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Post by Cindy on Feb 8, 2019 12:01:14 GMT -5
I will try to get to this tomorrow 😊
Aha I just dis covered this virtual keyboard has some emojies /smilies 😋
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Post by fearnot on Feb 8, 2019 12:45:17 GMT -5
Question 1.
What did you learn about the position women occupy in the church?
As you study today’s lesson think about some of the ways you can portray biblical womanhood to others from that position.
Answer:
Women are not to be in positions of leadership. They are to pay attention to biblical teaching. They can teach Sunday school to young children, sing in the choir and be of help in many ways, like in the office.
Ways I could portray biblical womanhood to others from that position:
Having a kind and loving, gentle, quite spirit.
Being modest, not a worldly fashion hound
Being a prayer warrior
Not gossiping
Devoted to husband
be self-controlled
Be willing to train younger women ( not durning church tho)
Putting God first and husband second, not the world
Not nagging, quarrelsome, argumentative, pushy, domineering, manipulative, but rather speaking kind, gentle, wise words.
Be responsive to my husband 's leadership
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Post by fearnot on Feb 10, 2019 13:42:09 GMT -5
I will do part of this question today as I am feeling a little sick (fighting a little cold maybe. I slept most of yesterday)
1 Corinthians 11:1-16
Compare the format of this introduction (2-3) to the format of the introduction of the letters to three of the seven churches in Revelation. Describe this format noting how the word “but” acts as a pivot point for all four passages. For what does Paul commend the Corinthian church? (2) “But” in what ”? (3) Explain what verse 3 means as it applies to the day-to-day functioning of the church both in Corinth and today. What is the authority “flow chart” for the church?
answer:
It starts with the good commendable and the but is the pivot to mentioning errors etc.
"2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you."
The areas of church life does Paul imply the Corinthians are not “getting it , seem to be in how the worship service is conducted and social customs
The first but seems to be about leadership or headship then about women dressed in an inappropriate manner for the customs of the day that appears immoral, not modest , or degrading, the next was the same issues but about hair , and then it was about contentions.
Verse 3 explains the 3 fold order of authority, when it speaks of God the Father as head of Christ it is in reference to him in his humanity, not as God the son who is equal. since Christ is the head of man and man of woman, he is also the authority of women.
Therefore God is the ultimate authority, then men, and women do not rule in church, which is the same today.
Verse 3 serves as the main idea or theme of this passage. What is the main theological point God is trying to drive home to the church?
answer
I think maybe it could be that the church is to follow the proper order of authority
To what event in biblical history is Paul referring in 7b-9? Compare these verses with 1 Timothy 2:12-14. Explain how the creative order (man created first, woman second / man as head, woman as helper) is the cornerstone of the authority structure (3) in the family and the church.
answer
The creation of man in the garden of Eden. God created Adam first then Eve.
Explain how the creative order (man created first, woman second / man as head, woman as helper) is the cornerstone of the authority structure
this is one of those questions I have a hard time with because, in part, it seems like that
is the answer, that the creative order is the cornerstone of the authority structure.
This is where you need to help again 😂 and the same would be true for the family the husband is the head (not as a dictator) but after along has been considered he as the leader will have to make a decision. The same is true in the church.
In 4-5 and 14-15, Paul uses two separate examples from Corinthian culture that demonstrate the differences between men and women in order to illustrate the concept of the hierarchy of authority in the church. What are those two examples? Is God commanding that Christian women today must have long hair and must cover their heads when praying? Is God commanding that Christian men today must have short hair and must never cover their heads while praying?
answer
Men should not cover their head praying or prophesying, while women should
and
men should not have long hair but women should.
however, God is NOT commanding that Christian women today must have long hair and must cover their heads when praying? nor Is God commanding that Christian men today must have short hair and must never cover their heads while praying
In Corinthian culture, one of the ways women could portray biblical womanhood in the church was to signify by wearing their veils that they embraced submitting to their husbands and to the authority structure of the church. Can you think of any similar ways women can portray biblical womanhood today?
answer
dressing Modestly not in the latest sexy worldly manner
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Post by Cindy on Feb 11, 2019 12:47:31 GMT -5
Question 1.
What did you learn about the position women occupy in the church?
As you study today’s lesson think about some of the ways you can portray biblical womanhood to others from that position.
Answer:
Women are not to be in positions of leadership. They are to pay attention to biblical teaching. They can teach Sunday school to young children, sing in the choir and be of help in many ways, like in the office.
Ways I could portray biblical womanhood to others from that position:
Having a kind and loving, gentle, quite spirit.
Being modest, not a worldly fashion hound
Being a prayer warrior
Not gossiping
Devoted to husband
be self-controlled
Be willing to train younger women ( not durning church tho)
Putting God first and husband second, not the world
Not nagging, quarrelsome, argumentative, pushy, domineering, manipulative, but rather speaking kind, gentle, wise words.
Be responsive to my husband 's leadership
I will do part of this question today as I am feeling a little sick (fighting a little cold maybe. I slept most of yesterday)
Compare the format of this introduction (2-3) to the format of the introduction of the letters to three of the seven churches in Revelation. Describe this format noting how the word “but” acts as a pivot point for all four passages. For what does Paul commend the Corinthian church? (2) “But” in what ”? (3) Explain what verse 3 means as it applies to the day-to-day functioning of the church both in Corinth and today. What is the authority “flow chart” for the church?
answer:
It starts with the good commendable and the but is the pivot to mentioning errors etc.
"2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you."
The areas of church life does Paul imply the Corinthians are not “getting it , seem to be in how the worship service is conducted and social customs
The first but seems to be about leadership or headship then about women dressed in an inappropriate manner for the customs of the day that appears immoral, not modest , or degrading, the next was the same issues but about hair , and then it was about contentions.
Verse 3 explains the 3 fold order of authority, when it speaks of God the Father as head of Christ it is in reference to him in his humanity, not as God the son who is equal. since Christ is the head of man and man of woman, he is also the authority of women.
Therefore God is the ultimate authority, then men, and women do not rule in church, which is the same today.
Verse 3 serves as the main idea or theme of this passage. What is the main theological point God is trying to drive home to the church?
answer
I think maybe it could be that the church is to follow the proper order of authority
To what event in biblical history is Paul referring in 7b-9? Compare these verses with 1 Timothy 2:12-14. Explain how the creative order (man created first, woman second / man as head, woman as helper) is the cornerstone of the authority structure (3) in the family and the church.
answer
In 4-5 and 14-15, Paul uses two separate examples from Corinthian culture that demonstrate the differences between men and women in order to illustrate the concept of the hierarchy of authority in the church. What are those two examples? Is God commanding that Christian women today must have long hair and must cover their heads when praying? Is God commanding that Christian men today must have short hair and must never cover their heads while praying?
answer
In Corinthian culture, one of the ways women could portray biblical womanhood in the church was to signify by wearing their veils that they embraced submitting to their husbands and to the authority structure of the church. Can you think of any similar ways women can portray biblical womanhood today?
answer
2. Carefully examine the 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 passage. (As you study this passage, it may help to keep in mind that, unless widowed, virtually every adult woman in the church would have been married. That was the cultural norm. So Paul is able to use the terms “women” and “wives” nearly interchangeably. Click on the “Read These Selected Scriptures” link above and read the footnote (c) for verse 5.)
So you'll need to do that next.
Question: Verse 3 serves as the main idea or theme of this passage. What is the main theological point God is trying to drive home to the church?
your answer:
I think maybe it could be that the church is to follow the proper order of authority
You actually told part of what the theological point was in a previous answer. His main theological point is that of headship, not just for when we're at Church, but all the time, including when we've gathered to worship.
Here's part of one of MacArthur's sermons on verse 3 which may help: “Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Corinthians 11:3)
Verse 3 is the statement that would cover everything. The rest of it is an explanation of the statement in verse 3. In the relationship between man & woman, there is authority & submission. In the relationship between men & God, there is authority & submission. In the relationship between God & God, there is authority & submission. If Christ does not submit to the Father, then redemption is not accomplished. The entire universe is pervaded by this concept. What is new here is not that the wife is to be subject to her husband. That isn't new, because the OT taught that. What is new is the vastness, the scope of this principle. "The head of the woman is the man." Man has authority over woman. He's not just speaking of marriage, people, he is speaking of every dimension of living in general. The man must recognize that God has given him authority, & he has to accept that & take it & rule for God. The woman must realize in any relationship that she has been given the place of submission. 3rd "The head of Christ is God." If you don't like that, then you just really have to stop & think about the fact that it says that the head of Christ is God, & Christ loves it. The Subordination and Equality of Women
You didn't answer any of the other questions, which is good because now it will be easier for you to start with the first question on number two that you skipped lol.
I'll quote the rest of the lesson for you again to make it easier for you. Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 15- A Beautiful Portrayal of Biblical Womanhood in the Church by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
1 Corinthians 11:1-16,
1 Timothy 2:8-10,
1 Peter 3:3-6,
1 Timothy 5:1-16,
Luke 8:1-3,
Acts 9:36-42,
Acts 16:11-15,
Acts 18:18-19,
Romans 16:3,
1 Corinthians 16:19
In lesson 14 we looked at the beauty of women’s position in the church. Today, we’ll examine how our character can beautifully portray biblical womanhood in the church.
Questions to Consider
1. Briefly review lesson 14 (link above). What did you learn about the position women occupy in the church? As you study today’s lesson think about some of the ways you can portray biblical womanhood to others from that position.
2. Carefully examine the 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 passage. (As you study this passage, it may help to keep in mind that, unless widowed, virtually every adult woman in the church would have been married. That was the cultural norm. So Paul is able to use the terms “women” and “wives” nearly interchangeably. Click on the “Read These Selected Scriptures” link above and read the footnote (c) for verse 5.)
