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Post by Cindy on Oct 30, 2018 10:07:35 GMT -5
Your thoughtful, kind, compassionate ( and a wee bit funny....how I was in effect thinking, I was stronger than God!) encouragement was so sweet and helpful, it brought tears to my eyes.
Because I have continued to berate myself about my foolishness.....but I was so uplifted by your response.
I did laugh when you said, he probably didn't get passed the first page....no doubt his eyes glazed over if he tried to read it....and even if he somehow did read it all, I doubt, he would have remembered much of it....
I just think, of when I read the most important words in all the world, the Bible... I have to stay in it daily, and even then, I find I 'forget' some of what I read....but because it is sooooo powerful, and does come back tome when I need it most, I am delighted to continue to read the Bible.
So yeah, to have even read all of that once, it is most unlikely he would have read it more than once, since, it wasn't even, really from me, but was mostly quotes from an author.
I do wish I had given him some positive outlook on Jesus, but then you are right, there are children, who had the kindest, most caring, Christian parents, who gave excellent gospel messages to their children, and the kids walked away.....
I am thinking of some popular rock singers of today that were brought up in Christian homes, and they hate God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Bible.
They do every sinful thing they can to mock God ( and their parents).
So it would not have been a for sure thing, even if I had done most everything right.
Thank you so much for taking time to write and encourage and uplift me!!!  You're very welcome! I'm glad it made you smile and even laugh! That makes my day too! If this is something you think you might ever start thinking about again, then feel free to copy what I wrote into your notebook, so you'll have it to remind you of the Truth about it.
Question 1
What is another aspect of our identity in Christ?
Answer: we were all baptized into one body...we are many (parts/people) but one body of Christ
 Question 2. According to the Colossians passages, what is another name for the “body”?
Answer: The Church
Look up the word “church” in a concordance. What is the first verse in the Bible to mention the word “church”?
Answer:
Matthew 16:18
Who spoke this verse? In what ways does this verse demonstrate that Jesus is the founder, builder, owner, and sustainer of the church?
I am not sure I understand exactly what she is asking ( I've noticed I have been having that problem with....what? 1/4 or so of the questions? Anyway, I will make a stab at it, and I think you will be able to tell me what I am missing.
Answer: Jesus spoke the verse.
He is He is the beginning = the founder and builder
He is the head of the body, the church = He is the owner
He is preeminent = sustainer
“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” (Matthew 16:18)
Yes, Jesus said this. This verse shows He is the founder (a person who establishes something) and the builder of the church because the verse says that He will build it, not someone else, and not any person. It shows Jesus owns the Church, again because He is the founder and builder and He did not say He would give it to anyone else. The verse also shows us that it is Jesus who sustains the Church since He is the one who will prevent anything from overcoming it.
Your answer was good and true, but it didn't come from just this verse, which is what she asked.
Questions 3. There are two different ways the term “church” is most frequently used in the Bible and by Christians today: a) the church catholic (small “c”, not Roman Catholic) or universal, and b) the local church. What is the difference between these terms? Describe your membership as a Believer in both the church catholic and the local church.
Answer: The universal would ( I think) include every believer there was, is now, and will be in the future, no matter where in the world they lived or live.
The local church would be those believers that go to a single church in a specific area ( town, city etc.).
 We ( Leonard, Devon, and I got baptized today....I am happy we did so. Hossanah and Devon's sister came to church to watch it also, which was nice.
When I saw what the questions were for today, I had to almost laugh...who knew? Oh yes, that's right, God did....He knew I got baptized yesterday, so perfect timing for the Baptism questions!!
Question 4.
How do you become a member of the church catholic? (1 Corinthians 12:13)
Answer:
When I trusted/believed in Jesus work on the cross, dying to pay for my all my sins...I became a member of the church catholic.
Is this baptism at the moment of salvation visible or invisible? Spiritual or tangible?
Answer: invisible and spiritual
How does visible water baptism into membership in the visible local church outwardly symbolize your invisible baptism in the Holy Spirit into the invisible church catholic?
Answer:
Being totally immersed into the water, symbolizes dying to my old sinful self with Jesus on the cross, and coming up out of the water is symbolic of being raised to new spiritual life in Christ Jesus.
Have you been baptized as your first step into local church membership?
Answer: Yes, yesterday
Why were you baptized, or why haven’t you been baptized?
Answer: I wanted to be obedient to Jesus and publicly show my love for Him and what He has done for me.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 30, 2018 10:58:11 GMT -5
Question 5.
Consider the metaphor of individual Christians as “body parts” (1 Corinthians 12, Romans 12) in terms of actual parts of a human body. Explain the metaphor in detail – how are the parts connected to the body?
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Foot: The feet gets the believer to where the Lord wants them to be in order to do what Jesus wants to be done:
Let us walk properly as in the daytime..." "....walking in love" Romans 13:13 & Romans 14:15
hands: does the 'work' Jesus wants done....be it in prayer, giving the gospel, or helping the needy etc.
"Therefore lift your drooping hands..." Hebrews 12;12
I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling" I timothy 2:8
".....doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need." Ephesians 4:28
Ears: With our ears we hear the Word of God ( the Bible), we also can hear of someone's need, so that if possible we might be able to fulfill it or pray for them.
Eyes: with the eyes we can see what needs to be done, or hurting people, walk in the light and avoid sin/danger, see Godly behavior etc.
"keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us." Philippians 3:17
"My eyes are ever toward the Lord, for he will pluck my feet out of the net." Psalm 25:15
I was eyes to the blind and feet to the lame. Job: 29:15
Head: With our minds we can think God's thoughts, take sinful thoughts captive, we would aim for having the opposite of psalm 10:4 which says God is not in all his thoughts.....we would aim to keep God in all our thoughts.
"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." Philippians 4:8
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," 2 Corinthians 10:4
Weaker parts:
I am thinking this is in part our reproductive organs (?), and we aim to be fruitful and multiple if possible. [/b]
How/where do the parts get their nourishment?
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Answer: from God's Word the Bible, Jesus is the 'vine' who nourishes us and we are the branches. [/b]
How do the parts know what to do and when to do it?
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Answer: God gives us direction from His Word the Bible and the Holy Spirit puts it on our heart to act. [/b]
How can the parts help or hinder other parts and the body as a whole?
Answer: Any of them can determine not to obey or delay, or even to sin, on the other hand they can obey.
Who/what is the “command center” of the body?
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The head.....
but believers have the Holy Spirit, and Christ is the head of the church ( which is the body of believers).
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Post by Cindy on Oct 31, 2018 11:52:39 GMT -5
Answer:
Foot: The feet gets the believer to where the Lord wants them to be in order to do what Jesus wants to be done:
Let us walk properly as in the daytime..." "....walking in love" Romans 13:13 & Romans 14:15
hands: does the 'work' Jesus wants done....be it in prayer, giving the gospel, or helping the needy etc.
"Therefore lift your drooping hands..." Hebrews 12;12
I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling" I timothy 2:8
".....doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need." Ephesians 4:28
Ears: With our ears we hear the Word of God ( the Bible), we also can hear of someone's need, so that if possible we might be able to fulfill it or pray for them.
Eyes: with the eyes we can see what needs to be done, or hurting people, walk in the light and avoid sin/danger, see Godly behavior etc.
"keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us." Philippians 3:17
"My eyes are ever toward the Lord, for he will pluck my feet out of the net." Psalm 25:15
I was eyes to the blind and feet to the lame. Job: 29:15
Head: With our minds we can think God's thoughts, take sinful thoughts captive, we would aim for having the opposite of psalm 10:4 which says God is not in all his thoughts.....we would aim to keep God in all our thoughts.
"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." Philippians 4:8
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," 2 Corinthians 10:4
Weaker parts:
I am thinking this is in part our reproductive organs (?), and we aim to be fruitful and multiple if possible.
How/where do the parts get their nourishment?
Answer: from God's Word the Bible, Jesus is the 'vine' who nourishes us and we are the branches.
How do the parts know what to do and when to do it?
Answer: God gives us direction from His Word the Bible and the Holy Spirit puts it on our heart to act.
How can the parts help or hinder other parts and the body as a whole?
Answer: Any of them can determine not to obey or delay, or even to sin, on the other hand they can obey.
Who/what is the “command center” of the body?
Answer:
The head.....
but believers have the Holy Spirit, and Christ is the head of the church ( which is the body of believers).
All your other answers were also very good and scriptural. I'm wondering however if you actually got those answers from 1 Cor 12 and Romans 12, or if you just gave the right answers from what you already knew from scripture? I could be wrong, but my understanding of the questions were that we were to get the answers from those two chapters. Again though, your answers were right, but if you had to get them from those two chapters, what would you say? I went through the chapters quickly and grabbed the scriptures that I thought might answer these questions, and many of the scriptures overlap the various questions....
