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Post by Cindy on May 19, 2015 11:13:22 GMT -5
Romans 14 When we study Romans 14, the first thing we need to understand is this message is only for true believers. It does not apply to atheists, or believers in false religions, pagan religions, false gospels (which are not true gospels).
So Chapter 14 of Romans is written to mature believers in the only true gospel, concerning other believers who may be new believers ( 'baby Christians'), or even older believers who have not really matured in the faith..... or as Romans 14:1 says: "One whose faith is weak".
Certain things like the eating of mean or not eating of meat, or which day is sacred are not issues that we need to take the weak brother or sister to task about.
The important things are to be grateful to the Lord, give Thanks to Him, to live our lives for Him and if necessary to die for Him.
So we are not to put or be a stumbling block to a brother or sister in the Lord. Therefore we should not distress them by what we do or do not eat around them, because not only would it not be a loving way to behave, we don't want to possibly destroy or delay the work of the Lord for the sake of food!
We know the Kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking ( tho we will eat and drink in His Kingdom in Heaven. There is even a marriage feast which I am looking forward to!) Rather God's kingdom is first of Love, peace, and joy! Therefore, we should not eat meat, drink wine, or do anything that might cause them to fall. We have to be careful what we say and how we say it, so that we are not insensitive or inconsiderate, thereby hurting their feelings, embarrassing them or offending them in public or private. In fact, in these cases it would be better if we did not even express what we believe about these issues....we can and should 'deny self'. ( since it's not a 'salvation issue'). We can let if be between ourselves and God. It can be an opportunity for the strong mature believer to humble themselves and not demand their "rights' to enjoy food that they know is perfectly fine to eat. They can practice patience, compassion, and understanding of the weaker, misinformed believer. God loves them and so should we. But we should glorify Christ Jesus in all we say and do. We all walk according to the light God has given us, so a new baby Christian tho misinformed and even in error, if he thinks a food is unclean then it is unclean to him...until he is persuaded otherwise. Don't shake his tender and weak faith over a bit of meant you fancy.
Well done Barbara!!!! Very good! You got that down perfect!!!! Now let's do the same thing with the next chapter, knowing that I could have written verse 14 to you, only changing "brothers" to "sisters" of course : “I myself am convinced, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, complete in knowledge and competent to instruct one another.” (Romans 15:14) Just so you know, the word "instruct" in that sentence, is actually a word that means "counsel" or "admonish". The word is "noutheteo", which is where the word for a biblical counselor comes from and why it's called Nouthetic Counseling.
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Post by fearnot on May 19, 2015 11:20:05 GMT -5
Hi Eva I know Cindy will answer you prob in more depth. But I just couldn't resist when you asked if the Jews had strict rules on eating... Boy oh boy did they ever. Yes they did and some do to this day.
When I was in college back in the 1960's, I dated a Jewish boy whose parents kept a strict Kosher home because my boyfriend's uncle was an orthodox rabbi.
So just to show one little tiny rule ( I wish my boyfriend had clued me ), I went to dinner at his parents home. Things were going OK until at dinner and they asked If I would like a cup of tea to drink with the meat dinner we were eating. I said: " Yes thank you.........and could you put some sugar...........and MILK in it!!! What a wrong wrong thing! There was dead silence from everybody ( his parents, sister, and even Simon)!
You see one of the 'rules' are in part it is cruel for the mother ( milk source) to see her offspring cooked and eaten.
Since at the time I was going to marry Simon I went to Yale University to study from an Orthodox rabbi in order to convert ( I never did convert).
But in the couple of weeks I studied under him, I was given ( among a ton of other books) several on Jewish dietary laws...they take great care to kill animals for food with respect and compassion, among many issues.
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Post by Cindy on May 19, 2015 11:21:44 GMT -5
The only thing I am not sure why it being mentioned so much is food. Did they have strict rules on what to eat or not to eat? I remember some issues in OT about unclear animals etc, but this is NT Yes, God gave the Jew's many rules, laws, about what they could eat and what they couldn't eat. The things they can eat are called "clean" and the things that they can't eat are called "unclean". What you remember about the animals is most likely when God was giving them the laws telling them which animals they could eat. Eva, there is nothing in the NT that is not in the OT too. The NT explains the OT, it does not replace it. That's why when Paul was preaching and telling people about Jesus, they would search the OT scriptures to see if what he was telling them was true. Paul calls them "noble" because they did that, letting us know that we should do the same thing. “Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” (Acts 17:11) The only way you can fully understand the NT is to know and understand the OT. You might want to read Barbara's post first before you do yours if you're unsure about this.
