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Oct 28, 2019 9:44:29 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Oct 28, 2019 9:44:29 GMT -5
I am still sick....I went to church yesterday but today my cough is worse and I am very tired.....
but here I am I will try to stay awake for awhile.
I am going to have to watch the kids this afternoon soooo
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Oct 28, 2019 9:59:04 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Oct 28, 2019 9:59:04 GMT -5
Hebrews 7: 11-
Jesus Compared to Melchizedek
The writer makes the point that perfection cannot be attained through the Levitical priesthood which was based on the law and that no one can be perfectly without sin. It only shows we are sinners in need of a Savior.
Further the fact that the Messiah came from a totally different priestly order than the Levitical/Aaronic order, instead the the order of Melchizedek.
Actually Jesus made the following of the law even harder.....thou shall not kill, became thou shall not even think of killing, or thous shall not commit adultery to if you even look at some with lust, you have committed adultery.
So clearly we could never ever be able to be perfect.....
but....
Jesus was!
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Oct 28, 2019 10:03:01 GMT -5
Post by Cindy on Oct 28, 2019 10:03:01 GMT -5
Oh you are right, I didn't mean what I was said was actually in the Bible....
I was (wrongly) saying that if a person:
" have tasted the goodness of the word of God ...
Combined with
"they are crucifying once again the Son of God.....
and holding him up to contempt."
since they walked away....it would be ( I was thinking)
that holding Jesus in contempt
and crucifying Him again
seemed like to me, they were saying the considered Him guilty.
Sorry, I get carried away at times
This passage has been interpreted in four ways: (1) that the danger of a Christian losing his salvation is described, a view rejected because of biblical assurances that salvation is a work of God which cannot be reversed; (2) that the warning is against mere profession of faith short of salvation, or tasting but not really partaking of salvation; (3) that hypothetically if a Christian could lose his salvation, there is no provision for repentance; (4) that a warning is given of the danger of a Christian moving from a position of true faith and life to the extent of becoming disqualified for further service (1 Cor. 9:27) and for inheriting millennial glory. The latter is the interpretation adopted here. In Heb 6:4, the writer changed the pronouns from “we” and “us” to “those.” This change also suggests that he had a hypothetical case in mind. The Bible Knowledge Commentary
Hebrews 6:4–6 This passage, with its warning, is controversial and difficult. Some persons believe this text teaches that it is possible to fall out of salvation. Though a cursory look at this text might lead one to think that Christians can lose their salvation, that idea is not the issue. These verses instead speak of the need for believers to persevere in the Christian faith. The verbs “enlightened” (v. 4), “tasted” (vv. 4–5), and “became companions” (v. 4) describe persons who have professed Christ and claim to be believers. To “have fallen away” (v. 6) means to commit apostasy. The writer of Heb admonished his readers not to go back to the OT sacrificial system because Jesus is superior to it in every way. If they were to turn away from Christ, repentance would be impossible because it cannot be found anywhere else once Jesus is rejected (10:26–27). By their actions, such persons disgrace Christ openly and try to re-crucify Him. If they forsake faith in Christ after having professed it and go back (i.e., do not persevere), they never were actually saved to begin with (see Mt 10:22; Mk 13:13). The Apologetics Study Bible
How weird what the computer is not letting you do....
it does stuff like that to me more times than just once.
Sometimes, as I am about to post something, instead of posting it here on this board.....
it jumps to the old board
in the past, I would lose everything I wrote
Now
I am constantly copying every few paragraphs and then even posting and then editing ( so I can write more, and thus not lose everything like in the past......I have learned my lesson!!!
But why it jumps back to the old site.....I have no idea?????
Anyway, I've been sick the last couple of days, and still am...thus the shorter bible study versions.
Devon stayed home two days in a row being sick, and Hossanah is sick also, but went to work today.....she has to be absolutely unable to get up before she will miss a day of work.
Not like me....I am waaaay more whimpy.
But I really am sick....I kept Leonard awake ( so he was praying for me) as I coughed and coughed the night away LOL
Between coughing, letting the cat out and in and out and in, and going to the bathroom, I still managed to get 10-15 minutes naps last night.
I am hoping that I can go to church tomorrow even so.
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Here's the home page from Feb 25th, 2014:
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It makes me homesick for our old board so I don't go here very often.
Hebrews 6: 13-20
The Certainty of God's Promise
Now the writer is explaining on what basis we can be imitators of those who in the past thru patience and faith would inherit the promises of God.....
It is based on God's certain promises....He cannot lie......and His promises have never failed in the past either.
God wants to bless His people. We may have trials, but like Abraham we can wait with patience.
men will often take an oath , a solemn promise, a legal verbal guarantee
( to tell the truth and nothing but the truth,
or to do or give a certain thing etc etc.).
But sometimes men lie, find excuses to wiggle out of their promises....
God however never does....if He makes a promise He will keep it ( tho it may take longer than we wish....His timing is not always what we want, because we are not always patient.
His promises and His oaths we can be sure of....they WILL happen,
that is strong encouragement for us to have patience.
and even more than Abraham had, we also have Jesus where we can take refuge.
This we can can fast to, cling to, trust in.
Our anchor ( God's promise, Jesus) hold us steady, we will not be moved.
Without such an anchor we most likely will be shipwrecked when a storm comes.
We trust in Jesus who went before us...
a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek
The Priestly Order of Melchizedek
Now the writer gives us some more details about the 'mysterious' person Melchizedek,
and how he corresponds to Jesus.
For one thing he is both a King and a Priest ( that was always separate for the Jews).
Jesus's kingship came from the line of Judah.....but where did His earthy/human priesthood come from.....not Levi, but rather Melchizedek.
Melchizedek was a king of peace ( and Jesus is the ultimate King of Peace).
Only Melchizedek and Jesus were both King and Priest, in all of scripture.