How/where do the parts get their nourishment? “Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.” (Rom 12:2) “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.” (1 Cor 12:13) “so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.” (Rom 12:5) “If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?” (1 Cor 12:17) We get our nourishment from God's Word which renews our minds; and from the Holy Spirit; and from the other members of the Body of Christ.
How do the parts know what to do and when to do it? “Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.” (Rom 12:2) “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.” (1 Cor 12:13) When we spend time in God's Word daily, He shows us His Will for that day as well as for our lives. The Holy Spirit makes it clear to us.
How can the parts help or hinder other parts and the body as a whole? “... But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.” (1 Cor 12:24–27) “so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.” (Rom 12:5) “If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?” (1 Cor 12:17) “Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.” (1 Cor 12:7)
We tend to be very self centered (which is from our sin nature) but God tells us that now that we are part of the Body of Christ, that we all actually belong to each other. The only other time that kind of language is used is when it's referring to a marriage and saying that the two become one! Supernaturally, God has literally joined each of us to every single other member (past and present) in the Body of Christ. That's why we're told that if one person suffers, the other members suffer with it. We don't pay attention to that because we generally don't see that in this world - mainly because we really don't love one another the way the Lord commands us to. But although we don't see that working with our physical eyes, we do experience it spiritually whether we're aware of it or not. We have often desired an answer to a prayer, or encouragement, comfort, help, or even better understanding, not realizing that those are some (not all) of the many things that God gives us through other members of the Body of Christ. The opposite is also true - that we have things that God intends for us to give to other members of the Body as well. Therefore when we are not active in our local church, and when we are not loving the other members of the Body, we are withholding things that they need in their daily walk and not receiving the things that we need. On top of that, as a whole, the Body isn't being the witness to the world that the Lord intends it to be. Yet the Lord has said that He won't allow Satan to overcome the Body, (Matthew 16:18) and for that we are so grateful. Realizing how often and much we don't do the things we should, we also realize that this too is all of God because of His mercy, grace and love. For instance, when I was going to church regularly and was very involved with it, I still wasn't loving the other members. Now I love them and want to know them all much better, but can't go! So knowing the Lord is keeping the Body together, and not allowing any who belong to Him to be overcome by Satan is a wonderful promise.
Who/what is the “command center” of the body?
“Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.” (1 Cor 12:3) “There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.” (1 Cor 12:4–6) “But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.” (1 Cor 12:18) “... But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it,” (1 Cor 12:24) “And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.” (1 Cor 12:28) “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.” (1 Cor 12:13) As you said, the command center of the Body of Christ is the Triune God.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 31, 2018 12:47:28 GMT -5
Question 6.
What does 1 Corinthians 12:14-20 teach us about how we should view ourselves as a member of the body?
Answer:
We all have different gifts, abilities , skills, talents, experiences, drives, knowledge etc.
What is God’s purpose in teaching us this view of ourselves – to build up our egos?
Answer:
Not to build up our egos, because no one person can do it all because nobody has every thing, and they cannot relate to everybody. We with all our different gifts need each other.
Explain verse 18 as it applies to you and to other church members. What does 1 Corinthians 12:20-27 teach the church about how we should view individual members?
Answer: God choose each one of us (before Creation) and gave each of us were given the gifts and talents God wanted each one to have, so we should view member as a chosen child of God ( a brother or sister) that has been given exactly what the Lord wanted them to have and they are needed and we ought to love them and be grateful for them
What does it mean to be a church member who is “weaker” (22), “less honorable…unpresentable” (23)?
Answer:
Perhaps, they have come from a poor background with little education, or they led a very sinful past life, maybe they have a phyical or mental disability etc.
What provisions does God – and do we – make for those members? (23-24)
Answer: We treat them with honor, respect and love, as God does....( even if they might be grumpy, sharp tongued or something at times).
As part of the body that might be hurting ( for example if we had a hurt foot or hand, we would lavish great care to it, to ease the pain and in the purely physical world, we do it out of self love ),
but with a hurting or 'lesser' member, we give them greater love and care....and most likely in doing so, we might even get the greater benefit ( tho that is NOT why we would do so...we do it out of love)....because in the spiritual world they are a part of us.
How does this contribute to unity in the church? (25-26)
Answer:
We need every believer, because God choose each one for a reason.
Without them we would be lacking an essential part, that no one else could fill.....like if we lost a hand or a foot in the physical world.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 31, 2018 13:25:14 GMT -5
Thank you once again for showing me, what I did not quite get as to how to answer only from the specified verses....and yes, I was answering from what I already knew from scripture.
What you said about not always showing love to church members....reminded me of what happened after my baptism.
I had changed into dry clothes in the woman's bathroom, and in came a woman who said that my testimony had made her cry.
I was so stunned that all I said was thank you.
But she seemed so moved, that when I got home, I wished I had also given her a hug ( which would have been waaay out of my comfort zone).
However, I really felt ( when I got home) that is perhaps what I should have done....(maybe I should have asked if it would be alright first tho?)
But since I did not, I prayed for her at home.
I really did not say much which was another reason I was so surprised...
I had only said that after my first asking the Lord into my life at 12 in a few years I drifted away, in high school and in college, until I was immersed in the darkness of the 'hippie life style'.....but that the Lord kept wooing me, until the age of 40 when I came back and never left, and nothing can take His place ever.
It just seemed simple ( no details) straight forward, simple info.... never in my wildest dreams did I think, it would make someone cry?!
But I do remember the pastor saying that the congregation needed to hear (for their sake) a short testimony of how we came to Christ.
So you can see, I am far away from that kind of love....too self centered.
Still, at least, I am a tiny bit aware of the problem/sin.
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Post by Cindy on Nov 1, 2018 9:47:47 GMT -5
Question 6.
What does 1 Corinthians 12:14-20 teach us about how we should view ourselves as a member of the body?
Answer:
We all have different gifts, abilities , skills, talents, experiences, drives, knowledge etc.
What is God’s purpose in teaching us this view of ourselves – to build up our egos?
Answer:
Not to build up our egos, because no one person can do it all because nobody has every thing, and they cannot relate to everybody. We with all our different gifts need each other.
Explain verse 18 as it applies to you and to other church members. What does 1 Corinthians 12:20-27 teach the church about how we should view individual members?
Answer: God choose each one of us (before Creation) and gave each of us were given the gifts and talents God wanted each one to have, so we should view member as a chosen child of God ( a brother or sister) that has been given exactly what the Lord wanted them to have and they are needed and we ought to love them and be grateful for them
What does it mean to be a church member who is “weaker” (22), “less honorable…unpresentable” (23)?
Answer:
Perhaps, they have come from a poor background with little education, or they led a very sinful past life, maybe they have a phyical or mental disability etc.
What provisions does God – and do we – make for those members? (23-24)
Answer: We treat them with honor, respect and love, as God does....( even if they might be grumpy, sharp tongued or something at times).
As part of the body that might be hurting ( for example if we had a hurt foot or hand, we would lavish great care to it, to ease the pain and in the purely physical world, we do it out of self love ),
but with a hurting or 'lesser' member, we give them greater love and care....and most likely in doing so, we might even get the greater benefit ( tho that is NOT why we would do so...we do it out of love)....because in the spiritual world they are a part of us.
How does this contribute to unity in the church? (25-26)
Answer:
We need every believer, because God choose each one for a reason.
Without them we would be lacking an essential part, that no one else could fill.....like if we lost a hand or a foot in the physical world.
“Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body.” (1 Corinthians 12:14–20) Your answer: We all have different gifts, abilities , skills, talents, experiences, drives, knowledge etc.
The next question was based on your answer to the first question which wasn't right: What is God’s purpose in teaching us this view of ourselves – to build up our egos? You said: Not to build up our egos, (which is correct) because no one person can do it all because nobody has every thing, and they cannot relate to everybody. We with all our different gifts need each other.
Then comes this question: Explain verse 18 as it applies to you and to other church members. “But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.” (1 Corinthians 12:18) You got some of this one right but also added things that were not in the verse she asked about. The question continued: What does 1 Corinthians 12:20-27 teach the church about how we should view individual members? “As it is, there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.” (1 Cor 12:20–27) Not sure if you want to add anything to your answer as I'm unsure where the answer to the first question ended and the beginning of this part started. Your answer was: God choose each one of us (before Creation) and gave each of us were given the gifts and talents God wanted each one to have, so we should view member as a chosen child of God ( a brother or sister) that has been given exactly what the Lord wanted them to have and they are needed and we ought to love them and be grateful for them.