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Post by Cindy on May 19, 2015 11:23:33 GMT -5
Hi Eva I know Cindy will answer you prob in more depth. But I just couldn't resist when you asked if the Jews had strict rules on eating... Boy oh boy did they ever. Yes they did and some do to this day. When I was in college back in the 1960's, I dated a Jewish boy whose parents kept a strict Kosher home because my boyfriend's uncle was an orthodox rabbi. So just to show one little tiny rule ( I wish my boyfriend had clued me ), I went to dinner at his parents home. Things were going OK until at dinner and they asked If I would like a cup of tea to drink with the meat dinner we were eating. I said: " Yes thank you.........and could you put some sugar...........and MILK in it!!! What a wrong wrong thing! There was dead silence from everybody ( his parents, sister, and even Simon)! You see one of the 'rules' are in part it is cruel for the mother ( milk source) to see her offspring cooked and eaten. Since at the time I was going to marry Simon I went to Yale University to study from an Orthodox rabbi in order to convert ( I never did convert). But in the couple of weeks I studied under him, I was given ( among a ton of other books) several on Jewish dietary laws...they take great care to kill animals for food with respect and compassion, among many issues. oh wow, that must have been so embarrassing for you! I'm surprised he didn't tell you about it ahead of time though. Great answer though!
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Post by fearnot on May 19, 2015 11:24:58 GMT -5
Thank you so much Cindy! I felt like I had really studied for a change! I felt at peace also. So thank you for confirming That God opened my eyes a bit!! :-)
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Post by fearnot on May 19, 2015 12:17:51 GMT -5
Yes I was surprised Simon didn't tell me and it was mortifying! His last name by the way was Geigher and Leonard's last name Keigher
I forgot to mention his mom also had two complete sets of dishes (as well as pots and pans and silverware): one for meat and one for dairy.
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Post by Cindy on May 20, 2015 10:15:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I understand that's the norm for those who keep kosher. I can't remember if I told you or not, but now go ahead and do the same thing for the next chapter ok?
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Post by evafromgreece on May 20, 2015 10:34:05 GMT -5
Hi Eva I know Cindy will answer you prob in more depth. But I just couldn't resist when you asked if the Jews had strict rules on eating... Boy oh boy did they ever. Yes they did and some do to this day. When I was in college back in the 1960's, I dated a Jewish boy whose parents kept a strict Kosher home because my boyfriend's uncle was an orthodox rabbi. So just to show one little tiny rule ( I wish my boyfriend had clued me ), I went to dinner at his parents home. Things were going OK until at dinner and they asked If I would like a cup of tea to drink with the meat dinner we were eating. I said: " Yes thank you.........and could you put some sugar...........and MILK in it!!! What a wrong wrong thing! There was dead silence from everybody ( his parents, sister, and even Simon)! You see one of the 'rules' are in part it is cruel for the mother ( milk source) to see her offspring cooked and eaten. Since at the time I was going to marry Simon I went to Yale University to study from an Orthodox rabbi in order to convert ( I never did convert). But in the couple of weeks I studied under him, I was given ( among a ton of other books) several on Jewish dietary laws...they take great care to kill animals for food with respect and compassion, among many issues. Just one word... WOW
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Post by evafromgreece on May 20, 2015 11:03:09 GMT -5
The only thing I am not sure why it being mentioned so much is food. Did they have strict rules on what to eat or not to eat? I remember some issues in OT about unclear animals etc, but this is NT Yes, God gave the Jew's many rules, laws, about what they could eat and what they couldn't eat. The things they can eat are called "clean" and the things that they can't eat are called "unclean". What you remember about the animals is most likely when God was giving them the laws telling them which animals they could eat. Eva, there is nothing in the NT that is not in the OT too. The NT explains the OT, it does not replace it. That's why when Paul was preaching and telling people about Jesus, they would search the OT scriptures to see if what he was telling them was true. Paul calls them "noble" because they did that, letting us know that we should do the same thing. “Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” (Acts 17:11) The only way you can fully understand the NT is to know and understand the OT. You might want to read Barbara's post first before you do yours if you're unsure about this.
