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Post by Cindy on Oct 5, 2018 9:52:19 GMT -5
Hossanah is both kind and nice to Doug, but she is cautious when it comes to her children. She has let him say hi and so forth, but even last week, He was again wanting to either buy them gifts or brought inappropriate stuff ( Leonard told me so I am a little hazy as I was not there).
But she apparently got angry at him, and told him it was inappropriate!!
The next day he apologized to Leonard, which was a good thing, he saw he was wrong and did the right thing.
She has always been careful with her children and can be feisty if push comes to shove LOL
I am not sure if it due to her red hair, or growing up in Hawaii ha!
I did notice on one of that guy's videos he was a bit sarcastic.
One of the videos I listened to was about one of the many false teachers , He sounded a bit sarcastic...but in some of his other videos, not so much sarcasm.
I did not actually hear name calling, but rather he would say something like:
um..no, that is not what the Bible says.....lets look at the scripture,
this is what he ( the false teacher) has left out...
or in another video , He said, lets look at the whole passage, its not about ------
( whatever the false teacher was trying to make it say)
....scripture clearly states its about ----- and he would read what it said.
But looking at the list of his videos ( not all are about false teachers), wow!!!
I had noooo idea there were THAT many 'popular' false teachers!!!
I knew a lot of the false teachers.... and I knew there were a 'lot'.....,
but how sad, there are soooooooo many many more than I thought even,
and they have huge followers to boot!!
arrrgghhhh I keep forgetting
well first
i have been memorizing the memory verse ( I think I have it down word perfect however)
The other 2 things I missed
Q) At what time in history was this book written?
A) I am not certain as to the exact time this is written, but it seems to be during the times of the Kings of Israel and maybe during the time of Solomon's reign.
Q)
What is the theme or purpose of this book?
A) The first part, has to do with the characteristics needed for a good and godly king.
and the 2nd part about the character of a godly woman, wife and mother.
Q) Make a list of the five people you have the potential to influence the most.
A)
Husband
Daughter
grand daughter
grandson
Brian ( and his 2 children)
Q) In what ways can your words and behavior influence them for the gospel and toward godliness?
A) By being loving
Not worrying being peaceful
by speaking of God....in natural/nature/pets etc. beauty,
using scripture
being patient
being gentle
not gossiping but encouraging
be always honest ( with love)
show concern for the needy
be careful to not place outward beauty over inward beauty of a godly character
listen carefully and respectfully to even the youngest
For the next week, commit to pray for these five people each day, asking God to help you to be a godly influence on them.
Proverbs: Created and compiled by Solomon and other authors from approximately 971 to 686 B.C. The phrase “Proverbs of Solomon” is more a title than an absolute statement of authorship (1:1). While King Solomon, who ruled Israel from 971–931 B.C. and was granted great wisdom by God (see 1 Kin. 4:29–34), is the author of the didactic section (Proverbs 1:1–9:18) and the proverbs of Proverbs 10:1–22:16, he is likely only the compiler of the “sayings of the wise” in 22:17–24:34, which are of an uncertain date before Solomon’s reign. The collection in Proverbs 25:1–29:27 was originally composed by Solomon (25:1) but copied and included later by Judah’s king Hezekiah (ca. 715–686 B.C.). Proverbs 30 reflects the words of Agur and Proverbs 31 the words of Lemuel, who perhaps was Solomon. Proverbs was not assembled in its final form until Hezekiah’s day or after. Solomon authored his proverbs before his heart was turned away from God (1 Kin. 11:1–11), since the book reveals a godly perspective and is addressed to the “naive” and “young” who need to learn the fear of God. Solomon also wrote Psalms 72 and 127, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon. The MacArthur Bible handbookAs far as the themes go, can only a King use what was written in the first part? If not, who else could benefit from it and how? As for the second part, you said it was for women, but couldn't men profit from it too? If so how? If both of these things are true, then what are the themes? You were only speaking about the last chapter, but the actual question was: What is the theme or purpose of this book? Want to try again? Remember, you have a link you can go to now to see about things like this.
For the last question: In what ways can your words and behavior influence them for the gospel and toward godliness? You listed ways you are influencing them but didn't describe how those things would influence them for the gospel and toward godliness........
I re-read Proverbs 31
Q.2.) Considering the context of chapter 31, the person who spoke these words, and the person to whom they were spoken, were verses 10-31 originally meant as instructions to godly women?
If not, how would you characterize the purpose and intent of this section?
A) First, it is spoken to a 'woman',
and I am thinking according to v. 30 our memory verse, that perhaps a godly woman is in mind because it says: a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.
Still, it is good advise for all woman ( even if they are not saved, prayerfully they will be).
I think there is just a practical sense, in which all woman can find good and wise advise for living.
However, for a believer, there is a deeper spiritual sense, of how to be a godly woman, to please God, and be a godly influence/ambassador to those you come in contact with during your life.
Q.2.) Considering the context of chapter 31, the person who spoke these words, and the person to whom they were spoken, were verses 10-31 originally meant as instructions to godly women?
If not, how would you characterize the purpose and intent of this section?
Q) 3
Verse 10 introduces the passage as being a description of what kind of woman (her station in life)?
(A) It seems like either a king's court or someone of high standing and wealth....but the standards would be for any woman or modest or low income etc.
Look carefully at the attributes of the ideal wife described in 10-31.
Are these attributes that only characterize married women? Why or why not?
(A) No, the characteristics would be the same for unmarried/single woman, widows, divorced etc.
What is the foundation of being an “excellent wife”? How does this foundation apply to all Christian women?
(A)
A woman who fears the Lord is to be praised is the foundation, which would apply to married, divorced, and single woman.
You missed something on your second answer, let me quote the question again highlighting the part you missed:
Look carefully at the attributes of the ideal wife described in 10-31.
Are these attributes that only characterize married women? Why or why not?
I think the reason you're missing things is because you keep everything in the same color. If you change the color of the questions, you may be less likely to miss them.
On the last question you missed something too: What is the foundation of being an “excellent wife”? How does this foundation apply to all Christian women?
She didn't ask if it did apply to all but rather how does it apply to all women? Also, did you mean to only quote part of Proverbs 31:30 as your answer to the first part of that question?
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Post by fearnot on Oct 5, 2018 13:42:55 GMT -5
Q) 4. List the actions which typify a godly wife/woman (13-22, 24,26). In what ways are you performing similar actions in your own life?
A)
1) she works with 'willing' hands
For me that means don't grumble about 'work'
2) she provides good nourishing food ( within her budget or ability to pay)
For me, that means waaaay cutting back on sweets, candy, and focusing even more on healthy nutritious food)
3) she is not a 'slug-a-bed'
This is a big problem for me, I either have nights of no sleep
or
I find I am very sleepy throughout the day
4) one way to get good food for her family is her own garden
I am thinking I need to give more of my tiny tiny plot to veggies, herbs etc. and less flowers so as to have good food
5) she works on being strong and healthy in order to take care for others.
Again, a very very difficult thing for me,
nevertheless, I can my make effort to be more strong and healthy
6)She does what she can to bring in supplemental income
for me, I need to reconsider my art work ( when or if an opportunity arises)
and not to automatically give into laziness and fall back on being 'retired' from selling paintings.
7) she helps the needy
I do this occasionally...but my laziness and/or pain keeps this to less than I want, so I need to pick up the pace because time is drawing short.
8)She is prepared for winter
i need to be more careful for Leonard, he suffers the cold a lot lately and I always need the window cracked a bit for fresh air. but I may need to close it all together this winter.
9) her character is good and she supports her husband
I need to be more supportive of my husband!!!
10) she is dignified
I have to become more so.
she is wise and teaches kindness
I do some of this, but again, I need to pick up the pace.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 6, 2018 10:29:55 GMT -5
As far as the themes go, can only a King use what was written in the first part? If not, who else could benefit from it and how? the themes of this proverb? What is the theme or purpose of this book?
You listed ways you are influencing them but didn't describe how those things would influence them for the gospel and toward godliness........
A)
The advise and/or commands give in this proverbs, are good for everyone, man or woman...then and now. They can benefit from it by praying about it, asking the Lord to help them turn from whatever sinful way they are acting to be a godly woman ( or godly man) and apply this scripture/proverb to their heart, words, and actions.
I think probably a lot of people read this and at first think of it as to woman, but you are right, all people could benefit from it, as the Bible ( all of it) it for both men and women ( and children to the degree they understand it).
I would say one major theme is for men or woman, is to develop godly character ( no matter what your station in life), for those in some sort of authority, be it in government, business, or as a parent in a home situation etc.
The theme of the book of Proverbs is attaining Knowledge and wisdom.
Behavior and characteristics that I listed would influence family, friends, neighbors and strangers for the gospel and toward godliness........
By being loving........
This is one of the main characters of God, and is one of the things Jesus said would identify us to the world, as in John 13: 34 & 35
This is something that the secular world does not major in ( not really, maybe superficially) rather "self" is what is the world's focus.
Not worrying being peaceful.........
to not worry, points to the God, because we ( I) when trusting in Him can be at peace, because I know He is in control, and will ( at some point) work all things for good.
When things go wrong for the unbeliever they can only worry, because if things are out of their control, they don't have God to rely on and fear and worry is all there is.
being patient .......
Being patient points to waiting on God's timing,
being impatient points to being 'self-centered' and without waiting God on God's timing.
being gentle ....
Gentleness is one of the fruits of the Spirit, so being gentle to others, would point to God, because when a person who does not have the Lord, and is self'centered and not willing to sacrifice, 'self' for another person, that often is expressed with harshness, instead of gentleness.
not gossiping but encouraging......
The Bible tells us not to gossip, but rather to encourage and build one another up... so by not gossiping
( which many non-believers engage in...and unfortunately ba few believers also)
but encouraging,
points to God, the Bible and the gospel
be always honest ( with love)....
Lying is rampant in the culture, and the Bible tells us satan is a liar and the father of it, but God cannot lie....
so being honest points to God
but it must be with love, because God is also love.
show concern for the needy.....
God tells us in scripture to care for the poor and needy, whereas the world may talk about it, but in fact, are much more concerned about getting more and more 'things' for themselves....
but to actually do and care for the needy, points to a God who has provided even the very things for life to all of us ( even the basics such as air ,water, and food etc.).
be careful to not place outward beauty over inward beauty of a godly character.....
In many ways this is one of the harder ones for me, I bought totally into the unsaved cultures high standard of outward beauty, and neglected true inward beauty....
I am remembering to now say more things like: that was kind of you, or I appreciate your honesty etc etc
God puts the highest emphasis on inward godly beauty and to do the same, points people to the gospel that god does not rate people based on outward appearances.
listen carefully and respectfully to even the youngest
often people look down on children, find them a burden, are more into self, etc.
However listening carefully and respectfully points to the truth that even a little child can understand the gospel and God listens to His children the same way.
( and I could have also included being quick to forgive)
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Post by fearnot on Oct 7, 2018 17:40:38 GMT -5
Q.7)
What is God’s assessment of a godly wife/woman? (10,29-31).
She is far more precious than jewels.
“Many women have done excellently,
but you surpass them all.”
a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised
(Notice where these verses giving God’s assessment are situated in this passage. How does this strategic placement of these verses help emphasize the godly value of the woman’s actions, attitudes/attributes, and affecting others contained in the verses in between?)
The first is at the beginning, with the following verses explaining, by her actions, attitudes , how and why, she is far more precious than jewels. Having then listed and explained, God then puts His stamp of approval, saying therefore, she has done excellently , surpassing all others.
Step back and take a “flyover” view of God’s Kingdom: why does God consider a woman’s godly actions, attitudes/attributes, and affecting others to be so vital, precious and praiseworthy?
Because she has so much influence as God's ambassador to point people to God, His /word and to be saved.
Some think God (and the Bible) treat women as “second class citizens” or less valuable than men. What does this passage have to say about that?
I think this proves just the opposite, here are some examples:
She considers a field and buys it
She perceives that her merchandise is profitable
She makes linen garments and sells them;
she delivers sashes to the merchant
She opens her mouth with wisdom,
and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.
Give her of the fruit of her hands,
and let her works praise her in the gates.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 8, 2018 10:59:31 GMT -5
Yesterday went to church with Devon and then afterwards the pastor held a baptism class, that Leonard, I and Devon attended.
At first when we got home Hossanah was 'concerned'....because Devon partook of the Lord's supper.....the problem was that I did not check first to see if anyone had read the packages of the 'crackers' to see, if the factory made any other 'breads or crackers' with nuts.
Devon did bring his e-pin with him.
And I was at fault but because the pastor had pointed out they also had 'non gluten' crackers....
I just 'assumed' if they had thought of that...surely they had concerned someone might have a peanut allergy.