What does it mean to be a church member who is “weaker” (“On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,” 1 Corinthians 12:22), “less honorable…unpresentable” (“and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty,” (1 Corinthians 12:23) ? Your Answer was: Perhaps, they have come from a poor background with little education, or they led a very sinful past life, maybe they have a phyical or mental disability etc. I'm really surprised at your answer because your correctly identified what these verses were talking about earlier. Let me quote MacArthur for you about these: 1 Cor 12:22–24 Paul’s answer to the pride of the more visibly gifted was to engage his analogy again and remind them that the more fragile and less lovely, in fact, ugly parts of the body which are not publicly “presentable”(v. 24) are given the greater respect for their necessity. He spoke of the internal organs. The MacArthur study Bible. Others suggest that the weaker or unpresentable ones are speaking of our private parts.
What provisions does God – and do we – make for those members? “and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it,” (1 Corinthians 12:23–24) This first part of your answer was good: Answer: We treat them with honor, respect and love, as God does.... But then you added stuff from other verses and because your previous answer was wrong it colored what you said here too, which made this wrong too:
( even if they might be grumpy, sharp tongued or something at times).
As part of the body that might be hurting ( for example if we had a hurt foot or hand, we would lavish great care to it, to ease the pain and in the purely physical world, we do it out of self love ),
but with a hurting or 'lesser' member, we give them greater love and care....and most likely in doing so, we might even get the greater benefit ( tho that is NOT why we would do so...we do it out of love)....because in the spiritual world they are a part of us.
And here's the last question:
How does this contribute to unity in the church? (25-26)“so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.” (1 Corinthians 12:25–26)
It looks like you got your answer from the wrong scriptures again. What you said is true, but it's only part of what these particular scriptures are talking about. Answer: We need every believer, because God choose each one for a reason. Without them we would be lacking an essential part, that no one else could fill.....like if we lost a hand or a foot in the physical world.
Want to try it again?
Thank you once again for showing me, what I did not quite get as to how to answer only from the specified verses....and yes, I was answering from what I already knew from scripture.
What you said about not always showing love to church members....reminded me of what happened after my baptism.
I had changed into dry clothes in the woman's bathroom, and in came a woman who said that my testimony had made her cry.
I was so stunned that all I said was thank you.
But she seemed so moved, that when I got home, I wished I had also given her a hug ( which would have been waaay out of my comfort zone).
However, I really felt ( when I got home) that is perhaps what I should have done....(maybe I should have asked if it would be alright first tho?)
But since I did not, I prayed for her at home.
I really did not say much which was another reason I was so surprised...
I had only said that after my first asking the Lord into my life at 12 in a few years I drifted away, in high school and in college, until I was immersed in the darkness of the 'hippie life style'.....but that the Lord kept wooing me, until the age of 40 when I came back and never left, and nothing can take His place ever.
It just seemed simple ( no details) straight forward, simple info.... never in my wildest dreams did I think, it would make someone cry?!
But I do remember the pastor saying that the congregation needed to hear (for their sake) a short testimony of how we came to Christ.
So you can see, I am far away from that kind of love....too self centered.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 1, 2018 10:27:07 GMT -5
Well I would try again but I am not just getting it. I used the word 'gifts' but I was not thinking necessarily of the gifts of the spirit...which were not mentioned, like you said.
The only other word I can think of would maybe be different functions....like feet walk, hands carry, etc. but I am not sure that would be right either.
I am also thinking it shows we need each other....and tho we can be very different in our abilities, personalities ( tho it does not really say that) we can't dismiss a sister or brother because they are not like us, or feel superior and proud .
Is that closer??
But then I am not sure, because the 2nd question I would answer more or less the same, each person is needed so we can't be proud because maybe we like a foot travel everywhere for the Lord, and look down on the hand that 'ONLY" prays....????
But since you said, I did not understand the 2nd question ...I fear, I am just not getting it sigh!!
I am just missing it because I keep thinking it about needing every believer, and not being proud if I ( or someone else is
or seems...more 'gifted'?
I don't want you to get discourage because I continually don't seem to either read carefully, or simply am wrong.....don't start to feel leery of having to often correct me....( unless its too hard on you).
I know I am slow on the uptake, but you are helping me, so if you can, please continue...maybe, eventually, I will begin to get it.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 1, 2018 11:13:49 GMT -5
Question 7.
Consider the 1 Corinthians passage and the Romans passage together with regard to how individual members contribute to the workings of the Body. Describe the heart attitude God wants us to have, and the approach He wants us to take as we serve the church. How do the concepts of unity, cooperation, and humility flesh themselves out as we work with fellow church members to serve the Body?
Answer: With care, and love, gratefulness, knowing each believer has their part so we (I) are not to feel superior because one believer has a different function or gift or ability,
but rather be grateful that they can serve in a way I ( we) can't.
As individuals we want to have a humble loving servant's heart.
We need each other to be able to serve the Lord, and can cooperate, with humbleness.
We function the best when everyone can and does their part. We are all part of the body of Christ and so unity is essential, but not at the expense of trying to make everyone the same.
We have unity in the gospel , love for the Lord and each other and the lost. ( The goal is to do God's will).
We are actually dependent on even the 'lowest' member. God does not make mistakes, so tho we may not 'see' their use...at first, we need to be sure, we need their contribution and be thankful.
I need to stop here because Leonard just told me Devon got hurt on the playground so I may need to go over there ( after Leonard may have to take him to hospital/doctor.)
I need to get dressed and try to eat something.
Plus, I am not sure I am on the right track again.....I keep wondering because, it seems like the Roman passage is about 'gifts'? or am I on the wrong one....I have checked 3 times, but since I mention gifts before ( and did not even mean those gifts, but rather abilities or functions etc. LOL Now I am a little hesitant cuz I worry, I still am not reading carefully.
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Post by Cindy on Nov 2, 2018 11:45:19 GMT -5
Well I would try again but I am not just getting it. I used the word 'gifts' but I was not thinking necessarily of the gifts of the spirit...which were not mentioned, like you said.
The only other word I can think of would maybe be different functions....like feet walk, hands carry, etc. but I am not sure that would be right either.
I am also thinking it shows we need each other....and tho we can be very different in our abilities, personalities ( tho it does not really say that) we can't dismiss a sister or brother because they are not like us, or feel superior and proud .
Is that closer??
But then I am not sure, because the 2nd question I would answer more or less the same, each person is needed so we can't be proud because maybe we like a foot travel everywhere for the Lord, and look down on the hand that 'ONLY" prays....????
But since you said, I did not understand the 2nd question ...I fear, I am just not getting it sigh!!
I am just missing it because I keep thinking it about needing every believer, and not being proud if I ( or someone else is
or seems...more 'gifted'?
I don't want you to get discourage because I continually don't seem to either read carefully, or simply am wrong.....don't start to feel leery of having to often correct me....( unless its too hard on you).
I know I am slow on the uptake, but you are helping me, so if you can, please continue...maybe, eventually, I will begin to get it.
Look at the first question hon. Did you read the scripture? I ask because it says nothing about different gifts... What does 1 Cor 12:14-20 teach us about how we should view ourselves as a member of the body?
“Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body.” (1 Cor 12:14–20) Your answer: We all have different gifts, abilities , skills, talents, experiences, drives, knowledge etc. The question to start with was about you, not about everyone. These scriptures are showing us that no matter what we think of our spiritual maturity or immaturity or how gifted or not we are, or how much faith we have, that we are still a very important and necessary part of the Body of Christ. These scriptures are teaching us that God Himself has placed us exactly where He wants us to be, and given us the exact abilities, personality, characteristics, etc that He wants us to have, in the measure He wants us to have them and placed us in the local Body right where He wants us to be. It shows us yet again too, that it's really not all about us, but rather it's all about God and about the Body of Christ as a whole. In our country especially, we tend to see everything as about us as individuals, when God is telling us that's it's about the whole, not just one part, which is what we are. Yes, we're individually saved and loved and given gifts etc. but those things aren't meant to be just for us, they're intended to edify and help the other members of the Body of Christ. We're not to think of ourselves as inferior to any other Christian and we're not to crave someone elses gift thinking there's is better than ours. We're to be content with what God has given us and seek to grow it as much as we can. The scriptures are also teaching us that although we're all different in many ways, that our unity is what's important and of course acknowledging that God knows what He's doing and didn't make any mistakes when He gave us each our gifts and abilities. The next question was based on your answer to the first question which wasn't right: What is God’s purpose in teaching us this view of ourselves – to build up our egos? You said: Not to build up our egos, (which is correct) because no one person can do it all because nobody has every thing, and they cannot relate to everybody. We with all our different gifts need each other.
The rest of this is actually right, it just doesn't go as far as it could. When I typed my answer to the first part of the question, I inadvertently included the answer to this one too. Does this help you understand what I was trying to get at?
I was more concerned that you would get discouraged, and that's the one thing I don't want to have happen!Question 7.
Consider the 1 Corinthians passage and the Romans passage together with regard to how individual members contribute to the workings of the Body. Describe the heart attitude God wants us to have, and the approach He wants us to take as we serve the church. How do the concepts of unity, cooperation, and humility flesh themselves out as we work with fellow church members to serve the Body?