Ok, yes OT and NT are linked. That's what I meant also, probably I didn't explain it well
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Post by Cindy on May 20, 2015 11:08:57 GMT -5
Ok, sounds good!
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Post by evafromgreece on May 20, 2015 11:21:43 GMT -5
Kosher is the name of the rules they keep? As far as I am concerned, the Lord didn't said them not to combine milk and meat, right? So the majority of the rules are man made
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Post by evafromgreece on May 20, 2015 13:12:15 GMT -5
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Continuing Paul notes that people that have strong faith should help and sustain others to remain in Christ. Someone should not be strong in faith, or better old in the church and fail to be proud about this. Instead believers should focus on helping others. Just like Jesus did and offered himself as a sacrifice for us. So the members of the church should be united and accepting each other and sustaining each other.
15:08 it mentions circumcision and I am not sure why. I would say that Jesus fulfilled every single promise God gave in the OT and this is why we should rejoice and have hope in Christ, peace, happiness and faith through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Then Paul notes his purpose in spreading the Gospel among the nations. I am not sure about 17 Then he mentions the works he did through the Holy Spirit among the nations and his route that made the gentiles who didn't have the chance to hear to learn about the gospel.
After he speaks about his goal to go to spain and then to go to Rome to meet them. But firstly he would go to Jerusalem to help poor Christians and he mentions that churches from Macedonia and Achaia offered to help those people even they were far away. One little comment on this. This shows us what God wants from the churches, to show pure love in Christ and help each other and be a family in Christ. The opposite do most churches today. Everyone care for themselves and as I have mentioned before people often don't know even the names of eachother. Then Paul asks Romans to pray for him because he will be in trouble in Jerusalem. He didn't only ask a prayer for being safe, but a prayer to get helped from God to fulfill the purpose he had to help Christians in Jerusalem. So he put other people first.
-- I am not sure a week has past from the previous, though...
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Post by fearnot on May 20, 2015 14:08:34 GMT -5
What day should we aim for having Romans 15 ready? I see Eva already has but I wasn't sure if you wanted us to wait a week or post soon?
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Post by Cindy on May 21, 2015 12:50:02 GMT -5
Kosher is the name of the rules they keep? As far as I am concerned, the Lord didn't said them not to combine milk and meat, right? So the majority of the rules are man made Yes, he did tell them not to do so: “Do not slaughter a cow or a sheep and its young on the same day.” (Leviticus 22:28) “... Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.” (Exodus 23:19 and also Deuteronomy 14:21)
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Post by Cindy on May 21, 2015 12:52:11 GMT -5
What day should we aim for having Romans 15 ready? I see Eva already has but I wasn't sure if you wanted us to wait a week or post soon? No, Eva is supposed to be doing Romans 14 still. You can do Romans 15 a week from now ok?
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Post by fearnot on May 21, 2015 13:00:57 GMT -5
Like around May 29th?
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Post by Cindy on May 21, 2015 13:04:30 GMT -5
15 Continuing Paul notes that people that have strong faith should help and sustain others to remain in Christ. Someone should not be strong in faith, or better old in the church and fail to be proud about this. Instead believers should focus on helping others. Just like Jesus did and offered himself as a sacrifice for us. So the members of the church should be united and accepting each other and sustaining each other. 15:08 it mentions circumcision and I am not sure why. I would say that Jesus fulfilled every single promise God gave in the OT and this is why we should rejoice and have hope in Christ, peace, happiness and faith through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Then Paul notes his purpose in spreading the Gospel among the nations. I am not sure about 17 Then he mentions the works he did through the Holy Spirit among the nations and his route that made the gentiles who didn't have the chance to hear to learn about the gospel. After he speaks about his goal to go to spain and then to go to Rome to meet them. But firstly he would go to Jerusalem to help poor Christians and he mentions that churches from Macedonia and Achaia offered to help those people even they were far away. One little comment on this. This shows us what God wants from the churches, to show pure love in Christ and help each other and be a family in Christ. The opposite do most churches today. Everyone care for themselves and as I have mentioned before people often don't know even the names of eachother. Then Paul asks Romans to pray for him because he will be in trouble in Jerusalem. He didn't only ask a prayer for being safe, but a prayer to get helped from God to fulfill the purpose he had to help Christians in Jerusalem. So he put other people first. -- I am not sure a week has past from the previous, though... Eva, I have no idea what you're doing. You are supposed to be doing Romans 14, because you haven't done it yet. Barbara did it and she is now studying Romans 15 so she can write about that. This is what I told you to do on Romans 14:
The only thing you've done on Romans 14 so far was to ask a question about it. You have not written a couple of pages talking about the chapter and what the Lord is saying to us in it. So why are you even attempting to write bout chapter 15? I told you that you have one week to study the chapter and then you are to write about it. I also said that you can come ask me questions if you don't understand something so that when you DO write about it you will be correct and not make mistakes. You should have been ready to write about chapter 14 last Monday. I've been waiting to see what you will write about it. You are to write it like you are writing a sermon and pastors don't say, "I don't know what this means" when they do a sermon lol. That's why I told you to bring any questions to me at the beginning during your week of study so that when you wrote it, you would understand what you're writing about.
