. But I have a feeling He orchestrated this event just so I could get off the morphine, because I've been wanting to for a long time and have told Him that. (however, even if I didn't want to get off it and hadn't told Him so, I think He still would have done this as it's in my best interests.) I've been wondering for a long time now if the morphine wasn't the cause of some of the other major health problems I've been having. I don't know if it is, but it will be good to find out for sure.
I know workers comp will like it that I've changed to this med as it's 100 times less expensive then morphine is! In fact, it's so inexpensive, I can afford to pay for it myself if I choose too and tell workers comp to go jump in a lake!
When I look back at all the Lord has done to help me control the pain, it amazes me. So I'm looking at this as a positive change for me. If it doesn't work for some reason, I can always go back to the morphine in January, but I sure don't want to, and don't think I'll have to... Plus, the Lord arranged for this to happen when I have over 100 morphine pills in my stash which I can use if I need to. (and I did use some for the last week since my prescription was a week late getting to me.) God is so very good to us!
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Post by fearnot on Dec 12, 2018 11:32:27 GMT -5
Question 6.
2 Corinthians 5:17-20
Study the 2 Corinthians passage. What is the message Christ has entrusted to us?
Answer:The ministry of reconciliation.
What does it mean that we have been given the ministry of reconciliation, that we are ambassadors for Christ, and that God makes His appeal through us?
Answer:
We have been given the ministry of letting people know both the bad news and the good news.
The bad news is that people are hopelessly lost, enemies of God, and filled with sin, bound for eternity in Hell.....
but we have been given the good news, that tho we have offended our God, by our obstinate, rebellion, sins....
God has made a way for us, to have our sins removed, so we can be restored and have eternal fellowship with Him.
We tell them, what God has done for them. He has made a way for peace.
Jesus took our sin, paid the price of eternity in Hell for us, and gave us His righteousness.
Thus the relationship has changed from hate, and hostility, to acceptance, friendship and love.
It's not only a responsibility to give this message, but an honor.
An ambassador represents the one who sent him or her. We are to speak as if God were Himself speaking ( and in fact, we have His Words, the Bible, and the power of the Holy Spirit). We are to speak what God would have us speak, not any old thing that we think about or that suits our fancy....we represent the King of Kings ( not ourselves).
We are to explain the terms on which God is willing to be reconciled to men
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Post by fearnot on Dec 12, 2018 11:47:11 GMT -5
That is good news!
I've been moving in that direction also...I almost only take norco
( for some reason, they no longer will prescribe vicodin?).
and so like you I do have a stash....and do occasionally need morphine,
but prob....I think, I could live without it.
I guess, my 'fear' and that is the bad thing....is
I 'fear' FUTURE pain
( getting worse, in the future due to aging etc.), should I live long enough.
However, what I 'fear' , and what will actually happen,
may ( or may not) be,
what ...will ...happen.
And I am sure you notice, I have left God out of it ( well, not really, but my 'faith' is weak concerning this.....I am not a fan of pain.)
I know, pain can actually have benefits, but it still hurts, to the point like you said, its so bad, one can only feel, life is not worth living......
of course, that is not true....but when your world is only pain, it can seem that way....
but again, there is prayer,
and the Lord Himself.
But yeah, I am very close to the same thing!
So imagine that....both of us.
And I too sleep in my recliner ( well, live a good portion of my life in it) ...
But, who knew? LOL
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Post by fearnot on Dec 13, 2018 11:07:31 GMT -5
Question 7. “Put flesh on” The Great Commission by reading the story of Philip (Acts 8) and/or the story of the woman at the well (John 4, especially v. 28-30, 39-42). What catches your eye about the way s/he shared the good news of Jesus?
Answer:
She went to the people of her town immediately and told them about Jesus, she did not wait until she got a degree in religion.
She was completely honest about what Jesus had told her, tho, it most likely was humiliating. And then she challenged them to check Him out for themselves....and they did.
In what way did s/he set a good example for Christians today of sharing the gospel?
Answer:
Don't think you cannot share the gospel, because you do not have a PHD in religious studies. Share what the Lord has done for you. It is not necessary to give all your sins in detail, but on the other hand to say you were a sinner, and God has made you into a new person is honest. Encourage them to seek, read and study the Bible and ask the Lord, for themselves.
What was the effect on the person(s) being shared with?
Answer:
Some of the people believed by the honest testimony of the woman, but then, they were completely convicted when they came to Jesus themselves.
How do these two stories demonstrate that God can use our circumstances, skills, and personalities as tools for sharing the gospel?
Answer:
One does not have to be a holy saint, a genius, a great speaker, God can use and empower anyone He chooses. He can use the skills and personalities of many different types of people.
Phillip was greatly gifted compared to the woman ( sort of like a grade of A for Phillip and a D for the woman). Yet, both of them brought many people to Christ. The Lord loved them both, and equipped them and empowered them both.
Someone who is a great Biblical scholar can be used for those who are first drawn that way, but a person who has lead a rough life, and the Lord changed them ( perhaps they were a thief, a gang member, etc etc.) may have a better rapport and understanding of how to reach others in that life style.
That does not mean, if you have a more scholarly bent, you should not ever talk to a thief etc.
It does not mean you are lacking compassion or insight, because if God leads you to that person, then you are the right person,
and visa versa.....
an ex gang member may be the one perfectly suited to give the gospel to a billionaire genius.
Also you do not have to be in the perfect setting or circumstance. In fact, it might seem a strange setting, that God calls you to speak to someone.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 13, 2018 13:42:43 GMT -5
Question 6.
2 Corinthians 5:17-20
Study the 2 Corinthians passage. What is the message Christ has entrusted to us?
Answer:The ministry of reconciliation.
What does it mean that we have been given the ministry of reconciliation, that we are ambassadors for Christ, and that God makes His appeal through us?
Answer:
We have been given the ministry of letting people know both the bad news and the good news.
The bad news is that people are hopelessly lost, enemies of God, and filled with sin, bound for eternity in Hell.....
but we have been given the good news, that tho we have offended our God, by our obstinate, rebellion, sins....
God has made a way for us, to have our sins removed, so we can be restored and have eternal fellowship with Him.
We tell them, what God has done for them. He has made a way for peace.
Jesus took our sin, paid the price of eternity in Hell for us, and gave us His righteousness.
Thus the relationship has changed from hate, and hostility, to acceptance, friendship and love.
It's not only a responsibility to give this message, but an honor.
An ambassador represents the one who sent him or her. We are to speak as if God were Himself speaking ( and in fact, we have His Words, the Bible, and the power of the Holy Spirit). We are to speak what God would have us speak, not any old thing that we think about or that suits our fancy....we represent the King of Kings ( not ourselves).
We are to explain the terms on which God is willing to be reconciled to men
That is good news!
I've been moving in that direction also...I almost only take norco
( for some reason, they no longer will prescribe vicodin?).
and so like you I do have a stash....and do occasionally need morphine,
but prob....I think, I could live without it.
I guess, my 'fear' and that is the bad thing....is
I 'fear' FUTURE pain
( getting worse, in the future due to aging etc.), should I live long enough.