Anyway, Hossanah talked with Leonard later and he asked if she would come if Devon gets baptized and she said yes, and that she would see if Vanessa wanted to go also....
So that would be neat/
Vanessa did not go to school Thur and Fri because her boyfriend broke up with her. He had told her he felt he should no longer be in a relationship since he will most likely be going to college in a state other than Oregon ( next year).
She was very sad but went to school today. She had gone to this boyfriend's baptism about 6 mts ago.
I know Devon seems young to get baptized but he really seems to understand....the class was about 1 1/2 hour....all what baptism was, why, etc. what it was not ( not a requirement for salvation etc. etc.)
It will be on the 28th of this month.
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Post by Cindy on Oct 8, 2018 12:12:29 GMT -5
Q) 4. List the actions which typify a godly wife/woman (13-22, 24,26). In what ways are you performing similar actions in your own life?
A)
1) she works with 'willing' hands
For me that means don't grumble about 'work'
2) she provides good nourishing food ( within her budget or ability to pay)
For me, that means waaaay cutting back on sweets, candy, and focusing even more on healthy nutritious food)
3) she is not a 'slug-a-bed'
This is a big problem for me, I either have nights of no sleep
or
I find I am very sleepy throughout the day
4) one way to get good food for her family is her own garden
I am thinking I need to give more of my tiny tiny plot to veggies, herbs etc. and less flowers so as to have good food
5) she works on being strong and healthy in order to take care for others.
Again, a very very difficult thing for me,
nevertheless, I can my make effort to be more strong and healthy
6)She does what she can to bring in supplemental income
for me, I need to reconsider my art work ( when or if an opportunity arises)
and not to automatically give into laziness and fall back on being 'retired' from selling paintings.
7) she helps the needy
I do this occasionally...but my laziness and/or pain keeps this to less than I want, so I need to pick up the pace because time is drawing short.
8)She is prepared for winter
i need to be more careful for Leonard, he suffers the cold a lot lately and I always need the window cracked a bit for fresh air. but I may need to close it all together this winter.
9) her character is good and she supports her husband
I need to be more supportive of my husband!!!
10) she is dignified
I have to become more so.
she is wise and teaches kindness
I do some of this, but again, I need to pick up the pace.
That doesn't mean that we can't learn something from it to help us. Certainly we don't want to be lazy and we should do our best always because we know that everything we do, whether it's watching our grandkids, caring for our husband, or cleaning our house, we're doing for the Lord because He is our Master. So yes, you should continue to do your best to get plenty of sleep each night. I've looked up many articles about insomnia and taken many of their tips to help overcome it to heart, and I'm sure you have too. One thing to remember though is not to forget to go back to those articles every once in a while and see if we're still doing all we can, or if perhaps there's something new we might try to help us. One obstacle I had to overcome was looking at their tips and thinking I couldn't do those things because I either didn't have the room or the money. Instead, I prayed for the Lord to help me do them, even if it was a little at a time, and eventually I was able to. For some I had to talk to Bruce about to get his help and cooperation and that can be a challenge to, one I had to again remember to take to the Lord and not think it's hopeless. In your 4th answer you spoke about her garden and how you should then change your garden. Just because she's growing vegetables, doesn't mean you have to! That's what they had to do in those days as there was no such thing as a grocery store and was the only way to get any kind of food, much less "good food"! (other than meat of course) On the other hand, if it's something you WANT to do, then fine. But doing so isn't "obeying scripture" anymore than planting a vineyard would be!  Yes, she took care of her body but she had no idea about "eating right" like we do. They didn't know about those things then. They ate what they had and felt good about it. Some of it was healthy and some wasn't.
Again, as far as supplemental incomes go, God doesn't expect everyone to do that. You need to remember who this was written to and why? She would be the wife of the King, a Queen, and they had to have enough to care for many more people then just their immediate family.
You keep bringing up your laziness but again, are you really lazy? I realize that we all want to do more than we're able to do, I know I sure do; and I know that we all have times when we have enough "time" to do something, and just don't feel like it. Sure, some of those times, we probably should get up and do something, but it's also OK to sometimes just take a break too, especially since we live with pain.
Yes, caring for and supporting our husbands is something we can all learn from this! As far as winter goes, maybe you have time to come up with a compromise that you can both be helped by.
You also mentioned that he character was good, but said nothing about that really, and her character is the main point of this whole thing.
This was good and I'm glad you wrote it but it wasn't quite what the question asked. She asked us to write what was we were already doing these things. Let's look at the question again and compare your answers. It was a two part question:
4. List the actions which typify a godly wife/woman (Proverbs 31:13-22, Proverbs 31:24, Proverbs 31:26). In what ways are you performing similar actions in your own life?
Working with willing hands and not grumbling, not being lazy, helping the needy, taking care of her body, are certainly characteristics of a godly wife. But does a woman have to have a garden or a supplemental income in order to be a godly wife? Of course not. Must she be strong or healthy to be a godly wife? No! Must she be prepared for winter? I'd say a godly wife should be prepared for the normal things that always happen, such as having a budget for their bills, keeping her home stocked as well as she can of necessities, including things like having warm blankets for the winter, or if they use a wood furnace, getting the wood well ahead of time, etc. So if a godly wife doesn't have to have a garden or a supplemental income, or be strong or healthy, what are those verses saying about her?
“She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar.” (Proverbs 31:13–14) Here she's getting material for clothing, blankets, towels, etc and a variety of food. Selecting food from afar simply means she's gone to the town square where the food is sold, and gets food that she can't grow that's grown in other places and sold there. That doesn't mean that a godly wife needs to get food from other countries or go to many different stores to buy her food. It's simply saying that she does what she needs to in order to get a variety of food for all who will eat with them and the material she needs to make everything they need. We don't have to do that anymore. We can buy clothes and blankets, towels, etc if we want to. The verse shows she does this with eagerness (eager hands). So in other words, a godly wife doesn't hate her normal chores such as grocery shopping, and getting other necessities, and doesn't go about them complaining, like you said. She looks forward to being able to feed and clothe her family and anyone else she can. “She gets up while it is still dark; she provides food for her family and portions for her servant girls.” (Proverbs 31:15) a godly wife doesn't have to get up when it's dark, but she does have to get up after getting enough sleep so she can get everything done that she needs to. In other words, as you said, she doesn't have time to be lazy. “She considers a field and buys it; out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.” (Proverbs 31:16) No, a godly wife doesn't have to go buy a field and plant it lol. Instead a godly woman won't be stopped because she doesn't have the money to do something that's needed for her family. She will learn to use what she already has in a variety of ways that those things might not normally be used for, and perhaps sell things she no longer needs so she can get something else she does need, and if the Lord calls her to it, certainly she may do some kind of work to earn some extra money for her family. “She sets about her work vigorously; her arms are strong for her tasks.” (Proverbs 31:17) In other words she recognizes that some work is hard, but her attitude is that of being willing to work hard. If she's unable to do something at first, she doesn't give up, but continues to try and work at it until she can do it. “She sees that her trading is profitable, and her lamp does not go out at night.” (Proverbs 31:18) a godly woman doesn't have to trade, but a godly woman would not waste her money or spend it easily. She would use her money wisely. A godly woman doesn't stop all work when it's dark. Men worked during the day and when it got dark, it was time to eat and go to bed. A woman can't do that. She has chores to do at the end of the day. Bruce and I head to bed at 9 every night. Bruce is actually in bed by 9:05. I don't get into bed till 9:30 or 10 because I need to pick up things that are laying around, wash and or put away any dishes used since dinner time, make sure the cats have fresh food and water for the night, take whatever we'll have for supper the next night out of the freezer, set up our meds for the next day, etc. As my mother always said, "a man may work from sun to sun but a woman's work is never done" And so on...... The only other one I'll touch on is: “She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue.” (Proverbs 31:26) A godly woman who speaks with wisdom and faithful instruction is one who speaks from her knowledge of God's Word.
Now that we understand what the verses are saying about a godly woman we need to look at the second part of the question: In what ways are you performing similar actions in your own life? You spoke of some ways you could improve, but how are you doing those things now?
As far as the themes go, can only a King use what was written in the first part? If not, who else could benefit from it and how? the themes of this proverb? What is the theme or purpose of this book?
You listed ways you are influencing them but didn't describe how those things would influence them for the gospel and toward godliness........
A)
The advise and/or commands give in this proverbs, are good for everyone, man or woman...then and now. They can benefit from it by praying about it, asking the Lord to help them turn from whatever sinful way they are acting to be a godly woman ( or godly man) and apply this scripture/proverb to their heart, words, and actions.
I think probably a lot of people read this and at first think of it as to woman, but you are right, all people could benefit from it, as the Bible ( all of it) it for both men and women ( and children to the degree they understand it).
I would say one major theme is for men or woman, is to develop godly character ( no matter what your station in life), for those in some sort of authority, be it in government, business, or as a parent in a home situation etc.
The theme of the book of Proverbs is attaining Knowledge and wisdom.
Behavior and characteristics that I listed would influence family, friends, neighbors and strangers for the gospel and toward godliness........
By being loving........
This is one of the main characters of God, and is one of the things Jesus said would identify us to the world, as in John 13: 34 & 35
This is something that the secular world does not major in ( not really, maybe superficially) rather "self" is what is the world's focus.
Not worrying being peaceful.........
to not worry, points to the God, because we ( I) when trusting in Him can be at peace, because I know He is in control, and will ( at some point) work all things for good.
When things go wrong for the unbeliever they can only worry, because if things are out of their control, they don't have God to rely on and fear and worry is all there is.
being patient .......
Being patient points to waiting on God's timing,
being impatient points to being 'self-centered' and without waiting God on God's timing.
being gentle ....
Gentleness is one of the fruits of the Spirit, so being gentle to others, would point to God, because when a person who does not have the Lord, and is self'centered and not willing to sacrifice, 'self' for another person, that often is expressed with harshness, instead of gentleness.
not gossiping but encouraging......
The Bible tells us not to gossip, but rather to encourage and build one another up... so by not gossiping
( which many non-believers engage in...and unfortunately ba few believers also)
but encouraging,
points to God, the Bible and the gospel
be always honest ( with love)....
Lying is rampant in the culture, and the Bible tells us satan is a liar and the father of it, but God cannot lie....
so being honest points to God
but it must be with love, because God is also love.
show concern for the needy.....
God tells us in scripture to care for the poor and needy, whereas the world may talk about it, but in fact, are much more concerned about getting more and more 'things' for themselves....
but to actually do and care for the needy, points to a God who has provided even the very things for life to all of us ( even the basics such as air ,water, and food etc.).
be careful to not place outward beauty over inward beauty of a godly character.....
In many ways this is one of the harder ones for me, I bought totally into the unsaved cultures high standard of outward beauty, and neglected true inward beauty....
I am remembering to now say more things like: that was kind of you, or I appreciate your honesty etc etc
God puts the highest emphasis on inward godly beauty and to do the same, points people to the gospel that god does not rate people based on outward appearances.
listen carefully and respectfully to even the youngest
often people look down on children, find them a burden, are more into self, etc.
However listening carefully and respectfully points to the truth that even a little child can understand the gospel and God listens to His children the same way.
( and I could have also included being quick to forgive)
Good, but.... So because you are loving toward others, they are influenced to be more loving themselves? Since you don't worry, they see that and wonder why which allows you to tell them about God? When you don't lie, it convicts them when they do which will eventually draw them to the Lord. and etc?
Q.7)
What is God’s assessment of a godly wife/woman? (10,29-31).
She is far more precious than jewels.
“Many women have done excellently,
but you surpass them all.”
a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised
(Notice where these verses giving God’s assessment are situated in this passage. How does this strategic placement of these verses help emphasize the godly value of the woman’s actions, attitudes/attributes, and affecting others contained in the verses in between?)
The first is at the beginning, with the following verses explaining, by her actions, attitudes , how and why, she is far more precious than jewels. Having then listed and explained, God then puts His stamp of approval, saying therefore, she has done excellently , surpassing all others.
Step back and take a “flyover” view of God’s Kingdom: why does God consider a woman’s godly actions, attitudes/attributes, and affecting others to be so vital, precious and praiseworthy?
Because she has so much influence as God's ambassador to point people to God, His /word and to be saved.
Some think God (and the Bible) treat women as “second class citizens” or less valuable than men. What does this passage have to say about that?
I think this proves just the opposite, here are some examples:
She considers a field and buys it
She perceives that her merchandise is profitable
She makes linen garments and sells them;
she delivers sashes to the merchant
She opens her mouth with wisdom,
and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.
Give her of the fruit of her hands,
and let her works praise her in the gates.
Here are some points to consider: why does God consider a woman’s godly actions, attitudes/attributes, and affecting others to be so vital, precious and praiseworthy?