Compare the format of this introduction (2-3) to the format of the introduction of the letters to three of the seven churches in Revelation. Describe this format noting how the word “but” acts as a pivot point for all four passages. For what does Paul commend the Corinthian church? (2) “But” in what area of church life does Paul imply the Corinthians are not “getting it”? (3) Explain what verse 3 means as it applies to the day-to-day functioning of the church both in Corinth and today. What is the authority “flow chart” for the church?
Verse 3 serves as the main idea or theme of this passage. What is the main theological point God is trying to drive home to the church?
To what event in biblical history is Paul referring in 7b-9? Compare these verses with 1 Timothy 2:12-14. Explain how the creative order (man created first, woman second / man as head, woman as helper) is the cornerstone of the authority structure (3) in the family and the church.
In 4-5 and 14-15, Paul uses two separate examples from Corinthian culture that demonstrate the differences between men and women in order to illustrate the concept of the hierarchy of authority in the church. What are those two examples? Is God commanding that Christian women today must have long hair and must cover their heads when praying? Is God commanding that Christian men today must have short hair and must never cover their heads while praying?
In Corinthian culture, one of the ways women could portray biblical womanhood in the church was to signify by wearing their veils that they embraced submitting to their husbands and to the authority structure of the church. Can you think of any similar ways women can portray biblical womanhood today?
3. Examine the 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Peter 3 passages. What is the venue or setting for the instructions in each? (You may need to look at more of each chapter.) Locate the word “but” in each of these passages (2:10, 3:4), noting the concept that comes before the word “but” and after it. Describe how women are not to adorn themselves. “But” describe how women are to adorn themselves. Are things like braids, jewelry, and clothes intrinsically sinful, or is Paul again giving cultural examples to illustrate a theological point he’s making? What is that point? What is it about the bent of women’s hearts that would cause God to give this instruction to women in the context of the home and the church, but not to give this instruction to men at all? As godly women, where is our focus to be? How does it benefit the church for us to “wear”, or portray, biblical womanhood by adorning ourselves modestly and with good works?
What similar themes do you see in these two passages and the 1 Corinthians 11 passage? How do these three passages work together to demonstrate to us how we may live out biblical womanhood in the church?
4. Locate, in the 1 Timothy 2 (10), 1 Peter 3 (6), and 1 Timothy 5 (10) passages the phrases about doing good works. How are good works a major responsibility of women in the church, and a main way we display biblical womanhood?
Explain the context of the 1 Timothy 5 passage. The passage is talking about women who are _______. But a large part of this passage talks about how these women lived and served the church prior to becoming widows. Make a two column list. On one side, list the good works of all the women (widowed, married, young widows, any believing woman, etc.) mentioned in this passage. On the other side, list some specific ways you and other women in the church can carry out these good works today.
What are the “bad works” to be avoided in this passage? How can focusing on doing good works help us to avoid the bad works?
5. Study the remaining passages (Luke, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians) in today’s lesson. How did the women who followed Jesus, Dorcas, Lydia, and Priscilla (Prisca) each portray biblical womanhood in the church by their character and good works? To whom did they minister? How did the church benefit from each of them robustly living out God’s plan for women in the church?
Homework
If you’d like to read more about some of the passages from today’s lesson, you might enjoy the following articles:
Rock Your Role: A Head of the Times- Head Coverings for Christian Women?
The Mailbag: Potpourri (Calvinism, Baptism, Modesty…)
Rock Your Role: Oh No She Di-int! Priscilla Didn’t Preach, Deborah Didn’t Dominate, and Esther Wasn’t an Egalitarian
Suggested Memory Verse
Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God. 1 Corinthians 11:11-12
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
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Post by fearnot on Feb 11, 2019 13:08:55 GMT -5
oops
I answered before you posted, or maybe at the same time, so I expect most of my answers will be wrong 😂
But I was totally struggling anyway
I did read question 2 but didn't see a question?
2. Carefully examine the 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 passage. (As you study this passage, it may help to keep in mind that, unless widowed, virtually every adult woman in the church would have been married. That was the cultural norm. So Paul is able to use the terms “women” and “wives” nearly interchangeably. Click on the “Read These Selected Scriptures” link above and read the footnote (c) for verse 5.)
So you'll need to do that next.
what is the question
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Post by Cindy on Feb 13, 2019 11:15:34 GMT -5
oops
I answered before you posted, or maybe at the same time, so I expect most of my answers will be wrong 😂
But I was totally struggling anyway
I did read question 2 but didn't see a question?
2. Carefully examine the 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 passage. (As you study this passage, it may help to keep in mind that, unless widowed, virtually every adult woman in the church would have been married. That was the cultural norm. So Paul is able to use the terms “women” and “wives” nearly interchangeably. Click on the “Read These Selected Scriptures” link above and read the footnote (c) for verse 5.)
So you'll need to do that next.
what is the question
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For the first part of question 2, I think I just thought you'd make a comment about what the footnote said and why that's important to know, or even simply that it covers what she said so you know that it's not her idea, it's God's. On the other hand, it's entirely possible that I was just totally confused from lack of sleep, and messed up. I say that because when I looked back at your post, I realized that I'd never replied to the rest of your answers, so I'll do that now. Sorry about that!
I will do part of this question today as I am feeling a little sick (fighting a little cold maybe. I slept most of yesterday)
1 Corinthians 11:1-16
Compare the format of this introduction (2-3) to the format of the introduction of the letters to three of the seven churches in Revelation. Describe this format noting how the word “but” acts as a pivot point for all four passages. For what does Paul commend the Corinthian church? (2) “But” in what ”? (3) Explain what verse 3 means as it applies to the day-to-day functioning of the church both in Corinth and today. What is the authority “flow chart” for the church?
answer:
It starts with the good commendable and the but is the pivot to mentioning errors etc.
"2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you."
The areas of church life does Paul imply the Corinthians are not “getting it , seem to be in how the worship service is conducted and social customs
The first but seems to be about leadership or headship then about women dressed in an inappropriate manner for the customs of the day that appears immoral, not modest , or degrading, the next was the same issues but about hair , and then it was about contentions.
Verse 3 explains the 3 fold order of authority, when it speaks of God the Father as head of Christ it is in reference to him in his humanity, not as God the son who is equal. since Christ is the head of man and man of woman, he is also the authority of women.
Therefore God is the ultimate authority, then men, and women do not rule in church, which is the same today.
Verse 3 serves as the main idea or theme of this passage. What is the main theological point God is trying to drive home to the church?
answer
I think maybe it could be that the church is to follow the proper order of authority
To what event in biblical history is Paul referring in 7b-9? Compare these verses with 1 Timothy 2:12-14. Explain how the creative order (man created first, woman second / man as head, woman as helper) is the cornerstone of the authority structure (3) in the family and the church.
answer
The creation of man in the garden of Eden. God created Adam first then Eve.
Explain how the creative order (man created first, woman second / man as head, woman as helper) is the cornerstone of the authority structure
this is one of those questions I have a hard time with because, in part, it seems like that
is the answer, that the creative order is the cornerstone of the authority structure.
This is where you need to help again 😂 and the same would be true for the family the husband is the head (not as a dictator) but after along has been considered he as the leader will have to make a decision. The same is true in the church.
In 4-5 and 14-15, Paul uses two separate examples from Corinthian culture that demonstrate the differences between men and women in order to illustrate the concept of the hierarchy of authority in the church. What are those two examples? Is God commanding that Christian women today must have long hair and must cover their heads when praying? Is God commanding that Christian men today must have short hair and must never cover their heads while praying?
answer
Men should not cover their head praying or prophesying, while women should
and
men should not have long hair but women should.
however, God is NOT commanding that Christian women today must have long hair and must cover their heads when praying? nor Is God commanding that Christian men today must have short hair and must never cover their heads while praying
In Corinthian culture, one of the ways women could portray biblical womanhood in the church was to signify by wearing their veils that they embraced submitting to their husbands and to the authority structure of the church. Can you think of any similar ways women can portray biblical womanhood today?
answer
dressing Modestly not in the latest sexy worldly manner
Good!
You said again here that: Verse 3 explains the 3 fold order of authority, when it speaks of God the Father as head of Christ it is in reference to him in his humanity, not as God the son who is equal. since Christ is the head of man and man of woman, he is also the authority of women. But Paul says nothing about Christ being the head of woman, he says that man is the head of woman. Obviously, we know that Jesus is the very top of the chain of command, but on earth, the man is who the woman is to answer to, just as though he represented Jesus to her. That's what Paul is trying to get across to the women in Corinth. They were saying they didn't have to submit to the men, they only had to submit to Christ, but God ordained this hierarchy and therefore we are to submit to men.
I already explained about the main theological theme in my earlier reply. Here it is again though:
You actually told part of what the theological point was in a previous answer. His main theological point is that of headship, not just for when we're at Church, but all the time, including when we've gathered to worship.
Here's part of one of MacArthur's sermons on verse 3 which may help: “Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Corinthians 11:3)
Verse 3 is the statement that would cover everything. The rest of it is an explanation of the statement in verse 3. In the relationship between man & woman, there is authority & submission. In the relationship between men & God, there is authority & submission. In the relationship between God & God, there is authority & submission. If Christ does not submit to the Father, then redemption is not accomplished. The entire universe is pervaded by this concept. What is new here is not that the wife is to be subject to her husband. That isn't new, because the OT taught that. What is new is the vastness, the scope of this principle. "The head of the woman is the man." Man has authority over woman. He's not just speaking of marriage, people, he is speaking of every dimension of living in general. The man must recognize that God has given him authority, & he has to accept that & take it & rule for God. The woman must realize in any relationship that she has been given the place of submission. 3rd "The head of Christ is God." If you don't like that, then you just really have to stop & think about the fact that it says that the head of Christ is God, & Christ loves it. The Subordination and Equality of Women
You didn't answer any of the other questions, which is good because now it will be easier for you to start with the first question on number two that you skipped lol.