Melchizedek blessed Abranham, and Jesus blesses all His followers.
Melchizedek received a tenth part of everything from Abraham.The Christian is willing to give everything to Jesus .
And there were other likenesses....
But then we come to verse 3:
"He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever"
People and scholars throughout the ages have tried to discover who this mysterious person was.
To me, it seems like it might be a Christophany ( an appearance of Jesus as a human before his birth).
Then in verse 4 gives an additional point of information about the tithe...it was from the 'spoils' and to me it seems like it was the best of them.....like we want to give Jesus our best.
And it seems the point is being made that the Levites themselves thru Abraham gave Melchizedek the tithes, showing just how great this Melchizedek was.....which shows how much Greater Jesus was, is and shall ever be.
The fact that Melchizedek has no death seems to also point to Jesus ( I think).
Then to make the point even stronger that the Levites paid the tithes to Melchizedek was in verses 9& 10
"One might even say that Levi himself, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, 10 for he was still in the loins of his ancestor when Melchizedek met him".
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Oct 28, 2019 10:22:01 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Oct 28, 2019 10:22:01 GMT -5
No it really really does ( well did) go to the old site....
everything about the format was COMPLETELY different,
and it has to be redirected to this site.
It cannot be my computer, because I have only had this one for about a year or less.
It has not done so in months.....but it used to do it maybe once a month or so.
How weird if it was wiped away....but maybe some glitch still exists somewhere in cyberspace?
I can't even see the links you posted.....but truly it looked nothing like this board and it would lose everything I had written, and I had to hit a button to take me to this site???
AND>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I just lost 1/2 of my writing for today.....
I was doing my 2nd or 3 rd copy and posting so I would not lose what I wrote
and I saw your reply and answered.....and somehow promptly lost what I had copied
maybe when I tried to look at those links.....
it somehow wiped my copied stuff
I don't feel well enough to try to totally rewrite it
so I did a very shorten version of it.
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Oct 28, 2019 10:41:51 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Oct 28, 2019 10:41:51 GMT -5
Jesus Compared to Melchizedek
The writer makes the point that perfection cannot be attained through the Levitical priesthood which was based on the law and that no one can be perfectly without sin. It only shows we are sinners in need of a Savior.
Further the fact that the Messiah came from a totally different priestly order than the Levitical/Aaronic order, instead the the order of Melchizedek.
Actually Jesus made the following of the law even harder.....
"there is necessarily a change in the law as well".
thou shall not kill, became thou shall not even think of killing, or thous shall not commit adultery to if you even look at some with lust, you have committed adultery.
So clearly we could never ever be able to be perfect.....
but....
Jesus was!
Jesus came from the tribe of Judah which never had a part in the service or participation in the altar.
So Jesus priesthood was not based on genetics but also on a higher perfect standard:
"by the power of an indestructible life"
“You are a priest forever,
after the order of Melchizedek.”
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Oct 29, 2019 10:31:23 GMT -5
Post by Cindy on Oct 29, 2019 10:31:23 GMT -5
No it really really does ( well did) go to the old site....
everything about the format was COMPLETELY different,
and it has to be redirected to this site.
It cannot be my computer, because I have only had this one for about a year or less.
It has not done so in months.....but it used to do it maybe once a month or so.
How weird if it was wiped away....but maybe some glitch still exists somewhere in cyberspace?
I can't even see the links you posted.....but truly it looked nothing like this board and it would lose everything I had written, and I had to hit a button to take me to this site???
AND>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I just lost 1/2 of my writing for today.....
I was doing my 2nd or 3 rd copy and posting so I would not lose what I wrote
and I saw your reply and answered.....and somehow promptly lost what I had copied
maybe when I tried to look at those links.....
it somehow wiped my copied stuff
I don't feel well enough to try to totally rewrite it
so I did a very shorten version of it.
Sorry you lost what you wrote, but why wouldn't you have clicked on the links in my post before you started your own?
Jesus Compared to Melchizedek
The writer makes the point that perfection cannot be attained through the Levitical priesthood which was based on the law and that no one can be perfectly without sin. It only shows we are sinners in need of a Savior.
Further the fact that the Messiah came from a totally different priestly order than the Levitical/Aaronic order, instead the the order of Melchizedek.
Actually Jesus made the following of the law even harder.....
"there is necessarily a change in the law as well".
thou shall not kill, became thou shall not even think of killing, or thous shall not commit adultery to if you even look at some with lust, you have committed adultery.
So clearly we could never ever be able to be perfect.....
but....
Jesus was!
Jesus came from the tribe of Judah which never had a part in the service or participation in the altar.
So Jesus priesthood was not based on genetics but also on a higher perfect standard:
"by the power of an indestructible life"
“You are a priest forever,
after the order of Melchizedek.”
Jesus didn't add those things to the law, they had always been part of it, but sadly the pharisees had missed the whole point as they were into a works righteousness and not interested in a clean heart.
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Oct 29, 2019 11:04:41 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Oct 29, 2019 11:04:41 GMT -5
Yeah....
I did not mean it that way....
I was trying to say, ....
oh well,
I am having a hard time, since I am coughing so much LOL
What you said.....Jesus fulfilled the law perfectly.
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Oct 29, 2019 11:58:39 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Oct 29, 2019 11:58:39 GMT -5
Hebrews 7: 18-28
The law showed us what God's perfect standard is, which we cannot meet, but it does not give us the power to do so.....
therefore, it is useless to us, in that, it cannot save us...
.we need something ( or someone) else.
("for the law made nothing perfect")
It shows us our problem we are sinners, but it does not provide a cure.
But with Jesus we have a better hope, and we can draw need to God.
The priests of old were not made with an oath but Jesus was:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind,
‘You are a priest forever.’”
The better covenant was based on Jesus, and what He would do to pay for us, not on our failure to keep the law.