You said it was because a woman has so much influence as God's ambassador to point people to God, His /word and to be saved, but that's true of everyone. How is a woman different from a man in this?
Some think God (and the Bible) treat women as “second class citizens” or less valuable than men. What does this passage have to say about that? What you said shows that God sees us equally but I would think this would also be important: God tells us that a “A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies.” (Proverbs 31:10)
You're doing well hon. Please don't feel like you messed up because you didn't. When you answered the questions showing how you could improve that was great, even though that wasn't what the question was. It was still very worthwhile for you to do. It also showed that we needed to clarify some things, so that was good too. That's what it's all about! I think you just need to take a bit more time with the questions and be more careful reading them. 
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Post by fearnot on Oct 8, 2018 12:14:53 GMT -5
9. In lesson 2, we learned that many scholars believe Lemuel was actually Solomon himself. Compare 1 Kings 11:1-10 with Proverbs 31:10-31.
What were the actions and attitudes/attributes of Solomon’s wives, and how did they affect him?
What was God’s assessment of Solomon for letting them affect him this way?
How does the 1 Kings passage support and prove the Proverbs passage?
What were the actions and attitudes/attributes of Solomon’s wives, and how did they affect him?
Solomon's wives were like the 'world' and it's false gospels,
and it seems the wives may have used their outward beauty, sensuality, etc. to mold Solomon to their false gods thus giving him a divided heart. ( instead of he leading them to the true God) .
It seems tho he had a great mind and could teach others, he did not apply it to himself and it led to his doom.
His love for woman ( right there is a major sin and problem, he should have had just one wife), led to his placing them (as idols) above God,
and slowly on, he gave into their desires for their gods, 9 He was 'tolerant', 'not bigoted or closed or narrow minded' the very things the world accuses Christians today of...
his own heart became divided, as he did not guard his own heart's love for his God.
I wonder if, as he learn to divide his heart's 'love' for many wives,
this added to being able to do the same with many false idols, false religions, etc.
It seems these wives were selfish, and did not put their husband first....they wanted their gods ( and NOT his).
God was angry with Solomon.
But this proves verse 3 in proverbs 31 which says:
3 "Do not give your strength to women,
your ways to those who destroy kings".
His many wives did indeed destroy him.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 8, 2018 13:11:33 GMT -5
How is a woman different from a man in this?
Generally speaking a mom spends more time with the Children and thus by the amount of time alone have more influence possibly ( tho not always, as some mom's work these days, might even be longer than the dad's job does).
Again woman tend to be better communicators, so children, friends etc. often come to a godly mom wife or friend, to talk over life issues.
Woman ( godly women) are 'softer' then men ( not that men cannot have a soft compassionate heart, but their very physical strength leans more towards protection),
and that soft compassionate heart, points towards God's loving and tender heart.
A godly woman at home thinks a lot about others in her home and her self sacrifice points to our Lord's self sacrifice ( whereas a man at work, does not necessarily need to sacrifice in the same manner).
If a godly woman ( be she married, or living with her parents still etc.) does not have a job or children she has to care for all day,
she then has more opportunity ( then most men who are providing for a family), to help others ( the needy, sick, etc.)
I am not sure if I answered the question tho?
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Post by Cindy on Oct 9, 2018 9:48:01 GMT -5
9. In lesson 2, we learned that many scholars believe Lemuel was actually Solomon himself. Compare 1 Kings 11:1-10 with Proverbs 31:10-31.
What were the actions and attitudes/attributes of Solomon’s wives, and how did they affect him?
What was God’s assessment of Solomon for letting them affect him this way?
How does the 1 Kings passage support and prove the Proverbs passage?
What were the actions and attitudes/attributes of Solomon’s wives, and how did they affect him?
Solomon's wives were like the 'world' and it's false gospels,
and it seems the wives may have used their outward beauty, sensuality, etc. to mold Solomon to their false gods thus giving him a divided heart. ( instead of he leading them to the true God) .
It seems tho he had a great mind and could teach others, he did not apply it to himself and it led to his doom.
His love for woman ( right there is a major sin and problem, he should have had just one wife), led to his placing them (as idols) above God,
and slowly on, he gave into their desires for their gods, 9 He was 'tolerant', 'not bigoted or closed or narrow minded' the very things the world accuses Christians today of...
his own heart became divided, as he did not guard his own heart's love for his God.
I wonder if, as he learn to divide his heart's 'love' for many wives,
this added to being able to do the same with many false idols, false religions, etc.
It seems these wives were selfish, and did not put their husband first....they wanted their gods ( and NOT his).
God was angry with Solomon.
But this proves verse 3 in proverbs 31 which says:
3 "Do not give your strength to women,
your ways to those who destroy kings".
His many wives did indeed destroy him.
How is a woman different from a man in this?
Generally speaking a mom spends more time with the Children and thus by the amount of time alone have more influence possibly ( tho not always, as some mom's work these days, might even be longer than the dad's job does).
Again woman tend to be better communicators, so children, friends etc. often come to a godly mom wife or friend, to talk over life issues.
Woman ( godly women) are 'softer' then men ( not that men cannot have a soft compassionate heart, but their very physical strength leans more towards protection),
and that soft compassionate heart, points towards God's loving and tender heart.
A godly woman at home thinks a lot about others in her home and her self sacrifice points to our Lord's self sacrifice ( whereas a man at work, does not necessarily need to sacrifice in the same manner).
If a godly woman ( be she married, or living with her parents still etc.) does not have a job or children she has to care for all day,
she then has more opportunity ( then most men who are providing for a family), to help others ( the needy, sick, etc.)
I am not sure if I answered the question tho?
You said it was because a woman has so much influence as God's ambassador to point people to God, His /word and to be saved, but that's true of everyone. How is a woman different from a man in this?
Mainly what they're getting at is that a godly mother influences her children and trains them up in the way of the Lord, and by doing so, affects the next generation greatly. Because of this, there is no greater position on earth than that of being a mother. We aren't talking about mothers who work here, or worldly mothers, only godly mothers who spend their day with their children, raising them. Nor does it matter what the children decide to do as adults, because the mother has done her job which was to influence them toward the Lord. A godly woman also greatly influences her husband greatly, which affects the world today, so she's affecting both the current generation and the next generation. Of course she influences others she meets as well, but those are the two most important areas she influences, which is why God considers her to be so vital, precious and praiseworthy. I realize that many women today don't like this, but God has ordained that a woman's primary role is to be a wife and a mother. It's not to have a career, or a leadership role in a church, or anything else. When we obey God and are the best, most godly women we can be with His help, many souls can be added to God's Kingdom, and there's nothing more important than that, so God considers it vital.
You still have quite a bit to go over and check from what I posted yesterday, so I'll leave you to that. As I said before, I think you just need to take more time with the questions and be more careful reading them and answering them. Maybe you're trying to do to much.... I'm not sure....
Also, don't forget the "homework".
I'll go ahead and post the next one for you anyway.
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Post by Cindy on Oct 9, 2018 10:05:12 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 4 by Michelle Lesley
Read: Genesis 1:26-31, Psalm 139:13-16, Psalm 100:3, Psalm 103:14, Psalm 78:39, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Ephesians 4:24, and Ephesians 2:10. You can read them all here: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A26-31%2C+Psalm+139%3A13-16%2C+ps+100%3A3%2C+Psalm+103%3A14%2C+ps+78%3A39%2C+2+cor+5%3A17%2C+eph+4%3A24%2C+2%3A10&version=ESV
Michelle feels as I do and prefers the 84 NIV, but since most sites have update to the new NIV, neither of us will use that, so use the ESV instead.
Questions to Consider
1. What is the overall theme of this selection of Scriptures?
2. Who created women? (Genesis 1:26, Psalm 139:13) What does it mean for a woman to be made in the imago dei or “image of God”? What are some of the attributes and characteristics of God that we reflect? What are some attitudes of our hearts and things we do that do not reflect the image of God well?
3. What is the significance of the words “us” and “our” in Genesis 1:26 with relationship to a) God’s nature and b) to the creation of mankind? Consider the nature and attributes of each member of the Trinity. How would people be different if we were created only in God the Father’s image? Only in the Son’s or Spirit’s image?
4. How does God characterize His creation of humans? (Genesis 1:31) How did the Holy Spirit inspire David to characterize the creation of humans? (Psalm 139:14-15) How do the Genesis 1 and Psalm 139 passages describe God’s intentionality and precision in creating people? Has God ever made a mistake in the way He created a person? How would you counsel a friend struggling with a congenital disability, anorexia or body dysmorphia, homosexuality (“I was born this way.”) or transgenderism (“I was born with the wrong genitalia.”) with the Genesis 1 and Psalm 139 passages?
5. Examine Psalm 100:3 and Romans 9:20-21, and explain God’s sovereign right to ownership of and rule over His Creation (people). How is our sin a rebellion against God’s right to rule over us?
6. Put Psalm 103:14 and 78:39 into your own words. What is the main idea of these verses? Does God’s understanding of, and compassion for, our human frailty excuse our sin? Why or why not? Explain how God’s awareness of our feebleness is woven into both the law and the gospel. (ex: Did God create laws that were too lofty or difficult for frail humans to obey? Can people save themselves by their own strength?)
7. Compare and contrast the “new creation” of being born again in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17, Ephesians 4:24, 2:10) to the bodily creation of humans (Genesis 1:26-31, Psalm 139:13-16). How does the bodily creation point ahead to the spiritual creation? What purpose does God give us in each creation? What are some similarities and differences between the two creations?
8. Why is it an important component of the spiritual life of Christian women to understand that:
• God made us.
• Because God made us, He has a right to own and rule us.
• God made us with intentionality and for specific purposes.
• God made us to reflect His image.
• Our imperfections and issues with the way we were created are not God’s fault, but the result of sin.
How do these concepts help us understand that we were created at God’s good pleasure for His glory?
Homework
God is a Trinity: one God in three persons – the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Since God is triune, and we are made in His image, does that mean we are also trichotomous beings (body, soul, and spirit)? Or are we dichotomous beings (body and soul/spirit)? Which Scriptures support your position? Is this a question we can definitively and unequivocally know the answer to while we’re on earth? Does it matter? If not, why would Christians study this question?
Suggested Memory Verse
Know that the Lord, he is God!
It is he who made us, and we are his;
we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
Psalm 100:3
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
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Post by fearnot on Oct 9, 2018 12:45:45 GMT -5
I was scrolling up trying to find the last question you said I did not answer...I can't find it
however, the strange thing is I found a long post to me, that I somehow entirely missed!!!
Thank you so much for that post. In it you were talking about laziness.
I think, you are mostly right.
At least ...1/2... of my 'laziness is due to health and lack of sleep.
It is not that I do not want to do more, I do....
but I have almost all my life, not been a person of boundless energy.
And I do continue to try to find ways to rev up....but it 'seems' like no matter what I try
be in good foods
supplements
vitamins
herbs
trying to get sleep.....yes, I continue to try all manner of things in order to sleep
and so on
I can't seem to get there.
I do think tho, some may be a 'type' of laziness
there is that part of me that would rather be reading ( something that's from my youth)
I used to be able to walk most days and that is something I miss greatly....this is the first summer that I basically did not walk almost at all.
I think I got in 1/4 a couple of times.....maybe.
I did get a laugh when you were talking about the vegetable garden as not a written in stone ( so to speak) necessity....and more than planting a vineyard LOL
That was funny!!
I got the point.
I am not sure what my problem is tho with not be able to answer the questions correctly....it might seem like I may be spending 15 mins or less on them, but actually, it mostly like 2 hours....even if I only write a few sentences
Still, It does not seem to matter...if it were 15 mins ( I think once it was in fact like about 20 mins) or 2 plus hours.....I still am not doing well.
I feel like I am learning irregardless but not what I should be sigh LOL
I will keep plugging away.
I do enjoy going over something way more deeply tho.
I was reading last night that John MacArthur ( yet again) spent 90 days reading Colossians every day!!!
And he said, He still finds many 'new' things ( I am paraphrasing).
I guess, after 90 days one would begin to slow down and really read carefully what God says.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 9, 2018 13:00:20 GMT -5
Oh wait, I think I did answer the last question but you may not have realized it because I was not clear so I will try again.
Question:
How does the 1 Kings passage support and prove the Proverbs passage?
The 1st Kings 11 passage:
2 “You must not intermarry with them, because they will surely turn your hearts after their gods.
6 So Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the Lord and did not wholly follow the Lord, as David his father had done. 7 Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, and for Molech the abomination of the Ammonites, on the mountain east of Jerusalem. 8 And so he did for all his foreign wives, who made offerings and sacrificed to their gods.”