Then you had trouble with this question: Explain how the creative order (man created first, woman second / man as head, woman as helper) is the cornerstone of the authority structure. I know what you mean about it seeming like the answer is in the question itself lol. I guess the only way I can think of to say it would be that the story of creation is the first time that God shows us that man is the head over woman, and then like you said, it's again shown all through the bible in every area of life to make sure we understand that this is what God has ordained.
Your next answer about men and women and covering the head while praying is correct, but I'm unsure about why the question mark is in the middle of your answer...was that a typo or were you unsure about it? Just in case I'll copy what MacArthur said about verse 5 here which answers the question: woman … while praying or prophesying. Paul makes clear directives that women are not to lead or speak in the services of the church, but they may pray and proclaim the truth to unbelievers, as well as teaching children and other women. See note on Ac 21:9. Wherever and whenever women do pray and proclaim the Word appropriately, they must do so maintaining a proper distinction from men. uncovered. In the culture of Corinth, a woman’s covered head while ministering or worshiping was a symbol to signify a subordinate relationship to her husband. The apostle is not laying down an absolute law for women to wear veils or coverings in all churches for all time, but is declaring that the symbols of the divinely-established male and female roles are to be genuinely honored in every culture. As in the case of meat offered to idols (chaps. 8, 9), there is nothing spiritual about wearing or not wearing a covering. But manifesting rebellion against God’s order was wrong. The MacArthur study Bible
The last question was: In Corinthian culture, one of the ways women could portray biblical womanhood in the church was to signify by wearing their veils that they embraced submitting to their husbands and to the authority structure of the church. Can you think of any similar ways women can portray biblical womanhood today? your answer: dressing Modestly not in the latest sexy worldly manner. That's true, but it doesn't show the submission to men that veils did. I would think that not dressing like a man would be one answer, or not having a hairstyle that is generally thought to be a mans, or wearing men's jewelry, or acting like a man in any way. That wouldn't mean that you couldn't wear pants, only that they should be the kind of pants worn by women and not those worn by men. (which is difficult today since everyone wears jeans, and yet women's jeans are made differently then men's - or at least they used to be. Who knows anymore though!
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Post by fearnot on Feb 13, 2019 11:39:26 GMT -5
I guess I keep thinking if a husband asks a wife to do something against God, then God is her authority or head she should submit to.
Yes the '?' was a typo.
The virtual keyboard sometimes jumps, on its own,
from caps to lower case
and to the up arrow (which has various symbols etc.)
so I sometimes miss it, as I may be looking at the string of words above etc.
If you wonder about my shorter replies it is because I am using the virtual keyboard and although it has some good points, it also is basically harder for me to use for very long time.
I am not sure why, because the longer I use it, the more it seems to be anticipating my choices of words and style of writing, so it may get better with time.
But for a bit my posts may be on the short side.
Did I forget to answer a question?
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I am already tired 😂
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Post by fearnot on Feb 13, 2019 12:21:27 GMT -5
I will do half today and the other half tomorrow
Question 3.
Examine the 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Peter 3 passages. What is the venue or setting for the instructions in each? (You may need to look at more of each chapter.)
Answer
In church
Locate the word “but” in each of these passages (2:10, 3:4), noting the concept that comes before the word “but” and after it. Describe how women are not to adorn themselves.
Answer
Not externally, whatever is the latest fashion be it—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, pearls or costly attire, the clothing you wear etc
“But” describe how women are to adorn themselves. Are things like braids, jewelry, and clothes intrinsically sinful, or is Paul again giving cultural examples to illustrate a theological point he’s making?
Answer
braids, jewelry, and clothes are not intrinsically sinful, Paul is giving cultural examples to illustrate a theological point he’s making
What is that point?
What is it about the bent of women’s hearts that would cause God to give this instruction to women in the context of the home and the church, but not to give this instruction to men at all?
Answer
I think the point is women are not in church to be a fashion plate,in order to draw attention to themselves, but rather to worship God. I think this is in general more of a sin trap for women then men, just look at the massive fashion industry. Women seem to crave attention for their outward looks way more then men.
As godly women, where is our focus to be?
Answer
our focus is to be on worshiping God and learning more about Him
Not about how pretty we are looking and who might be admiring us
How does it benefit the church for us to “wear”, or portray, biblical womanhood by adorning ourselves modestly and with good works?
Answer
I think it might prevent distractions like jealousy, lust, envy etc
It could also model (ha ha 'model') good and Godly behavior to other women
So they too will keep their minds stayed on God and not themselves.
What similar themes do you see in these two passages and the 1 Corinthians 11 passage?
Answer
Women are not to be focused on self and getting attention
They are to pay attention to worship and prayer and learning
They are to be submissive to their husbands
to understand the chain of command
They are to be modest
Be peaceful, quiet, and dignified
How do these three passages work together to demonstrate to us how we may live out biblical womanhood in the church?
Answer
LOL
Once again I thought in a way that was just answered in the question above?
Or I don't understand what she is asking exactly?
So I wait for you to 'break it down ' as 'they' say
Sigh
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Post by Cindy on Feb 14, 2019 12:33:09 GMT -5
I guess I keep thinking if a husband asks a wife to do something against God, then God is her authority or head she should submit to.
Yes the '?' was a typo.
The virtual keyboard sometimes jumps, on its own,
from caps to lower case
and to the up arrow (which has various symbols etc.)
so I sometimes miss it, as I may be looking at the string of words above etc.
If you wonder about my shorter replies it is because I am using the virtual keyboard and although it has some good points, it also is basically harder for me to use for very long time.
I am not sure why, because the longer I use it, the more it seems to be anticipating my choices of words and style of writing, so it may get better with time.
But for a bit my posts may be on the short side.
Did I forget to answer a question?
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I am already tired 😂
I don't know if you forgot one or not...if you did, I'm sure I would have said something.....
I hope you'll be able to get a new keyboard soon. Sorry you're feeling so tired lately too. I've been having a hard time sleeping some nights as well.
I will do half today and the other half tomorrow
Question 3.
Examine the 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Peter 3 passages. What is the venue or setting for the instructions in each? (You may need to look at more of each chapter.)
Answer
In church
Locate the word “but” in each of these passages (2:10, 3:4), noting the concept that comes before the word “but” and after it. Describe how women are not to adorn themselves.
Answer
Not externally, whatever is the latest fashion be it—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, pearls or costly attire, the clothing you wear etc
“But” describe how women are to adorn themselves. Are things like braids, jewelry, and clothes intrinsically sinful, or is Paul again giving cultural examples to illustrate a theological point he’s making?
Answer
braids, jewelry, and clothes are not intrinsically sinful, Paul is giving cultural examples to illustrate a theological point he’s making
What is that point?
What is it about the bent of women’s hearts that would cause God to give this instruction to women in the context of the home and the church, but not to give this instruction to men at all?
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I think the point is women are not in church to be a fashion plate,in order to draw attention to themselves, but rather to worship God. I think this is in general more of a sin trap for women then men, just look at the massive fashion industry. Women seem to crave attention for their outward looks way more then men.
As godly women, where is our focus to be?
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How does it benefit the church for us to “wear”, or portray, biblical womanhood by adorning ourselves modestly and with good works?
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What similar themes do you see in these two passages and the 1 Corinthians 11 passage?
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How do these three passages work together to demonstrate to us how we may live out biblical womanhood in the church?
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What is that point?
What is it about the bent of women’s hearts that would cause God to give this instruction to women in the context of the home and the church, but not to give this instruction to men at all?
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I think the point is women are not in church to be a fashion plate,in order to draw attention to themselves, but rather to worship God. I think this is in general more of a sin trap for women then men, just look at the massive fashion industry. Women seem to crave attention for their outward looks way more then men.
Your answer is great, other than forgetting about the home part; and what you said applies to the home as well. I think part of the reason the "home" part is important here is also because when we think of Church, we think of another building that's specific for our worship; but in that time, they generally worshiped in people's homes or even at synagogues. Before 70 ad, they worshiped at the Temple in the courts there as well as at people's homes or at synagogues. Basically they worshiped anywhere and everywhere they could! Funny, today people don't like going to church and often try to get out of it, or if they do go, they want the sermon to be as short as possible so they can get back to their life. That's the world for you though, and our sin nature. Those who are listening to the Holy Spirit and abiding in Christ, are like the first Christians. They're ready to worship anytime, anywhere and love to worship God. They love learning about Him, and wish the sermons were longer. They're doing what they love to do, so leaving is the last thing they'd think about for the most part.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 14, 2019 12:43:46 GMT -5
3 passages?
I thought there was 2?
1 Timothy 2
and
1 Peter 3
passages
I will go back and check
But thank you for explaining about home also! 😊
yep You were right
I forgot she added
1 Corinthians 11:1-16
In the 2nd paragraph or was it the 3rd, but yeah
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Post by Cindy on Feb 15, 2019 11:20:15 GMT -5
3 passages?
I thought there was 2?
1 Timothy 2
and
1 Peter 3
passages
I will go back and check
But thank you for explaining about home also! 😊
yep You were right
I forgot she added
1 Corinthians 11:1-16
In the 2nd paragraph or was it the 3rd, but yeah
I just remembered what question you still haven't answered. yesterday I was thinking you meant a bible study question and I couldn't think of one. But just now I realized that you still haven't replied to what I asked about the book, The Joy Project. It doesn't matter though at this point. I told you that you could post whatever you wanted to about it on facebook.
I'll wait till Monday to post the new Bible study on this as you still have a way to go on this one. I hope you get rested up and are feeling better soon; and can get a new keyboard too!
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Post by fearnot on Feb 15, 2019 12:18:39 GMT -5
not good news about the keyboard.