All the other priests died, but as God Jesus is eternal and so is our salvation.
Therefore Jesus can save us to the uttermost.
However it is those who come to God thru Him that are saved.
Also all the other priests were sinners themselves but Jesus was and is:
" holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens".
Jesus was both high priest and the sacrifice ( the others only brought an animals ( who did not willingly sacrifice themselves as Jesus did)
the priest had to sacrifice the animals continually at the altar to be the sacrificed).
But Jesus only had to offer Himself once and that stood forever.
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Oct 30, 2019 10:21:41 GMT -5
Post by Cindy on Oct 30, 2019 10:21:41 GMT -5
Yeah....
I did not mean it that way....
I was trying to say, ....
oh well,
I am having a hard time, since I am coughing so much LOL
What you said.....Jesus fulfilled the law perfectly.
Hebrews 7: 18-28
The law showed us what God's perfect standard is, which we cannot meet, but it does not give us the power to do so.....
therefore, it is useless to us, in that, it cannot save us...
.we need something ( or someone) else.
("for the law made nothing perfect")
It shows us our problem we are sinners, but it does not provide a cure.
But with Jesus we have a better hope, and we can draw need to God.
The priests of old were not made with an oath but Jesus was:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind,
‘You are a priest forever.’”
The better covenant was based on Jesus, and what He would do to pay for us, not on our failure to keep the law.
All the other priests died, but as God Jesus is eternal and so is our salvation.
Therefore Jesus can save us to the uttermost.
However it is those who come to God thru Him that are saved.
Also all the other priests were sinners themselves but Jesus was and is:
" holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens".
Jesus was both high priest and the sacrifice ( the others only brought an animals ( who did not willingly sacrifice themselves as Jesus did)
the priest had to sacrifice the animals continually at the altar to be the sacrificed).
But Jesus only had to offer Himself once and that stood forever.
Very good! But hon, when you're really sick, just do a few verses, that way we won't lose anything that's really important, and you'll get some rest.
I wanted to mention something about this verse...
“Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.” (Hebrews 7:25)
The Jews had this idea that Angels could intercede for people. This verse shows that only Jesus can intercede with the Father for us, no one else can, not even angels! This verse, as well as the many other ones show that only Jesus can pray for us or intercede for us. No human being that has died before us can pray for us, and no angels can pray for us. We who are still alive on this earth may pray for each other, but when this body dies, that privilege ends.
I've wondered over the years if the RCC picked up a lot of their theology from the Pharisees, because I've seen quite a few things they believe are the same as what the pharisees believed. I can't for the life of me figure out why in the world they'd do that though, when the pharisees were the one group that Jesus told off more so than any other... in fact there was no others! So why would you take your theology from a group that your Savior said was wrong about just about everything???  I don't know... maybe it's just a coincidence. But even so, if someone like me can figure out that the pharisees believed these things, certainly they could too and they could then fix their theology making it closer to the truth, right? Apparently not. They seem to have the type of people in high positions that refuse to admit they're wrong and instead will say and do anything including lying to prove the other person is wrong.
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,” (1 Timothy 2:5)
There's one other thing I'd like to point out about this:
“Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.” (Hebrews 7:25) The word translated "completely" can also be translated "forever" or “to the uttermost” . This is telling us that the extent of our salvation is limitless and completely certain with no qualifications or limits. In other words, it's saying that our salvation is completely secure forever! Our Lord's work at Calvary is so strong it can and will last through our entire life on earth until we are standing in His presence! That reminds me of Jude's doxology:
“To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.” (Jude 24–25)
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Oct 30, 2019 11:23:41 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Oct 30, 2019 11:23:41 GMT -5
I am soooooo glad you said to just take a few verses, because this morning for the first time, I coughed so long and so much ( I have never ever had this happen).....I could not catch my breath.....
finally I got one second to breath in
and then off on to another coughing spell.
It was a bit scary.....because I couldn't breath
But thankfully.... it only lasts a minute or two and then stops for 10 mins or so before starting up.
Who knew, coughing can make you tired?
Anyway, I just came to do my Bible study and was feeling pretty bad, wondering how could I manage to do a good job?
Actually our whole family is sick, Leonard, kids, Hossanah and Brian
but I think the Interstitial lung and/or the bronchiectasis is making it worse...
I already cough each and every day....but its no big deal.....but this is waaay different...
soooo I am happy to do only a few verses today ( I will read more, but will only write about a few).
One good thing is that both Hossanah and Brian are home today.....which means I don't have to walk to the bus stop meet Rylan ,
or watch the kids today......
I can just do my Bible study and rest yeah!!!
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Oct 30, 2019 11:48:50 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Oct 30, 2019 11:48:50 GMT -5
Hebrews 8:1-4
Jesus, High Priest of a Better Covenant
There has never been another ( and never will be) another High Priest who is seated in Heaven, Only Jesus.
and
the sanctuary .....is also in Heaven.
The priests, that were only men
( not like Jesus who was both 100% man and God),
had an earthy sanctuary made by men.
The priest offered up sacrifices for men ,
( but also had to have sacrifices for their own sins).
Jesus was the only one, who was both a priest
and
the sacrifice.
According to the earthly Levitical law, Jesus would not be a priest since He was not from the tribe of Levi.
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Oct 31, 2019 11:12:26 GMT -5
Post by Cindy on Oct 31, 2019 11:12:26 GMT -5
I am soooooo glad you said to just take a few verses, because this morning for the first time, I coughed so long and so much ( I have never ever had this happen).....I could not catch my breath.....
finally I got one second to breath in
and then off on to another coughing spell.
It was a bit scary.....because I couldn't breath
But thankfully.... it only lasts a minute or two and then stops for 10 mins or so before starting up.
Who knew, coughing can make you tired?
Anyway, I just came to do my Bible study and was feeling pretty bad, wondering how could I manage to do a good job?