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Post by Cindy on May 21, 2015 13:05:10 GMT -5
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Post by evafromgreece on May 21, 2015 14:26:49 GMT -5
"The only thing you've done on Romans 14 so far was to ask a question about it." Read more: fresh-hope.com/thread/16/ti-bible-study-chat-romans?page=3#ixzz3anqGrDOqWhat do you mean? Chapter 14 I believe that in 14:1-5 Paul wants to make clear that some things are not that important. It reminds me of the story of Jesus who did heal in the day of Sabbath, and the priests did not notice the importance of the healing and focused on more on the day. So Paul says that believers are to support people who are in their beginning in faith and not to judge them about things that has no importance, such us food or seeing one day as more holy than another. In verses 6-9 Paul notices that our lives and anything we do in our lives belong to the Lord, we belong to the Lord who is the Lord of all and rose from the dead, and that is what really matters. In 10-12 Paul says again that we should not judge, and that this is God's role, because He knows our hearts. When we judge and not support, we make people go away from God and this is not helpful, this would not help people get closer to Him and get saved, and this is a sin also. Then also Paul tries to declare again what is important and what is not. There are not clear and unclear foods and we should not judge people on their eating habits and make them go away from Christ for something really useless. What is really useful is righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, the above I would say have eternal value while food has value only on earth. So we should not destroy Gods works by focusing on earthly things such us food. And I am not sure about 22-23 And why actually they were talking so much about food? Were they talking about fasting, right? Who is fasting and whos not? Read more: fresh-hope.com/thread/16/ti-bible-study-chat-romans?page=3#ixzz3anps4UIq
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Post by Cindy on May 22, 2015 10:06:48 GMT -5
Eva, I finally found where you wrote that back on May 12th, which was 3 days after I told you both to spend one week studying it and then to write a couple of pages about it like you were writing a sermon, and to ask me any questions you had about it before attempting to write your sermon. I assumed that you had not even seen my directions yet since you had done it wrong and replied you saying:As far as why animals had to die, it wasn't so that humans wouldn't have to because humans did die because of sin. Before they sinned, Adam and Eve would not have ever died. They did not get "old" or "sick" before they sinned. Because they sinned, they immediately began to die, and eventually did die, just as all humans have ever since. The only difference now is that for those who have been saved, we don't ever really die, we will live forever; but because we are stuck with this body, we do have to give it up so we can get our new body that will never die. So that isn't why God chose to have animals sacrificed. Here's Barbara's post about the animals and transformation. She did a very good job explaining it so hopefully you'll be able to understand it:
Chapter 14
I believe that in 14:1-5 Paul wants to make clear that some things are not that important. It reminds me of the story of Jesus who did heal in the day of Sabbath, and the priests did not notice the importance of the healing and focused on more on the day. So Paul says that believers are to support people who are in their beginning in faith and not to judge them about things that has no importance, such us food or seeing one day as more holy than another. In verses 6-9 Paul notices that our lives and anything we do in our lives belong to the Lord, we belong to the Lord who is the Lord of all and rose from the dead, and that is what really matters. In 10-12 Paul says again that we should not judge, and that this is God's role, because He knows our hearts. When we judge and not support, we make people go away from God and this is not helpful, this would not help people get closer to Him and get saved, and this is a sin also. Then also Paul tries to declare again what is important and what is not. There are not clear and unclear foods and we should not judge people on their eating habits and make them go away from Christ for something really useless. What is really useful is righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, the above I would say have eternal value while food has value only on earth. So we should not destroy Gods works by focusing on earthly things such us food. And I am not sure about 22-23