Proverbs 31:3
3 "Do not give your strength to women,
your ways to those who destroy kings".
Solomon did intermarry with foreign wives who worshiped false idols and false gods....
and His many wives did indeed destroy him....because
1st Kings 11:4
4 "As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods,v and his heart was not fully devoted to the Lord his God, as the heart of David his father had been"
and the true God was angry with Solomon.
I think, I only wrote they destroyed him and God was angry because after about 2 hours, I was starting to fall asleep and could not write it all out....but wanted to write something....
but even tho this is what I would have written, I am not sure it is the correct answer.
You asked what am I actually doing now.
it's hard for me to think of things because I don't 'do' a lot.
However, tho this is not a real thing I am doing, I have stayed married for 46 years and counting when like any marriage it had its ups and downs)
Also I do spend time with Devon ( and some with Vanessa) and give them some of the Lords principles
and
I am usually kindhearted to them ( and others....I am probably less so with Doug or he may think so because I won't stay and chat with him for any length of time).
They know I do my Bible study
I am reading to Devon the Left Behind Kids right now
I do what I can to help Hossanah because I love her so I want to ( its not something I grumble about)....well maybe once or twice 1/2 humorous because it was soooo late at night ( she calls it morning ....I call it NIGHT!!! LOL)
I am not sure what else I missed....I will try and find it but I may go on to the next lesson until you let me know
if
I cannot find the questions I did not do
or
did not answer the actual questions that were asked
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Post by fearnot on Oct 9, 2018 15:50:55 GMT -5
Question 1.) What is the overall theme of this selection of Scriptures?
A) That God created us and we belong to Him.
2. Who created women? (Genesis 1:26, Psalm 139:13) What does it mean for a woman to be made in the imago dei or “image of God”? What are some of the attributes and characteristics of God that we reflect? What are some attitudes of our hearts and things we do that do not reflect the image of God well?
A)
God created woman ( and men of course).
A woman has a physical body, like every other living thing on earth but being in the image of God, has an eternal spirit.
We have the attributes of God in that we can make choices, and reason, we can 'create', we can love and have compassion, we can be just, etc.
Things unlike God is sin...gossip, hate, murder, sexual immorality, lying, stealing, etc.
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Post by Cindy on Oct 10, 2018 10:51:48 GMT -5
I was scrolling up trying to find the last question you said I did not answer...I can't find it
however, the strange thing is I found a long post to me, that I somehow entirely missed!!!
Thank you so much for that post. In it you were talking about laziness.
I think, you are mostly right.
At least ...1/2... of my 'laziness is due to health and lack of sleep.
It is not that I do not want to do more, I do....
but I have almost all my life, not been a person of boundless energy.
And I do continue to try to find ways to rev up....but it 'seems' like no matter what I try
be in good foods
supplements
vitamins
herbs
trying to get sleep.....yes, I continue to try all manner of things in order to sleep
and so on
I can't seem to get there.
I do think tho, some may be a 'type' of laziness
there is that part of me that would rather be reading ( something that's from my youth)
I used to be able to walk most days and that is something I miss greatly....this is the first summer that I basically did not walk almost at all.
I think I got in 1/4 a couple of times.....maybe.
I did get a laugh when you were talking about the vegetable garden as not a written in stone ( so to speak) necessity....and more than planting a vineyard LOL
That was funny!!
I got the point.
I am not sure what my problem is tho with not be able to answer the questions correctly....it might seem like I may be spending 15 mins or less on them, but actually, it mostly like 2 hours....even if I only write a few sentences
Still, It does not seem to matter...if it were 15 mins ( I think once it was in fact like about 20 mins) or 2 plus hours.....I still am not doing well.
I feel like I am learning irregardless but not what I should be sigh LOL
I will keep plugging away.
I do enjoy going over something way more deeply tho.
I was reading last night that John MacArthur ( yet again) spent 90 days reading Colossians every day!!!
And he said, He still finds many 'new' things ( I am paraphrasing).
I guess, after 90 days one would begin to slow down and really read carefully what God says. Oh wait, I think I did answer the last question but you may not have realized it because I was not clear so I will try again.
Question:
How does the 1 Kings passage support and prove the Proverbs passage?
The 1st Kings 11 passage:
2 “You must not intermarry with them, because they will surely turn your hearts after their gods.
6 So Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the Lord and did not wholly follow the Lord, as David his father had done. 7 Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, and for Molech the abomination of the Ammonites, on the mountain east of Jerusalem. 8 And so he did for all his foreign wives, who made offerings and sacrificed to their gods.”
Proverbs 31:3
3 "Do not give your strength to women,
your ways to those who destroy kings".
Solomon did intermarry with foreign wives who worshiped false idols and false gods....
and His many wives did indeed destroy him....because
1st Kings 11:4
4 "As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods,v and his heart was not fully devoted to the Lord his God, as the heart of David his father had been"
and the true God was angry with Solomon.
I think, I only wrote they destroyed him and God was angry because after about 2 hours, I was starting to fall asleep and could not write it all out....but wanted to write something....
but even tho this is what I would have written, I am not sure it is the correct answer.
You asked what am I actually doing now.
it's hard for me to think of things because I don't 'do' a lot.
However, tho this is not a real thing I am doing, I have stayed married for 46 years and counting when like any marriage it had its ups and downs)
Also I do spend time with Devon ( and some with Vanessa) and give them some of the Lords principles
and
I am usually kindhearted to them ( and others....I am probably less so with Doug or he may think so because I won't stay and chat with him for any length of time).
They know I do my Bible study
I am reading to Devon the Left Behind Kids right now
I do what I can to help Hossanah because I love her so I want to ( its not something I grumble about)....well maybe once or twice 1/2 humorous because it was soooo late at night ( she calls it morning ....I call it NIGHT!!! LOL)
I am not sure what else I missed....I will try and find it but I may go on to the next lesson until you let me know
if
I cannot find the questions I did not do
or
did not answer the actual questions that were asked
I'll quote my post and put the questions in red for you.... But first let me explain what I was doing in my post.... You weren't answering the question of how you were doing these things now, but instead were simply describing what you thought the verses said the godly woman did and what that meant you should do - You were looking at her actions instead of her character. (It probably threw you off because the first question was to list the actions of a godly wife) So I tried to show you that by replying to each of your answers and then finally by even quoting the scripture and then showing you what it actually was talking about. So basically, you need to re-read my post so you understand what a godly woman is, and then answer the questions: List the actions which typify a godly wife/woman (13-22, 24,26). Remembering that she's not asking what the Prov 31 woman did in those verses, she's asking what the actions of a godly wife would be now. And then answering: In what ways are you performing similar actions in your own life? All of that part of my post is me trying to explain this to you.
Q) 4. List the actions which typify a godly wife/woman (13-22, 24,26). In what ways are you performing similar actions in your own life?
A)
1) she works with 'willing' hands
For me that means don't grumble about 'work'
2) she provides good nourishing food ( within her budget or ability to pay)
For me, that means waaaay cutting back on sweets, candy, and focusing even more on healthy nutritious food)
3) she is not a 'slug-a-bed'
This is a big problem for me, I either have nights of no sleep
or
I find I am very sleepy throughout the day
4) one way to get good food for her family is her own garden
I am thinking I need to give more of my tiny tiny plot to veggies, herbs etc. and less flowers so as to have good food
5) she works on being strong and healthy in order to take care for others.
Again, a very very difficult thing for me,
nevertheless, I can my make effort to be more strong and healthy
6)She does what she can to bring in supplemental income
for me, I need to reconsider my art work ( when or if an opportunity arises)
and not to automatically give into laziness and fall back on being 'retired' from selling paintings.
7) she helps the needy
I do this occasionally...but my laziness and/or pain keeps this to less than I want, so I need to pick up the pace because time is drawing short.
8)She is prepared for winter
i need to be more careful for Leonard, he suffers the cold a lot lately and I always need the window cracked a bit for fresh air. but I may need to close it all together this winter.
9) her character is good and she supports her husband
I need to be more supportive of my husband!!!
10) she is dignified
I have to become more so.
she is wise and teaches kindness
I do some of this, but again, I need to pick up the pace.
You said she wasn't a 'slug-a-bed' and said that was a problem for you. Hon, you're making it sound like you think you're lazy. Are you really? A lazy person is someone who has the physical ability and energy to get out of bed and attend to things, but doesn't so so; this is their lifestyle, not an occasional thing. You aren't healthy and you have insomnia. From what you've told me before, you want to be able to sleep at night, but you often can't, and you do all you can do to make sure you can sleep at night, but it simply often doesn't work. Is that true? Have you given up doing what you can to try and sleep at night? Or have you finally gotten to the point where you accept that there will be nights when you can't sleep even though you've done what you can, and you deal with it as best you can the next day? I suspect that the latter is true, and if so, you are not lazy. This psalm is speaking about a young healthy woman, not someone over 60 that's disabled!
That doesn't mean that we can't learn something from it to help us. Certainly we don't want to be lazy and we should do our best always because we know that everything we do, whether it's watching our grandkids, caring for our husband, or cleaning our house, we're doing for the Lord because He is our Master. So yes, you should continue to do your best to get plenty of sleep each night. I've looked up many articles about insomnia and taken many of their tips to help overcome it to heart, and I'm sure you have too. One thing to remember though is not to forget to go back to those articles every once in a while and see if we're still doing all we can, or if perhaps there's something new we might try to help us. One obstacle I had to overcome was looking at their tips and thinking I couldn't do those things because I either didn't have the room or the money. Instead, I prayed for the Lord to help me do them, even if it was a little at a time, and eventually I was able to. For some I had to talk to Bruce about to get his help and cooperation and that can be a challenge to, one I had to again remember to take to the Lord and not think it's hopeless. In your 4th answer you spoke about her garden and how you should then change your garden. Just because she's growing vegetables, doesn't mean you have to! That's what they had to do in those days as there was no such thing as a grocery store and was the only way to get any kind of food, much less "good food"! (other than meat of course) On the other hand, if it's something you WANT to do, then fine. But doing so isn't "obeying scripture" anymore than planting a vineyard would be! Yes, she took care of her body but she had no idea about "eating right" like we do. They didn't know about those things then. They ate what they had and felt good about it. Some of it was healthy and some wasn't.
Again, as far as supplemental incomes go, God doesn't expect everyone to do that. You need to remember who this was written to and why? She would be the wife of the King, a Queen, and they had to have enough to care for many more people then just their immediate family.
You keep bringing up your laziness but again, are you really lazy? I realize that we all want to do more than we're able to do, I know I sure do; and I know that we all have times when we have enough "time" to do something, and just don't feel like it. Sure, some of those times, we probably should get up and do something, but it's also OK to sometimes just take a break too, especially since we live with pain.
Yes, caring for and supporting our husbands is something we can all learn from this! As far as winter goes, maybe you have time to come up with a compromise that you can both be helped by.
You also mentioned that her character was good, but said nothing about that really, and her character is the main point of this whole thing.
This was good and I'm glad you wrote it but it wasn't quite what the question asked. She asked us to write what was we were already doing these things. Let's look at the question again and compare your answers. It was a two part question:
4. List the actions which typify a godly wife/woman (Proverbs 31:13-22, Proverbs 31:24, Proverbs 31:26). In what ways are you performing similar actions in your own life?
Working with willing hands and not grumbling, not being lazy, helping the needy, taking care of her body, are certainly characteristics of a godly wife. But does a woman have to have a garden or a supplemental income in order to be a godly wife? Of course not. Must she be strong or healthy to be a godly wife? No! Must she be prepared for winter? I'd say a godly wife should be prepared for the normal things that always happen, such as having a budget for their bills, keeping her home stocked as well as she can of necessities, including things like having warm blankets for the winter, or if they use a wood furnace, getting the wood well ahead of time, etc. So if a godly wife doesn't have to have a garden or a supplemental income, or be strong or healthy, what are those verses saying about her?