Leonard took computer to repair guy, who said that to repair would cost about the same as buying a new one.
So we may eventually get a refurbished one.
Which means that for awhile I will probably post shorter
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Post by fearnot on Feb 15, 2019 12:25:25 GMT -5
arrgh, not again!!!!!
I finished the rest of question 3 yesterday,but it isn't posted
What is worse is I did it on the virtual keyboard,and now have to redo it
Oh well
No wait I Found it how strange it's above the 1/2 finished post?????!!!!
I will just quote myself and move to the next, if that is okay
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Post by fearnot on Feb 15, 2019 12:35:15 GMT -5
I will do half today and the other half tomorrow
Here's the other half and it was above the unfinished post, not sure how that happened
Question 3.
Examine the 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Peter 3 passages. What is the venue or setting for the instructions in each? (You may need to look at more of each chapter.)
Answer
In church
Locate the word “but” in each of these passages (2:10, 3:4), noting the concept that comes before the word “but” and after it. Describe how women are not to adorn themselves.
Answer
Not externally, whatever is the latest fashion be it—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, pearls or costly attire, the clothing you wear etc
“But” describe how women are to adorn themselves. Are things like braids, jewelry, and clothes intrinsically sinful, or is Paul again giving cultural examples to illustrate a theological point he’s making?
Answer
braids, jewelry, and clothes are not intrinsically sinful, Paul is giving cultural examples to illustrate a theological point he’s making
What is that point?
What is it about the bent of women’s hearts that would cause God to give this instruction to women in the context of the home and the church, but not to give this instruction to men at all?
Answer
I think the point is women are not in church to be a fashion plate,in order to draw attention to themselves, but rather to worship God. I think this is in general more of a sin trap for women then men, just look at the massive fashion industry. Women seem to crave attention for their outward looks way more then men.
As godly women, where is our focus to be?
Answer
our focus is to be on worshiping God and learning more about Him
Not about how pretty we are looking and who might be admiring us
How does it benefit the church for us to “wear”, or portray, biblical womanhood by adorning ourselves modestly and with good works?
Answer
I think it might prevent distractions like jealousy, lust, envy etc
It could also model (ha ha 'model') good and Godly behavior to other women
So they too will keep their minds stayed on God and not themselves.
What similar themes do you see in these two passages and the 1 Corinthians 11 passage?
Answer
Women are not to be focused on self and getting attention
They are to pay attention to worship and prayer and learning
They are to be submissive to their husbands
to understand the chain of command
They are to be modest
Be peaceful, quiet, and dignified
How do these three passages work together to demonstrate to us how we may live out biblical womanhood in the church?
Answer
LOL
Once again I thought in a way that was just answered in the question above?
Or I don't understand what she is asking exactly?
So I wait for you to 'break it down ' as 'they' say
Sigh
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Post by Cindy on Feb 15, 2019 12:47:57 GMT -5
I thought I was going crazy yesterday because it looked like you hadn't posted anything more, but then when I scrolled back, it looked like you had posted, or that maybe we posted at the same time. Yet when I looked at the time stamps, it wasn't at the same time. It finally occurred to me to look at the edit times and that's when it finally began to make sense....I think. Then today the same thing happened. I was just about to leave this thread assuming you simply hadn't done anymore on the study, but I wanted to double check what I'd written before and see if I could figure out why I'd typed three instead of two. Then I did a double take, thinking like I did yesterday at first, that I'd somehow missed half of your reply. But I remembered that you had put "answer" and left it blank and I was sure I wasn't seeing things or remembering wrong. Yet now all those blank answers have been filled in! Please don't do that anymore. Just quote your own post and then fill in the blanks, or start fresh. You know how to quote now and even how to quote more then one post at a time, so I'm not sure what made you start doing this, but it won't work this way. It's just way to confusing, OK?
Also, it makes it difficult for me too because you don't list the entire original study so I have to constantly go back and look for that to see which scriptures your reply is talking about. So when I post her next study, I'll take the time to add the right scriptures to each question so that when you quote the questions, the scriptures will be in them.
To make this easier on me, I'm going to reply to the questions inside your post and then I'll reply at the end in general about it all. So look at the part where I quote your reply to see my reply lol
I will do half today and the other half tomorrow
Question 3.
Examine the 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Peter 3 passages. What is the venue or setting for the instructions in each? (You may need to look at more of each chapter.)
Answer
In church
Already answered this one.
Locate the word “but” in each of these passages (2:10, 3:4), noting the concept that comes before the word “but” and after it. Describe how women are not to adorn themselves.
Answer
Not externally, whatever is the latest fashion be it—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, pearls or costly attire, the clothing you wear etc
Already answered this one.
“But” describe how women are to adorn themselves. Are things like braids, jewelry, and clothes intrinsically sinful, or is Paul again giving cultural examples to illustrate a theological point he’s making?
Answer
braids, jewelry, and clothes are not intrinsically sinful, Paul is giving cultural examples to illustrate a theological point he’s making
Already answered this one.
What is that point?
What is it about the bent of women’s hearts that would cause God to give this instruction to women in the context of the home and the church, but not to give this instruction to men at all?
Answer
I think the point is women are not in church to be a fashion plate,in order to draw attention to themselves, but rather to worship God. I think this is in general more of a sin trap for women then men, just look at the massive fashion industry. Women seem to crave attention for their outward looks way more then men.
Already answered this one.
As godly women, where is our focus to be?
Answer
our focus is to be on worshiping God and learning more about Him
Not about how pretty we are looking and who might be admiring us
Remember her questions involve both church AND home. While we certainly do worship God at home, I'm not sure that's what our focus should be all the time. Instead, I'd suggest something like what's said in the following verses:
“Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight.” (1 Peter 3:4)
“like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.” (1 Peter 3:6)
“but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.” (1 Timothy 2:10)
Looking at the above verses and taking into consideration what each of the chapters say about this, I'd say that our focus is to be on our inner selves rather than on outward beauty. I like the way Paul speaks about the inner life and the outer life as it's appropriate for this too. “So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. (our inner self, a gentle and quiet spirit, etc) For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)
1 Peter 3:6 can be a difficult verse, so I've posted it in several different translations so you can see the different ways it's translated. That often helps me to understand a verse better.
NIV | 1 Pe 3:6 like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
AV | 1 Pe 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
ESV | 1 Pe 3:6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening.
NASB95 | 1 Pe 3:6 just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.
NET | 1 Pe 3:6 like Sarah who obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. You become her children when you do what is good and have no fear in doing so.
Please feel free to share what you think the answer to the question should be now that you understand what she's looking for.
How does it benefit the church for us to “wear”, or portray, biblical womanhood by adorning ourselves modestly and with good works?
Answer
I think it might prevent distractions like jealousy, lust, envy etc
It could also model (ha ha 'model') good and Godly behavior to other women
So they too will keep their minds stayed on God and not themselves.
Very good! Yes it will prevent distractions and also it will prevent us from causing a brother or sister to sin. (like if a woman becomes envious of what we're wearing or of our figure, or if a man seeing us begins to lust after us; both will have sinned and it would have been our fault)
What similar themes do you see in these two passages and the 1 Corinthians 11 passage?
Answer
Women are not to be focused on self and getting attention
They are to pay attention to worship and prayer and learning
They are to be submissive to their husbands
to understand the chain of command
They are to be modest
Be peaceful, quiet, and dignified
Very good! All of what you listed is true, but those are the things Paul used to make various points about his themes.
I would have said that the theme for 1 Peter 3:3-6 was our inner selves;and
for 1 Timothy 2:8–10 I would say the theme is to control ourselves (like controlling our thoughts and words and feelings). and
for 1 Corinthians 11:1–16 I would say the theme is to understand our place in God's plan for women. (in other words that we're to submit to men and why and that it doesn't make us inferior, and that we're needed as much as men are etc). .
How do these three passages work together to demonstrate to us how we may live out biblical womanhood in the church?
Answer
LOL
Once again I thought in a way that was just answered in the question above?
Or I don't understand what she is asking exactly?
So I wait for you to 'break it down ' as 'they' say
Sigh
I'll answer this one below....
I'm going to try to explain in a way that doesn't actually answer the question, so you can answer it yourself. If you look at what i said the themes of each section of scripture were, can you then show how those themes work together to show us how to live out biblical womanhood in the church? Of course you're more then welcome to choose your own themes too. I did that part very quickly and wrote the first thing that came to mind, so you can probably do better anyway lol.
editing as I just thought of something that might help.... If we had a list of bicycle parts, like the handlebars, the tires, the seat, the pedals, etc and then someone asked us how those things worked together, we'd tell them that together they made a bicycle that we could ride. So how do the themes Paul spoke of in those passages work together to demonstrate how we can live out biblical womanhood in the church?
I'm afraid I'm so groggy and tired today that I'm not thinking very well anyway.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 15, 2019 13:02:01 GMT -5
I think I understand what you said about posting. The reason I left 1/2 unanswered that way was because in order to complete it the next day I would have to have searched for it on the previous page somewhere.
Also I think I misunderstood you
from awhile back.
I thought you said to do it that way LOL
Oye vey!
Anyway, I understood your explanation but for some reason I can't put it together.
I did find it helpful what you said concerning our focus is to be on our inner self ( a gentle and quiet spirit) than outward looks
and submission to husband and men.
It seems all the passages say that they thus work together to demonstrate how we can live out biblical womanhood in the church?
see, something is not connecting the dots
I started to feel a bit envious that you are not only able to discern what she is asking, but have such great answers
But I quickly remembered how blessed I am that God allowed me to have you as a sister in Christ and ask forgiveness
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Post by fearnot on Feb 15, 2019 14:19:36 GMT -5
4.
Locate, in the 1 Timothy 2 (10), 1 Peter 3 (6), and 1 Timothy 5 (10) passages the phrases about doing good works. How are good works a major responsibility of women in the church, and a main way we display biblical womanhood?