And why actually they were talking so much about food? Were they talking about fasting, right? Who is fasting and whos not? Eva, first, I've told you several times NOT to continue when there's something you don't understand, but to wait until you've understood what's already been said. Only IF you completely understand why God made it so animals have to die when people sinned, and how we are transformed, then you can continue with the next chapter. I posted that we're doing chapter 14 differently. Here is what I said about it:I want to do something different for chapter 14. Instead of doing it the way we have been, what I want you both to do for chapter 14 is to first pray, then read it, then study it over a period of one week. If there's something you don't understand or aren't sure of, I want you to pray about it and try to find the answer yourself. If after doing that, you're still unsure or have any doubts, you can post and ask me about that verse. After you have had one week to do this, I then want you to each write a couple of pages talking about chapter 14 and what the Lord is saying to us in it. Post it here when you're done, and we'll take it from there. So for now, you are the preacher, and you're going to study this chapter to prepare for your sermon and then write your sermon. OK? Of course this means you don't have to post at all during the next week unless of course you have a question and you want to be sure you got the answer right. You can use any materials you want to in order to help you prepare your sermon. Let's see what the Lord says to us through you! In verses 4-13, Paul was NOT saying we should not judge people at all. If he had said that, then he would be going against what the rest of the bible said. What he was saying was that we are not to judge people as being worthless or unworthy, or look down on them with contempt or think they're stupid, etc. for we can not know their motives or what is in their hearts, only God can know that and He is the one who will judge both them and us. He tells us too that we also should not judge a brother as being worthless or stupid or contemptible because we belong to each other and are part of each other and part of the same body and Jesus is the Head of that body. So when we do that, we're really calling ourselves and Jesus those things. Plus, Paul says that we cannot know what God's will is for another person, so who are we to determine what another person should or shouldn't do if it is not made clear in scripture?
The word for food you meant was "unclean" not "unclear". To the Jew's there are unclean foods, but Paul felt that all foods were clean. But he also knew that many others did not feel that way and he would not judge them as being wrong about it as he could not know their hearts or what the Lord's will was for them. That was and is between that person and the Lord and is none of our business. The same is true about people who celebrate holidays and those who don't, or people who worship one day and those who worship on another.
Paul's whole point is that we are to love each other and support each other and live in peace with each other. We are not to nit pick to find fault with each other, especially about things that are not made clear in scrpture. Yes, we are to judge righteously, and speak the truth in love if a brother or sister is sinning, and if they repent we are to forgive them and rejoice together. We're even to help them overcome the sin if we can. We are to see others as better then ourselves and look for ways to help and serve each other. Even though we may know that all foods are clean and that it's ok to celebrate holidays, if a brother or sister does not feel the same way, it's better for us to give up our rights so we don't cause them to stumble.
Eva, Barbara wrote 469 words explaining what Romans 14 was about. You wrote 305 words except 29 of them were questions which left you with only 276 words. I actually asked both of you to write a couple of pages, which really neither of you did, but since Barbara at least came close to 500 words I was willing to let it go at that this time. I also explained that you were both writing a sermon, which would of course have to be a least a couple of pages long, but also would have to be correct and not have any questions in it.
I'd like you to read what Barbara wrote about Romans 14 and then go ahead and spend the next week studying Romans 15. This time I do want you both to write a couple of pages like a sermon. I want a minimum of 1000 words from each of you and more would be much better. You should have it ready to post here by May 29th. I'll send a PM to Barbara too to remind her about the length again.
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Post by fearnot on May 22, 2015 13:47:31 GMT -5
How do I know I have written a 1000 words? Is there a counter somewhere or do I just count it myselfie? and I do have some questions....should I ask you or .. I noticed for the first time you mentioned we could also use some outside resources like maybe Got Questions?
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Post by Cindy on May 27, 2015 8:43:55 GMT -5
You can use whatever resources you want to, but this needs to be in your words, not copied. 1000 words is about two pages long, single spaced in normal sized handwriting. I may be able to add a word counter for you, but I'm not sure yet. Another way you can check is by copying what you write to a word counter like the one HERE and it will tell you how many words you have. After you paste it into the box, just click the space bar and it will give you the count. I just did it with what I've written here now, and it says I have 117 words and 570 characters so far.