“She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar.” (Proverbs 31:13–14) Here she's getting material for clothing, blankets, towels, etc and a variety of food. Selecting food from afar simply means she's gone to the town square where the food is sold, and gets food that she can't grow that's grown in other places and sold there. That doesn't mean that a godly wife needs to get food from other countries or go to many different stores to buy her food. It's simply saying that she does what she needs to in order to get a variety of food for all who will eat with them and the material she needs to make everything they need. We don't have to do that anymore. We can buy clothes and blankets, towels, etc if we want to. The verse shows she does this with eagerness (eager hands). So in other words, a godly wife doesn't hate her normal chores such as grocery shopping, and getting other necessities, and doesn't go about them complaining, like you said. She looks forward to being able to feed and clothe her family and anyone else she can. “She gets up while it is still dark; she provides food for her family and portions for her servant girls.” (Proverbs 31:15) a godly wife doesn't have to get up when it's dark, but she does have to get up after getting enough sleep so she can get everything done that she needs to. In other words, as you said, she doesn't have time to be lazy. “She considers a field and buys it; out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.” (Proverbs 31:16) No, a godly wife doesn't have to go buy a field and plant it lol. Instead a godly woman won't be stopped because she doesn't have the money to do something that's needed for her family. She will learn to use what she already has in a variety of ways that those things might not normally be used for, and perhaps sell things she no longer needs so she can get something else she does need, and if the Lord calls her to it, certainly she may do some kind of work to earn some extra money for her family. “She sets about her work vigorously; her arms are strong for her tasks.” (Proverbs 31:17) In other words she recognizes that some work is hard, but her attitude is that of being willing to work hard. If she's unable to do something at first, she doesn't give up, but continues to try and work at it until she can do it. “She sees that her trading is profitable, and her lamp does not go out at night.” (Proverbs 31:18) a godly woman doesn't have to trade, but a godly woman would not waste her money or spend it easily. She would use her money wisely. A godly woman doesn't stop all work when it's dark. Men worked during the day and when it got dark, it was time to eat and go to bed. A woman can't do that. She has chores to do at the end of the day. Bruce and I head to bed at 9 every night. Bruce is actually in bed by 9:05. I don't get into bed till 9:30 or 10 because I need to pick up things that are laying around, wash and or put away any dishes used since dinner time, make sure the cats have fresh food and water for the night, take whatever we'll have for supper the next night out of the freezer, set up our meds for the next day, etc. As my mother always said, "a man may work from sun to sun but a woman's work is never done" And so on...... The only other one I'll touch on is: “She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue.” (Proverbs 31:26) A godly woman who speaks with wisdom and faithful instruction is one who speaks from her knowledge of God's Word.
Now that we understand what the verses are saying about a godly woman we need to look at the second part of the question: In what ways are you performing similar actions in your own life? You spoke of some ways you could improve, but how are you doing those things now?
As far as the themes go, can only a King use what was written in the first part? If not, who else could benefit from it and how? the themes of this proverb? What is the theme or purpose of this book?
You listed ways you are influencing them but didn't describe how those things would influence them for the gospel and toward godliness........
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The advise and/or commands give in this proverbs, are good for everyone, man or woman...then and now. They can benefit from it by praying about it, asking the Lord to help them turn from whatever sinful way they are acting to be a godly woman ( or godly man) and apply this scripture/proverb to their heart, words, and actions.
I think probably a lot of people read this and at first think of it as to woman, but you are right, all people could benefit from it, as the Bible ( all of it) it for both men and women ( and children to the degree they understand it).
I would say one major theme is for men or woman, is to develop godly character ( no matter what your station in life), for those in some sort of authority, be it in government, business, or as a parent in a home situation etc.
The theme of the book of Proverbs is attaining Knowledge and wisdom.
Behavior and characteristics that I listed would influence family, friends, neighbors and strangers for the gospel and toward godliness........
By being loving........
This is one of the main characters of God, and is one of the things Jesus said would identify us to the world, as in John 13: 34 & 35
This is something that the secular world does not major in ( not really, maybe superficially) rather "self" is what is the world's focus.
Not worrying being peaceful.........
to not worry, points to the God, because we ( I) when trusting in Him can be at peace, because I know He is in control, and will ( at some point) work all things for good.
When things go wrong for the unbeliever they can only worry, because if things are out of their control, they don't have God to rely on and fear and worry is all there is.
being patient .......
Being patient points to waiting on God's timing,
being impatient points to being 'self-centered' and without waiting God on God's timing.
being gentle ....
Gentleness is one of the fruits of the Spirit, so being gentle to others, would point to God, because when a person who does not have the Lord, and is self'centered and not willing to sacrifice, 'self' for another person, that often is expressed with harshness, instead of gentleness.
not gossiping but encouraging......
The Bible tells us not to gossip, but rather to encourage and build one another up... so by not gossiping
( which many non-believers engage in...and unfortunately ba few believers also)
but encouraging,
points to God, the Bible and the gospel
be always honest ( with love)....
Lying is rampant in the culture, and the Bible tells us satan is a liar and the father of it, but God cannot lie....
so being honest points to God
but it must be with love, because God is also love.
show concern for the needy.....
God tells us in scripture to care for the poor and needy, whereas the world may talk about it, but in fact, are much more concerned about getting more and more 'things' for themselves....
but to actually do and care for the needy, points to a God who has provided even the very things for life to all of us ( even the basics such as air ,water, and food etc.).
be careful to not place outward beauty over inward beauty of a godly character.....
In many ways this is one of the harder ones for me, I bought totally into the unsaved cultures high standard of outward beauty, and neglected true inward beauty....
I am remembering to now say more things like: that was kind of you, or I appreciate your honesty etc etc
God puts the highest emphasis on inward godly beauty and to do the same, points people to the gospel that god does not rate people based on outward appearances.
listen carefully and respectfully to even the youngest
often people look down on children, find them a burden, are more into self, etc.
However listening carefully and respectfully points to the truth that even a little child can understand the gospel and God listens to His children the same way.
( and I could have also included being quick to forgive)
Good, but.... So because you are loving toward others, they are influenced to be more loving themselves? Since you don't worry, they see that and wonder why which allows you to tell them about God? When you don't lie, it convicts them when they do which will eventually draw them to the Lord. and etc? Do you see the difference? Do you want to give it another try?
Q.7)
What is God’s assessment of a godly wife/woman? (10,29-31).
She is far more precious than jewels.
“Many women have done excellently,
but you surpass them all.”
a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised
(Notice where these verses giving God’s assessment are situated in this passage. How does this strategic placement of these verses help emphasize the godly value of the woman’s actions, attitudes/attributes, and affecting others contained in the verses in between?)
The first is at the beginning, with the following verses explaining, by her actions, attitudes , how and why, she is far more precious than jewels. Having then listed and explained, God then puts His stamp of approval, saying therefore, she has done excellently , surpassing all others.
Step back and take a “flyover” view of God’s Kingdom: why does God consider a woman’s godly actions, attitudes/attributes, and affecting others to be so vital, precious and praiseworthy?
Because she has so much influence as God's ambassador to point people to God, His /word and to be saved.
Some think God (and the Bible) treat women as “second class citizens” or less valuable than men. What does this passage have to say about that?
I think this proves just the opposite, here are some examples:
She considers a field and buys it
She perceives that her merchandise is profitable
She makes linen garments and sells them;
she delivers sashes to the merchant
She opens her mouth with wisdom,
and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.
Give her of the fruit of her hands,
and let her works praise her in the gates.
Here are some points to consider: why does God consider a woman’s godly actions, attitudes/attributes, and affecting others to be so vital, precious and praiseworthy?
You said it was because a woman has so much influence as God's ambassador to point people to God, His /word and to be saved, but that's true of everyone. How is a woman different from a man in this?
Some think God (and the Bible) treat women as “second class citizens” or less valuable than men. What does this passage have to say about that? What you said shows that God sees us equally but I would think this would also be important: God tells us that a “A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies.” (Proverbs 31:10)
You're doing well hon. Please don't feel like you messed up because you didn't. When you answered the questions showing how you could improve that was great, even though that wasn't what the question was. It was still very worthwhile for you to do. It also showed that we needed to clarify some things, so that was good too. That's what it's all about! I think you just need to take a bit more time with the questions and be more careful reading them.
Question 1.) What is the overall theme of this selection of Scriptures?
A) That God created us and we belong to Him.
2. Who created women? (Genesis 1:26, Psalm 139:13) What does it mean for a woman to be made in the imago dei or “image of God”? What are some of the attributes and characteristics of God that we reflect? What are some attitudes of our hearts and things we do that do not reflect the image of God well?
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God created woman ( and men of course).
A woman has a physical body, like every other living thing on earth but being in the image of God, has an eternal spirit.
We have the attributes of God in that we can make choices, and reason, we can 'create', we can love and have compassion, we can be just, etc.
Things unlike God is sin...gossip, hate, murder, sexual immorality, lying, stealing, etc.
Very good answers! Let me share a bit of what others say about the "image of God": The “image of God” would be the God-given mental & spiritual capacities that enable people to relate to God & to serve him by ruling over the created order as his earthly vice-regents.
From the very beginning we see the first man, Adam, with God-like characteristics such as speech, reason, creativity, and moral consciousness.
Man is a living being capable of embodying God’s communicable attributes. In his rational life, he was like God in that he could reason & had intellect, will, & emotion. In the moral sense, he was like God because he was good & sinless.
Your personality, sex, height, features, etc are what they are because God made them precisely that way. He made you the way he did because that is the way He wants you to be…. Your genes & chromosomes & creaturely distinctives - even the shape of your nose & ears-are what they are by God’s design. The application of this truth should be clear to us. If I have difficulty accepting myself the way God made me, then I have a controversy with God. (MacArthur)
Boy, God got me good on this one yesterday! I've plucked the hair off my chin since I was a teenager. Started out just plucking one or two but over the years, just as my mom warned me, it grew and grew until the past couple of years, I've had to pluck everything from half of my chin down! I'm so tired of it that I asked the Lord to cause the hairs to grow back the way He intended them to and I wouldn't pluck them anymore. (because it's hard for me to stand long enough to do it anyway). So I left my chin alone. After a couple of days, I looked in the mirror and freaked out lol! I thought it looked awful! But then I realized that I was looking at the magnifying mirror that magnifies things times 10. So I drew back and looked in the regular mirror, and imagined I was looking at another person, not myself. And you know what? I couldn't see anything on my chin! It looked basically like a regular chin. Ok, I thought, then I'll let it go for a bit longer. Well, yesterday made it about a week and I looked again and thought it looked like a forest! Again I remembered I was looking in a magnifying mirror and drew back and looked in the regular one. (I'm always also talking to the Lord when this is going on) Again I have to admit it doesn't look bad, it just looks normal and I'm not used to seeing anything there but bare skin. Well I still feel a bit unsettled about it because I don't want my husband to think I'm ugly to look at, so last night I just came out and asked him. I didn't want to explain why I was asking about my chin, so all I could think of to say, "Does it look like I'm growing a beard"?  Needless to say, he was shocked at my question.  He said, "Of course not!" I said, "no, really, look at my chin..." so he did, and said, "I don't see anything that's different from anyone else..." I just said, "Ok, thanks!" and dropped the subject. So now I don't have to spend any time in front of the mirror at all anymore, as that was the only time I did and I hated having to do it. (Well, I look in the morning real quick to make sure I don't have dried drool on my face LOL but that only takes a second and that's all) This study made me think of it because I was talking to God about how He created me and He could put the hair back right!  Plus, my granddaughter was getting ready for school the other morning and her friend who always puts lots of "product" in her hair, like hairspray etc wanted to help her. But Gracie didn't like it and told her mom that she looked beautiful without anything like that or make up either! I cheered her on and told her she was absolutely right! That if she wanted others to think she was beautiful, all she had to do was work on having a gentle, sweet, loving spirit and that would shine through her all the time causing others to think she was always beautiful!
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Post by fearnot on Oct 10, 2018 12:28:47 GMT -5
A) 3. What is the significance of the words “us” and “our” in Genesis 1:26 with relationship to:
a) God’s nature
and b) to the creation of mankind?
Consider the nature and attributes of each member of the Trinity. How would people be different if we were created only in God the Father’s image?
Only in the Son’s or Spirit’s image?
4. How does God characterize His creation of humans? (Genesis 1:31)
Q) The significance of the words “us” and “our” in Genesis 1:26 with relationship to:
a) God’s nature..... is one God but 3 persons.
and b) to the creation of mankind?
All 3 took part in the creation of mankind.
Q) How would people be different if we were created only in God the Father’s image and/or the Holy Spirit?
A) They would have the ability to think, speak, choose,appreciate, worship etc.
but...
they would not have a body ( as the Father and the Holy Spirit are 'spirit'),
so they could not create things with their hands (both physical like buildings, bridges etc and things like art, music, literature, etc., nor could they produce children.
Only Jesus, God the Son,
took on human form, so we would be able to do all the things a 'body' can do, plus they 'spiritual things like: have fellowship, worship etc.
Q) 4. How does God characterize His creation of humans? (Genesis 1:31)
A) as being very good.
I was going to try to continue and answer a few more, but again last night I only got, at most, maybe 1/2 hour sleep....
in addition was sneezing, congested, and had/have a sore throat and aches, pains and a headache.
So you have even suggested I slow down a little, so rather than just pushing thru and not concentrating ( because I am very tired and starting to fall asleep).....I will just stop here for today....