Actually our whole family is sick, Leonard, kids, Hossanah and Brian
but I think the Interstitial lung and/or the bronchiectasis is making it worse...
I already cough each and every day....but its no big deal.....but this is waaay different...
soooo I am happy to do only a few verses today ( I will read more, but will only write about a few).
One good thing is that both Hossanah and Brian are home today.....which means I don't have to walk to the bus stop meet Rylan ,
or watch the kids today......
I can just do my Bible study and rest yeah!!!
Hebrews 8:1-4
Jesus, High Priest of a Better Covenant
There has never been another ( and never will be) another High Priest who is seated in Heaven, Only Jesus.
and
the sanctuary .....is also in Heaven.
The priests, that were only men
( not like Jesus who was both 100% man and God),
had an earthy sanctuary made by men.
The priest offered up sacrifices for men ,
( but also had to have sacrifices for their own sins).
Jesus was the only one, who was both a priest
and
the sacrifice.
According to the earthly Levitical law, Jesus would not be a priest since He was not from the tribe of Levi.
Jesus offered His own body to be a living sacrifice to God and we are asked to do the same thing.
“Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship.” (Romans 12:1) But how can we offer ourselves as a sacrifice? Actually, Paul explains how we should do so in the next verse, Romans 12:2. We must spend time daily in God's Word so that our minds can be renewed and we can be transformed to be more like Jesus. But back to what we're told in Hebrews... Jesus offered His own body as a sacrifice and then gave us the gift of peace with God, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is an amazing gift which in general we don't appreciate near as much as we should.
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Oct 31, 2019 12:16:44 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Oct 31, 2019 12:16:44 GMT -5
Hebrews 8:5-13
The tabernacle Moses built was only a lesser, a copy, a shadow of the one in Heaven but Jesus serves in the Heavenly perfect one as the perfect high priest.
Therefore not only is the tabernacle and priest superior also the promises and the covenant, were better.
If the old was perfect there were not have been a need for the new.
In fact, God had said in Jeremiah 31:31-34
where he says He will make a new covenant...
the weakness in the old covenant was man could not and did not, keep it.
The new one will be a heart/love written one.
The old would be obsolete and would grow old and vanish away.
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Oct 31, 2019 12:25:53 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Oct 31, 2019 12:25:53 GMT -5
Still coughing...it 'seems' like almost everybody is sick to a greater or lesser degree....usually it seems like in the fall/winter, some are sick, then get better,
and then others get sick,
but this is weird,
it just 'seems' like a mass sickness.
The other thing is it just 'seems' to hang on and on......not a quick 2 or 3 day affair.
I probably did too many verses without enough writing, but I could not figure out where to stop LOL
and it is kind of like you said, a lot 'seemed' to have been covered already, but I think I once heard one thing that could mean ( when God repeats something) it is like a special emphasis, God wants to make sure we 'get it'.
Today, I do have to go 'fetch' Rylan and am not sure how long I have to watch the kids for after that?
Also tomorrow and then Sat. is our once a month shopping.....
Sooooo no rest for the weary as the saying goes.
OH!!!!!
Thank you sooooo much for praying!!!!!
I have been praying for you as well.
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Nov 1, 2019 10:16:38 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 1, 2019 10:16:38 GMT -5
Hebrews 9:1-5
The Earthly Holy Place
The writer is going into more detail comparing the earthly (temporary)
with the Heavenly ( perfect)
covenant.
The old pointed to Jesus, and all the things in the tent were material symbols, shadows, pictures of the real....Jesus.
Starting with the tent,
which could be put up, taken down, moved etc. was itself temporary,
unlike Jesus who is God, eternal and everlasting.
The was ONE way in ( and there is only one way to Heaven, thru Jesus).
The altar on which the animals were sacrificed points to Jesus dying on the cross the ultimate sacrifice
(the 4 horns reminds us of the cross)
The laver...our sins are washed away by the blood of Christ and we are sanctified.
The bread....Jesus is the bread of life ( and His Word, the Bible).
The lampstand ( Jesus is the light that shines in the darkness of this world)
The incense symbol of prayers peoples
and the intercession Of Jesus.
The veil where only the high priest could go once a year,
was torn when Jesus ( The HIGH priest) died ,
so all might be able to go to God, at any time.
The ark with the mercy seat with the law inside but under mercy another pointing to Jesus.
Jesus followed the law perfectly ( so it was not done away with in Him)
but mercy and love was higher in Him.
Some have pointed to the angels on top as reminding the people of the angels baring man from Eden and God because they sinned eating from the tree of knowledge or good and EVIL ( the ark was made of wood)
In any case we can now come before God because of the blood of Jesus shed for our sins ( animal's blood pointed to His blood).
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Nov 1, 2019 10:16:59 GMT -5
Post by Cindy on Nov 1, 2019 10:16:59 GMT -5
Hebrews 8:5-13
The tabernacle Moses built was only a lesser, a copy, a shadow of the one in Heaven but Jesus serves in the Heavenly perfect one as the perfect high priest.
Therefore not only is the tabernacle and priest superior also the promises and the covenant, were better.
If the old was perfect there were not have been a need for the new.
In fact, God had said in Jeremiah 31:31-34
where he says He will make a new covenant...
the weakness in the old covenant was man could not and did not, keep it.
The new one will be a heart/love written one.
The old would be obsolete and would grow old and vanish away.
What I love about the section you did though is that it shows us that the big difference between the new covenant that we're a part of and the old covenant, is that God takes the initiative and changes us on the inside so that we will both want to obey Him and will be able to do so. God actually begins our transformation to be more and more like Jesus at the very second we're saved. Then, that process continues until this body dies, and at that point we are made perfect before the Lord! Thank You Lord, I can't wait to see you!!!!!