However, what I 'fear' , and what will actually happen,
may ( or may not) be,
what ...will ...happen.
And I am sure you notice, I have left God out of it ( well, not really, but my 'faith' is weak concerning this.....I am not a fan of pain.)
I know, pain can actually have benefits, but it still hurts, to the point like you said, its so bad, one can only feel, life is not worth living......
of course, that is not true....but when your world is only pain, it can seem that way....
but again, there is prayer,
and the Lord Himself.
But yeah, I am very close to the same thing!
So imagine that....both of us.
And I too sleep in my recliner ( well, live a good portion of my life in it) ...
But, who knew? LOL
As far as being worried about "future pain" goes. You already know what to do about that. First to take that thought captive as soon as you realize it's there and remind yourself that God is in control and that He loves you and will always be with you to help you. Obviously, you can also pray about it and tell the Lord about your fear. He knows about it anyway, but He loves to have us talk to Him about what's bothering us and ask for His help. It helps too to remind yourself of the Lord's promises to us. No, He didn't promise that we wouldn't be in pain, but He does promise to be with us and help us deal with it so that it won't overwhelm us. I like to remember all that Paul went through once he was saved, for he surely must have lived with a great deal of physical pain after all the beatings, floggings, and stonings he went through. Yet, instead of worrying about if there's be another beating he reminds us “For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us. We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.” (2 Corinthians 4:6–9) Then he says: “We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.” (2 Corinthians 4:10) MacArthur says, “Always” indicates that the suffering Paul experienced was endless. He goes on to tell us why he was able to deal with the pain. I'm going to skip the first part which says he knows that his pain (suffering) proves his apostleship as God has used it to change him to be more like Christ. (which is what He does for us too). Then he continues and says “It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak, because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence.” (2 Corinthians 4:13–14) And that's a promise we can hang on to! He continues to tell us how he deals with pain and how we can as well: “Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:16–18)
So those are "go to" verses for me when I'm floundering. I also like to use “Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.” (Philippians 4:5–7)
When I say they're my "go to" verses for times like that, I don't mean that I just read them, although I do read them. Instead I try to soak in them....for lack of a better way to explain it. I want them to permeate every cell of my body, and every corner of my heart and mind. I guess a better way to put it would be to say that I first read it, then I meditate on it, and finally I pray about it, often praying the verses back to the Lord, sometimes with minor changes or additions. Like I might pray, "therefore we don't lose heart", but Lord, sometimes I almost do and I need your help for that right now." and then I continue "though outwardly we're wasting away....etc". Sometimes when doing this, the Lord will inspire me to go to yet another passage in another book, which I'll do too.
Question 7. “Put flesh on” The Great Commission by reading the story of Philip (Acts 8) and/or the story of the woman at the well (John 4, especially v. 28-30, 39-42). What catches your eye about the way s/he shared the good news of Jesus?
Answer:
She went to the people of her town immediately and told them about Jesus, she did not wait until she got a degree in religion.
She was completely honest about what Jesus had told her, tho, it most likely was humiliating. And then she challenged them to check Him out for themselves....and they did.
In what way did s/he set a good example for Christians today of sharing the gospel?
Answer:
Don't think you cannot share the gospel, because you do not have a PHD in religious studies. Share what the Lord has done for you. It is not necessary to give all your sins in detail, but on the other hand to say you were a sinner, and God has made you into a new person is honest. Encourage them to seek, read and study the Bible and ask the Lord, for themselves.
What was the effect on the person(s) being shared with?
Answer:
Some of the people believed by the honest testimony of the woman, but then, they were completely convicted when they came to Jesus themselves.
How do these two stories demonstrate that God can use our circumstances, skills, and personalities as tools for sharing the gospel?
Answer:
One does not have to be a holy saint, a genius, a great speaker, God can use and empower anyone He chooses. He can use the skills and personalities of many different types of people.
Phillip was greatly gifted compared to the woman ( sort of like a grade of A for Phillip and a D for the woman). Yet, both of them brought many people to Christ. The Lord loved them both, and equipped them and empowered them both.
Someone who is a great Biblical scholar can be used for those who are first drawn that way, but a person who has lead a rough life, and the Lord changed them ( perhaps they were a thief, a gang member, etc etc.) may have a better rapport and understanding of how to reach others in that life style.
That does not mean, if you have a more scholarly bent, you should not ever talk to a thief etc.
It does not mean you are lacking compassion or insight, because if God leads you to that person, then you are the right person,
and visa versa.....
an ex gang member may be the one perfectly suited to give the gospel to a billionaire genius.
Also you do not have to be in the perfect setting or circumstance. In fact, it might seem a strange setting, that God calls you to speak to someone.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 13, 2018 14:00:36 GMT -5
Here's the next one.....I had no idea there'd be several more! You can take your time with this one since it's the last one till next year. I may not be able to be here tomorrow as I'll have to do all the chores I'm not doing today as well as that days chores..... I sure wish we women could have a real day off where we didn't have to do anything and wouldn't have to make up for it the next day lol. I'll try to be here, but can't guarantee it.
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 10- Beautiful Daughterhood by Michelle Lesley
Ladies- this will be our last lesson for 2018.
We will pick up with lesson 11 in early January.
Read These Selected Scriptures
Exodus 20:12
Ephesians 6:1-3
Colossians 3:20
John 19:25-27
Proverbs 23:22
1 Timothy 5:3-4
1 Timothy 5:16
Luke 12:51-53
Matthew 10:36-38
Luke 14:26
Matthew 19:29
In lesson 9, we looked at having beautiful feet that take the good news of the gospel to a lost and dying world. Starting with lesson 10, our lessons will be focusing more specifically on God’s unique roles for women, beginning with our role as daughters.
Questions to Consider
1. Before we delve into the Scriptures, take a moment to think about your parents and your role as their daughter. Describe how your relationship functions. Is it loving and healthy, or strained and difficult? Are you a child, adolescent, or adult? Are your parents saved or unsaved? Living or deceased? Present in your life or absent? Caring or abusive? Every relationship is different, so you will need to be careful to wisely apply today’s Scriptures to your relationship with your parents. What can our relationship with our parents teach us about our relationship with God? How does being a godly daughter to your parents reflect being a godly daughter of God?
2. Examine the Exodus, Ephesians, and Colossians passages together. What are the similarities and differences among these verses? What is the main verb in Exodus 20:12? In the Ephesians and Colossians verses? To what group of people are the Ephesians and Colossians verses addressed? The Exodus verse? What is the difference between obeying your parents and honoring your parents? Is there ever an age at which adults no longer have to obey their parents, but continue to honor them? Describe this dynamic with your own parents.
What do these verses say are the consequences of obeying or honoring one’s parents? Be sure to consider the context of what was happening in Israel’s history with regard to the promise attached to Exodus 20:12. How does the Colossians verse best explain the consequences of honoring and obeying one’s parents?
How does God use the parent-child relationship to introduce us to the idea that He is our supreme Father? That we are to honor Him, obey Him, and submit to His authority?
3. Consider how a godly woman might show honor to parents who abused or neglected her. How could she honor them by sharing the gospel with them, praying for them, forgiving them, or blessing them? How can a godly woman honor parents who are deceased or whom she never knew?