Answer: With care, and love, gratefulness, knowing each believer has their part so we (I) are not to feel superior because one believer has a different function or gift or ability,
but rather be grateful that they can serve in a way I ( we) can't.
As individuals we want to have a humble loving servant's heart.
We need each other to be able to serve the Lord, and can cooperate, with humbleness.
We function the best when everyone can and does their part. We are all part of the body of Christ and so unity is essential, but not at the expense of trying to make everyone the same.
We have unity in the gospel , love for the Lord and each other and the lost. ( The goal is to do God's will).
We are actually dependent on even the 'lowest' member. God does not make mistakes, so tho we may not 'see' their use...at first, we need to be sure, we need their contribution and be thankful.
I need to stop here because Leonard just told me Devon got hurt on the playground so I may need to go over there ( after Leonard may have to take him to hospital/doctor.)
I need to get dressed and try to eat something.
Plus, I am not sure I am on the right track again.....I keep wondering because, it seems like the Roman passage is about 'gifts'? or am I on the wrong one....I have checked 3 times, but since I mention gifts before ( and did not even mean those gifts, but rather abilities or functions etc. LOL Now I am a little hesitant cuz I worry, I still am not reading carefully.
I hope Devon's ok!
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Post by fearnot on Nov 2, 2018 12:43:18 GMT -5
It really is such a big help when you explain ( and even underline the word or words I did NOT see or focus on)
and then, to write what was intended to be the answer.
I found what you wrote today to be so helpful.
It was like: Dud!
Why did I see that??? arrgghh
but NOW I get it!!!
LOL
I really do like this study....
But I am not sure why, I am having such a hard time, with so many of the questions.
Nevertheless, I think it is 'growing' me
I think that I find your questions and writing way easy to 'get'
but....that said, it is good to learn to slow down, be more careful, think and pray, to get someone else style.
it's not that she is sooooooooo very different, and obviously, you are not having any trouble understanding what she wrote.
This study reminds me a little of when I did BSF (Bible Study Fellowship) for 8 years, but I never had a problem with those questions each day.
All I can think of is maybe this is a wee bit more advance ( for me, not for you ha ha)
especially, because of that, it is training me to slow down.
I think, I told you I had 2 years of speed reading classes....and I think that 'habit' got thoroughly ingrained over 55-60 years.
Tho I don't consciously eliminate ( what a part speed reading is about) 'superfluous 'words.....and as many as possible, and still 'hope' to get the 'gist'.....
I think, I must even now still do it to some extent ( or a lot), and I am not even aware, I am doing it.
So tho it must frustrate you no end, I do thank you for your patience, it is a hard habit to break ( and a very deeply ingrained one)...especially since I am not even aware of it 1/2 the time ( or more).
So when you underlined the word YOU.....I do believe, that without even knowing it, I had cast it away....as a superfluous word!!!
Another other part, is I want to get to the finding the answer....
first is the Holy Spirit should point it out but also,
in some cases, I enjoy ( waaay to much) reading commentaries.....but also looking in Bible Gateway etc for other scriptures...
only.......
sometimes her questions are not calling for that, at all!!!
So, this is where you have a skill set I do not.....and you are so helping me
However, it did speak to me, when you wrote:
"We're not to think of ourselves as inferior to any other Christian and we're not to crave someone else's gift thinking there's is better than ours".
I do sometimes come close to that....and I do know God gave me what He wanted me to have and I have the gift or gifts He wanted me to have.....but sometimes, I do start to think, maybe I don't have any or that they are so weak, they are no use to anyone.....
and I know that is wrong and a sin also....because God does not make mistakes.....
its just that I don't always see it..and maybe that is a good thing in a way, because if I did, then I would be dealing with a big pride issue....
Which I actually have anyway....remember how e used to talk about how I felt I was the worst of the worst and you pointed out that was pride speaking.....
Sorry this is so long.....I am only a wee bit discourage but in no way, want you to worry.....because mostly, it is a great learning experience
it discouraging, in that the bad habit of speed reading and not even being aware ( even when I THINK I am reading VERY SLOOOOOWLY and carefully.......but nope
That is what is discouraging....
just even missing the word.... YOU.....
can totally mess up answering a whole bunch of questions!!!!!!!
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Post by fearnot on Nov 2, 2018 13:34:52 GMT -5
Question 8.
Sometimes we encounter a sister in Christ who is so passionate about her particular gifting or area of ministry that she pressures other church members to be as passionately involved in that ministry as she is, or she seems to look down on Christians who don’t have the same gifting she has. How would you use today’s passages to disciple her?
Answer:
I would remind her that the Lord has said that:
"For the body does not consist of one member but of many".
1 Corinthians 12:14
And just because not all members share the same zeal, interest, mission, etc. that she is passionate about does not mean
that would not make (them) any less a part of the body. 1 Corinthians 12:15
God has made members different:
"But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19 If all were a single member, where would the body be? ".
1 Corinthians 12:18, 19
And furthermore, God made it so we do not all have the same mission, or function:
For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function
Romans 12:4
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Post by fearnot on Nov 3, 2018 14:15:02 GMT -5
Is membership in the church catholic or the local church optional for Christians? If you answered yes to either, cite the Scriptures supporting your answer.
Answer:
For the first question, I think as soon as we are saved we become members of the church catholic, so it would not be optional.
The 2nd question does not seem so clear cut to me, because they are cases where some Christians absolutely cannot get to church....maybe they live 100 miles from the nearest church, do not drive or even have a car and no church going neighbors, or they are so sick they cannot go, or there is only one 'church' in town and it teaches a totally different gospel so that it is NOT a Christian church at all etc.
and I am not certain the Bible makes an absolute non negotiable hard fast requirement rule that one absolutely must be a church member.....
however....
Scripture does say we are not to neglect fellowship with other believers,
We are also to respect those in authority over us ( pastor )
We are one part of the body of Christ, so a Christian alone would be like a body consisting of just an arm or just a leg....it would not be able to do much
etc.
And then too, I think there are times when several believers meeting in a home, could be considered a church ( when a church building is not available or all the ones that are have gone apostate),. Jesus said : Matthew 18: 20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”
But basically, or in general, it means its NOT really optional (under most circumstances).
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Post by fearnot on Nov 4, 2018 17:42:58 GMT -5
Explain in your own words why God wants Christians to be members of a doctrinally sound local church
Answer:
We need to be members of a doctrinally sound church because the Lord says to.
Some of the reasons are so we can encourage each other, because we all have different 'gifts' in which we can encourage, uplift, help, teach etc. each other.
The church is our Lord's idea, He founded and loved it and since we love Him, we ought to love what He loves ( other believers).
It also is an indication of being a true believer.
It is a good place to get training in the Word ( the Bible).
We need a pastor, as we cannot pastor ourselves. or hold ourselves accountable.
It is also encouraging to ones faith to be with others of the same faith.
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Post by Cindy on Nov 5, 2018 11:22:48 GMT -5
It really is such a big help when you explain ( and even underline the word or words I did NOT see or focus on)
and then, to write what was intended to be the answer.
I found what you wrote today to be so helpful.
It was like: Dud!
Why did I see that??? arrgghh
but NOW I get it!!!
LOL
I really do like this study....
But I am not sure why, I am having such a hard time, with so many of the questions.
Nevertheless, I think it is 'growing' me
I think that I find your questions and writing way easy to 'get'
but....that said, it is good to learn to slow down, be more careful, think and pray, to get someone else style.
it's not that she is sooooooooo very different, and obviously, you are not having any trouble understanding what she wrote.
This study reminds me a little of when I did BSF (Bible Study Fellowship) for 8 years, but I never had a problem with those questions each day.
All I can think of is maybe this is a wee bit more advance ( for me, not for you ha ha)
especially, because of that, it is training me to slow down.
I think, I told you I had 2 years of speed reading classes....and I think that 'habit' got thoroughly ingrained over 55-60 years.
Tho I don't consciously eliminate ( what a part speed reading is about) 'superfluous 'words.....and as many as possible, and still 'hope' to get the 'gist'.....
I think, I must even now still do it to some extent ( or a lot), and I am not even aware, I am doing it.
So tho it must frustrate you no end, I do thank you for your patience, it is a hard habit to break ( and a very deeply ingrained one)...especially since I am not even aware of it 1/2 the time ( or more).
So when you underlined the word YOU.....I do believe, that without even knowing it, I had cast it away....as a superfluous word!!!
Another other part, is I want to get to the finding the answer....
first is the Holy Spirit should point it out but also,
in some cases, I enjoy ( waaay to much) reading commentaries.....but also looking in Bible Gateway etc for other scriptures...
only.......
sometimes her questions are not calling for that, at all!!!
So, this is where you have a skill set I do not.....and you are so helping me
However, it did speak to me, when you wrote:
"We're not to think of ourselves as inferior to any other Christian and we're not to crave someone else's gift thinking there's is better than ours".