Plus, I will better know if I am sort of on the right track ( instead of having several questions all wrong, it will be just one and part of another....I think
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Post by Cindy on Oct 11, 2018 10:49:34 GMT -5
A) 3. What is the significance of the words “us” and “our” in Genesis 1:26 with relationship to:
a) God’s nature
and b) to the creation of mankind?
Consider the nature and attributes of each member of the Trinity. How would people be different if we were created only in God the Father’s image?
Only in the Son’s or Spirit’s image?
4. How does God characterize His creation of humans? (Genesis 1:31)
Q) The significance of the words “us” and “our” in Genesis 1:26 with relationship to:
a) God’s nature..... is one God but 3 persons.
and b) to the creation of mankind?
All 3 took part in the creation of mankind.
Q) How would people be different if we were created only in God the Father’s image and/or the Holy Spirit?
A) They would have the ability to think, speak, choose,appreciate, worship etc.
but...
they would not have a body ( as the Father and the Holy Spirit are 'spirit'),
so they could not create things with their hands (both physical like buildings, bridges etc and things like art, music, literature, etc., nor could they produce children.
Only Jesus, God the Son,
took on human form, so we would be able to do all the things a 'body' can do, plus they 'spiritual things like: have fellowship, worship etc.
Q) 4. How does God characterize His creation of humans? (Genesis 1:31)
A) as being very good.
I was going to try to continue and answer a few more, but again last night I only got, at most, maybe 1/2 hour sleep....
in addition was sneezing, congested, and had/have a sore throat and aches, pains and a headache.
So you have even suggested I slow down a little, so rather than just pushing thru and not concentrating ( because I am very tired and starting to fall asleep).....I will just stop here for today....
Plus, I will better know if I am sort of on the right track ( instead of having several questions all wrong, it will be just one and part of another....I think
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Q) How would people be different if we were created only in God the Father’s image and/or the Holy Spirit?
A) They would have the ability to think, speak, choose,appreciate, worship etc.
but...
they would not have a body ( as the Father and the Holy Spirit are 'spirit'),
so they could not create things with their hands (both physical like buildings, bridges etc and things like art, music, literature, etc., nor could they produce children.
Only Jesus, God the Son,
took on human form, so we would be able to do all the things a 'body' can do, plus they 'spiritual things like: have fellowship, worship etc.
If that was true, then how come all the people born before Jesus was incarnated where just like us? The question said to consider the nature and attributes of each person of the Trinity and then answer the question. Each person of the Trinity has the exact same nature and attributes, because after all, they are "one". God the Father is loving, so is God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit and so on. About this verse: “Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”” (Genesis 1:26) you had already said that one God in 3 persons, and the verse shows that all three took part in creation. This is also supported by other scriptures even in the NT. Yesterday we spoke about being created "in God's image" and what that meant, which you obviously understood, and yet now you're trying to say that the only reason we have a body is because Jesus was incarnated on the earth 2000 years ago. I think you really need to re-think this one. Also let me know what you think of my previous post.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 11, 2018 12:15:29 GMT -5
I agree with you...I was really trying to stretch for that....and it was wrong.
Well, I guess the part about God the Father and the Holy being Spirit is true, but that has nothing to do with their 'personality', attributes etc.
But like you said, they all have the same attributes like love, justice, compassion, no sin, all knowing, all powerful, eternal etc.
So that has me stumped, as to how people would be if the had only the Father, of Son or Holy spirit.
The Holy Spirit points to Jesus, so maybe if we only had Him we would also be pointing to Jesus, but...i am not sure that is what she is asking.
If we just had God the Father, we would not have Jesus dying for our sins so we could be saved.
OH I totally related to your earlier post, in fact, it's what I do also...
tho, in a way, I don't find it as 'tiring' ?.... to do.
I guess, there is a weird part of me, that sort of enjoys 'cleaning' it up?
I am still sick today also.....almost zero energy too.
When I woke up and tried to get up ( to get breakfast etc.) I just immediately fell back to sleep....
Which is what I am going to do now..go to sleep....in fact I fell asleep tying this and my finger must have hit the letter e because I quickly woke back up only to see lines of eeeeeeeeeeeee Ha ha
anyway in a little while I will t try answer a few questions ( or just one)
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Post by fearnot on Oct 11, 2018 19:03:42 GMT -5
How did the Holy Spirit inspire David to characterize the creation of humans? (Psalm 139:14-15)
I am fearfully and wonderfully made
Wonderful
not hidden from you ( from God)
made in secret,
intricately woven ( I think DNA)
How do the Genesis 1 and Psalm 139 passages describe God’s intentionality and precision in creating people?
'intricately' is what DNA is ans shows God's supreme intelligence and precision in storing massive amounts of information!! Answer in Genesis says this even:
"DNA even has a built-in proofreader and spell-checker that ensure precise copying. "
But we are more than just molecules AIG also said:
"...even though identical twin babies have 100% identical DNA, they have different fingerprints"!!!
But even more to the point in Genesis God says:
"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....that is certainly more than a bucket of primordial slime or goo!!!
Has God ever made a mistake in the way He created a person?
No....even when it may seem that way to humans ( like a 'genetic error').
How would you counsel a friend struggling with a congenital disability, anorexia or body dysmorphia, homosexuality (“I was born this way.”) or transgenderism (“I was born with the wrong genitalia.”) with the Genesis 1 and Psalm 139 passages?
For those that are homosexual or call themselves transgender I might first point out the 'physical/scientific facts ( especially if they are wanting surgery and/or drugs etc.) :
"Gender reassignment surgery does not change a person’s sex,
sex is determined by X and Y chromosomes contained in every cell in the body.
Male to female sex change surgery is a cosmetic change only." Creation.com
but more importantly explain that God made us and He did not make a mistake when they are one sex and want to be another ( and perhaps at some point in the conversation I might even mention some humans were chosen, not to marry)
and assuming they may not be Christians ( tho even if they were) they can find rest for their confusion in Jesus.
And actually the same truth would be true for someone suffering from anorexia or a congenital disability, they can trust in the Lord.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 12, 2018 11:53:38 GMT -5
99% of the time, I agree with your thoughtful, helpful and kind corrections......but the one about Jesus body and how I wrote the sentence, I can see you could but think I meant it the way I wrote....but I didn't mean it that way, I just did not word it correctly ( at all....)
it was a very awkward and clumsy sentence construction....
which I often do unfortunately.....
I will make an effort to pay more attention
I wrote:
Only Jesus, God the Son,
took on human form,
That should have been a stand alone sentence.....with a period at the end.
I actually was 'just' saying ( making an obvious statement), that was a difference between God the Son.....and God the Father and God the Holy Spirit...in that Jesus took on human form.
so we would be able to do all the things a 'body' can do,
the word 'SO' made it seem like I meant, because Jesus had a body we thus had one
But actually I did not mean that 'so'
to mean,
therefore
or
because
I meant it as a stand alone sentence also.....
so we would be able to do all the things a 'body' can do,
In fact the word 'so'..... should not have even been there.
If I were talking face to face to someone, I might have said 'so'
meaning 'from the beginning' of our being created
( not from the time Jesus took on human form)
( and Jesus took on the form of a body was totally separate in my thinking ( I know very confusing ....sorry)......but I did not mean, we only had a body when He took on a body....we got our bodies in the garden of Eden.
plus they ( humans) have also 'spiritual things like: fellowship, worship etc.
I think in part because I was and am pretty sick, I am not re-reading what I wrote sorry
I will make an effort to do so.
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Post by Cindy on Oct 12, 2018 12:49:03 GMT -5
I agree with you...I was really trying to stretch for that....and it was wrong.
Well, I guess the part about God the Father and the Holy being Spirit is true, but that has nothing to do with their 'personality', attributes etc.
But like you said, they all have the same attributes like love, justice, compassion, no sin, all knowing, all powerful, eternal etc.
So that has me stumped, as to how people would be if the had only the Father, of Son or Holy spirit.
The Holy Spirit points to Jesus, so maybe if we only had Him we would also be pointing to Jesus, but...i am not sure that is what she is asking.
If we just had God the Father, we would not have Jesus dying for our sins so we could be saved.
OH I totally related to your earlier post, in fact, it's what I do also...
tho, in a way, I don't find it as 'tiring' ?.... to do.
I guess, there is a weird part of me, that sort of enjoys 'cleaning' it up?
I am still sick today also.....almost zero energy too.
When I woke up and tried to get up ( to get breakfast etc.) I just immediately fell back to sleep....
Which is what I am going to do now..go to sleep....in fact I fell asleep tying this and my finger must have hit the letter e because I quickly woke back up only to see lines of eeeeeeeeeeeee Ha ha
anyway in a little while I will t try answer a few questions ( or just one)
“who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.” (1 Peter 1:2)
“He (Jesus) is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” (Colossians 1:17)
“Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”” (Genesis 1:26) Again, speaking of Jesus: “For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.” (Colossians 1:16) “He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” (Colossians 1:17) Jesus said:
“No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”” (John 10:18)
“Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—” (Ephesians 1:3–5)
“But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.” (2 Thessalonians 2:13) “who has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,” (2 Timothy 1:9) Again Jesus speaks:
“And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.” (John 14:16–17) “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.” (John 14:26) And of course: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men.” (John 1:1–4) “I and the Father are one.”” (John 10:30)
1 Thessalonians 1:1–4
Salvation involves the Trinity. As you read 1 Thessalonians, you discover the doctrine of the Trinity. Christians believe in one God existing in three Persons: God the Father, and God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Keep in mind that all three Persons are involved in our salvation. This will help you escape dangerous extremes that either deny human responsibility or dilute divine sovereignty—for both are taught in the Bible.
As far as God the Father is concerned, I was saved when He chose me in Christ before the world began. As far as God the Son is concerned, I was saved when He died for me on the cross. As far as God the Holy Spirit is concerned, I was saved one Saturday night in May 1945, when I heard the Word and trusted Jesus Christ. At that moment, the entire plan fell together and I became a child of God. If you had asked me that night if I was one of the elect, I would have been speechless. At that time I knew nothing about election. But the Holy Spirit witnessed in my heart that I was a child of God. The Bible exposition commentary
The Trinity is involved in creation.
1. God the Father in Genesis 1:1
2. God the Spirit in Genesis 1:2
3. God the Son in the NT by progressive revelation (See scriptures above)
How it All Began
Creation and Salvation are related in that God - the Trinity - created this world for us. He had us in mind including our salvation when He created the world for us to live on. Just as He will again have us in mind when He creates a brand new world free from the stain of sin for us to live on for eternity.
How did the Holy Spirit inspire David to characterize the creation of humans? (Psalm 139:14-15)
I am fearfully and wonderfully made
Wonderful
not hidden from you ( from God)
made in secret,
intricately woven ( I think DNA)
How do the Genesis 1 and Psalm 139 passages describe God’s intentionality and precision in creating people?
'intricately' is what DNA is ans shows God's supreme intelligence and precision in storing massive amounts of information!! Answer in Genesis says this even:
"DNA even has a built-in proofreader and spell-checker that ensure precise copying. "
But we are more than just molecules AIG also said:
"...even though identical twin babies have 100% identical DNA, they have different fingerprints"!!!
But even more to the point in Genesis God says:
"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....that is certainly more than a bucket of primordial slime or goo!!!
Has God ever made a mistake in the way He created a person?No....even when it may seem that way to humans ( like a 'genetic error').
How would you counsel a friend struggling with a congenital disability, anorexia or body dysmorphia, homosexuality (“I was born this way.”) or transgenderism (“I was born with the wrong genitalia.”) with the Genesis 1 and Psalm 139 passages?
For those that are homosexual or call themselves transgender I might first point out the 'physical/scientific facts ( especially if they are wanting surgery and/or drugs etc.) :
"Gender reassignment surgery does not change a person’s sex,
sex is determined by X and Y chromosomes contained in every cell in the body.
Male to female sex change surgery is a cosmetic change only." Creation.com
but more importantly explain that God made us and He did not make a mistake when they are one sex and want to be another ( and perhaps at some point in the conversation I might even mention some humans were chosen, not to marry)
and assuming they may not be Christians ( tho even if they were) they can find rest for their confusion in Jesus.
And actually the same truth would be true for someone suffering from anorexia or a congenital disability, they can trust in the Lord.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 12, 2018 14:14:24 GMT -5
5. Examine Psalm 100:3 and Romans 9:20-21, and explain God’s sovereign right to ownership of and rule over His Creation (people).
How is our sin a rebellion against God’s right to rule over us?
Psalm 100:3
"Know that the Lord, he is God!
It is he who made us, and we are his;
we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture".
Romans 9:20, 21
"20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use"?
Answer)
Due to the fact that God made us, He has the right to rule over us, and to save those He chooses and those He did not choose.