4. Examine the John passage. How did Jesus set an example of honoring His mother? Can you think of any other instances from Jesus’ life that show Him honoring His parents? How can you imitate Him with regard to your parents?
5. Consider the Proverbs and 1 Timothy passages together. What do these passages teach us about caring for our parents in their old age? To whom does God reserve the ministry of caring for widows (and, by extension, elderly relatives) in 1 Timothy 5:16? Explain how God has uniquely equipped women to serve their families and their churches this way. Why does God choose to honor women with this special position of ministry instead of men? How can a woman be a daughter to elderly relatives she is caring for even if they are not her parents?
6. Study the Luke and Matthew passages together. Describe how the gospel can cause a rift between a believing daughter/(in-law) and her unsaved parents/(in-law). To Whom are we to give our highest love and loyalty? Why? Explain why Jesus’ remarks in the Matthew and Luke passages do not conflict with the Exodus/Ephesians/Colossians admonitions to honor and obey one’s parents. What are some ways a believing daughter/(in-law) honor her lost parents/(in-law)?
Explain Matthew 19:29 in terms of God blessing Believers with spiritual fathers and mothers, especially when their biological parents are lost. How can we, as godly daughters, honor our spiritual fathers and mothers? How is God a “Father to the fatherless” for those who have unbelieving parents?
7. Summarize, in your own words, a biblical perspective of “daughterhood”. How does obeying, honoring, and submitting to the authority of our parents teach us to obey, honor, and submit to the authority of God? How is being a godly daughter to your parents, those you love like parents, and your spiritual parents, a major component of biblical womanhood?
Homework
Read the book of Ruth and/or Esther, specifically examining their example as daughters. How did Ruth and Esther exemplify godly daughterhood as adults, even though Ruth was Naomi’s daughter-in-law and Esther was Mordecai’s cousin?
Suggested Memory Verse
Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you. Exodus 20:12
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
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Post by fearnot on Dec 14, 2018 11:24:48 GMT -5
I am so sorry you had so much pain the other night.
It's strange, we had a weird mix-up with the pharmacy and my morphine......someone charged it to a wrong insurance!!
sooooo, they would not accept it, so Leonard had to pay more.
but then, they said, well keep the receipt and next month ( this month Dec.) bring it in and we will refund it.
But.....tho they did eventually refund part of it ( first they said they could not, because they can only do it it in a 2 week period, but, they had said....wait a month....arrgghhh
Now, they are saying, the doc has to write and 'either ....or....
either he must say....take one pill a day, or take 1/2
but NOT take one pill or 1/2 as needed.....because the price goes up when he does that
Did I say arrrgghhhh yet?
LOL
So since this is the last lesson for this year, I think what I will do today, is read and study a 'couple' of the verses she listed.
I normally would do all in one day, but today is the last day, I have to try and finish a painting ( so the person can get it by CHRIST-mas)
so I will do more of them tomorrow etc.
And then maybe also write tomorrow about the parent question she asked.....and go from there.
If that seems ok with you?
Plus, I did not sleep much last night....several things besides pain and just not sleeping, but the cat was restless, jumping up and down on me, it was fairly windy out ( not our usual nice wind but the more mean wind.....LOL
I bet you did not know there was nice wind and mean wind huh?
Oh wait....
maybe you do,
you live in New England
soooo you've got wind
I remember it....but Oregon coast can be pretty breezy!!!
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Post by fearnot on Dec 15, 2018 23:35:13 GMT -5
I read and studied some more of the verses.
Leonard is really sick with a cold, and I am scrambling to finish a painting, so it can be sent off either Monday or Tuesday.
so I have not written the answer to 1 st question, yet.
I am looking at question 2 and I can't see the colosians verses?
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Post by fearnot on Dec 16, 2018 11:16:01 GMT -5
Question 1.
Before we delve into the Scriptures, take a moment to think about your parents and your role as their daughter. Describe how your relationship functions. Is it loving and healthy, or strained and difficult?
Answer:
I am not sure how to answer these exactly, as I had several foster parents up to the age of almost 6, and then adopted parents from then on...so I will briefly answer concerning the foster one and mainly speak of my adopted parents, and maybe also mention my biological ones also.
Are you a child, adolescent, or adult?
Answer:
Adult
Are your parents saved or unsaved?
Answer:
My bio mom maybe was....
all the rest, I am not sure.
Perhaps, my adopted parents were, but if so, it was not from going to church, etc. tho they seemed in many ways ( not all) to lead a kind of godly life.
They only took me to church perhaps the
first year I lived there.
They did not continue, nor as far as I know, did they read the bible
(except my mom near the end of her life, may have. Also, my dad had a Bible signed by a pastor to him...which I found after they both had died....not sure what that meant tho)
Living or deceased?
Answer:
all deceased
Present in your life or absent?
Answer:
When alive they were present until college, ( not seeing them hardly, was my rebellion tho, not them)
and then when I was married, and dad had died, mom came several times to Hawaii for visits.
Caring or abusive?
Answer:
caring
Every relationship is different, so you will need to be careful to wisely apply today’s Scriptures to your relationship with your parents. What can our relationship with our parents teach us about our relationship with God?
Answer:
Tho I became extremely rebellious, and it hurt them very much ( to the point at one time they needed to distance themselves greatly, they still loved me.
That is very much like with God, He still loved me, but if He had not drawn me back, He too would have had to distance Himself forever.
However, my rebellion, also cost me, because I mourned the hurt and pain I needlessly caused them ( not to mention it's effects on me), and that also is like my relationship with God. Tho I cannot, change what happened with my parents, with God's help, I have changed ( and continue to grow) with the Lord.
How does being a godly daughter to your parents reflect being a godly daughter of God?
Answer:
Well since I was not...this question is a bit hard to answer.
God did tell us to honor our parents and it would go well with us ( not necessarily meaning 'well', like rich, or healthy etc. but peace with parents, reflects peace with God, and joy ( not necessarily happiness) etc.
I think being obedient to parents as a godly daughter, would reflect on a more easy transition to being a godly daughter since the obedient loving learning curve would not be so big.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 17, 2018 14:36:30 GMT -5
I can't believe it...I spent about 3 hours on Question 2
I had open FH in 2 windows, because,( I can't even remember because I so am bummed) so when I hit reply....it said it was invalid....no doubt because of 2 windows opened to the same site and page.....so I just lost a couple of hours so I doubt I can reconstruct it all.
I will do what I can...... I will re-do the first couple of questions today,
and
tomorrow finish up
so don't think what is posted now is completed
I will come back tomorrow and EDIT
and finish.
I am still bummed,
but
I realize that tho I prob cannot reconstruct all I wrote
and was more or less happy with...
so I am bummed if I forget a lot of it...that I thought was pretty good, what I wanted to say, but most likely won't remember but 1/2
or at most 3/4 ......
But.................
The 'good' thing is I am studying it even more ( the verses etc.)
It took me 1/2 to realize there could be a 'good' part.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 17, 2018 15:02:06 GMT -5
2. Examine the Exodus, Ephesians, and Colossians passages together. What are the similarities and differences among these verses?