Answer:
Again I don't think I understand
I will have to take a stab at it blind
God has declared women to be helpers, in all aspects of life
And also to be submissive to husbands and men
"And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him." (Col. 3:17)
This is a main way we display biblical womanhood ??
Explain the context of the 1 Timothy 5 passage. The passage is talking about women who are _______.
Answer:
Widows
But a large part of this passage talks about how these women lived and served the church prior to becoming widows. Make a two column list. On one side, list the good works of all the women (widowed, married, young widows, any believing woman, etc.) mentioned in this passage.
On the other side, list some specific ways you and other women in the church can carry out these good works today.
Answer:
the wife of one husband
Don't divorce and remarry, but if you have in the past, do not do it again
brought up children
Raise your children to be godly
shown hospitality
Show shown hospitality in the church and home
washed the feet of the saints
Be of help to you husband and pastor (if you can)
cared for the afflicted
To the degree you can help the poor and/or sick
devoted herself to every good work
Do likewise
What are the “bad works” to be avoided in this passage?
How can focusing on doing good works help us to avoid the bad works?
Answer:
Having passions that draw them away from Christ
being idle
gossiping
Being a busybody
saying what they should not
However when you are busy doing good works, you don't have time for many of these sins.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 16, 2019 12:41:23 GMT -5
5. Study the remaining passages (Luke 8:1-3, Acts 9:36-42,Acts 16:11-15, Acts 18:18-19 Romans 16:3, 1 Corinthians 16:19) in today’s lesson.
How did the women who followed Jesus, Dorcas, Lydia, and Priscilla (Prisca) each portray biblical womanhood in the church by their character and good works?
Answer:
They were full of good works, acts of charity, had servant's hearts, helped in whatever way that they could in order to meet needs (even providing provided for them out of their means.
They did not demand to be leaders.
To whom did they minister?
Answer:
Jesus, Peter,and the other apostles.
How did the church benefit from each of them robustly living out God’s plan for women in the church?
Answer:
The men were able to devote their time to spreading the gospel and it greatly.
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Post by Cindy on Feb 19, 2019 12:48:27 GMT -5
I think I understand what you said about posting. The reason I left 1/2 unanswered that way was because in order to complete it the next day I would have to have searched for it on the previous page somewhere.
Also I think I misunderstood you
from awhile back.
I thought you said to do it that way LOL
Oye vey!
Anyway, I understood your explanation but for some reason I can't put it together.
I did find it helpful what you said concerning our focus is to be on our inner self ( a gentle and quiet spirit) than outward looks
and submission to husband and men.
It seems all the passages say that they thus work together to demonstrate how we can live out biblical womanhood in the church?
see, something is not connecting the dots
I started to feel a bit envious that you are not only able to discern what she is asking, but have such great answers
But I quickly remembered how blessed I am that God allowed me to have you as a sister in Christ and ask forgiveness
4.
Locate, in the 1 Timothy 2 (10), 1 Peter 3 (6), and 1 Timothy 5 (10) passages the phrases about doing good works. How are good works a major responsibility of women in the church, and a main way we display biblical womanhood?
Answer:
Again I don't think I understand
I will have to take a stab at it blind
God has declared women to be helpers, in all aspects of life
And also to be submissive to husbands and men
"And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him." (Col. 3:17)
This is a main way we display biblical womanhood ??
Explain the context of the 1 Timothy 5 passage. The passage is talking about women who are _______.
Answer:
Widows
But a large part of this passage talks about how these women lived and served the church prior to becoming widows. Make a two column list. On one side, list the good works of all the women (widowed, married, young widows, any believing woman, etc.) mentioned in this passage.
On the other side, list some specific ways you and other women in the church can carry out these good works today.
Answer:
the wife of one husband
Don't divorce and remarry, but if you have in the past, do not do it again
brought up children
Raise your children to be godly
shown hospitality
Show shown hospitality in the church and home
washed the feet of the saints
Be of help to you husband and pastor (if you can)
cared for the afflicted
To the degree you can help the poor and/or sick
devoted herself to every good work
Do likewise
What are the “bad works” to be avoided in this passage?
How can focusing on doing good works help us to avoid the bad works?
Answer:
Having passions that draw them away from Christ
being idle
gossiping
Being a busybody
saying what they should not
However when you are busy doing good works, you don't have time for many of these sins.
“and is well known for her good deeds, such as bringing up children, showing hospitality, washing the feet of the saints, helping those in trouble and devoting herself to all kinds of good deeds.” (1 Timothy 5:10) “but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.” (1 Timothy 2:10) “as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening.” (1 Peter 3:6)
You said the next answer was widows and then there was this question:
But a large part of this passage talks about how these women lived and served the church prior to becoming widows. Make a two column list. On one side, list the good works of all the women (widowed, married, young widows, any believing woman, etc.) mentioned in this passage.
On the other side, list some specific ways you and other women in the church can carry out these good works today.
But you have only one list and I'm not sure which one it is.... could you please clarify? If it's the last part about how you can do these things today, then how would you wash the feet of the saints?
The last list is good, but I would have added something from this verse: “If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” (1 Timothy 5:8) Actually, I would have also had something from this verse at the top of the list of ways we could do good works today as well.
5. Study the remaining passages (Luke 8:1-3, Acts 9:36-42,Acts 16:11-15, Acts 18:18-19 Romans 16:3, 1 Corinthians 16:19) in today’s lesson.
How did the women who followed Jesus, Dorcas, Lydia, and Priscilla (Prisca) each portray biblical womanhood in the church by their character and good works?
Answer:
They were full of good works, acts of charity, had servant's hearts, helped in whatever way that they could in order to meet needs (even providing provided for them out of their means.
They did not demand to be leaders.
To whom did they minister?
Answer:
Jesus, Peter,and the other apostles.
How did the church benefit from each of them robustly living out God’s plan for women in the church?
Answer:
The men were able to devote their time to spreading the gospel and it greatly.
She included Acts 18:18–19 but if you know the story then you know that they met Apollos and taught him as we are told starting in: “He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately.” (Acts 18:26) Also, 1 Corinthians 16:19 tells us that the church met in their home, so they were the leaders of a house church! The passage in Acts 9 tells us that Dorcas was a Disciple - in other words, she studied God's Word and lived it, just as the other disciples did. It also tells about her good works, but don't miss the part about her being a disciple! She also gives you Acts 16:11-15 we read: “One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.” (Acts 16:14) But what was she listening to? “On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we expected to find a place of prayer. We sat down and began to speak to the women who had gathered there.” (Acts 16:13) These were Jewish women and Jewish proselytes who met each Sabbath to read the OT scriptures and pray. Paul and his friends met them and taught them and Lydia and her household were saved! So we know that she too knew the scriptures and most likely later taught them to others to show them the good news of Christ.
So you see that all the women knew and studied the scriptures and taught them to their families and the rest of their household which would have consisted of slaves, servants, and extended family.
So they ministered to the people you listed but also to their household members, and other Christians, especially new ones.
I'm way behind again today as I'm still in a lot of pain so why don't you work on Acts today if you want to, and I'll post the new study tomorrow, ok?
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Post by fearnot on Feb 19, 2019 20:43:10 GMT -5
thank you again
That really helps!
Lol
I did make 2 lists, but didn't know how to make 2 columns side-by-side.
So I did it like this:
Answer:
the wife of one husband (first of list 1)
Don't divorce and remarry, but if you have in the past, do not do it again (first of list 2)
brought up children (list 1)
Raise your children to be godly ( list 2)
shown hospitality (list 1)
Show shown hospitality in the church and home ( list 2)
washed the feet of the saints (list 1)
Be of help to you husband and pastor (if you can)( list 2)
cared for the afflicted (list 1)
To the degree you can help the poor and/or sick ( list 2)
devoted herself to every good work (list 1)
Do likewise ( list 2)
I don't think this is a good answer tho
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Post by Cindy on Feb 20, 2019 9:53:49 GMT -5
thank you again
That really helps!
Lol
I did make 2 lists, but didn't know how to make 2 columns side-by-side.
So I did it like this:
Answer:
the wife of one husband (first of list 1)
Don't divorce and remarry, but if you have in the past, do not do it again (first of list 2)
brought up children (list 1)
Raise your children to be godly ( list 2)
shown hospitality (list 1)
Show shown hospitality in the church and home ( list 2)
washed the feet of the saints (list 1)
Be of help to you husband and pastor (if you can)( list 2)
cared for the afflicted (list 1)
To the degree you can help the poor and/or sick ( list 2)
devoted herself to every good work (list 1)
Do likewise ( list 2)
I don't think this is a good answer tho
Ok, I'll go ahead and post the next study for you. If you would rather do Acts for now for awhile and come back to this later, or do Acts for now and do this one on weekends or some other way, that's fine with me. Just let me know how you want to do it.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 20, 2019 10:16:01 GMT -5
THank you
I am not sure why
I didn't think to make the lists like you suggested duh
I tried also using 2 different fonts
Like that helped
NOT
I am glad you reminded me about one thing I forgot: 😊
"they taught the Gospel and all of God's Word to people"
I will look at the questions and see how 'hard' they look ha
and let you know. 😋
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Post by Cindy on Feb 20, 2019 10:44:16 GMT -5
We just finished lesson 15 and I've now seen that there are only two more studies in this series left. So we're almost done! I'm going to break these questions down and skip a line between each question for you to make it easier.
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 16- A Beautiful Proclamation in the Church by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
Titus 2:1-10,
2 Timothy 2:15,
2 Timothy 3:1-9,
1 Timothy 2:15,
2 Timothy 1:1-5,
2 Timothy 3:14-15
In our last lesson, we examined how we can beautifully portray biblical womanhood in the church. Today, we’ll finish up our section on biblical womanhood in the church by looking at how godly women can beautifully proclaim the Word of God in the Body of Christ.