Still coughing...it 'seems' like almost everybody is sick to a greater or lesser degree....usually it seems like in the fall/winter, some are sick, then get better,
and then others get sick,
but this is weird,
it just 'seems' like a mass sickness.
The other thing is it just 'seems' to hang on and on......not a quick 2 or 3 day affair.
I probably did too many verses without enough writing, but I could not figure out where to stop LOL
and it is kind of like you said, a lot 'seemed' to have been covered already, but I think I once heard one thing that could mean ( when God repeats something) it is like a special emphasis, God wants to make sure we 'get it'.
Today, I do have to go 'fetch' Rylan and am not sure how long I have to watch the kids for after that?
Also tomorrow and then Sat. is our once a month shopping.....
Sooooo no rest for the weary as the saying goes.
OH!!!!!
Thank you sooooo much for praying!!!!!
I have been praying for you as well.
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Nov 2, 2019 11:20:04 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 2, 2019 11:20:04 GMT -5
I considered going o doctor, but I have an early Dec appointment already scheduled.
Last night and today got some bad vertigo ( I have not had that for about 10 years) but these are really bad.....they even effect my eyes ( I don't remember that in the past.)
It should be interesting trying to read and do Bible study as things whirl around.....and we are still planning on once a month shopping and church tomorrow.
The coughing and vertigo ....plus cat wanting to go in and out...keep me up most of the night.....oh and the vertigo is making me a bit nausea.....and then there is the pain everywhere sigh!
Sorry for complaining.....I am just a bit weary today....double sigh LOL
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Nov 2, 2019 12:04:44 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 2, 2019 12:04:44 GMT -5
Hebrews 9: 6-10
This points out that the high priest could not go into the Holy of Holy without being sprinkled with blood because he was not perfect and a sinner, and each year that he went in, he had to be sprinkled with blood....and for the people ( even the sins they were unaware of).
And that blood pointed to Jesus's blood.
To be noted is the infrequent access....only once a year.....
compare that to our being able to talk to God at any time, day or night,
not like the old... which was temporary, imperfect, and very limited.
The Holy Spirit wants us to understand this.
Now any believer enters thru the door, the veil of Jesus.
but they cannot do that and cling to the old....it has to be taken away.
The old were just symbols.
The food offering of animals and drink, and grain, washings lack the ability to cleanse from sins.
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Nov 3, 2019 12:00:58 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 3, 2019 12:00:58 GMT -5
Hebrews 9:11-14
Redemption Through the Blood of Christ
The old sacrifices could not effect everlasting atonement for our sins, but the sacrifice
of God's lamb ( Jesus our high priest) could and did give eternal life.
It went from shadows to the truth.
Thinking about the repetition made me wonder, if the Jewish people ( In Judaism) really believe an animal could atone for their sins?
But secondly, it occurred to me that Satan often will take something of God and come close to what God says, but changes a small point and turn it into something horrible and evil ( I was thinking of witchcraft etc. which also uses animal sacrifices but for power etc.)
And it is a successful ploy in that it becomes one more obstacle for someone explaining the gospel to have to over come with those who have heard about Satan's lies.
Jesus tent/tabernacle is in Heaven made by God, not by human hands or of the earthly creation, and therefore is clearly soooo much better!!
A match in a dark dungeon is indeed light, but is nothing in comparison if the sunlight is let in, and so is the comparison even great with the human made tabernacle and the Heaven divine one.
Likewise, is the difference between the blood of goats and cows, and the blood of God/Jesus's blood.
All the other human high priests did not offer their blood, but rather the blood of animals, Jesus offered His only divine blood.
the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer was for the Jewish person who had become ceremonially unclean by contact with a dead body...however,
Unlike animals which had to be offered over and over,
Jesus (because He was and IS God), only had to offer His blood one time,
and its effects (cleansing from sin) was and is forever!!
The blood of animals could Not purify our conscience because it could not cleanse us from our sins.
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Nov 4, 2019 12:15:21 GMT -5
Post by Cindy on Nov 4, 2019 12:15:21 GMT -5
I considered going o doctor, but I have an early Dec appointment already scheduled.
Last night and today got some bad vertigo ( I have not had that for about 10 years) but these are really bad.....they even effect my eyes ( I don't remember that in the past.)
It should be interesting trying to read and do Bible study as things whirl around.....and we are still planning on once a month shopping and church tomorrow.
The coughing and vertigo ....plus cat wanting to go in and out...keep me up most of the night.....oh and the vertigo is making me a bit nausea.....and then there is the pain everywhere sigh!
Sorry for complaining.....I am just a bit weary today....double sigh LOL  
Hebrews 9: 6-10
This points out that the high priest could not go into the Holy of Holy without being sprinkled with blood because he was not perfect and a sinner, and each year that he went in, he had to be sprinkled with blood....and for the people ( even the sins they were unaware of).
And that blood pointed to Jesus's blood.
To be noted is the infrequent access....only once a year.....
compare that to our being able to talk to God at any time, day or night,
not like the old... which was temporary, imperfect, and very limited.
The Holy Spirit wants us to understand this.
Now any believer enters thru the door, the veil of Jesus.
but they cannot do that and cling to the old....it has to be taken away.
The old were just symbols.
The food offering of animals and drink, and grain, washings lack the ability to cleanse from sins.
Hebrews 9:11-14
Redemption Through the Blood of Christ
The old sacrifices could not effect everlasting atonement for our sins, but the sacrifice
of God's lamb ( Jesus our high priest) could and did give eternal life.
It went from shadows to the truth.
Thinking about the repetition made me wonder, if the Jewish people ( In Judaism) really believe an animal could atone for their sins?
But secondly, it occurred to me that Satan often will take something of God and come close to what God says, but changes a small point and turn it into something horrible and evil ( I was thinking of witchcraft etc. which also uses animal sacrifices but for power etc.)