Answer:
In the Exodus, Ephesians, and Colossians passages the main idea they hold similar is to
obey and/or honor their parents.
Differences:
Exodus: has "that your days may be long
in the land that the Lord your God "
Ephesians:
"(this is the first commandment with a promise),
“that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.
Colossians:
"for this pleases the Lord"
What is the main verb in Exodus 20:12?
In the Ephesians and Colossians verses?
Answer:
Exodus: honor
Ephesians and Colossians: obey
To what group of people are the Ephesians and Colossians verses addressed? The Exodus verse?
Answer:
Ephesians and Colossians:
To New Testament Believers
Exodus:
To Old Testament Jews
What is the difference between obeying your parents and honoring your parents?
Answer:
Obeying: usually involves physically doing what you are asked to do ( or not to physically do it)
Honor: has more to do with one's attitude of esteem. It is often obeying with respect, and valuing the person (parents). So it can be both physical obedience, combined with the right thoughts and emotions.
Is there ever an age at which adults no longer have to obey their parents, but continue to honor them? Describe this dynamic with your own parents.
Answer:
Since this is a woman's study, I will answer with that aim. When a woman becomes an adult, and either gets married or gets a place of her own, she no longer has to obey her parents ( for the most part, their could be exceptions, and she may certainly choose to, in some or even many cases).
But the respect , honor and love ought to always continue.
My parents and no longer alive.
But when I was a child, I was basically obedient, but as a teenager, I became more and more rebellious and disrespectful.
When I got married and had children
( my adopted dad died before seeing our first child),
I once again became more respectful of my mother, but never ever to the degree,
I should have
( but I had not really come back to the Lord .....
until...
the last time she came to visit, those visits were ok, but still in my heart I grumbled to myself waaay more than I should have....meaning I should not have!!!)
and
at that point
I was only the most basic of baby Christians. Still, I was a wee bit more respectful and loving....having my own children helped, too.
What do these verses say are the consequences of obeying or honoring one’s parents?
Be sure to consider the context of what was happening in Israel’s history with regard to the promise attached to Exodus 20:12.
Answer:Exodus 20:12
"that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you"
Ephesians 6:1-3
(this is the first commandment with a promise), 3 “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land
Colossians 3:20
for this pleases the Lord
In the Exodus verse, God was about to lead Israel out of Egypt, to the promised land....but part of that entailed, the 10 commandments, of which this verse was one of them.
How does the Colossians verse best explain the consequences of honoring and obeying one’s parents?
Answer:
It please God
How does God use the parent-child relationship to introduce us to the idea that He is our supreme Father? That we are to honor Him, obey Him, and submit to His authority?
Answer:
This is the one I spent the most time and thought on...before I lost it
I know, I cannot remember all I wrote sooooo
A good parent, provides, protects, educates, loves etc. their child. They want their child to have skills, morals etc. to become a godly, caring, hard working adult etc.
So they need to child to obey in order to learn, as they grow.
And there are times when the parent cannot even explain the reason for demanding 'instant 'obedience ....
like a car is about to hit the child, so the father or mother expect, immediate compliance when they yell...come here NOW!!!
A parent is a symbol of God to the child.
God as our Father, loves us ( way more than any parent ever could),
provides, etc.
However, since God knows everything, some lessons, which may hurt ( in some cases might end in our death even) still need to be obeyed and God must be honored above all!!
We do not see the end from the beginning ( no more than a small child understands the complete results of being hit by a vehicle as the parent does tho, for example).
God, however, has our eternity in view, as well, as our life now.
As a child trusts his or her parents, to have their best interests at heart, even more so, does God ( tho like a child, we may not really think so, at times).....but ours is to trust and obey....period.
Yup, I can't remember everything. sigh!
I will just look forward to what you have to say LOL
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Post by Cindy on Dec 18, 2018 11:49:35 GMT -5
Sorry, I've been really sick and explained on Sunday in Chat and update it today.I read and studied some more of the verses.
Leonard is really sick with a cold, and I am scrambling to finish a painting, so it can be sent off either Monday or Tuesday.
so I have not written the answer to 1 st question, yet.
I am looking at question 2 and I can't see the colosians verses?
Question 1.
Before we delve into the Scriptures, take a moment to think about your parents and your role as their daughter. Describe how your relationship functions. Is it loving and healthy, or strained and difficult?
Answer:
I am not sure how to answer these exactly, as I had several foster parents up to the age of almost 6, and then adopted parents from then on...so I will briefly answer concerning the foster one and mainly speak of my adopted parents, and maybe also mention my biological ones also.
Are you a child, adolescent, or adult?
Answer:
Adult
Are your parents saved or unsaved?
Answer:
My bio mom maybe was....
all the rest, I am not sure.
Perhaps, my adopted parents were, but if so, it was not from going to church, etc. tho they seemed in many ways ( not all) to lead a kind of godly life.
They only took me to church perhaps the
first year I lived there.
They did not continue, nor as far as I know, did they read the bible
(except my mom near the end of her life, may have. Also, my dad had a Bible signed by a pastor to him...which I found after they both had died....not sure what that meant tho)
Living or deceased?
Answer:
all deceased
Present in your life or absent?
Answer:
When alive they were present until college, ( not seeing them hardly, was my rebellion tho, not them)
and then when I was married, and dad had died, mom came several times to Hawaii for visits.
Caring or abusive?
Answer:
caring
Every relationship is different, so you will need to be careful to wisely apply today’s Scriptures to your relationship with your parents. What can our relationship with our parents teach us about our relationship with God?
Answer:
Tho I became extremely rebellious, and it hurt them very much ( to the point at one time they needed to distance themselves greatly, they still loved me.
That is very much like with God, He still loved me, but if He had not drawn me back, He too would have had to distance Himself forever.
However, my rebellion, also cost me, because I mourned the hurt and pain I needlessly caused them ( not to mention it's effects on me), and that also is like my relationship with God. Tho I cannot, change what happened with my parents, with God's help, I have changed ( and continue to grow) with the Lord.
How does being a godly daughter to your parents reflect being a godly daughter of God?
Answer:
Well since I was not...this question is a bit hard to answer.
God did tell us to honor our parents and it would go well with us ( not necessarily meaning 'well', like rich, or healthy etc. but peace with parents, reflects peace with God, and joy ( not necessarily happiness) etc.
I think being obedient to parents as a godly daughter, would reflect on a more easy transition to being a godly daughter since the obedient loving learning curve would not be so big.
I can't believe it...I spent about 3 hours on Question 2
I had open FH in 2 windows, because,( I can't even remember because I so am bummed) so when I hit reply....it said it was invalid....no doubt because of 2 windows opened to the same site and page.....so I just lost a couple of hours so I doubt I can reconstruct it all.
I will do what I can...... I will re-do the first couple of questions today,
and
tomorrow finish up
so don't think what is posted now is completed
I will come back tomorrow and EDIT
and finish.
I am still bummed,
but
I realize that tho I prob cannot reconstruct all I wrote
and was more or less happy with...
so I am bummed if I forget a lot of it...that I thought was pretty good, what I wanted to say, but most likely won't remember but 1/2
or at most 3/4 ......