Questions to Consider
1. Briefly review lessons 14-15 (links above), noting the instructions God has given to and about women regarding our role in the church. What are the do’s and don’ts God has laid out for us, especially in 1 Timothy 2:12, regarding teaching and authority in the gathered Body of Believers (the church)?
2. Examine the first two passages (Titus 2:1-10 and 2 Timothy 2:15) of Scripture. Recalling that these books are pastoral epistles, to whom are these instructions primarily addressed? To which venue (home, marketplace, church, etc.) do these instructions primarily apply?
In the Titus 2:1-10 passage, the Holy Spirit gives instructions for which individuals (Titus 2:1, Titus 2:7-8)/groups (Titus 2:2, Titus 2:3, Titus 2:4-5, Titus 2:6, Titus 2:9-10)?
Examine the instructions for Titus and for each group. Are they instructed to be something (character), or do something (actions), or both?
Why does God instruct Titus and these groups to be and do these things?
What is the point of all this godly character and behavior? (“so that”: Titus 2:5b, Titus 2:8b, Titus 2:10b)
Who, in the Titus 2:1-10 passage, is instructed to “teach”? (Titus 2:1, & Titus 2:7, Titus 2:3-4)
Why do you think God singles out only the pastor and older women with the instruction to teach and train?
Who is the pastor to teach?
Who are older women to teach and train? (Titus 2:4)
Using the context of these verses, what age or station in life would you infer this passage means by “older
Using the context of these verses, what age or station in life would you infer this passage means by“Young” women?
If it is the responsibility of older women to teach and train young women, what is the responsibility of the young women?
Examine Titus 2:3 carefully. Is this a “do” verse or a “be” verse, or both?
Which instruction comes first, “be” (character) or “do” (action)?
Would it be biblically accurate to say that older women without the godly character described in the first part of Titus 2:3 should not be doing the action (teaching) in the last part of Titus 2:3 – that godly character is a prerequisite for teaching younger women?
Examine Titus 2:3b-4a: “They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women…”. Does this sound like a command, or is it optional/a suggestion?
If it is a command, doesn’t that make the character instructions in Titus 2:3a a command as well?
Take a moment to prayerfully evaluate yourself. How are you doing on the “be” and “do” of Titus 2:3-4? (saying "I don't know" won't work lol. There's nothing wrong or sinful about speaking the truth that you are doing or being a certain way, because we both know it's with God's help.)
As you continue to examine Titus 2:3b-4a- is there a difference between “teaching” and “training“?
Could it be biblically accurate to say that teaching is to impart knowledge, and training is to show someone how to apply that knowledge to real life situations? (For example, teaching someone the rules and regulations of basketball in a classroom-type setting, versus putting that person on a basketball court and training her to apply those rules with basketball in hand.)
Which comes first in Titus 2:3b-4a, teaching or training?
What does Titus 2:3b say older women are to teach?
What do Titus 2:4a-5a say older women are to train younger women to be and do?
Is it possible to train Christian women “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands,” without first teaching them “what is good” – what the Bible says about how to do these things and why they should do them?
Is it wise to attempt to train Christian women in these things without basing them in Scripture?
Even though 2 Timothy 2:15 is primarily addressed to pastors, does it still apply to others who teach God’s Word?
How should 2 Timothy 2:15 inform your teaching and training of younger women?
Whose approval should you be seeking when handling God’s Word?
What does 2 Timothy 2:15 mean when it says “Do your best” so you will have “no need to be ashamed”?
What does it mean to “rightly handle the Word of Truth”?
3. Carefully read the 2 Timothy 3:1-9 passage. How does the Holy Spirit describe people’s attitudes and actions during the last days? (2 Timothy 3:2-5)
Considering what He says these people will do in 2 Timothy 3:5-6a, are the people He’s describing in 2 Timothy 3:2-5 Christians or non-Christians?
Church-goers or non-church-goers?
What does it mean to have the appearance of godliness, but deny its power? (2 Timothy 3:5a)
How does 2 Timothy 3:8-9 describe these same people from 2 Timothy 3:5a?
What term might we use for people like this today?
How are we to regard such people? (2 Timothy 3:5b)
Why are we to “avoid such people” (2 Timothy 3:5b),
and who are “them” (2 Timothy 3:6a)?
Why does 2 Timothy 3:6 specify “weak women” instead of saying “men” or “people”?
How does 2 Timothy 3:6-7 describe these at-risk women?
If the (2 Timothy 3:1-9) weak woman, unable to arrive at a knowledge of the truth and captured by false teachers who oppose the truth, is one of the (Titus 2:1-10) young women in the church, is she going to have a truthful, biblical understanding of how and why “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands”?
How can the (Titus 2) older woman “rightly handle the Word of Truth” and “teach what is good” to this younger woman?
What sorts of good things from Scripture would this older woman need to teach the younger woman?
Have you ever seen a scenario like this in your church?
How would you apply the Scriptures we’re looking at to that scenario?
4. Look at the final three passages (1 Timothy 2:15, 2 Timothy 1:1-5 & 2 Timothy 3:14-15). Besides women, what is another part of the church whom women are uniquely gifted to teach? (You may wish to go back to lesson 14 and re-read the paragraph near the end of the lesson which begins with, “Verse 15 can be a little cryptic…”. ).
Who were Lois and Eunice? (2 Timothy 1:5)
To which child did they teach the Scriptures? (2 Timothy 1:2, 2 Timothy 3:15)
What did he go on to do as an adult?
Who are some other men from Scripture who had mothers who trained them in godliness?
Describe the impact Christian women can have on the church by training children in godliness and the Word.
5. Considering all of today’s passages, which two groups of people in the church has God blessed women to proclaim the Word to?
If women were not teaching other women and children in the church, would the church be healthy?
Homework
Egalitarians often cite the women listed in Romans 16 and Priscilla and Aquila’s conversation with Apollos as evidence that God is OK with women preaching or instructing men in the church.
How would you answer this argument?
Examine both passages. Does Romans 16 say any of the women listed taught or preached?
Was Priscilla’s and Aquila’s private conversation with Apollos the same as Priscilla teaching or preaching to the gathered Body of Believers?
Would Paul have commended any of these women in Romans 16 if they had disobeyed his instructions in 1 Timothy 2:12?
Suggested Memory Verse
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
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Post by Cindy on Feb 20, 2019 10:45:57 GMT -5
THank you
I am not sure why
I didn't think to make the lists like you suggested duh
I tried also using 2 different fonts
Like that helped
NOT
I am glad you reminded me about one thing I forgot: 😊
"they taught the Gospel and all of God's Word to people"
I will look at the questions and see how 'hard' they look ha
and let you know. 😋
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Post by Cindy on Mar 8, 2019 11:41:56 GMT -5
I want to repost this one so we don't forget to do it, then I'll post the next one which is the last one in the study. Having looked at the last study, you might want to take a weekend and go over everything we've studied so far in this just to refresh your memory before you do the last lesson (lesson 17). We just finished lesson 15 and I've now seen that there are only two more studies in this series left. So we're almost done! I'm going to break these questions down and skip a line between each question for you to make it easier.
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 16- A Beautiful Proclamation in the Church by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
Titus 2:1-10,
2 Timothy 2:15,
2 Timothy 3:1-9,
1 Timothy 2:15,
2 Timothy 1:1-5,
2 Timothy 3:14-15
In our last lesson, we examined how we can beautifully portray biblical womanhood in the church. Today, we’ll finish up our section on biblical womanhood in the church by looking at how godly women can beautifully proclaim the Word of God in the Body of Christ.
Questions to Consider
1. Briefly review lessons 14-15 (links above), noting the instructions God has given to and about women regarding our role in the church. What are the do’s and don’ts God has laid out for us, especially in 1 Timothy 2:12, regarding teaching and authority in the gathered Body of Believers (the church)?
2. Examine the first two passages (Titus 2:1-10 and 2 Timothy 2:15) of Scripture. Recalling that these books are pastoral epistles, to whom are these instructions primarily addressed? To which venue (home, marketplace, church, etc.) do these instructions primarily apply?
In the Titus 2:1-10 passage, the Holy Spirit gives instructions for which individuals (Titus 2:1, Titus 2:7-8)/groups (Titus 2:2, Titus 2:3, Titus 2:4-5, Titus 2:6, Titus 2:9-10)?
Examine the instructions for Titus and for each group. Are they instructed to be something (character), or do something (actions), or both?
Why does God instruct Titus and these groups to be and do these things?
What is the point of all this godly character and behavior? (“so that”: Titus 2:5b, Titus 2:8b, Titus 2:10b)
Who, in the Titus 2:1-10 passage, is instructed to “teach”? (Titus 2:1, & Titus 2:7, Titus 2:3-4)
Why do you think God singles out only the pastor and older women with the instruction to teach and train?
Who is the pastor to teach?
Who are older women to teach and train? (Titus 2:4)
Using the context of these verses, what age or station in life would you infer this passage means by “older
Using the context of these verses, what age or station in life would you infer this passage means by“Young” women?
If it is the responsibility of older women to teach and train young women, what is the responsibility of the young women?
Examine Titus 2:3 carefully. Is this a “do” verse or a “be” verse, or both?
Which instruction comes first, “be” (character) or “do” (action)?
Would it be biblically accurate to say that older women without the godly character described in the first part of Titus 2:3 should not be doing the action (teaching) in the last part of Titus 2:3 – that godly character is a prerequisite for teaching younger women?
Examine Titus 2:3b-4a: “They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women…”. Does this sound like a command, or is it optional/a suggestion?
If it is a command, doesn’t that make the character instructions in Titus 2:3a a command as well?