I do sometimes come close to that....and I do know God gave me what He wanted me to have and I have the gift or gifts He wanted me to have.....but sometimes, I do start to think, maybe I don't have any or that they are so weak, they are no use to anyone.....
and I know that is wrong and a sin also....because God does not make mistakes.....
its just that I don't always see it..and maybe that is a good thing in a way, because if I did, then I would be dealing with a big pride issue....
Which I actually have anyway....remember how e used to talk about how I felt I was the worst of the worst and you pointed out that was pride speaking.....
Sorry this is so long.....I am only a wee bit discourage but in no way, want you to worry.....because mostly, it is a great learning experience
it discouraging, in that the bad habit of speed reading and not even being aware ( even when I THINK I am reading VERY SLOOOOOWLY and carefully.......but nope
That is what is discouraging....
just even missing the word.... YOU.....
can totally mess up answering a whole bunch of questions!!!!!!!
What you need to know is that you most likely far surpass many people who do her studies (or any others for that matter). The reason I mention the things I do to you and ask you to re-think some things etc. is because I hold you to a much higher standard than I would anyone else. I do that because I know you know what the Bible teaches and I know you apply it, therefore I don't allow you to get away with answers that most teachers would be perfectly happy with. I know our time is short, therefore I want to help you get as much as possible from everything.
Question 8.
Sometimes we encounter a sister in Christ who is so passionate about her particular gifting or area of ministry that she pressures other church members to be as passionately involved in that ministry as she is, or she seems to look down on Christians who don’t have the same gifting she has. How would you use today’s passages to disciple her?
Answer:
I would remind her that the Lord has said that:
"For the body does not consist of one member but of many".
1 Corinthians 12:14
And just because not all members share the same zeal, interest, mission, etc. that she is passionate about does not mean
that would not make (them) any less a part of the body. 1 Corinthians 12:15
God has made members different:
"But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19 If all were a single member, where would the body be? ".
1 Corinthians 12:18, 19
And furthermore, God made it so we do not all have the same mission, or function:
For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function
Romans 12:4
Is membership in the church catholic or the local church optional for Christians? If you answered yes to either, cite the Scriptures supporting your answer.
Answer:
For the first question, I think as soon as we are saved we become members of the church catholic, so it would not be optional.
The 2nd question does not seem so clear cut to me, because they are cases where some Christians absolutely cannot get to church....maybe they live 100 miles from the nearest church, do not drive or even have a car and no church going neighbors, or they are so sick they cannot go, or there is only one 'church' in town and it teaches a totally different gospel so that it is NOT a Christian church at all etc.
and I am not certain the Bible makes an absolute non negotiable hard fast requirement rule that one absolutely must be a church member.....
however....
Scripture does say we are not to neglect fellowship with other believers,
We are also to respect those in authority over us ( pastor )
We are one part of the body of Christ, so a Christian alone would be like a body consisting of just an arm or just a leg....it would not be able to do much
etc.
And then too, I think there are times when several believers meeting in a home, could be considered a church ( when a church building is not available or all the ones that are have gone apostate),. Jesus said : Matthew 18: 20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”
But basically, or in general, it means its NOT really optional (under most circumstances). Explain in your own words why God wants Christians to be members of a doctrinally sound local church
Answer:
We need to be members of a doctrinally sound church because the Lord says to.
Some of the reasons are so we can encourage each other, because we all have different 'gifts' in which we can encourage, uplift, help, teach etc. each other.
The church is our Lord's idea, He founded and loved it and since we love Him, we ought to love what He loves ( other believers).
It also is an indication of being a true believer.
It is a good place to get training in the Word ( the Bible).
We need a pastor, as we cannot pastor ourselves. or hold ourselves accountable.
It is also encouraging to ones faith to be with others of the same faith.
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Post by Cindy on Nov 5, 2018 11:49:30 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: RefHERmation Day Bonus Lesson by Michelle Lesley
For those of us working through this study in real time*, today is Reformation Day. I recently commended (again) to my readers Rebecca VanDoodewaard’s excellent book, Reformation Women, and I thought, “What better way to celebrate Reformation Day and biblical womanhood than to combine the two?”. So, today, we’re going to take a look at some women in Reformation history and in biblical history who exemplified biblical womanhood by influencing others toward godliness.
Choose any of the women below and read their stories (click on their names). Then consider the following questions: (there's no way I could choose just one LOL, I'd have to read them all - especially the reformation ones! But, if you're only going to choose one, I suggest choosing one from each group)
1. In what ways did this woman exemplify biblical womanhood in her culture, context, circumstances, family situation, or church?
2. Which godly character traits or Fruit of the Spirit were especially obvious in her life, words, and actions?
3. Which Scripture passages come to mind as you read this woman’s story? In what ways did she live these Scriptures out (or fail to live them out)?
4. Are there any instances of sin in this woman’s story? If so, how can you learn from what she did wrong and avoid this sin in your own life?
5. How does this woman set a godly example that you can apply to your own life?
6. In what ways did this woman point someone to Jesus, serve the Kingdom, or help God’s people?
Women of the Bible
Esther
Ruth
Abigail
Deborah and Jael
Miriam
Mary
Priscilla
Lydia
Dorcas
Women of the Reformation
Catherine d’Bourbon
Jeanne D’Albret
Marguerite de Navarre
Margarethe Blaurer
Katharina Schutz Zell
Anna Adlischweiler
Anna Reinhard
Katharina von Bora Luther
Homework
Think of some ways you can bloom where God has planted you to serve your family, your church, and the Kingdom as a woman of the modern day Reformation.
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
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Post by fearnot on Nov 5, 2018 13:28:29 GMT -5
Devon asked, argued, pleaded with Hossanah's fiancee to come to church.....Brian, had said no...
But....
yesterday, he, his 2 children living with them,
and our grandchildren ( well not Liam in Tx of course LOL)
Hossanah,
and Leonard and I.....
8 of us, in all.....
went to church.
And would you believe it, guess what scripture the pastor was preaching on: Colossians 3:5-8
I thought he did a very good job ( it was about 1/2 an hour long sermon, or a little longer).
Just a couple of highlights....
He did make one joke ( because it's a difficult passage to preach on in the social climate of today's politically correct way of thinking)
so he joked that he thought to himself: :maybe, I ought to get a guest pastor to preach on this.
But he went on to say that ( this is not verbatim)
that God, as a loving father, knew (knows) what was best for us,
and for people to 'dumpster dive' into these sins,
hoping to find happiness etc. will only get you dirty, and cause pain etc...
Then he went thru all the sins listed....explained what they were and how they hurt etc.
Of course, in the process he also mentioned 'living together' without being married etc. etc.
And then the 2nd set like anger and so on, spoke more to the younger kids.
They did not go to Sunday School, they wanted to stay....
well, in a way, they get even way more explicit 'sex' from school teachers, which are telling them they have to accept transgenderism, and so on.
So I think God knew that this would be the scripture being taught yesterday and everyone got to hear God's Word ( instead of the cultures) on these issues.
I don't think Brian will attend again ( at least for awhile...)
but then,
none of us thought he would go even this one time.
His youngest son, actually wants to go again next Sunday ( this is a boy who cannot sit still or not talk for even 5 mins....)
and he sat thru the sermon and just totally listened....
the one positive thing Brian said was:
WOW! now I know it is possible, he can actually sit still and listen!!!
However, his daughter said, she would rather go swimming than go to church.
Oh and the pastor had called to ask permission to put a great photo of Devon's baptism on yesterday's bulletin.
And....I plan on reading all the woman listed as well. :-)
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Post by fearnot on Nov 5, 2018 16:00:17 GMT -5
So today I read all of the reformer Christian woman and Biblical woman, tomorrow, I will start on question 1
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Post by Cindy on Nov 6, 2018 10:02:20 GMT -5
Devon asked, argued, pleaded with Hossanah's fiancee to come to church.....Brian, had said no...
But....
yesterday, he, his 2 children living with them,
and our grandchildren ( well not Liam in Tx of course LOL)
Hossanah,
and Leonard and I.....
8 of us, in all.....
went to church.
And would you believe it, guess what scripture the pastor was preaching on: Colossians 3:5-8
I thought he did a very good job ( it was about 1/2 an hour long sermon, or a little longer).
Just a couple of highlights....
He did make one joke ( because it's a difficult passage to preach on in the social climate of today's politically correct way of thinking)
so he joked that he thought to himself: :maybe, I ought to get a guest pastor to preach on this.
But he went on to say that ( this is not verbatim)
that God, as a loving father, knew (knows) what was best for us,
and for people to 'dumpster dive' into these sins,
hoping to find happiness etc. will only get you dirty, and cause pain etc...
Then he went thru all the sins listed....explained what they were and how they hurt etc.
Of course, in the process he also mentioned 'living together' without being married etc. etc.