And it is a successful ploy in that it becomes one more obstacle for someone explaining the gospel to have to over come with those who have heard about Satan's lies.
Jesus tent/tabernacle is in Heaven made by God, not by human hands or of the earthly creation, and therefore is clearly soooo much better!!
A match in a dark dungeon is indeed light, but is nothing in comparison if the sunlight is let in, and so is the comparison even great with the human made tabernacle and the Heaven divine one.
Likewise, is the difference between the blood of goats and cows, and the blood of God/Jesus's blood.
All the other human high priests did not offer their blood, but rather the blood of animals, Jesus offered His only divine blood.
the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer was for the Jewish person who had become ceremonially unclean by contact with a dead body...however,
Unlike animals which had to be offered over and over,
Jesus (because He was and IS God), only had to offer His blood one time,
and its effects (cleansing from sin) was and is forever!!
The blood of animals could Not purify our conscience because it could not cleanse us from our sins.
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Nov 4, 2019 12:53:29 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 4, 2019 12:53:29 GMT -5
Hebrews 9: 15-22
Sin had to be atoned for ( God cannot live with sin) and so Jesus had to become the mediator. since He was perfect and died in our place we could inherit eternal life ( if we believe on what He did for us, not our own dead works of: " I am a 'pretty good person' etc etc.)
To inherit something means someone has to have died ( which Jesus did)...thereby buying us back
( He redeemed us, He paid the penalty for our sins, the ransom price as it were.)
In the OT they were saved by a looking forward to the Messiah, and we look back to what He did.
In both the old and the New covenant someone ( in the OT an animal) had to die, blood had to be shed.
So Jesus was not only the 'will maker' who died, but also the mediator/executor ....
He died
He shed His blood ( for forgiveness of our sins)
He became the substitute for us ( dying in our place)
( He also broke sins evil power of our fear of death...which the enemy still tries to instill, but Jesus won the victory).
Some might think it gruesome that blood and death must happen to pay for sins, and that is because we/they have a limited understanding of just how terrible sin is ( we always want to excuse it....it was our parents, authorities over us, the society, and on and on to eventually saying sins are 'good' and our rights, even murders can find excuses, even pedophiles: I was just born this way or there is nothing wrong with it etc.).
But every sin has a much wider reaching negative and horrifying effect than we can ever imagine.
God's love cannot set aside justice for those who are hurt by others sins, and God cannot live with sin, so it separates us from Him. Sin always in the end leads to death.
Sin .....
ought to sicken us....
as much as the shedding the blood of innocent animals
( and so much more so of Jesus blood!!!).
The blood hammers home the great great cost of sin:
to those who sin,
to those affected by other sinners,
but most of all ......to Jesus.
This is different than the pagans sacrifices to 'gods' hoping to get something from them...like wealth, winning a war, etc.
Actually in the 'physical' world, blood actually cleans our body of toxins.
Jesus blood cleanses us 'spiritually'.
For God to dwell with us,
atonement by blood has to be made...the toxin of sin has to be removed.
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Nov 4, 2019 13:13:46 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 4, 2019 13:13:46 GMT -5
I am actually a little better today.....prayerfully it will last and continue to get better.
I really liked what you said:
"Those who insist on dwelling on their past sins and feeling guilty are doing Jesus a disservice and not obeying Him by accepting His gift for us".
"He doesn't want us to live feeling guilty. He wants us to know that we've been washed clean, just as the symbol of baptism shows us".
Thank you :-)
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Nov 5, 2019 10:49:37 GMT -5
Post by Cindy on Nov 5, 2019 10:49:37 GMT -5
Hebrews 9: 15-22
Sin had to be atoned for ( God cannot live with sin) and so Jesus had to become the mediator. since He was perfect and died in our place we could inherit eternal life ( if we believe on what He did for us, not our own dead works of: " I am a 'pretty good person' etc etc.)
To inherit something means someone has to have died ( which Jesus did)...thereby buying us back
( He redeemed us, He paid the penalty for our sins, the ransom price as it were.)
In the OT they were saved by a looking forward to the Messiah, and we look back to what He did.
In both the old and the New covenant someone ( in the OT an animal) had to die, blood had to be shed.
So Jesus was not only the 'will maker' who died, but also the mediator/executor ....
He died
He shed His blood ( for forgiveness of our sins)
He became the substitute for us ( dying in our place)
( He also broke sins evil power of our fear of death...which the enemy still tries to instill, but Jesus won the victory).
Some might think it gruesome that blood and death must happen to pay for sins, and that is because we/they have a limited understanding of just how terrible sin is ( we always want to excuse it....it was our parents, authorities over us, the society, and on and on to eventually saying sins are 'good' and our rights, even murders can find excuses, even pedophiles: I was just born this way or there is nothing wrong with it etc.).
But every sin has a much wider reaching negative and horrifying effect than we can ever imagine.
God's love cannot set aside justice for those who are hurt by others sins, and God cannot live with sin, so it separates us from Him. Sin always in the end leads to death.
Sin .....
ought to sicken us....
as much as the shedding the blood of innocent animals
( and so much more so of Jesus blood!!!).
The blood hammers home the great great cost of sin:
to those who sin,
to those affected by other sinners,
but most of all ......to Jesus.
This is different than the pagans sacrifices to 'gods' hoping to get something from them...like wealth, winning a war, etc.
Actually in the 'physical' world, blood actually cleans our body of toxins.
Jesus blood cleanses us 'spiritually'.
For God to dwell with us,
atonement by blood has to be made...the toxin of sin has to be removed.
I am actually a little better today.....prayerfully it will last and continue to get better.
I really liked what you said:
"Those who insist on dwelling on their past sins and feeling guilty are doing Jesus a disservice and not obeying Him by accepting His gift for us".
"He doesn't want us to live feeling guilty. He wants us to know that we've been washed clean, just as the symbol of baptism shows us".