Sin started in the garden of Eden, when man choose to listen to satan, and mankind made a grab to 'be like God',
instead of obeying the one and only 'rule' God gave Adam and Eve,
( in order to show their love for God, by their obedience).
When people choose sin, we are essentially saying we are the captain of our ship..'self';
we want to do things our way, we don't want to be told what to do.....
not even by our loving Father God.
We decide His rules are too restrictive ( instead of protection),
we don't want to obey because our sin tainted thinking has decided sin is fun,
and obedience, holds us down.
But instead of being 'free' we have become slaves....slaves of sin and ultimately of satan.
We think we know better than a stuffy fun hating God
( not that God is... but they e convince themselves),
so people figure they don't have to obey anyone,
especially not God.
They believe God's 'good' is evil, and satan evil lies are good.
The Bible is 'outdated to them, but it is actually more up to date than ever before.
They are of the belief the world is getting better...
and yet.
US Senators are telling their people to get in the faces of anyone who does not believe like they do....
find them in shops, restaurants etc. and tell them they are not welcome, chase them away,
Mr Soros pays antifa to disrupt the senate with yelling throwing things etc.
In fact, just the other day in Portland Antifa was directing traffic ( to whatever direction they wanted)
and they did $3,000 dollars worth of damage to one car
One guy did a roundhouse kick to a pro-life girl, another girl threw things at a different pro-life girl and shoved her around etc.
but soon people are going to be badly hurt or killed
This is the kind of behavior that will only go further downhill when people refuse to have God in their life as the Authority.
God as our Creator knows what is best for us....but people love their sin.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 13, 2018 13:29:01 GMT -5
6. Put Psalm 103:14 and 78:39 into your own words.
What is the main idea of these verses?
Does God’s understanding of, and compassion for, our human frailty excuse our sin? Why or why not?
Explain how God’s awareness of our feebleness is woven into both the law and the gospel. (ex: Did God create laws that were too lofty or difficult for frail humans to obey?
Can people save themselves by their own strength?)
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Answers:
"For he knows our frame;
he remembers that we are dust". Psalm 103:14
In my own words:
God made us out of the dust of the earth and he knows we are feeble, frail, and constantly attached and attracted by sin.
"He remembered that they were but flesh,
a wind that passes and comes not again."wicked
Psalm 78:39
In my own words:
God knows we are weak flesh and we live a short time and then die.
The main idea of these verses is that God who made us, understands we have weaknesses .
However His understanding and compassion of our frailty does not excuse our sin.
Sin is evil, and the opposite of God, it is rebellion and witchcraft. God understands our heart is desperately wicked and he can have compassion, but it does not excuse it evil rebellion against God. Tho we are slaves to sin, we are held accountable and must take responsibility for our choices....sinners also have the choice to chose to trust in Jesus having paid for our sins on the cross.
The law shows us our sins and it is impossible to keep, without the Holy Spirit.
We are to be Holy as God is Holy and the Law is Holy but we are sinners....but the good news is Jesus kept the Law perfectly, He lead a sinless life ( which as sinners we don't do) but because Jesus lead a perfect life, and is 100 percent God and 100 percent man, we can have our sins paid for and have the Holy Spirit reside in us, helping us to live a more Holy life.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 14, 2018 15:17:30 GMT -5
Question 7.
Compare and contrast the “new creation” of being born again in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17, Ephesians 4:24, 2:10) to the bodily creation of humans (Genesis 1:26-31, Psalm 139:13-16).
How does the bodily creation point ahead to the spiritual creation?
What purpose does God give us in each creation?
What are some similarities and differences between the two creations?
Answer:I am thinking the 1st and last sentences (compare and contrast/similarities and differences can be combined?)
If you rather I do them separately, I will re-do the question, but as I am still pretty sick ( how's that for a lazy excuse LOL) I will combine them today.
the comparison/similarity of the physical and spiritual births:
They compare in that both are a 'new' person/creation
they both are important days
they both need to rely on someone else for provision and protection
they both have to be feed milk in order to grow ( one physical milk one spiritual)
Ideally they both will grow ( one physically the other spiritually)
they both need correction and direction to become what they ought to be
Contrasts and difference:
One is born of only physical union of a man and woman
the other is born of God
One is born after a set time of 9 mts
the other has no human set time and could happen when a person is old even
one puts the new born into a family of man
the other into God's family
One drinks physical milk in order to grow
the other spiritual milk in order to grow
the spiritual birth is more important than the physical.
the physical relies on his or her parents ( or another human) for provision and protection
the spiritual baby relies on God for its provision and protection
The physical baby needs parents to teach, correct and direct them so they will grow to what they ought to be
The spiritual needs God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit ( God's Word the Bible), in order to grow the way the Lord wants him or her to be.
The body is 'created' with or by 'information' ( DNA) which points to a 'Creator'....which points to something greater than the physical world i.e. the Spiritual.
Information does not come from 'nothing' so the physical birth points to something greater being the Spiritual. The fact people have intelligence, morality, consciousness, all asks the question or points to the answer of the Spiritual.
So in our physical bodies ( tho marred by sin) our purpose is to call on our Creator...to find Him or be found by Him...to search for Him and when we are found and are born again...
we spend the rest of our Spiritually born lives learning more about Him, becoming like Him, loving Him, worshiping Him and giving others the good news about Him.
I am already fading due to be sick, so I may have worded some of my answers in weird ways....as usual please correct them ( least someone should read and misunderstand).
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Post by fearnot on Oct 15, 2018 13:36:43 GMT -5
Question 8.
Why is it an important component of the spiritual life of Christian women to understand that:
• God made us.
• Because God made us, He has a right to own and rule us.
• God made us with intentionality and for specific purposes.
• God made us to reflect His image.
• Our imperfections and issues with the way we were created are not God’s fault, but the result of sin.
How do these concepts help us understand that we were created at God’s good pleasure for His glory?
It is important for us to know God made us ( and not we ourselves, nor by a random chance comic accident)
because:
We were created for a purpose:
to love, worship, obey, fellowship with, give Him glory, praise, honor, Him
and not do whatever we choose and make our own purpose in life.
Because God made us we need to acknowledge He obviously deserves to be obeyed
As Isaiah said
" You turn things upside down!
Shall the potter be regarded as the clay,
that the thing made should say of its maker,
“He did not make me”;
or the thing formed say of him who formed it,
“He has no understanding”?
Isaiah 29:16
God did not just make us ( and the universe) and then just leave it ....
He had a purpose in creating us.
we are not without purpose as a random accident ,
and we do not do whatever we purpose ( which is ultimately always self-centered, and selfish...even if we do things for others in a legalistic moral way.
“You shall not do according to all that we are doing here today, everyone doing whatever is right in his own eyes" Deuteronomy 8
If we do not give God the glory, we end up giving ourselves the glory, in choosing our own purpose .
Likewise those who choose there own way mostly end up with more and more worldly ways and sins like:
"..... sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[d] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these" Galatians 5:19
But instead we are to reflect His image with things like these:
"...love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control..." Galatians 5:22
We live in a fallen world that started its downward fall with Adam and Eve. Every part of Creation was effected when sin came in,
and with it death, disease, pain, genetic faults, wars, suffering etc etc. etc.
God created everything good with love and for His glory. He asked only one thing of Adam and Eve ( they had a choice to chose love or to not). god warned them tho, if they chose to disobey the one and only commandment and chose to do their own thing, sin and death would follow.
It was not God's intent or purpose, but if man could not chose to love, man could not ever love...man had to make a choice and man chose to try to be gods themselves.....the results they were warned of, but they still chose to disobey, turn from God to self and the results are their own choice.
But God's purpose still remains, there has always been a remnant that loves Him, obeys and gives Him the glory . They still struggle with sin, but they hate sin and God gives them victory and forgiveness thru Jesus.
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Post by fearnot on Oct 16, 2018 13:28:40 GMT -5
I will do the 'homework' here today.
I know you have a lot going on, I pray you, Bruce and your family are ok.
HOMEWORK:
God is a Trinity: one God in three persons – the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Since God is triune, and we are made in His image, does that mean we are also trichotomous beings (body, soul, and spirit)? Or are we dichotomous beings (body and soul/spirit)? Which Scriptures support your position?
Is this a question we can definitively and unequivocally know the answer to while we’re on earth? Does it matter? If not, why would Christians study this question?
I used to think it was trichotomous because of Hebrews 4: 12
"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit"
and
I Thessalonians 5:23
"Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
On the other hand, I have heard, read etc. we are dichotomous and now lean almost 100 percent towards that spirit and soul are used interchangeably and we are dichotomous
Verses that point to that view:
"28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Matthew 10:28
and
"But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness".
Romans 8:10
and
"For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing".
I Corinthians 5:3
I think people are for sure body ( material) and non material....
One might make an argument we are even 4 parts LOL as in
Mark:12:30
"And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength."
It is possible that this could be one of those things that Deuteronomy 29:29 says:
"... ..The secret things belong to the Lord our God..."
However I think it may matter in this life as it might be misused
there is a potential or real danger in the trichotomous view
because the 'soul' can, might ,or, is used, to give authority to healing it with psychology and the 'spirit to the minister, Word of God, Holy Spirit, prayer etc..
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Post by Cindy on Oct 17, 2018 11:06:24 GMT -5
5. Examine Psalm 100:3 and Romans 9:20-21, and explain God’s sovereign right to ownership of and rule over His Creation (people).
How is our sin a rebellion against God’s right to rule over us?
Psalm 100:3
"Know that the Lord, he is God!
It is he who made us, and we are his;
we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture".
Romans 9:20, 21
"20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use"?
Answer)
Due to the fact that God made us, He has the right to rule over us, and to save those He chooses and those He did not choose.
Sin started in the garden of Eden, when man choose to listen to satan, and mankind made a grab to 'be like God',
instead of obeying the one and only 'rule' God gave Adam and Eve,
( in order to show their love for God, by their obedience).
When people choose sin, we are essentially saying we are the captain of our ship..'self';
we want to do things our way, we don't want to be told what to do.....
not even by our loving Father God.
We decide His rules are too restrictive ( instead of protection),
we don't want to obey because our sin tainted thinking has decided sin is fun,
and obedience, holds us down.
But instead of being 'free' we have become slaves....slaves of sin and ultimately of satan.
We think we know better than a stuffy fun hating God
( not that God is... but they e convince themselves),
so people figure they don't have to obey anyone,
especially not God.
They believe God's 'good' is evil, and satan evil lies are good.
The Bible is 'outdated to them, but it is actually more up to date than ever before.
They are of the belief the world is getting better...
and yet.
US Senators are telling their people to get in the faces of anyone who does not believe like they do....
find them in shops, restaurants etc. and tell them they are not welcome, chase them away,
Mr Soros pays antifa to disrupt the senate with yelling throwing things etc.
In fact, just the other day in Portland Antifa was directing traffic ( to whatever direction they wanted)
and they did $3,000 dollars worth of damage to one car
One guy did a roundhouse kick to a pro-life girl, another girl threw things at a different pro-life girl and shoved her around etc.
but soon people are going to be badly hurt or killed
This is the kind of behavior that will only go further downhill when people refuse to have God in their life as the Authority.
God as our Creator knows what is best for us....but people love their sin.
6. Put Psalm 103:14 and 78:39 into your own words.
What is the main idea of these verses?
Does God’s understanding of, and compassion for, our human frailty excuse our sin? Why or why not?
Explain how God’s awareness of our feebleness is woven into both the law and the gospel. (ex: Did God create laws that were too lofty or difficult for frail humans to obey?
Can people save themselves by their own strength?)
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Answers:
"For he knows our frame;
he remembers that we are dust". Psalm 103:14
In my own words:
God made us out of the dust of the earth and he knows we are feeble, frail, and constantly attached and attracted by sin.
"He remembered that they were but flesh,
a wind that passes and comes not again."wicked
Psalm 78:39
In my own words:
God knows we are weak flesh and we live a short time and then die.
The main idea of these verses is that God who made us, understands we have weaknesses .
However His understanding and compassion of our frailty does not excuse our sin.
Sin is evil, and the opposite of God, it is rebellion and witchcraft. God understands our heart is desperately wicked and he can have compassion, but it does not excuse it evil rebellion against God. Tho we are slaves to sin, we are held accountable and must take responsibility for our choices....sinners also have the choice to chose to trust in Jesus having paid for our sins on the cross.
The law shows us our sins and it is impossible to keep, without the Holy Spirit.
We are to be Holy as God is Holy and the Law is Holy but we are sinners....but the good news is Jesus kept the Law perfectly, He lead a sinless life ( which as sinners we don't do) but because Jesus lead a perfect life, and is 100 percent God and 100 percent man, we can have our sins paid for and have the Holy Spirit reside in us, helping us to live a more Holy life.