And then the 2nd set like anger and so on, spoke more to the younger kids.
They did not go to Sunday School, they wanted to stay....
well, in a way, they get even way more explicit 'sex' from school teachers, which are telling them they have to accept transgenderism, and so on.
So I think God knew that this would be the scripture being taught yesterday and everyone got to hear God's Word ( instead of the cultures) on these issues.
I don't think Brian will attend again ( at least for awhile...)
but then,
none of us thought he would go even this one time.
His youngest son, actually wants to go again next Sunday ( this is a boy who cannot sit still or not talk for even 5 mins....)
and he sat thru the sermon and just totally listened....
the one positive thing Brian said was:
WOW! now I know it is possible, he can actually sit still and listen!!!
However, his daughter said, she would rather go swimming than go to church.
Oh and the pastor had called to ask permission to put a great photo of Devon's baptism on yesterday's bulletin.
And....I plan on reading all the woman listed as well. :-)
So today I read all of the reformer Christian woman and Biblical woman, tomorrow, I will start on question 1 |
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Post by fearnot on Nov 6, 2018 13:42:58 GMT -5
Question 1. In what ways did this woman exemplify biblical womanhood in her
culture,
Answer: I choose to use Ruth and Katharina von Bora as my 2 examples.
Ruth was loyal to her mother-in-law under great duress, she was humble and submitted to what Naomi told her to do, she worked to care for Naomi, she also obeyed the rules when gleaning, and did not flirt with the younger men, but worked hard, she was patient when waiting the outcome of whom she would marry.
Katharina was a good example of the first pastor wife in so many ways, working hard, being hospitable ( sometimes feeding up to 100 people), taking care of her family ( 6 biological and several orphaned), caring for the needy, etc.
context,
Answer: I am not sure what this means?
circumstances,
Ruth was loyal in very severe circumstances. First she lost her husband. Then her mother-in-law chose to go back to her home, but Ruth stayed by Naomi's side, even tho, it was a totally new place, different culture which did not like Moabites at all.
Additionally Naomi was left almost totally poverty stricken, and yet, Ruth stayed loyal to Naomi, and did not flinch having to glean all day in a field where she would have been looked on with suspicion, dislike and perhaps even hatred.
Katharina escaped from a nunnery and had no real options, but chose to marry Luther and became she an excellent wife. Even tho she had almost nothing but endless hard work, she did everything as unto God.
family situation,
Answer:
She was devoted to her mother-in-law and also to Boaz, her husband and allowed Naomi to take their son, Obed and treat him as Naomi's son and be his nursemaid.
or church?
Answer:
Katharina By hosting and feeding often 30-40 or even 100 church members, her actual Her engagement in theology was limited, but she humbly served the church in so many other ways.
( I did not really see Ruth as being a church example exactly?)
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Post by fearnot on Nov 7, 2018 13:12:12 GMT -5
question 2. Which godly character traits or Fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control) were especially obvious in her life
Answer:
Life:
Ruth:
She showed her love and kindness, to Naomi by being faithful to Naomi, no matter the cost to herself.
She showed the godly character by hard work, as unto the Lord, by gleaning:
"She said, ‘Please let me glean and gather among the sheaves after the reapers.’ So she came, and she has continued from early morning until now, except for a short rest.”
and humbleness:
“Why have I found favor in your eyes, that you should take notice of me, since I am a foreigner?"
Kindness and self-control ( she did not flirt with the young men)
"You have made this last kindness greater than the first in that you have not gone after young men, whether poor or rich."
Katharina von Bora ( Luther)
hospitality and worked as unto the Lord:
"Katharina did not distinguish between “practical” and “spiritual” tasks, but found fuel for her daily work in that she served God in all tasks."
She "served meals to thirty or forty people regularly and banquets for more than a hundred; and created a self-sustaining household by purchasing and cultivating farmland for gardens, orchards, and animals to provide food for family and guests — "
Kindness, goodness, gentleness:
"caring for Luther, supporting his work and travels, nurturing their children....mother to six biological (and several orphaned) children"
words,
Ruth showed faithfulness in her words by saying:
Answer:
Ruth: "For where you go I will go, and where you lodge I will lodge. Your people shall be my people, and your God my God. 17 Where you die I will die, and there will I be buried"
Katharina von Bora ( Luther) showed faithfulness in her words by saying :
On her deathbed,
she proclaimed,
“I will stick to Christ as a burr to a topcoat.”
actions?
Answer:
Ruth showed all of them: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control
by staying with Naomi, traveling to Naomi's home, gleaning so they could eat, being pure and chaste and not flirting with young men, waiting for Boaz to determine the outcome of whom she would marry, allowing Naomi to take care of her son etc.
Katharina von Bora ( Luther) also showed all the fruits of the Spirit in all the work she did.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 8, 2018 11:53:43 GMT -5
Question 3.
Which Scripture passages come to mind as you read this woman’s story?
Answer:
Ruth and Katharina : Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Matthew:10 37
Ruth:
"Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant,"
1 Corinthians 13:4
Katharina : 5 Beloved, it is a faithful thing you do in all your efforts for these brothers, strangers as they are, 6 who testified to your love before the church. You will do well to send them on their journey in a manner worthy of God.
3 John 1: 5.6
In what ways did she live these Scriptures out (or fail to live them out)?
Both Ruth and Kath left family and followed God's way for them, tho at the beginning it was somewhat scary and possibly dangerous for each of them.
Ruth showed Naomi great kindness ( tho Naomi was at first filled with sorrow and bitterness at her lot in life). Later Ruth gleaned in the field as a pauper in humbleness, and was not arrogant boastful or envious of those who had more earthly treasures.
Kath hosted many Christians fleeing persecution , and showed them kindness and Christian love.
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Post by Cindy on Nov 9, 2018 12:02:28 GMT -5
Question 1. In what ways did this woman exemplify biblical womanhood in her
culture,
Answer: I choose to use Ruth and Katharina von Bora as my 2 examples.
Ruth was loyal to her mother-in-law under great duress, she was humble and submitted to what Naomi told her to do, she worked to care for Naomi, she also obeyed the rules when gleaning, and did not flirt with the younger men, but worked hard, she was patient when waiting the outcome of whom she would marry.
Katharina was a good example of the first pastor wife in so many ways, working hard, being hospitable ( sometimes feeding up to 100 people), taking care of her family ( 6 biological and several orphaned), caring for the needy, etc.
context,
Answer: I am not sure what this means?
circumstances,
Ruth was loyal in very severe circumstances. First she lost her husband. Then her mother-in-law chose to go back to her home, but Ruth stayed by Naomi's side, even tho, it was a totally new place, different culture which did not like Moabites at all.
Additionally Naomi was left almost totally poverty stricken, and yet, Ruth stayed loyal to Naomi, and did not flinch having to glean all day in a field where she would have been looked on with suspicion, dislike and perhaps even hatred.
Katharina escaped from a nunnery and had no real options, but chose to marry Luther and became she an excellent wife. Even tho she had almost nothing but endless hard work, she did everything as unto God.
family situation,
Answer:
She was devoted to her mother-in-law and also to Boaz, her husband and allowed Naomi to take their son, Obed and treat him as Naomi's son and be his nursemaid.
or church?
Answer:
Katharina By hosting and feeding often 30-40 or even 100 church members, her actual Her engagement in theology was limited, but she humbly served the church in so many other ways.
( I did not really see Ruth as being a church example exactly?)
Websters describes context as: the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs: ENVIRONMENT, SETTING; which I'm sure you're aware of as am I. So I would assume that she means for you to answer the question according to the conditions the women were living in at the time. You actually did that as you answered the other questions though, including even the first one. So I wouldn't worry about it.
I apologize but due to circumstances with Bruce I haven't been able to read the stories myself yet - I mean the reformation ones, so really can't comment on them. But I do know that back in those days that many marriages were decided on by parents or others and not because the two people were in love. Yet even though in many cases the two hardly knew each other when they were married, because the wife submitted to her husband and loved God and obeyed Him, love grew between them. I've always thought that was really neat.
Is there a reason you didn't discuss Katharina's family situation?