Thank you :-)
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Nov 5, 2019 11:39:15 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 5, 2019 11:39:15 GMT -5
Hebrews 9:23-28
The blood 'cleaned' the earthly things temporarily but Jesus blood purified everything in Heaven...not that Heaven needed to be purified ( that is impossible) but the people entering needed to be... Old
Testament believers and new ( and we believers are the 'temple' of God). There is also the possibility that Satan ( he still accuses the believers to God) and his demons are or were defilers.
Jesus appears before God the Father and pleas for us based on His sacrifice (His blood), the point being that is sooo much higher and glorious, why would anyone want to go back to shadows and symbols?
Also, in the old, the animals had to be sacrificed over and over....
Jesus only once, and it lasts for eternity, because He is God.
Just as men only die once ( they do NOT reincarnate and live lives over and over...
a demon may encourage them to think they do, but they do not....
and who in their right mind would want to die over and over anyway)?
Jesus also only died once .
For men after they die the next thing is judgement with either a happy or terrifying decision.
All will die....many are trying all manner of things to avoid death ( in the past like the Egyptian pharaohs.....
to this present day things like being kept frozen,
and now a scientist is turning himself into a cyborg.....but no, he ( and all of them) will die.
Only those raptured will not die but then believers have in a sense already died ( with Jesus, and to self, to some extent).
Jesus will come a second time....but not to die.....He came as or like a sacrificial lamb but when He comes again, it will be as King of kings and Lord of lords.
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Nov 6, 2019 13:35:08 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 6, 2019 13:35:08 GMT -5
Hebrews 10: 1-7
When seeing a shadow, you get an idea of how something looks, like an outline, the form, and so on, but not the details, colors ( other than shades of grey). However, it often makes you want to see what the real thing really looks like.
The writer is attempting to have his listeners do just that, and not to go back to living in the shadows.
The law was a shadow and were all the animal sacrifices.
It was a shadow of Jesus ( complete, whole, perfect, God).
A couple commentators gave a kind of funny example....of when they first met their wives, she gave them a black and white photo of herself.
They would look at her photo when at home, in a car at work etc.
But when the got married they had a living breathing, in full color etc etc. person.
But imagine if one day they said to their wife, I really miss that photo, and they clutch it to their heart saying, Oh how I missed you photo, I love you photo .....and leave their real wife....how silly would that be?!!!
It should be obvious that animal sacrifices did not 'do the job', for if they had, they would not have needed to be repeated over and over, year and year, decade after decade.
The one thing the law did was remind people of their sin ( in fact, it basically had a 'negative' effect, in that people often sinned more....instead of turning away and repenting from them.).
"For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins".
It was only temporary and only the lamb of God ( Jesus) could wash away sins.
Because animal sacrifices were inadequate when Jesus came into the world, He offered His body.
He lived a perfect life, perfect obedience..... and therefore could be a perfect sacrifice.
The references are psalm 51:16 & 17 and psalm 40: 7-9
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Nov 7, 2019 11:28:18 GMT -5
Post by Cindy on Nov 7, 2019 11:28:18 GMT -5
Hebrews 9:23-28
The blood 'cleaned' the earthly things temporarily but Jesus blood purified everything in Heaven...not that Heaven needed to be purified ( that is impossible) but the people entering needed to be... Old
Testament believers and new ( and we believers are the 'temple' of God). There is also the possibility that Satan ( he still accuses the believers to God) and his demons are or were defilers.
Jesus appears before God the Father and pleas for us based on His sacrifice (His blood), the point being that is sooo much higher and glorious, why would anyone want to go back to shadows and symbols?
Also, in the old, the animals had to be sacrificed over and over....
Jesus only once, and it lasts for eternity, because He is God.
Just as men only die once ( they do NOT reincarnate and live lives over and over...
a demon may encourage them to think they do, but they do not....
and who in their right mind would want to die over and over anyway)?
Jesus also only died once .
For men after they die the next thing is judgement with either a happy or terrifying decision.
All will die....many are trying all manner of things to avoid death ( in the past like the Egyptian pharaohs.....
to this present day things like being kept frozen,
and now a scientist is turning himself into a cyborg.....but no, he ( and all of them) will die.
Only those raptured will not die but then believers have in a sense already died ( with Jesus, and to self, to some extent).
Jesus will come a second time....but not to die.....He came as or like a sacrificial lamb but when He comes again, it will be as King of kings and Lord of lords.
Since God has ordained that remission of sins is through the shedding of blood, and since purification comes through the sprinkling of blood, it is necessary that blood be shed and applied if the New Covenant is to be in force. The “patterns” (the Old Covenant tabernacle) were purified by the sprinkling of the blood. But the originals were also purified! The blood of Jesus Christ not only purifies the conscience of the believer, but also purified the heavenly things. We can understand how the earthly sanctuary could be defiled since it was used by sinful men. Each year, on the great Day of Atonement, the tabernacle was purified through the sprinkling of blood. Nothing in heaven is defiled in a literal sense, for sin can't pollute the sanctuary of God. But, for that matter, nothing in the earthly tabernacle was literally defiled by sin. It all had to do with people’s relationships to God. The blood sprinkled on a piece of furniture didn't change the nature of that piece, but it changed God’s relationship to it. God could enter into communion with people because of the sprinkled blood. Through Christ, we who are sinners can enter into the holy of holies in the heavenly sanctuary. Physically, of course, we are on earth; but spiritually, we are communing with God in the heavenly holy of holies. In order for God to receive us into this heavenly fellowship, the blood of Jesus Christ had to be applied. We enter into God’s presence “by the blood of Jesus” (Heb. 10:19). The Old Covenant was established by blood, and so was the New Covenant. But the New Covenant was established on the basis of a better sacrifice, applied in a better place! The patterns (types) were purified by the blood of animals, but the original sanctuary was purified by the blood of the Son of God. This was a far more costly sacrifice.