But.................
The 'good' thing is I am studying it even more ( the verses etc.)
It took me 1/2 to realize there could be a 'good' part.
2. Examine the Exodus, Ephesians, and Colossians passages together. What are the similarities and differences among these verses?
Answer:
In the Exodus, Ephesians, and Colossians passages the main idea they hold similar is to
obey and/or honor their parents.
Differences:
Exodus: has "that your days may be long
in the land that the Lord your God "
Ephesians:
"(this is the first commandment with a promise),
“that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.
Colossians:
"for this pleases the Lord"
What is the main verb in Exodus 20:12?
In the Ephesians and Colossians verses?
Answer:
Exodus: honor
Ephesians and Colossians: obey
To what group of people are the Ephesians and Colossians verses addressed? The Exodus verse?
Answer:
Ephesians and Colossians:
To New Testament Believers
Exodus:
To Old Testament Jews
What is the difference between obeying your parents and honoring your parents?
Answer:
Is there ever an age at which adults no longer have to obey their parents, but continue to honor them? Describe this dynamic with your own parents.
Answer:
What do these verses say are the consequences of obeying or honoring one’s parents?
Be sure to consider the context of what was happening in Israel’s history with regard to the promise attached to Exodus 20:12.
Answer:
How does the Colossians verse best explain the consequences of honoring and obeying one’s parents?
How does God use the parent-child relationship to introduce us to the idea that He is our supreme Father? That we are to honor Him, obey Him, and submit to His authority?
Answer:
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Post by fearnot on Dec 18, 2018 15:02:54 GMT -5
2.
Examine the Exodus, Ephesians, and Colossians passages together. What are the similarities and differences among these verses?
Answer:
In the Exodus, Ephesians, and Colossians passages the main idea they hold similar is to
obey and/or honor their parents.
Differences:
Exodus: has "that your days may be long
in the land that the Lord your God "
Ephesians:
"(this is the first commandment with a promise),
“that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.
Colossians:
"for this pleases the Lord"
What is the main verb in Exodus 20:12?
In the Ephesians and Colossians verses?
Answer:
Exodus: honor
Ephesians and Colossians: obey
To what group of people are the Ephesians and Colossians verses addressed? The Exodus verse?
Answer:
Ephesians and Colossians:
To New Testament Believers
Exodus:
To Old Testament Jews
What is the difference between obeying your parents and honoring your parents?
Answer:
Obeying: usually involves physically doing what you are asked to do ( or not to physically do it)
Honor: has more to do with one's attitude of esteem. It is often obeying with respect, and valuing the person (parents). So it can be both physical obedience, combined with the right thoughts and emotions.
Is there ever an age at which adults no longer have to obey their parents, but continue to honor them? Describe this dynamic with your own parents.
Answer:
Since this is a woman's study, I will answer with that aim. When a woman becomes an adult, and either gets married or gets a place of her own, she no longer has to obey her parents ( for the most part, their could be exceptions, and she may certainly choose to, in some or even many cases).
But the respect , honor and love ought to always continue.
My parents and no longer alive.
But when I was a child, I was basically obedient, but as a teenager, I became more and more rebellious and disrespectful.
When I got married and had children
( my adopted dad died before seeing our first child),
I once again became more respectful of my mother, but never ever to the degree,
I should have
( but I had not really come back to the Lord .....
until...
the last time she came to visit, those visits were ok, but still in my heart I grumbled to myself waaay more than I should have....meaning I should not have!!!)
and
at that point
I was only the most basic of baby Christians. Still, I was a wee bit more respectful and loving....having my own children helped, too.
What do these verses say are the consequences of obeying or honoring one’s parents?
Be sure to consider the context of what was happening in Israel’s history with regard to the promise attached to Exodus 20:12.
Answer:Exodus 20:12
"that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you"
Ephesians 6:1-3
(this is the first commandment with a promise), 3 “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land
Colossians 3:20
for this pleases the Lord
In the Exodus verse, God was about to lead Israel out of Egypt, to the promised land....but part of that entailed, the 10 commandments, of which this verse was one of them.
How does the Colossians verse best explain the consequences of honoring and obeying one’s parents?
Answer:
It pleases God
How does God use the parent-child relationship to introduce us to the idea that He is our supreme Father? That we are to honor Him, obey Him, and submit to His authority?
Answer:
This is the one I spent the most time and thought on...before I lost it
I know, I cannot remember all I wrote sooooo
A good parent, provides, protects, educates, loves etc. their child. They want their child to have skills, morals etc. to become a godly, caring, hard working adult etc.
So they need to child to obey in order to learn, as they grow.
And there are times when the parent cannot even explain the reason for demanding 'instant 'obedience ....
like a car is about to hit the child, so the father or mother expect, immediate compliance when they yell...come here NOW!!!
A parent is a symbol of God to the child.
God as our Father, loves us ( way more than any parent ever could),
provides, etc.
However, since God knows everything, some lessons, which may hurt ( in some cases might end in our death even) still need to be obeyed and God must be honored above all!!
We do not see the end from the beginning ( no more than a small child understands the complete results of being hit by a vehicle as the parent does tho, for example).
God, however, has our eternity in view, as well, as our life now.
As a child trusts his or her parents, to have their best interests at heart, even more so, does God ( tho like a child, we may not really think so, at times).....but ours is to trust and obey....period.
Yup, I can't remember everything. sigh!
I will just look forward to what you have to say LOL
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Post by Cindy on Dec 19, 2018 11:58:52 GMT -5
2.
Examine the Exodus, Ephesians, and Colossians passages together. What are the similarities and differences among these verses?
Answer:
In the Exodus, Ephesians, and Colossians passages the main idea they hold similar is to
obey and/or honor their parents.
Differences:
Exodus: has "that your days may be long
in the land that the Lord your God "
Ephesians:
"(this is the first commandment with a promise),
“that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.
Colossians:
"for this pleases the Lord"
What is the main verb in Exodus 20:12?
In the Ephesians and Colossians verses?
Answer:
Exodus: honor
Ephesians and Colossians: obey
To what group of people are the Ephesians and Colossians verses addressed? The Exodus verse?
Answer:
Ephesians and Colossians:
To New Testament Believers
Exodus:
To Old Testament Jews
What is the difference between obeying your parents and honoring your parents?
Answer:
Obeying: usually involves physically doing what you are asked to do ( or not to physically do it)
Honor: has more to do with one's attitude of esteem. It is often obeying with respect, and valuing the person (parents). So it can be both physical obedience, combined with the right thoughts and emotions.
Is there ever an age at which adults no longer have to obey their parents, but continue to honor them? Describe this dynamic with your own parents.
Answer:
Since this is a woman's study, I will answer with that aim. When a woman becomes an adult, and either gets married or gets a place of her own, she no longer has to obey her parents ( for the most part, their could be exceptions, and she may certainly choose to, in some or even many cases).
But the respect , honor and love ought to always continue.
My parents and no longer alive.
But when I was a child, I was basically obedient, but as a teenager, I became more and more rebellious and disrespectful.