Take a moment to prayerfully evaluate yourself. How are you doing on the “be” and “do” of Titus 2:3-4? (saying "I don't know" won't work lol. There's nothing wrong or sinful about speaking the truth that you are doing or being a certain way, because we both know it's with God's help.)
As you continue to examine Titus 2:3b-4a- is there a difference between “teaching” and “training“?
Could it be biblically accurate to say that teaching is to impart knowledge, and training is to show someone how to apply that knowledge to real life situations? (For example, teaching someone the rules and regulations of basketball in a classroom-type setting, versus putting that person on a basketball court and training her to apply those rules with basketball in hand.)
Which comes first in Titus 2:3b-4a, teaching or training?
What does Titus 2:3b say older women are to teach?
What do Titus 2:4a-5a say older women are to train younger women to be and do?
Is it possible to train Christian women “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands,” without first teaching them “what is good” – what the Bible says about how to do these things and why they should do them?
Is it wise to attempt to train Christian women in these things without basing them in Scripture?
Even though 2 Timothy 2:15 is primarily addressed to pastors, does it still apply to others who teach God’s Word?
How should 2 Timothy 2:15 inform your teaching and training of younger women?
Whose approval should you be seeking when handling God’s Word?
What does 2 Timothy 2:15 mean when it says “Do your best” so you will have “no need to be ashamed”?
What does it mean to “rightly handle the Word of Truth”?
3. Carefully read the 2 Timothy 3:1-9 passage. How does the Holy Spirit describe people’s attitudes and actions during the last days? (2 Timothy 3:2-5)
Considering what He says these people will do in 2 Timothy 3:5-6a, are the people He’s describing in 2 Timothy 3:2-5 Christians or non-Christians?
Church-goers or non-church-goers?
What does it mean to have the appearance of godliness, but deny its power? (2 Timothy 3:5a)
How does 2 Timothy 3:8-9 describe these same people from 2 Timothy 3:5a?
What term might we use for people like this today?
How are we to regard such people? (2 Timothy 3:5b)
Why are we to “avoid such people” (2 Timothy 3:5b),
and who are “them” (2 Timothy 3:6a)?
Why does 2 Timothy 3:6 specify “weak women” instead of saying “men” or “people”?
How does 2 Timothy 3:6-7 describe these at-risk women?
If the (2 Timothy 3:1-9) weak woman, unable to arrive at a knowledge of the truth and captured by false teachers who oppose the truth, is one of the (Titus 2:1-10) young women in the church, is she going to have a truthful, biblical understanding of how and why “to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands”?
How can the (Titus 2) older woman “rightly handle the Word of Truth” and “teach what is good” to this younger woman?
What sorts of good things from Scripture would this older woman need to teach the younger woman?
Have you ever seen a scenario like this in your church?
How would you apply the Scriptures we’re looking at to that scenario?
4. Look at the final three passages (1 Timothy 2:15, 2 Timothy 1:1-5 & 2 Timothy 3:14-15). Besides women, what is another part of the church whom women are uniquely gifted to teach? (You may wish to go back to lesson 14 and re-read the paragraph near the end of the lesson which begins with, “Verse 15 can be a little cryptic…”. ).
Who were Lois and Eunice? (2 Timothy 1:5)
To which child did they teach the Scriptures? (2 Timothy 1:2, 2 Timothy 3:15)
What did he go on to do as an adult?
Who are some other men from Scripture who had mothers who trained them in godliness?
Describe the impact Christian women can have on the church by training children in godliness and the Word.
5. Considering all of today’s passages, which two groups of people in the church has God blessed women to proclaim the Word to?
If women were not teaching other women and children in the church, would the church be healthy?
Homework
Egalitarians often cite the women listed in Romans 16 and Priscilla and Aquila’s conversation with Apollos as evidence that God is OK with women preaching or instructing men in the church.
How would you answer this argument?
Examine both passages. Does Romans 16 say any of the women listed taught or preached?
Was Priscilla’s and Aquila’s private conversation with Apollos the same as Priscilla teaching or preaching to the gathered Body of Believers?
Would Paul have commended any of these women in Romans 16 if they had disobeyed his instructions in 1 Timothy 2:12?
Suggested Memory Verse
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
Read These Selected Scriptures
Proverbs 31:10-31
It’s been a beautiful 17 weeks studying biblical womanhood with you! Today, we’re bringing things to a close as we reflect on all we’ve learned. Links to all previous lessons are located above.
Questions to Consider
1. We started this study by looking at the Proverbs 31 woman (lessons 2-3), often considered the icon of biblical womanhood. In subsequent lessons, we tried to answer the question, “If the Proverbs 31 woman really is the ideal to attain to, how do we get there from here?”. And we’re finishing up today by looking back again at the Proverbs 31 woman. Is she really the quintessential picture of biblical womanhood?
How do all the other Scriptures we’ve studied flesh out the ideal described in Proverbs 31?
2. What does Proverbs 31:10 mean?
Consider Proverbs 31:10 in light of lessons 4-6. How does the fact that you were uniquely created by God (4), that your identity is found in Christ (5), and that you are a vital member of the Body of Christ (6), provide a foundation to build on for becoming the rare, excellent, godly woman?
3. Examine Proverbs 31:11-12 in light of lesson 11. What are some of the ways you can be obedient to Scripture that will enable you to do your husband good and not harm, benefit him, and enable his heart to trust in you?
4. Consider Proverbs 31:17 in light of lessons 7-9. How do knowing and loving God’s Word (7), obeying God’s Word (8), and sharing the gospel (9), dress you with strength and make your arms strong?
5. What is the general motif of Proverbs 31:17, Proverbs 31:22, Proverbs 31:25? Compare these verses to the concept of “adorning” we studied in lesson 15. With what “clothing” should a godly woman “dress” or adorn herself?
6. Examine Proverbs 31:26 in light of lessons 13-16. How can we open our mouths with wisdom and teach kindly through our position in the church (14), our portrayal of biblical womanhood in the church (15), and our proclamation of God’s Word (16) in the church?
What are the unique opportunities single women (13) have to teach and model wisdom and kindness in the church?
7. Examine Proverbs 31:27-28 in light of lessons 10-13. How can we diligently look well to the ways of our households and families as daughters (10), wives (11), mothers (12), and single women (13)?
8. (these are the most important questions of the whole study! So please, take your time and give a thorough answer to these questions!)
In what specific areas has God grown you in biblical womanhood during the course of this study?
What would you say was your most important takeaway from this study?
Homework
Go back over the questions in the “Expectations and Presuppositions” section of lesson 1. Have any of your answers changed? How or why? Did you get out of this study what you were hoping to get out of this study (#6)? Explain.
Suggested Memory Verse
Give her of the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the gates. Proverbs 31:31
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
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Post by fearnot on Mar 9, 2019 12:26:35 GMT -5
Question 1
1. Briefly review lessons 14-15 (links above), noting the instructions God has given to and about women regarding our role in the church. What are the do’s and don’ts God has laid out for us, especially in 1 Timothy 2:12, regarding teaching and authority in the gathered Body of Believers (the church)?
Woman are not to teach men ( or be the 'pastor') in church.
They can however, teach children in Sunday school
or just woman in a Bible study class
She is to pay respectful attention to the pastor's teaching of the Word of God, the Bible.
She is not to be loud, boisterous, gossiping etc.
But rather have a gentle quite, peaceful, serious attitude ( well unless the pastor cracks a funny joke LOL).
She can be given to hospitality ( greeting new believers and old before church starts, like at the door, or serving coffee, etc.)
She should demonstrate her attitude of submission to God's ordained leadership, roles, authority etc. in church.
At no time is she a doormat, less intelligent, capable or anything else, but as in the military, government, business etc etc. someone has to make the final decisions and so on, God is the ultimate, and God is the head of man, and the man of a woman, etc.
Woman can pray in church.
Even Jesus when on earth, submitted to God the Father, it is never wrong or degrading to follow Jesus.
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Post by fearnot on Mar 10, 2019 17:48:48 GMT -5
Question 2
This is pretty big, so I will divide it into a couple of days study.
2. Examine the first two passages (Titus 2:1-10 and 2 Timothy 2:15) of Scripture. Recalling that these books are pastoral epistles, to whom are these instructions primarily addressed? To which venue (home, marketplace, church, etc.) do these instructions primarily apply?
Answer:
Pastors in a church venue
In the Titus 2:1-10 passage, the Holy Spirit gives instructions for which individuals (Titus 2:1, Titus 2:7-8)/groups (Titus 2:2, Titus 2:3, Titus 2:4-5, Titus 2:6, Titus 2:9-10)?
Answer:
Titus 2:1 Pastor/teacher
Titus 2:2 older men
Titus 2:3 older women
Titus 2:4-5 younger women
Titus 2:6 young men
Titus 2:9-10 slaves ( also would apply to servants/workers)
Examine the instructions for Titus and for each group. Are they instructed to be something (character), or do something (actions), or both?
Answer:
both
Why does God instruct Titus and these groups to be and do these things?
Answer:
Pastor/teacher:
teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine
older men:
be temperate,
worthy of respect,
self-controlled,
and sound in faith,
in love and in endurance
older women:
be reverent in the way they live,
not to be slanderers
or addicted to much wine,
but to teach what is good.
younger women:
younger women love their husbands and children,
be self-controlled and pure,
be busy at home,
be kind,
be subject to their husbands
young men:
self-controlled
In everything set them an example by doing what is good
In your teaching show integrity,
seriousness
soundness of speech
slaves ( servants/workers):
be subject to their masters in everything,
to try to please them,
not to talk back to them,
and not to steal from them,
but to show that they can be fully trusted
What is the point of all this godly character and behavior? (“so that”: Titus 2:5b, Titus 2:8b, Titus 2:10b)
Answer:
so that no one will malign the word of God
they have nothing bad to say about us
in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
Who, in the Titus 2:1-10 passage, is instructed to “teach”? (Titus 2:1, & Titus 2:7, Titus 2:3-4)
Answer:
Pastors
older women
Why do you think God singles out only the pastor and older women with the instruction to teach and train?