Hebrews 10: 1-7
When seeing a shadow, you get an idea of how something looks, like an outline, the form, and so on, but not the details, colors ( other than shades of grey). However, it often makes you want to see what the real thing really looks like.
The writer is attempting to have his listeners do just that, and not to go back to living in the shadows.
The law was a shadow and were all the animal sacrifices.
It was a shadow of Jesus ( complete, whole, perfect, God).
A couple commentators gave a kind of funny example....of when they first met their wives, she gave them a black and white photo of herself.
They would look at her photo when at home, in a car at work etc.
But when the got married they had a living breathing, in full color etc etc. person.
But imagine if one day they said to their wife, I really miss that photo, and they clutch it to their heart saying, Oh how I missed you photo, I love you photo .....and leave their real wife....how silly would that be?!!!
It should be obvious that animal sacrifices did not 'do the job', for if they had, they would not have needed to be repeated over and over, year and year, decade after decade.
The one thing the law did was remind people of their sin ( in fact, it basically had a 'negative' effect, in that people often sinned more....instead of turning away and repenting from them.).
"For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins".
It was only temporary and only the lamb of God ( Jesus) could wash away sins.
Because animal sacrifices were inadequate when Jesus came into the world, He offered His body.
He lived a perfect life, perfect obedience..... and therefore could be a perfect sacrifice.
The references are psalm 51:16 & 17 and psalm 40: 7-9
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Nov 7, 2019 12:18:24 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 7, 2019 12:18:24 GMT -5
This was super helpful!!!
quoting you :-)
"The blood sprinkled on a piece of furniture didn't change the nature of that piece, but it changed God’s relationship to it".
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Nov 7, 2019 13:35:27 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 7, 2019 13:35:27 GMT -5
Hebrews 10: 8-14
Jesus came to do the will of God, and replaced the endless repetitions of sacrificing animals over and over.
In a way, we as believers are to offer 'sacrifices'....our bodies as living ( not dead) sacrifices
And thus He establishes the second.
The Old Testament priest performed a daily task that was never finished, it could never give complete forgiveness for sins., never completely cleanse, never clear our guilt etc.
There was no chair for them to sit ( the task was never done) but Jesus sits, have once and for all completed His task!! And there had to be many priest, but Jesus did it all Himself.
The priests could only do their job while they were living, but Jesus is eternal.
They could only temporarily cover up sin, Jesus totally removes it.
One commentator made a point I never thought of
When the Antichrist will sit down in the temple during the tribulation, he is once again counterfeiting the fact the Jesus is sitting down in Heaven ( also that the priests were never able to sit) ....the devil will mimic Christ's finished work on the Cross.
Jesus sits because the task is completed!
His enemies ( even believers were once rebellious enemies), but satan, his demons, and those who refuse to be saved, have a limited time, and then it will be up for them.
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Nov 8, 2019 11:04:32 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 8, 2019 11:04:32 GMT -5
Hebrew 10: 15-20
Now the Holy Spirit bears witness to us about the new
( it will be applied to our hearts and minds and not just shadows and outwardly in religious symbols).
From Jeremiah 31:33
Sin is so powerful that the Iron cage of the law could not contain it, but the love of Jesus conquers it by ( His perfect life and death on the cross)
and putting it the victory and love in our hearts and minds, so we now hate sin.
Even more than that....God says He will then no longer remember our sins...He will never make us pay for them or feel bad or make us like slaves in Heaven, He won't mention them again etc.
And since our sins are forgiven because Jesus paid for them in full, and God the Father has forgiven them and will no longer ever mention them....there is no longer any need for the shadows, symbols of sacrifices and offerings for sin.
Based on this truth we can now enter into the Holy based on the blood of Jesus.
Now we can enter before God ( not just once a year by one man) but at any time by any believer, because Jesus is ever living, eternal and infinite ....the veil was torn when Jesus died....so the way the way is no barred.
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Nov 9, 2019 13:00:34 GMT -5
Post by fearnot on Nov 9, 2019 13:00:34 GMT -5
Hebrews 10: 21-25
Now we are told how we are to come to God
with a true heart
in full assurance of faith
clean from an evil conscience
bodies washed with pure water
Sadly some come with an insincere, evil heart ( and have given Christianity a bad name)....they see a great marketing scheme and become 'pastors' to become super wealthy, and/or to have great power over people.
They have no real love for Jesus as Savior, they have not been convicted of their sins, or born again, and the only 'faith' they have is this will somehow benefit them in this life be it money, power, sexual favors etc......
This is not the way to come.....we must come in real love for what Jesus has done for us. We do not come based on our 'good works', being 'good' people etc. but based on the faith in what Jesus did for us on the cross, paying for our sins.
In the old testament, things were sprinkled with blood and/or but it never got to the inside...only by God ( living pure water) is the inside heart /conscious etc truly cleaned of sin, so we live changed lives.
We are not to waver in this truth but hold fast to it.
And we should consider how to encourage one another to love and good works ( after we have been saved and born again).
One good way to do that is to be that way ourselves.
I so appreciate that you have helped me this way....because I am lacking ( I think we are all self-centered, but perhaps, for some like me, being an 'only' child, for some people..... only exacerbates this sin.
So encouragement is so helpful.
And another most important encouragement is church where we meet and are together with other believers.
Its funny, as time goes by, I find going to church more and more encouraging, uplifting, pleasant, joyful, fun,
etc. , to be around believers instead of angry atheists.
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I don't know... maybe it's just a coincidence. But even so, if someone like me can figure out that the pharisees believed these things, certainly they could too and they could then fix their theology making it closer to the truth, right? Apparently not. They seem to have the type of people in high positions that refuse to admit they're wrong and instead will say and do anything including lying to prove the other person is wrong.
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