I like to put the whole question for each so the last would be: In what ways did this woman exemplify biblical womanhood in her church? You said: Katharina By hosting and feeding often 30-40 or even 100 church members, her actual Her engagement in theology was limited, but she humbly served the church in so many other ways. I did not really see Ruth as being a church example exactly? Both of the women were wonderful examples of biblical womanhood in their church. To be an example of biblical womanhood doesn't mean that we need to be able to teach theology, but only that we're able to live the way the Bible tells us to, and that's exactly what Katharina did as you showed. While Ruth obviously didn't have a Church, or belong to the Body of Christ since she was born long before Jesus came and began the Church, she was still saved and was still a great example of biblical womanhood for where she worshiped God. According to the Bible, she would have worshiped at the tabernacle with the others. Let me quote from MacArthur's book background on Ruth: The reliable facts surrounding Ruth, in addition to its complete compatibility with Judges plus 1 and 2 Samuel, confirm Ruth’s authenticity. However, some individual difficulties require careful attention. First, how could Ruth worship at the tabernacle then in Shiloh (1 Sam. 4:4), since Deuteronomy 23:3 expressly forbids Moabites from entering the assembly for ten generations? Since the Jews entered the land ca. 1405 B.C. and Ruth was not born until ca. 1150 B.C., she then represented at least the eleventh generation (probably later) if the time limitation ended at ten generations. If “ten generations” was an expression meaning “forever” as Nehemiah 13:1 implies, then Ruth would be like the foreigner of Isaiah 56:1–8 who joined himself to the LORD (1:16) thus gaining entrance to the assembly. The MacArthur Bible handbook So she worshiped there as did the other women and obeyed the laws (rules) that governed their worship, such as the women being separated from the men, covering their heads, submitting to their husbands, etc. By living an exemplary life - meaning she obeyed the laws of God and didn't give people any reason to think that she was doing or saying anything that might be thought of as evil, she became an example for all women of biblical womanhood.
question 2. Which godly character traits or Fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control) were especially obvious in her life
Answer:
Life:
Ruth:
She showed her love and kindness, to Naomi by being faithful to Naomi, no matter the cost to herself.
She showed the godly character by hard work, as unto the Lord, by gleaning:
"She said, ‘Please let me glean and gather among the sheaves after the reapers.’ So she came, and she has continued from early morning until now, except for a short rest.”
and humbleness:
“Why have I found favor in your eyes, that you should take notice of me, since I am a foreigner?"
Kindness and self-control ( she did not flirt with the young men)
"You have made this last kindness greater than the first in that you have not gone after young men, whether poor or rich."
Katharina von Bora ( Luther)
hospitality and worked as unto the Lord:
"Katharina did not distinguish between “practical” and “spiritual” tasks, but found fuel for her daily work in that she served God in all tasks."
She "served meals to thirty or forty people regularly and banquets for more than a hundred; and created a self-sustaining household by purchasing and cultivating farmland for gardens, orchards, and animals to provide food for family and guests — "
Kindness, goodness, gentleness:
"caring for Luther, supporting his work and travels, nurturing their children....mother to six biological (and several orphaned) children"
words,
Ruth showed faithfulness in her words by saying:
Answer:
Ruth: "For where you go I will go, and where you lodge I will lodge. Your people shall be my people, and your God my God. 17 Where you die I will die, and there will I be buried"
Katharina von Bora ( Luther) showed faithfulness in her words by saying :
On her deathbed,
she proclaimed,
“I will stick to Christ as a burr to a topcoat.”
actions?
Answer:
Ruth showed all of them: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control
by staying with Naomi, traveling to Naomi's home, gleaning so they could eat, being pure and chaste and not flirting with young men, waiting for Boaz to determine the outcome of whom she would marry, allowing Naomi to take care of her son etc.
Katharina von Bora ( Luther) also showed all the fruits of the Spirit in all the work she did.
Question 3.
Which Scripture passages come to mind as you read this woman’s story?
Answer:
Ruth and Katharina : Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Matthew:10 37
Ruth:
"Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant,"
1 Corinthians 13:4
Katharina : 5 Beloved, it is a faithful thing you do in all your efforts for these brothers, strangers as they are, 6 who testified to your love before the church. You will do well to send them on their journey in a manner worthy of God.
3 John 1: 5.6
In what ways did she live these Scriptures out (or fail to live them out)?
Both Ruth and Kath left family and followed God's way for them, tho at the beginning it was somewhat scary and possibly dangerous for each of them.
Ruth showed Naomi great kindness ( tho Naomi was at first filled with sorrow and bitterness at her lot in life). Later Ruth gleaned in the field as a pauper in humbleness, and was not arrogant boastful or envious of those who had more earthly treasures.
Kath hosted many Christians fleeing persecution , and showed them kindness and Christian love.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 9, 2018 13:16:17 GMT -5
i just noticed I ( as per usual) skipped over and/or forgot....Kath family situation....
I guess I would have said, she came for a fairly wealthy family but nevertheless, they put her in a nunnery from which she escaped....
but her family would not take her back,
so she ended up marrying Luther,
and had a pretty large family of her own (6 biological children),
and 'some' children without parents
it did not say how many orphans she became a mother to.....
but considering how many people she feed often,
I am guessing,
it may have been more than just 2 or 3....but I don't know.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 9, 2018 14:48:08 GMT -5
4. Are there any instances of sin in this woman’s story?
Answer:
It does not specifically say about Ruth......
but
She was from Moab and the culture was so idolatrous ( the main 'god' they worshiped was Chemosh) they could could not go to the temple until after the 10th generation,
and in Psalms God called it his wash basin...
but it seems to me that Ruth may have worshiped Chemosh at one time, by her words to Naomi that she would worship Namoi's God ( somehow that makes me think she renounced the demonic, false 'god' Chemosh to worship the true God).
Tho it did not specifically say about Katharina....
I got the feeling Katharina was a little too focused on 'family, friends, 'business' etc. above the Lord.
I did read one site PJ that had interviewed Ruth Tucker, author of Katie Luther: First Lady of the Reformation, who said that said:
"Other reformers and locals did not like her, they said she was too money-focused, too domineering, ...
and Ruth Tucker also said:
"Luther's wife was a rather tepid believer...."She was a nominal Christian as John Stott would have defined it,"
Tucker said. "There is no evidence that she ever converted to the Reformation," or that she was a "born again" Christian."
If so, how can you learn from what she did wrong and avoid this sin in your own life?
Answer:
As to Ruth:
To steadfastly avoid the world's traps which is hard to do with the internet....something never before luring humans....therefore I need to be in prayer and in the Word more than ever.
And actually the same would go for Katharina....to not allow family to come before and/or above the Lord, the stay in the Word ( more than I do) and prayer ( even more than I do).
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Post by fearnot on Nov 10, 2018 10:40:26 GMT -5
Question 5. How does this woman set a godly example that you can apply to your own life?
answer:
Ruth choose to follow and remain loyal to the true God and give up the ungodly worldly culture she had grown up in. She did not grumble about poverty or having to be humble.
she also followed whatever Naomi told her and waited patiently until Boaz was able to settle who she would marry ( and no doubt trusted God in the decision). She did not shirk hard work. And she showed kindness to both Naomi and Boaz. Nor did she flirt and use her feminine wiles for some type of advantage.
To be more like Ruth in her humbleness, loyalty to God, and her authorities/loved ones, and hard work, kindness, and purity.
Kate Luther, was a superior wife in the keeping of her home duties, children, guests, medical issues, and finances ( as unto the Lord)...these are things I could increase in as unto the Lord also.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 11, 2018 12:52:24 GMT -5
Question 6. In what ways did this woman point someone to Jesus, serve the Kingdom, or help God’s people?
Answer:
Ruth: by her bold declaration to follow the true God. Her willingness to do whatever God chose for her, no matter how humble or lowly. To have compassion on those who are lonely, bitter, or suffering mentally, physically, or spiritually, as Naomi was.
Mrs Luther: Be willing to be given to hospitality above and beyond my comfort zone, to do everything as unto the Lord, and to take better care of my husband,
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Post by Cindy on Nov 12, 2018 11:59:12 GMT -5
i just noticed I ( as per usual) skipped over and/or forgot....Kath family situation....
I guess I would have said, she came for a fairly wealthy family but nevertheless, they put her in a nunnery from which she escaped....
but her family would not take her back,
so she ended up marrying Luther,
and had a pretty large family of her own (6 biological children),
and 'some' children without parents
it did not say how many orphans she became a mother to.....
but considering how many people she feed often,
I am guessing,
it may have been more than just 2 or 3....but I don't know. 4. Are there any instances of sin in this woman’s story?
Answer:
It does not specifically say about Ruth......
but
She was from Moab and the culture was so idolatrous ( the main 'god' they worshiped was Chemosh) they could could not go to the temple until after the 10th generation,
and in Psalms God called it his wash basin...
but it seems to me that Ruth may have worshiped Chemosh at one time, by her words to Naomi that she would worship Namoi's God ( somehow that makes me think she renounced the demonic, false 'god' Chemosh to worship the true God).
Tho it did not specifically say about Katharina....
I got the feeling Katharina was a little too focused on 'family, friends, 'business' etc. above the Lord.
I did read one site PJ that had interviewed Ruth Tucker, author of Katie Luther: First Lady of the Reformation, who said that said:
"Other reformers and locals did not like her, they said she was too money-focused, too domineering, ...
and Ruth Tucker also said:
"Luther's wife was a rather tepid believer...."She was a nominal Christian as John Stott would have defined it,"
Tucker said. "There is no evidence that she ever converted to the Reformation," or that she was a "born again" Christian."