When I got married and had children
( my adopted dad died before seeing our first child),
I once again became more respectful of my mother, but never ever to the degree,
I should have
( but I had not really come back to the Lord .....
until...
the last time she came to visit, those visits were ok, but still in my heart I grumbled to myself waaay more than I should have....meaning I should not have!!!)
and
at that point
I was only the most basic of baby Christians. Still, I was a wee bit more respectful and loving....having my own children helped, too.
What do these verses say are the consequences of obeying or honoring one’s parents?
Be sure to consider the context of what was happening in Israel’s history with regard to the promise attached to Exodus 20:12.
Answer:Exodus 20:12
"that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you"
Ephesians 6:1-3
(this is the first commandment with a promise), 3 “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land
Colossians 3:20
for this pleases the Lord
In the Exodus verse, God was about to lead Israel out of Egypt, to the promised land....but part of that entailed, the 10 commandments, of which this verse was one of them.
How does the Colossians verse best explain the consequences of honoring and obeying one’s parents?
Answer:
It pleases God
How does God use the parent-child relationship to introduce us to the idea that He is our supreme Father? That we are to honor Him, obey Him, and submit to His authority?
Answer:
This is the one I spent the most time and thought on...before I lost it
I know, I cannot remember all I wrote sooooo
A good parent, provides, protects, educates, loves etc. their child. They want their child to have skills, morals etc. to become a godly, caring, hard working adult etc.
So they need to child to obey in order to learn, as they grow.
And there are times when the parent cannot even explain the reason for demanding 'instant 'obedience ....
like a car is about to hit the child, so the father or mother expect, immediate compliance when they yell...come here NOW!!!
A parent is a symbol of God to the child.
God as our Father, loves us ( way more than any parent ever could),
provides, etc.
However, since God knows everything, some lessons, which may hurt ( in some cases might end in our death even) still need to be obeyed and God must be honored above all!!
We do not see the end from the beginning ( no more than a small child understands the complete results of being hit by a vehicle as the parent does tho, for example).
God, however, has our eternity in view, as well, as our life now.
As a child trusts his or her parents, to have their best interests at heart, even more so, does God ( tho like a child, we may not really think so, at times).....but ours is to trust and obey....period.
Yup, I can't remember everything. sigh!
I will just look forward to what you have to say LOL
The only thing I'd add is the part of the promise about living long in the land....for us, the "land" is really New Jerusalem or "Heaven" but is also our life here. “Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— “that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”” (Ephesians 6:1–3)
Basically God is saying, obey them, and you'll live longer here and live forever with me. Of course, obeying our parents isn't the only thing we have to do, but this was being written to people who were already saved, and to their children, so they were aware of that. Then in Col. he further explains that it pleases the Lord when we obey our parents. I think too that part of obeying our parents making us live longer here is simply because we're obeying our parents and less likely to get hurt that way, but part is also due to God's promise to us.
Keep up the good work!
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Post by fearnot on Dec 19, 2018 12:14:58 GMT -5
Question 3.
Consider how a godly woman might show honor to parents who abused or neglected her. How could she honor them by sharing the gospel with them, praying for them, forgiving them, or blessing them?
Answer:
To have been severely abused or neglected causes a lot of pain and anger, nevertheless we must cultivate ( with God's help) a forgiving spirit.
In a way, I guess, I sort of fit in this category because I have never seen my bio father ( I always wanted to just see a photo of what he looked like). Plus, as you know, I had a foster parent try to kill me.
However, be that as it may, God's word says in:
1 Peter 3:9
"Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, bless, for to this you were called, that you may obtain a blessing"
To hang onto the pain and anger, is essentially repaying evil for evil.
Perhaps ( like in my case, I could not share the gospel with them),
I can forgive them,
and pray that God was able to bring someone, or some incident into their lives, or even an angel in order to bless and save them.
Further, I can think of the good things about them. Like I know my bio dad was a musician, my bio mom told me, he was very handsome LOL, and his grandmother was a red hair Scottish Beauty Queen ( so now I know where our children's red hair came from). I also pray my bio dad, became a believer in Jesus and was saved, I would like to met him in heaven.
And the foster parent....the man and his wife took me in, and he stopped when he realized what he was intending to do ( that was a good thing), and he sent me away, so he would not be tempted to finish what his angry and hurting heart wanted....I do pray God saved both he and his wife and their children.
How can a godly woman honor parents who are deceased or whom she never knew?
Answer:
I pretty much touched on this in the question above.
I can and have prayed for him. I told my children and grandchildren those few things I do know about him
( and ignore the bad...)
tho I have unfortunately in the past, used him as an example, of why being a professional musician, can be harmful, to the person and those around them.
The same goes with the foster parent
So this is a wake up call for me, to talk to the family ( one on one) and tell them, that I have forgiven both and prayed for them.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 20, 2018 13:12:05 GMT -5
Question 4.
Examine the John passage.
How did Jesus set an example of honoring His mother?
Answer:
Tho is the absolute maximum pain and torment, both physically and spiritually (paying for eternity in Hell for billions upon billions of humans) ,
instead of being tuned into Himself and His suffering,
he was thinking of His mother's, emotional state, her present situation and needs for the future. So He provided for her thru John.
Can you think of any other instances from Jesus’ life that show Him honoring His parents?
Answer:
At the wedding at Cana, Mary asked Jesus to help because the wine was gone, and He created wine from just water.
How can you imitate Him with regard to your parents?
Answer:
Again since all my parents (bio and adopted) have died....
I can speak well of them.
I have now gotten Leonard's cold, so I am a little under the weather...sorry.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 21, 2018 13:28:14 GMT -5
Question 5.
Consider the Proverbs and 1 Timothy passages together. What do these passages teach us about caring for our parents in their old age?
Answer:
Parents, in general, sacrificed, (for multiple years), for their children. However, they also devoted a great amount of time and effort in teaching their children, and in loving them.
It is not too much to ask, that when the parents are old and feeble, their children, reverse the roles and now take care of them, in the same way ( assuming they are in need of such care)...especially widows, who have lost their husbands.
It is to my way of thinking, super important to work on not seeing it as a huge burden, but a privilege and joy.
What is a sad reality, is there are people who will devote a great deal of time, money and effort, into foreign ministries ( which is not wrong, and can be wonderful)
but....
Some of these people neglect, a ministry that is the closest to them...their parents!!
Just as many parents having a savings account for their children's college fund, they might consider doing the same for their parents.
Some parents ( widows especially) may need help with rent, utilities, food, clothing, medicine, even cell phone, internet, etc. costs. Also things like, warm blankets, help with their pets and so on.
To whom does God reserve the ministry of caring for widows (and, by extension, elderly relatives) in 1 Timothy 5:16?
Answer:
Family first (children or close relatives), and if they have no one, the church.
Explain how God has uniquely equipped women to serve their families and their churches this way. Why does God choose to honor women with this special position of ministry instead of men?
Answer:
Woman are uniquely equipped to be caretakers and nurturers , of babies and children, but also of the elderly. Men in general, are more equipped with doing things like, protecting and providing.
Woman already have a lot of practice, in caring for those not so able to care for themselves, they are good at cooking, cleaning, listening, etc etc.