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Post by fearnot on May 28, 2015 14:15:31 GMT -5
Oh cool about the counter. However I am not going to be ready by tomorrow
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Post by evafromgreece on May 29, 2015 11:03:02 GMT -5
Hey guys. I am not ok. My tonsils turned almost all white. Antibiotics again. I should consider seriously to take them off. In the public hospital the denied last time because they have a lot of people waiting for a surgery I believe. The next time it happens again soon they are out
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Post by fearnot on May 30, 2015 0:52:33 GMT -5
I am sorry to hear you are not feeling well Eva. I hope you will be feeling better soon.
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Post by Cindy on Jun 1, 2015 10:07:09 GMT -5
Hope you feel better soon Eva. I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say about chapter 14.
It's ok to be a little late Barbara. I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say about chapter 15.
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 1, 2015 15:40:37 GMT -5
In in 14:1-5 Paul wants to make clear that some things are not that important. It reminds me of the story of Jesus who did heal in the day of Sabbath, and the priests did not notice the importance of the healing and focused on more on the day. So Paul says that believers are to support people who are in their beginning in faith and not to judge them about things that has no importance, such us food or seeing one day as more holy than another. Seeing such things (food etc) as important is a sign of weakness in faith, and where the faith is weak we are to support people and not think negative things about them (14:1). For such not important things we are not to judge people but support them. These are between them and the Lord. The Lord is their master and He is the one who will sustain them in order for them not to fall for such things that are not really important. In verses 6-9 Paul notices that our lives and anything we do in our lives belong to the Lord, we belong to the Lord who is the Lord of all and rose from the dead, and that is what really matters. Whatever we do, whatever we eat or drink, the chance we have to breath and have our hearts beating, all of these are God's gifts and we often tend to see it as ours and not His.Also we tend to see them as things that will be there for ever. But its His, not ours, and we should be gratefull and not take it for granted.
In 10-12 Paul says again that we should not judge our brothers and sisters in Christ for things that are not important- for things that are not matters of faith and wrong beliefs and that lead to sin-, and that this is God's role, because He knows our hearts. When we judge for not important reasons and not support, people we make them go away from God and this is not helpful, this would not help people get closer to Him and get saved, and this is a sin also. Then also Paul tries to declare again what is important and what is not. There are not clear and unclear foods and we should not judge people on their eating habits and make them go away from Christ for something really useless and this does not shows character of Christ that is showing love and spreading love. What is really useful is righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, the above I would say have eternal value while food has value only on earth. So we should not destroy Gods works by focusing on earthly things such us food.
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Post by Cindy on Jun 2, 2015 12:31:13 GMT -5
In in 14:1-5 Paul wants to make clear that some things are not that important. It reminds me of the story of Jesus who did heal in the day of Sabbath, and the priests did not notice the importance of the healing and focused on more on the day. So Paul says that believers are to support people who are in their beginning in faith and not to judge them about things that has no importance, such us food or seeing one day as more holy than another. Seeing such things (food etc) as important is a sign of weakness in faith, and where the faith is weak we are to support people and not think negative things about them (14:1). For such not important things we are not to judge people but support them. These are between them and the Lord. The Lord is their master and He is the one who will sustain them in order for them not to fall for such things that are not really important. In verses 6-9 Paul notices that our lives and anything we do in our lives belong to the Lord, we belong to the Lord who is the Lord of all and rose from the dead, and that is what really matters. Whatever we do, whatever we eat or drink, the chance we have to breath and have our hearts beating, all of these are God's gifts and we often tend to see it as ours and not His.Also we tend to see them as things that will be there for ever. But its His, not ours, and we should be gratefull and not take it for granted. In 10-12 Paul says again that we should not judge our brothers and sisters in Christ for things that are not important- f or things that are not matters of faith and wrong beliefs and that lead to sin-, and that this is God's role, because He knows our hearts. When we judge for not important reasons and not support, people we make them go away from God and this is not helpful, this would not help people get closer to Him and get saved, and this is a sin also.Then also Paul tries to declare again what is important and what is not. There are not clear and unclear foods and we should not judge people on their eating habits and make them go away from Christ for something really useless and this does not shows character of Christ that is showing love and spreading love. What is really useful is righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, the above I would say have eternal value while food has value only on earth. So we should not destroy Gods works by focusing on earthly things such us food. That's better Eva. At least you added a little more to it, and since I let Barbara get away with not writing as much as she should have, I'll have to let you get away with it this time too. I assume you did not bother to use the word counter as you only wrote 472 words. The parts I put in bold are the parts you had already written before. You did still make some mistakes though. This is what I wrote about judging before. please read it again, keeping in mind the part of your post that I put in red:
We are most certainly to judge people's wrong beliefs that lead to sin. For one thing, you cannot even know that someone has a wrong belief that will lead to sin unless you have first judged that belief to be wrong. This is a matter of discernment. We are supposed to hold each other accountable. That means we are supposed to tell each other when we're about to do something that the Lord wouldn't want us to do, or when we are about to sin, or when we do sin. It is the world that has taught us not to say anything to people about that kind of thing, not God. So while we cannot know God's Will for another person, we can know that God would never want anyone to sin and we can therefore tell them about it if we feel it is the right thing for us to do at that time. Do you understand that?