Question 7.
Compare and contrast the “new creation” of being born again in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17, Ephesians 4:24, 2:10) to the bodily creation of humans (Genesis 1:26-31, Psalm 139:13-16).
How does the bodily creation point ahead to the spiritual creation?
What purpose does God give us in each creation?
What are some similarities and differences between the two creations?
Answer:I am thinking the 1st and last sentences (compare and contrast/similarities and differences can be combined?)
If you rather I do them separately, I will re-do the question, but as I am still pretty sick ( how's that for a lazy excuse LOL) I will combine them today.
the comparison/similarity of the physical and spiritual births:
They compare in that both are a 'new' person/creation
they both are important days
they both need to rely on someone else for provision and protection
they both have to be feed milk in order to grow ( one physical milk one spiritual)
Ideally they both will grow ( one physically the other spiritually)
they both need correction and direction to become what they ought to be
Contrasts and difference:
One is born of only physical union of a man and woman
the other is born of God
One is born after a set time of 9 mts
the other has no human set time and could happen when a person is old even
one puts the new born into a family of man
the other into God's family
One drinks physical milk in order to grow
the other spiritual milk in order to grow
the spiritual birth is more important than the physical.
the physical relies on his or her parents ( or another human) for provision and protection
the spiritual baby relies on God for its provision and protection
The physical baby needs parents to teach, correct and direct them so they will grow to what they ought to be
The spiritual needs God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit ( God's Word the Bible), in order to grow the way the Lord wants him or her to be.
The body is 'created' with or by 'information' ( DNA) which points to a 'Creator'....which points to something greater than the physical world i.e. the Spiritual.
Information does not come from 'nothing' so the physical birth points to something greater being the Spiritual. The fact people have intelligence, morality, consciousness, all asks the question or points to the answer of the Spiritual.
So in our physical bodies ( tho marred by sin) our purpose is to call on our Creator...to find Him or be found by Him...to search for Him and when we are found and are born again...
we spend the rest of our Spiritually born lives learning more about Him, becoming like Him, loving Him, worshiping Him and giving others the good news about Him.
I am already fading due to be sick, so I may have worded some of my answers in weird ways....as usual please correct them ( least someone should read and misunderstand).
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You said: One is born of only physical union of a man and woman
the other is born of God
One is born after a set time of 9 mts
the other has no human set time and could happen when a person is old even
But a physical baby is really created by God, not the man and woman. A man and woman can have sex for ever and not create a baby. God intentionally chooses each of our parents and it's God who creates or bodies in the womb of the mother beginning by joining the egg and sperm.
Both the physical and spiritual births take place instantly. While the mother is pregnant for 9 months, she's not actually giving birth that long. Yes, mothers can be in labor for a long time, but the birth itself is instant, just as the spiritual birth is. Instead both the physical and spiritual births can often have long periods of labor to get to the point of being born or being born again. See what I mean?
Your answer to: How does the bodily creation point ahead to the spiritual creation, was very interesting and good. I would simply add that the physical creation shows us that the spiritual creation is just as real. God gives us something we can see that we can relate the spiritual creation to.
“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17)
“and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.” (Ephesians 4:24)
“For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” (Ephesians 2:10)
“Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” (Genesis 1:26–27)
“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.” (Psalm 139:13–16)
Question 8.
Why is it an important component of the spiritual life of Christian women to understand that:
• God made us.
• Because God made us, He has a right to own and rule us.
• God made us with intentionality and for specific purposes.
• God made us to reflect His image.
• Our imperfections and issues with the way we were created are not God’s fault, but the result of sin.
How do these concepts help us understand that we were created at God’s good pleasure for His glory?
It is important for us to know God made us ( and not we ourselves, nor by a random chance comic accident)
because:
We were created for a purpose:
to love, worship, obey, fellowship with, give Him glory, praise, honor, Him
and not do whatever we choose and make our own purpose in life.
Because God made us we need to acknowledge He obviously deserves to be obeyed
As Isaiah said
" You turn things upside down!
Shall the potter be regarded as the clay,
that the thing made should say of its maker,
“He did not make me”;
or the thing formed say of him who formed it,
“He has no understanding”?
Isaiah 29:16
God did not just make us ( and the universe) and then just leave it ....
He had a purpose in creating us.
we are not without purpose as a random accident ,
and we do not do whatever we purpose ( which is ultimately always self-centered, and selfish...even if we do things for others in a legalistic moral way.
“You shall not do according to all that we are doing here today, everyone doing whatever is right in his own eyes" Deuteronomy 8
If we do not give God the glory, we end up giving ourselves the glory, in choosing our own purpose .
Likewise those who choose there own way mostly end up with more and more worldly ways and sins like:
"..... sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[d] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these" Galatians 5:19
But instead we are to reflect His image with things like these:
"...love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control..." Galatians 5:22
We live in a fallen world that started its downward fall with Adam and Eve. Every part of Creation was effected when sin came in,
and with it death, disease, pain, genetic faults, wars, suffering etc etc. etc.
God created everything good with love and for His glory. He asked only one thing of Adam and Eve ( they had a choice to chose love or to not). god warned them tho, if they chose to disobey the one and only commandment and chose to do their own thing, sin and death would follow.
It was not God's intent or purpose, but if man could not chose to love, man could not ever love...man had to make a choice and man chose to try to be gods themselves.....the results they were warned of, but they still chose to disobey, turn from God to self and the results are their own choice.
But God's purpose still remains, there has always been a remnant that loves Him, obeys and gives Him the glory . They still struggle with sin, but they hate sin and God gives them victory and forgiveness thru Jesus.
Why is it an important component of the spiritual life of Christian women to understand that:
• God made us.
• Because God made us, He has a right to own and rule us.
• God made us with intentionality and for specific purposes.
• God made us to reflect His image.
• Our imperfections and issues with the way we were created are not God’s fault, but the result of sin.
All of the above 5 points have to do with who we are, with our identity, and with how we look. She's asking why is it an important component of the spiritual life of Christian women to understand those points about her identity and how she looks? (part of our identity is also having a purpose which is why when we think of who we are, we say things like, "I'm Jenn's mother," or I'm a nurses aide", or "I'm a cashier". It's part of how we see ourselves. So now, knowing that, how would you answer that question?
Then, after we've understood the answer about our identity, she asks:
How do these concepts help us understand that we were created at God’s good pleasure for His glory?
I will do the 'homework' here today.
I know you have a lot going on, I pray you, Bruce and your family are ok.
HOMEWORK:
God is a Trinity: one God in three persons – the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Since God is triune, and we are made in His image, does that mean we are also trichotomous beings (body, soul, and spirit)? Or are we dichotomous beings (body and soul/spirit)? Which Scriptures support your position?
Is this a question we can definitively and unequivocally know the answer to while we’re on earth? Does it matter? If not, why would Christians study this question?
I used to think it was trichotomous because of Hebrews 4: 12
"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit"
and
I Thessalonians 5:23
"Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
On the other hand, I have heard, read etc. we are dichotomous and now lean almost 100 percent towards that spirit and soul are used interchangeably and we are dichotomous
Verses that point to that view:
"28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Matthew 10:28
and
"But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness".
Romans 8:10
and
"For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing".
I Corinthians 5:3
I think people are for sure body ( material) and non material....
One might make an argument we are even 4 parts LOL as in
Mark:12:30
"And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength."
It is possible that this could be one of those things that Deuteronomy 29:29 says:
"... ..The secret things belong to the Lord our God..."
However I think it may matter in this life as it might be misused
there is a potential or real danger in the trichotomous view
because the 'soul' can, might ,or, is used, to give authority to healing it with psychology and the 'spirit to the minister, Word of God, Holy Spirit, prayer etc..
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Post by Cindy on Oct 17, 2018 11:23:08 GMT -5
Imperishable Beauty: Lesson 5- A Beautiful Identity by Michelle Lesley
In lesson 4, we learned that we were created by God, for His glory and His purposes. Today, we’re taking a look at our identity in Christ.
Questions to Consider
1. What does the phrase “our identity in Christ” mean? If the statement, “My identity is in Christ,” is the answer, what is the question?
2. These passages identify someone who is in Christ in what way? God chose the metaphor of Father and children to describe and define His relationship with us. Describe the relationship between an ideal earthly father and his child. What are some of the character traits of the father? Describe the dynamics of authority, obedience, protection, provision, and love in their relationship. In what ways does God perfectly embody those character traits (attributes)? In what ways do the dynamics of authority, obedience, protection, provision, and love play out in our relationship with God as Father and us as His children?
3. Part of our identity in Christ is that being God’s children also makes us what, according to these passages? What does it mean to be an heir of God and a fellow heir with Christ? What is our inheritance, and when will we receive it? Is there any part of our inheritance that we are receiving now, in this life?
4. How do these passages characterize someone who is in Christ? Read this brief description of first century slavery to help you understand the cultural context in which these passages were written. People who are only familiar with American slavery of the 18th-19th century might think the phrase “slaves of Christ” sounds scary, or that Christ is harsh toward those who serve Him. How would you explain to those people what it means to be a slave of Christ? How is Christ the ideal Master? What are our obligations to Christ as His slaves, and the benefits of being His slave?
5. The Bible describes us, positionally and functionally, as children of God, co-heirs with Christ, and slaves of Christ. What are some other ways the Bible describes who we are in Christ? Cite the Scriptures you draw your answers from.
6. What are some things women, even Christian women, find their identity in besides Christ? How is it idolatry to find your identity in something besides Christ? How do you identify yourself?
7. How does our identity in Christ inform how we feel, think, speak, and act? Is this statement true or false: “To feel, think, speak, and act contrary to who we are in Christ is sin.”? Why? Back up your answer with Scripture.
Homework
Earthly fathers make out a will describing the inheritance their heirs will receive. Sometimes fathers use the will, and the threat of cutting children out of the will, as a tool for manipulating their children or keeping them in line. Is this how God relates to His children with regard to our inheritance? If you have truly been born into God’s family, will He ever cut you out of His “will”? Explain how your behavior is connected to your inheritance and to your position as an heir of God. Use Scripture to support your answer.
Suggested Memory Verse
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:12-13
Posted with permission:
michellelesley.com/category/biblical-womanhood-bible-study/
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fearnot
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Post by fearnot on Oct 17, 2018 12:28:17 GMT -5
By the way, I see Daniel is back!! He did PM me back, and thanked me but did not say if he was sick or what....but I am just happy he is back!!!
Oh about where did I get sin out of
"For he knows our frame;
he remembers that we are dust". Psalm 103:14
I guess it was because I was also thinking of the 2nd question"
"How is our sin a rebellion against God’s right to rule over us"?
... as I was writing about the first question,
and in my mind had sort of combined them
So having mixed them up or together...I was thinking that part of our "frame' was our weakness to sin.....
"For he knows our frame;
he remembers that we are dust". Psalm 103:14
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fearnot
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Post by fearnot on Oct 17, 2018 12:39:22 GMT -5
You asked where are you getting the milk idea from these verses?
I was not thinking I had to stick only to the verses she gave, but rather I thought the question about contrasting the 2 different types of births was more general and could be drawn from more parts of scripture. I can see now that was not the case, but that is where I got off into a tangent on the milk issue.
And in fact, I was thinking more like babies ( baby Christian, and babies).....
rather than JUST the birth.....which is where I again got off on a tangent again ( 9 mts, and milk etc.).
arrggghh!
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fearnot
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Post by fearnot on Oct 17, 2018 13:38:43 GMT -5
Why is it an important component of the spiritual life of Christian women to understand that:
• God made us.
How do these concepts help us understand that we were created at God’s good pleasure for His glory?
I think even Christian woman are sometimes so caught up in the world's standard of beauty, that they forget they were made by God and for a purpose
and instead spend vast amount of time and money on their hair, makeup, body, and clothing etc etc. trying to meet the world's standard of beauty, when 98 of all that time and effort should be on the Lord doing His purpose and for His glory.
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Yes, she took care of her body but she had no idea about "eating right" like we do. They didn't know about those things then. They ate what they had and felt good about it. Some of it was healthy and some wasn't. 
Needless to say, he was shocked at my question. 
He said, "Of course not!" I said, "no, really, look at my chin..." so he did, and said, "I don't see anything that's different from anyone else..." I just said, "Ok, thanks!" 
Plus, my granddaughter was getting ready for school the other morning and her friend who always puts lots of "product" in her hair, like hairspray etc wanted to help her. But Gracie didn't like it and told her mom that she looked beautiful without anything like that or make up either! I cheered her on and told her she was absolutely right! That if she wanted others to think she was beautiful, all she had to do was work on having a gentle, sweet, loving spirit and that would shine through her all the time causing others to think she was always beautiful!
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