How can a woman be a daughter to elderly relatives she is caring for even if they are not her parents?
Answer:
Loving is not limited to biological parents, siblings, etc. etc.
Since God is love, He has put His love in us. We can love them and care for them, just the same way, as if they were our biological parents.
We can be interested in their lives, their concerns, enjoy being with them.
We can care and provide for their needs, we can perhaps clean their home, do laundry, etc., cook for them etc.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 22, 2018 10:49:08 GMT -5
Question 3.
Consider how a godly woman might show honor to parents who abused or neglected her. How could she honor them by sharing the gospel with them, praying for them, forgiving them, or blessing them?
Answer:
To have been severely abused or neglected causes a lot of pain and anger, nevertheless we must cultivate ( with God's help) a forgiving spirit.
In a way, I guess, I sort of fit in this category because I have never seen my bio father ( I always wanted to just see a photo of what he looked like). Plus, as you know, I had a foster parent try to kill me.
However, be that as it may, God's word says in:
1 Peter 3:9
"Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, bless, for to this you were called, that you may obtain a blessing"
To hang onto the pain and anger, is essentially repaying evil for evil.
Perhaps ( like in my case, I could not share the gospel with them),
I can forgive them,
and pray that God was able to bring someone, or some incident into their lives, or even an angel in order to bless and save them.
Further, I can think of the good things about them. Like I know my bio dad was a musician, my bio mom told me, he was very handsome LOL, and his grandmother was a red hair Scottish Beauty Queen ( so now I know where our children's red hair came from). I also pray my bio dad, became a believer in Jesus and was saved, I would like to met him in heaven.
And the foster parent....the man and his wife took me in, and he stopped when he realized what he was intending to do ( that was a good thing), and he sent me away, so he would not be tempted to finish what his angry and hurting heart wanted....I do pray God saved both he and his wife and their children.
How can a godly woman honor parents who are deceased or whom she never knew?
Answer:
I pretty much touched on this in the question above.
I can and have prayed for him. I told my children and grandchildren those few things I do know about him
( and ignore the bad...)
tho I have unfortunately in the past, used him as an example, of why being a professional musician, can be harmful, to the person and those around them.
The same goes with the foster parent
So this is a wake up call for me, to talk to the family ( one on one) and tell them, that I have forgiven both and prayed for them.
So when she could have had a wonderful life full of love and blessing, instead she's the picture of a very cold and lonely person. And she still doesn't understand why or recognize her sins, and even thinks she's saved. Even when she tries to do something good for someone else, it turns out bad, because she can't love like God does, and doesn't trust anyone. She's become an entirely different person than she used to be. The words people use to describe her are things like "cold," "distant", and "bully". It's heart breaking, especially because I know that deep down she's none of those things. Instead she's a hurting little child that's scared and lonely. It reminds me of what Jesus said when He was coming into Jerusalem that last time, because I long to just hold her, hug her and make her feel better, but she's not willing.... (Matthew 23:37) It's also a vivid picture of what Paul told us about our enemies not being flesh and blood but Satan and his demons. (Ephes 6:12).
But you've come such a very long way now. I remember years ago when it seemed like you couldn't talk about any subject or person without bringing up how something terrible happened to you. It seemed like it was all you thought about and therefore was all you could talk about. But now, we have many long conversations and you rarely mention anything about your past unless it's something good, or a realization you've recently had, or of course if you're asked to do so like in today's stuff. But now, you don't seem to see those "bad" things in the same way you used to. There's something different about how you write about them. Not just that you acknowledge that God was with you and helped you, but it seems like they don't have the same hold over you any longer.... Do you think that's true? To me it seems as though you now see the people and events in your past in a somewhat different way.... Maybe even as though it wasn't quite as horrible as you used to think it was.... I'm not sure I can put my finger on it though. But whatever it is, I'm glad!
It's truly amazing what happens when we slowly but surely extricate ourselves from the lies we've believed in and about our past, which colors our present. I hope someday the woman I told you about will come to really know Jesus and truly be set free too. I just know our Lord must get a huge grin on His face when He's looking at you!
Question 4.
Examine the John passage.
How did Jesus set an example of honoring His mother?
Answer:
Tho is the absolute maximum pain and torment, both physically and spiritually (paying for eternity in Hell for billions upon billions of humans) ,
instead of being tuned into Himself and His suffering,
he was thinking of His mother's, emotional state, her present situation and needs for the future. So He provided for her thru John.
Can you think of any other instances from Jesus’ life that show Him honoring His parents?
Answer:
At the wedding at Cana, Mary asked Jesus to help because the wine was gone, and He created wine from just water.
How can you imitate Him with regard to your parents?
Answer:
Again since all my parents (bio and adopted) have died....
I can speak well of them.
I have now gotten Leonard's cold, so I am a little under the weather...sorry.
Another time that's misunderstood is in Luke 2:48–50 when He was 12. He didn't disobey His parents then. When He got separated from them, He went to the most obvious place where He would be safe and they could find Him - the Temple courts, and stayed and talked to the teachers there. As exasperated as Mary was when they found Him, He was loving and kind, and obeyed them right away, showing them both honor.
I'm sorry you're not feeling well hon. I'm still sick too, but we'll get through it eventually!
Question 5.
Consider the Proverbs and 1 Timothy passages together. What do these passages teach us about caring for our parents in their old age?
Answer:
Parents, in general, sacrificed, (for multiple years), for their children. However, they also devoted a great amount of time and effort in teaching their children, and in loving them.
It is not too much to ask, that when the parents are old and feeble, their children, reverse the roles and now take care of them, in the same way ( assuming they are in need of such care)...especially widows, who have lost their husbands.
It is to my way of thinking, super important to work on not seeing it as a huge burden, but a privilege and joy.
What is a sad reality, is there are people who will devote a great deal of time, money and effort, into foreign ministries ( which is not wrong, and can be wonderful)
but....
Some of these people neglect, a ministry that is the closest to them...their parents!!
Just as many parents having a savings account for their children's college fund, they might consider doing the same for their parents.
Some parents ( widows especially) may need help with rent, utilities, food, clothing, medicine, even cell phone, internet, etc. costs. Also things like, warm blankets, help with their pets and so on.
To whom does God reserve the ministry of caring for widows (and, by extension, elderly relatives) in 1 Timothy 5:16?
Answer:
Family first (children or close relatives), and if they have no one, the church.
Explain how God has uniquely equipped women to serve their families and their churches this way. Why does God choose to honor women with this special position of ministry instead of men?
Answer:
Woman are uniquely equipped to be caretakers and nurturers , of babies and children, but also of the elderly. Men in general, are more equipped with doing things like, protecting and providing.
Woman already have a lot of practice, in caring for those not so able to care for themselves, they are good at cooking, cleaning, listening, etc etc.
How can a woman be a daughter to elderly relatives she is caring for even if they are not her parents?
Answer:
Loving is not limited to biological parents, siblings, etc. etc.
Since God is love, He has put His love in us. We can love them and care for them, just the same way, as if they were our biological parents.
We can be interested in their lives, their concerns, enjoy being with them.