Secondly, EVERYTHING IS A MATTER OF FAITH. There is no such thing as something that's not of faith, because all unbelief is sin, and anything that is not done in faith is sin. That's why a person who is not saved can do good works, wonderful works, all their lives and not be saved or go to heaven, while someone else who is saved, can do far less, and go to heaven, because what they did, they did in faith, while all the good works the unsaved person did, were done without faith. Do you understand that?
I explained about the word unclear before too, but I guess you didn't read that either. Please read it now:
(total of 1161 words in this post so far) I thought you had just used the wrong word in English, but now I'm not sure if you did or not. So why did you use the word, "unclear" in that part of your post?
You also asked before:
I thought we had explained that they were talking about food because some of the Christians in the Roman church back then were Jewish people who came to know Jesus and some were Gentiles. The Jewish people kept God's laws about food and would not eat anything that God had told the not to eat. The Gentiles did not follow God's laws about food or even know them, so they ate almost everything. BUT even the gentiles didn't think it was good to eat any food that had been offered to an idol, so they asked Paul what was right since they could not agree among themselves. This had nothing at all to do with fasting. It had and has to do with what we can eat and what we cannot eat, according to God's Will. Do you understand this?
For chapter 15 I want a minimum of 1000 words from each of you and more would be much better. I want to first pray, then read it, then study it over a period of one week. If there's something you don't understand or aren't sure of, I want you to pray about it and try to find the answer yourself. If after doing that, you're still unsure or have any doubts, you can post and ask me about that verse. After you have had one week to do this, I then want you to write a couple of pages talking about the chapter and what the Lord is saying to us in it. Post it here when you're done. So for now, you are the preacher, and you're going to study this chapter to prepare for your sermon and then write your sermon. Of course this means you don't have to post at all during the next week unless of course you have a question and you want to be sure you got the answer right. You can use any materials you want to in order to help you prepare your sermon. Let's see what the Lord says to us through you! 1000 words is about two pages long, single spaced in normal sized handwriting. I may be able to add a word counter for you, but I'm not sure yet. Another way you can check how many words you have is by copying what you write to a word counter like the one HERE and it will tell you how many words you have. After you paste it into the box, just click the space bar and it will give you the count.
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fearnot
Living With Pain
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Post by fearnot on Jun 3, 2015 11:20:43 GMT -5
2 nights ago I ate 1/3 of a very small slice of pizza and even tore off the cheese and gave it to our cat. But then almost immediately had to go to the bathroom for 12 hours with the wrost constipation, gas and vomitting. I got exactly 1/2 an hour off the pot and sleep but that was all. Several times I thought we would have to go to the ER. I threw up about 6 times...how that could be a tiny slice of pizza I do not know?
When 8 am, the next morning (yesterday) rolled around I was so exhausted I slept (except to go potty) until right now). I ate 1/4 of a MCD's yogurt parfait and 1/2 a bowl of top ramien. I am afraid to eat, as my stomach and intestines are still upset and unhappy.
Needless to say I didn't do my Bible study. I am only on verse 13. It has been very slow going . It always seemed to me Paul was so organized and as I struggle thru this chapter I do begin to see it... but for some reason this chapter is the hardest one for me so far. Hopefully if I don't have any relapse I can get a move on because this chapter also is kind of long 33 verses. I do have a lot written so far ( I think I may already be at a thousand words?)/font comic sans MS]
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Post by Cindy on Jun 4, 2015 11:12:12 GMT -5
Take your time Barbara. Remember I said at least 1000 words and that more would be better, so feel free to write more then that. I hope you get to feeling better soon hon.
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