If so, how can you learn from what she did wrong and avoid this sin in your own life?
Answer:
As to Ruth:
To steadfastly avoid the world's traps which is hard to do with the internet....something never before luring humans....therefore I need to be in prayer and in the Word more than ever.
And actually the same would go for Katharina....to not allow family to come before and/or above the Lord, the stay in the Word ( more than I do) and prayer ( even more than I do).
Question 5. How does this woman set a godly example that you can apply to your own life?
answer:
Ruth choose to follow and remain loyal to the true God and give up the ungodly worldly culture she had grown up in. She did not grumble about poverty or having to be humble.
she also followed whatever Naomi told her and waited patiently until Boaz was able to settle who she would marry ( and no doubt trusted God in the decision). She did not shirk hard work. And she showed kindness to both Naomi and Boaz. Nor did she flirt and use her feminine wiles for some type of advantage.
To be more like Ruth in her humbleness, loyalty to God, and her authorities/loved ones, and hard work, kindness, and purity.
Kate Luther, was a superior wife in the keeping of her home duties, children, guests, medical issues, and finances ( as unto the Lord)...these are things I could increase in as unto the Lord also.
Question 6. In what ways did this woman point someone to Jesus, serve the Kingdom, or help God’s people?
Answer:
Ruth: by her bold declaration to follow the true God. Her willingness to do whatever God chose for her, no matter how humble or lowly. To have compassion on those who are lonely, bitter, or suffering mentally, physically, or spiritually, as Naomi was.
Mrs Luther: Be willing to be given to hospitality above and beyond my comfort zone, to do everything as unto the Lord, and to take better care of my husband,
You're doing great! OK, I'll post the next one for you now....
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Post by Cindy on Nov 12, 2018 12:14:26 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 7- The Beauty of Knowing and Loving God’s Word by Michelle Lesley
Read These Selected Scriptures
In lesson 6, we took a look at membership in the Body of Christ – both the church catholic, and the local church – and how that membership is part of our identity in Christ. Today, we’ll examine loving and being good students of God’s Word as a component of biblical womanhood.
Questions to Consider
1. Examine the Mark 12:28-34 passage. Mark 12:29-30 are often called what, according to the section title above the passage? What are the two main verbs (the two things we’re told to do) in The Great Commandment? (29-30) What does God command His people to “hear”? Why does the command to “hear” come before the command to “love”? How do God’s people today “hear” about the one true God and learn how to “love” Him?
What does it mean to love God with all your mind? Compare and contrast loving God with your mind to loving God with your heart, your soul, and your strength. Respond to this statement: “Pursuing God with our minds – studying the Word, learning theology, etc., – is one of the ways we love God."
2. Read 2 Peter 1:1-8, focusing on what it says about knowledge. How has God “granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness” – “through” what? (3) How do we get this knowledge? Where do we find God’s “precious and very great promises,” and what do we receive “through” these promises? (4) How does verse 8 sum up the goal of the knowledge of God in conjunction with the characteristics in verses 5-7? What does all of this teach us about the importance of pursuing the knowledge of God through His Word?
3. Who was 2 Timothy written to? By whom? For what purpose? (Choose a Bible Book Background, if needed, to refresh your memory.) Does that mean this passage is only applicable to pastors, or especially to pastors, but also to all Christians? Look closely at 2 Timothy 2:15. Explain how you can “rightly handle the word of truth” in your own daily life and context. To whom does verse 15 say we either present ourselves as approved workers, rightly handling the word of truth, or present ourselves in shame if we are not? Is rightly handling the Word primarily for the glory of God, or for the good of man? What are the consequences for ourselves and others of not handling God’s Word correctly, according to 2 Timothy 2:14, 2 Timothy 2:16-18?
4. Psalm 119 might be the perfect Scriptural example of the knowledge of God’s Word leading to a greater emotional affection for God. Instead of studying each verse of this psalm individually, read it as a whole unit, noting along the way the importance the psalmist places on the Word of God and what studying Scripture led to in his heart and his relationship with God. Notice also, his expression of emotion, and his love and affection for God.
As women, we’re sometimes prone to being ruled by our feelings, and we often rightly cite Jeremiah 17:9 as evidence that we should not trust our feelings over God’s word. What does Psalm 119 teach us about feelings, emotions, and affections that are fueled by God’s Word?
5. Explain why knowing and loving God’s Word is an integral part of biblical womanhood.
Homework
Many Christian women pit the idea of loving God with our minds (“head knowledge”) against the idea of loving God with our hearts/souls (“heart knowledge”), often leaving the impression that pursuing God intellectually is inferior to, different from, and sometimes even less feminine, than an affectionate, emotional love for God. According to the Mark 12 passage, is this a fair assessment or a false dichotomy? How can loving God with all your heart lead to loving God with all your mind, and vice versa? Evaluate your love for God in terms of how you love Him with your heart, your soul, your mind, and your strength. Write down any weaknesses in any of these areas and ask God to strengthen you. Write down any growth you’ve seen in any of these areas, and praise God for growing you.
Suggested Memory Verse
Your testimonies are my heritage forever,for they are the joy of my heart. Psalm 119:111
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
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Post by fearnot on Nov 12, 2018 22:22:49 GMT -5
I had most of the question (s) answered and then my mouse highlighted and deleted everything so I lost a lot of what I wrote, and am having a hard time reconstructing it but I am starting again and doing what I can....I am bummed.
Question:1.
Examine the Mark 12:28-34 passage.
Mark 12:29-30 are often called what, according to the section title above the passage?
Answer:
The Greatest Commandment
What are the two main verbs (the two things we’re told to do) in The Great Commandment? (29-30)
Answer: Hear and Love
What does God command His people to “hear”?
Answer:
"The Lord our God, the Lord is one"
Why does the command to “hear” come before the command to “love”?
It is only by 'hearing' that we learn what Jesus did for us, God's character, that He loved us first. We have to know someone and have a relationship with them before we can truly love them
how do God’s people today “hear” about the one true God and learn how to “love” Him?
Answer:
By reading and studying the Bible God's Word, by The Holy Spirit, by pastor's, other Christians, by commentaries, videos of pastors etc. as they learn more and more about God, how He loved them first, and died to pay for all their sins, His Character, His blessing, they begin to love Him more and more each day
What does it mean to love God with all your mind?
Answer:
The Bible is not like any other book in the world, it is God's Word. It is not something one reads quickly one time and never again. We can never plumb the depths of it in all eternity...because it is God's love letter to us, which has endless blessing and knowledge we learn to Love it with all our minds because God is our God, our Father, our savior.
Compare and contrast loving God with your mind to loving God with your heart, your soul, and your strength.
Answer:
When we love God with all our mind, we love what He loves and hates what he hates
The contrast would be to love the world, and the things of the world, its sins, its so called pleasures and treasures which are worthless and evil.
We have the mind of Christ, so we can think like He thinks as we study His Word.
The contrast would be the minds of the unbelievers whose mind have been blinded by the devil.
We love Him with all our heart because He first loved us, and He has transformed us, so we can love ( its is a growing process) with less self centered selfishness, to the point we would be willing to die instead of denying Him....
the contrast is self-love and a harden heart.
With all our soul because we are united in love with Him, He is our first, last and everything in between, the things of this world grow increasingly dim, because we love Him and Him alone ( we love family and other believers and even the unsaved, but Jesus is our greatest love.
The contrast is not to have God in our thoughts, mind, actions, or any part of our self.
And any work we do now, we do it as unto Him....we do our best out of love.
The contrast would be some half- hearted effort at some religious rites, if at all, but mostly doing everything for self.
Respond to this statement: “Pursuing God with our minds – studying the Word, learning theology, etc., – is one of the ways we love God."
Answer: God is the Creator of everything, and He has written to us...... a God beyond comprehension, who wrote His word to us....
by studying His Word, learning theology etc. we show respect, honor and how much we love Him, because we want to know Him as much as possible.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 13, 2018 11:44:57 GMT -5
Question 2.
Read 2 Peter 1:1-8, focusing on what it says about knowledge. How has God “granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness” – “through” what?
Answer:
"through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord......through our knowledge of Him"
(3) How do we get this knowledge?
Answer:
through His divine power....he has given us his very great and precious promises ( in the Bible)
Where do we find God’s “precious and very great promises,” and what do we receive “through” these promises?
Answer:
We find the precious and very great promises In His Word, the Bible.
What we receive through the promises:
that we "may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires"
(4) How does verse 8 sum up the goal of the knowledge of God in conjunction with the characteristics in verses 5-7?
Answer:
By possessing the characteristics they will keep us from being ineffective and unproductive in our knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
What does all of this teach us about the importance of pursuing the knowledge of God through His Word?
Answer:
In order to be effective and productive, to be able participate in the divine nature, escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires, have a godly life, and have grace and peace, and love ever increasing.
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