We can care and provide for their needs, we can perhaps clean their home, do laundry, etc., cook for them etc.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 22, 2018 12:05:20 GMT -5
No, I never saved for my parents either.....no being a good saver.
However, they were indeed great savers, so they did not really need it....but there are no doubt parents that do.
Today, I am a little better...I think....haven't been up that long, so its hard to know for sure.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 22, 2018 14:44:58 GMT -5
question 6. Study the Luke and Matthew passages together. Describe how the gospel can cause a rift between a believing daughter/(in-law) and her unsaved parents/(in-law).
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People can so hate the gospel, and Jesus, they will hate those, even of their own family, that believes in Him. They may tell the believer they must choose between them.
A mother's love for her children is intense, but love for our Lord, is to be held higher. We cannot esteem any human above God. However, and unbeliever finds that an intolerable idea, and thus a rift.
To Whom are we to give our highest love and loyalty? Why?
Answer: To God
Explain why Jesus’ remarks in the Matthew and Luke passages do not conflict with the Exodus/Ephesians/Colossians admonitions to honor and obey one’s parents.
Answer:
God does not say we not to honor or obey our parents, but we are to give Him the highest priority and love....otherwise we are choosing the world over Him.
What are some ways a believing daughter/(in-law) honor her lost parents/(in-law)?
Answer:
Continue to obey them ( if living at home) in everything, unless, they ask you to give up your love and obedience for God (this is the one thing you cannot do, and if they demand you sin in some way, you cannot do that).
Continue to show love to them.
Pray for them.
Explain Matthew 19:29 in terms of God blessing Believers with spiritual fathers and mothers, especially when their biological parents are lost. How can we, as godly daughters, honor our spiritual fathers and mothers?
Answer:
If ones biological parents turn their backs on their believing children, the believer gains many believing spiritual believing mother and fathers. This is not to say you count the number ( and if you only get 99...then this is false....
rather even if it were only one....the 'value' would be that much to you.
And we can honor these new 'parents', by treating them and loving, much in the same way we would our biological parents.
We can help them in any way we can. We can pray for them.
How is God a “Father to the fatherless” for those who have unbelieving parents?
Answer:
God loves and values them, to the point that Jesus died and paid for all their sins.
When they are scared, worried, confused etc. they can talk to Him ( in prayer).
And if they are disobedient, then, He will discipline as a good Father ought to.
Also God as a Father is faithful, He will never leave the believing son or daughter.
God as a Father knows exactly what you need.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 23, 2018 9:53:29 GMT -5
No, I never saved for my parents either.....no being a good saver.
However, they were indeed great savers, so they did not really need it....but there are no doubt parents that do.
Today, I am a little better...I think....haven't been up that long, so its hard to know for sure.
question 6. Study the Luke and Matthew passages together. Describe how the gospel can cause a rift between a believing daughter/(in-law) and her unsaved parents/(in-law).
Answer:
People can so hate the gospel, and Jesus, they will hate those, even of their own family, that believes in Him. They may tell the believer they must choose between them.
A mother's love for her children is intense, but love for our Lord, is to be held higher. We cannot esteem any human above God. However, and unbeliever finds that an intolerable idea, and thus a rift.
To Whom are we to give our highest love and loyalty? Why?
Answer: To God
Explain why Jesus’ remarks in the Matthew and Luke passages do not conflict with the Exodus/Ephesians/Colossians admonitions to honor and obey one’s parents.
Answer:
God does not say we not to honor or obey our parents, but we are to give Him the highest priority and love....otherwise we are choosing the world over Him.
What are some ways a believing daughter/(in-law) honor her lost parents/(in-law)?
Answer:
Continue to obey them ( if living at home) in everything, unless, they ask you to give up your love and obedience for God (this is the one thing you cannot do, and if they demand you sin in some way, you cannot do that).
Continue to show love to them.
Pray for them.
Explain Matthew 19:29 in terms of God blessing Believers with spiritual fathers and mothers, especially when their biological parents are lost. How can we, as godly daughters, honor our spiritual fathers and mothers?
Answer:
If ones biological parents turn their backs on their believing children, the believer gains many believing spiritual believing mother and fathers. This is not to say you count the number ( and if you only get 99...then this is false....
rather even if it were only one....the 'value' would be that much to you.
And we can honor these new 'parents', by treating them and loving, much in the same way we would our biological parents.
We can help them in any way we can. We can pray for them.
How is God a “Father to the fatherless” for those who have unbelieving parents?
Answer:
God loves and values them, to the point that Jesus died and paid for all their sins.
When they are scared, worried, confused etc. they can talk to Him ( in prayer).
And if they are disobedient, then, He will discipline as a good Father ought to.
Also God as a Father is faithful, He will never leave the believing son or daughter.
God as a Father knows exactly what you need.
Hope you're feeling better!
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Post by fearnot on Dec 23, 2018 14:34:03 GMT -5
Question 7.
Summarize, in your own words, a biblical perspective of “daughterhood”.
Answer:
A daughter is called to obey and respect ( and love) her parents as a child, as an adult she is more called to honor and care for them.
Sometimes in our modern world with so much divorce this can become very tricky, and the medical and government can also confuse things from time to time.
A daughter may have to wade thru several marriages her parents have had, and prioritize who she is to honor and help, starting with her biological parents. Of course if she is adopted, but yet contact has been made with her biological parents, who she can help in a financial way, may have to be established.
Perhaps, one set is better off materially, but not emotionally, or spiritually and so on.
She can pray for her parents at any age and be as much of a help as possible.
She can give praise to those good things about them and not grumble, gossip or whine about the 'bad'.
A daughter can live a lifestyle that honors her parents and does not disgrace them.
She can forgive them and love them.
A daughter can honor her parents most by loving, honoring and obeying God.
How does obeying, honoring, and submitting to the authority of our parents teach us to obey, honor, and submit to the authority of God?
Answer:
When children obey and honor and submit to their parents ( in most cases) they are beginning to obey, submit and honor God, in that they don't steal, lie, murder, etc.
The parent is a symbol of God, pointing to God the Father.
Learning to be obedient and submit to parental authority, makes it easier to do the same with God....otherwise, it a very very steep learning curve ( and many are so rebellious they refuse)!!
How is being a godly daughter to your parents, those you love like parents, and your spiritual parents, a major component of biblical womanhood?
Answer:
Why do I have problems sometimes understanding some of her questions? arrgghh
Well, Not to be a godly daughter, of course, would NOT be a major component of biblical womanhood. It would be that of a lost sinner.
Being a godly daughter to parents is a major component of biblical womanhood, in that it shows the love of God, the care, protection, and provision, etc. from Him.
And it shows the godly daughter's love for God.
Her life and character, backs up God's word.
She is humble not proud and rebellious, and thus she is not rebelling against God.
She is following God's wishes thru being a godly daughter.
Again this is one I need your help on.
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. So I asked her to have him write a script for hydrocodon, which is just Vicodin. Needless to say he was shocked that I'd ask for something that isn't nearly as strong as morphine, but I can't take that other stuff. And I can't take Demerol anymore either as I got permanent side effects from when I did take it for so long and those would only get worse if i took it again. 
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