Answer:
I can only take a stab and guess
Perhaps because it is the pastor's calling?
And maybe older woman have the time, plus, they have done a lot of training and teaching children in their lives?
Who is the pastor to teach?
Answer:
older men
older women
young men
slaves
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Post by fearnot on Mar 11, 2019 11:28:20 GMT -5
Continued Question 2
As it turns out, I may take 3 days to answer question 2, it is one of the longest or biggest questions yet LOL
Who are older women to teach and train? (Titus 2:4)
Answer:
the younger women
Using the context of these verses, what age or station in life would you infer this passage means by “older” women?
Answer:
I would say, maybe, in general, from 60 years and up. Woman who are done raising their own children, and are perhaps even widowed.
Using the context of these verses, what age or station in life would you infer this passage means by“Young” women?
Answer;
Woman just married and/or starting to raise their children.
If it is the responsibility of older women to teach and train young women, what is the responsibility of the young women?
Answer:
First would be to listen and then prayerful obey with the Holy spirit's help....
to love their husbands and children
be self-controlled and pure,
to be busy at home,
to be kind,
be subject to their husbands
Examine Titus 2:3 carefully. Is this a “do” verse or a “be” verse, or both?
Answer:
both
'be' reverent in the way they live
'not to be' slanderers or addicted to much wine
Do: teach what is good
Which instruction comes first, “be” (character) or “do” (action)?
Answer:
The 'Character' 'be'
The the action 'do'
Would it be biblically accurate to say that older women without the godly character described in the first part of Titus 2:3 should not be doing the action (teaching) in the last part of Titus 2:3 – that godly character is a prerequisite for teaching younger women?
Answer:
yes, if they are without godly character they should not be teaching, even if they had good head knowledge, they would not be taken seriously because they would be hypocrites.
Examine Titus 2:3b-4a: “They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women…”. Does this sound like a command, or is it optional/a suggestion?
Answer:
It sounds like a command
I am thinking if it were a 'suggestion, it would have been worded something like:
They 'could', if they wanted or had time etc. teach.
If it is a command, doesn’t that make the character instructions in Titus 2:3a a command as well?
Answer
Yes, the character instructions are a command also.
It kind of reminds me of the verse:
‘Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy".
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Post by Cindy on Mar 11, 2019 12:33:38 GMT -5
Question 1
1. Briefly review lessons 14-15 (links above), noting the instructions God has given to and about women regarding our role in the church. What are the do’s and don’ts God has laid out for us, especially in 1 Timothy 2:12, regarding teaching and authority in the gathered Body of Believers (the church)?
Woman are not to teach men ( or be the 'pastor') in church.
They can however, teach children in Sunday school
or just woman in a Bible study class
She is to pay respectful attention to the pastor's teaching of the Word of God, the Bible.
She is not to be loud, boisterous, gossiping etc.
But rather have a gentle quite, peaceful, serious attitude ( well unless the pastor cracks a funny joke LOL).
She can be given to hospitality ( greeting new believers and old before church starts, like at the door, or serving coffee, etc.)
She should demonstrate her attitude of submission to God's ordained leadership, roles, authority etc. in church.
At no time is she a doormat, less intelligent, capable or anything else, but as in the military, government, business etc etc. someone has to make the final decisions and so on, God is the ultimate, and God is the head of man, and the man of a woman, etc.
Woman can pray in church.
Even Jesus when on earth, submitted to God the Father, it is never wrong or degrading to follow Jesus.
Question 2
This is pretty big, so I will divide it into a couple of days study.
2. Examine the first two passages (Titus 2:1-10 and 2 Timothy 2:15) of Scripture. Recalling that these books are pastoral epistles, to whom are these instructions primarily addressed? To which venue (home, marketplace, church, etc.) do these instructions primarily apply?
Answer:
Pastors in a church venue
In the Titus 2:1-10 passage, the Holy Spirit gives instructions for which individuals (Titus 2:1, Titus 2:7-8)/groups (Titus 2:2, Titus 2:3, Titus 2:4-5, Titus 2:6, Titus 2:9-10)?
Answer:
Titus 2:1 Pastor/teacher
Titus 2:2 older men
Titus 2:3 older women
Titus 2:4-5 younger women
Titus 2:6 young men
Titus 2:9-10 slaves ( also would apply to servants/workers)
Examine the instructions for Titus and for each group. Are they instructed to be something (character), or do something (actions), or both?
Answer:
both
Why does God instruct Titus and these groups to be and do these things?
Answer:
Pastor/teacher:
teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine
older men:
be temperate,
worthy of respect,
self-controlled,
and sound in faith,
in love and in endurance
older women:
be reverent in the way they live,
not to be slanderers
or addicted to much wine,
but to teach what is good.
younger women:
younger women love their husbands and children,
be self-controlled and pure,
be busy at home,
be kind,
be subject to their husbands
young men:
self-controlled
In everything set them an example by doing what is good
In your teaching show integrity,
seriousness
soundness of speech
slaves ( servants/workers):
be subject to their masters in everything,
to try to please them,
not to talk back to them,
and not to steal from them,
but to show that they can be fully trusted
What is the point of all this godly character and behavior? (“so that”: Titus 2:5b, Titus 2:8b, Titus 2:10b)
Answer:
so that no one will malign the word of God
they have nothing bad to say about us
in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
Who, in the Titus 2:1-10 passage, is instructed to “teach”? (Titus 2:1, & Titus 2:7, Titus 2:3-4)
Answer:
Pastors
older women
Why do you think God singles out only the pastor and older women with the instruction to teach and train?
Answer:
I can only take a stab and guess
Perhaps because it is the pastor's calling?
And maybe older woman have the time, plus, they have done a lot of training and teaching children in their lives?
Who is the pastor to teach?
Answer:
older men
older women
young men
slaves
Barbara, look at the question: Why does God instruct Titus and these groups to be and do these things? You answered it as though it said, "What does God instruct" instead of "Why does God instruct". I'm afraid you'll have to re-do that one.
Your answer to Why do you think God singles out only the pastor and older women with the instruction to teach and train? is a good one, but you should also include what the Bible says about older women (which assumes they've been saved a long time) So assuming that, an older woman (or man for that matter) is considered to be wise. “Is not wisdom found among the aged? Does not long life bring understanding?” (Job 12:12) “Gray hair is a crown of splendor; it is attained by a righteous life.” (Proverbs 16:31)
As for Who is the pastor to teach? , again your answer is right, but you could simply say, "everyone".
Continued Question 2
As it turns out, I may take 3 days to answer question 2, it is one of the longest or biggest questions yet LOL
Who are older women to teach and train? (Titus 2:4)
Answer:
the younger women
Using the context of these verses, what age or station in life would you infer this passage means by “older” women?
Answer:
I would say, maybe, in general, from 60 years and up. Woman who are done raising their own children, and are perhaps even widowed.
Using the context of these verses, what age or station in life would you infer this passage means by“Young” women?
Answer;
Woman just married and/or starting to raise their children.
If it is the responsibility of older women to teach and train young women, what is the responsibility of the young women?
Answer:
First would be to listen and then prayerful obey with the Holy spirit's help....
to love their husbands and children
be self-controlled and pure,
to be busy at home,
to be kind,
be subject to their husbands
Examine Titus 2:3 carefully. Is this a “do” verse or a “be” verse, or both?
Answer:
both
'be' reverent in the way they live
'not to be' slanderers or addicted to much wine
Do: teach what is good
Which instruction comes first, “be” (character) or “do” (action)?
Answer:
The 'Character' 'be'
The the action 'do'
Would it be biblically accurate to say that older women without the godly character described in the first part of Titus 2:3 should not be doing the action (teaching) in the last part of Titus 2:3 – that godly character is a prerequisite for teaching younger women?
Answer:
yes, if they are without godly character they should not be teaching, even if they had good head knowledge, they would not be taken seriously because they would be hypocrites.
Examine Titus 2:3b-4a: “They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women…”. Does this sound like a command, or is it optional/a suggestion?
Answer:
It sounds like a command
I am thinking if it were a 'suggestion, it would have been worded something like:
They 'could', if they wanted or had time etc. teach.
If it is a command, doesn’t that make the character instructions in Titus 2:3a a command as well?
Answer
Yes, the character instructions are a command also.
It kind of reminds me of the verse:
‘Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy".
As far as putting ages on who's to teach who when, I'm not sure we can do that now days. I'd say that anyone who's children are adults can teach the younger women, and that younger women are those who have children still at home. Even if their children are teens, they will still need help to learn how to be a Christian mother, if they weren't saved when their children were younger. It was hard for me because my kids often said I wasn't being fair because I let their older sister or brother do things that I wouldn't allow them to do. I had to explain it was because now that I was saved, I knew those things were wrong, so I couldn't allow them to do them now....
In the question: Which instruction comes first, “be” (character) or “do” (action)? Your Answer was:
The 'Character' 'be'
The the action 'do'
I think you meant that the character "be" is first and then the action "do", right? Because they way it's written it looks like you're saying both can come first....
You're doing very well!
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fearnot
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Post by fearnot on Mar 11, 2019 20:34:26 GMT -5
I kind of couldn't think because "Why does God instruct?"
Seemed to be the same answer as the answer to the next question
What is the point of all this godly character and behavior?
In other words the answer 'seemed' to be the same????
Answer: so that no one will malign the word of God
they have nothing bad to say about us
in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
When I wrote:
The 'Character' 'be'
The(N) the action 'do'
There was suppose to be THEN
the action do.....
I had a typo and forgot the n.
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