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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 4, 2015 15:33:42 GMT -5
One small question before I reply to the above. It's out of topic.
Is it a sin for a woman to do a short haircut?
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Post by fearnot on Jun 5, 2015 16:57:47 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy so much I am so sorry to be lagging. I have about 10 more verses to go. I am hoping to finish today if at all possible but then I will have to write it here and be sure I have a thousand words.
I am still eating basically soup, yogurt, and applesauce veg. juice, grape juice, and milk because my stomach is still queezy (sp?)
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Post by Cindy on Jun 6, 2015 10:48:17 GMT -5
One small question before I reply to the above. It's out of topic. Is it a sin for a woman to do a short haircut?
Thank you Cindy so much I am so sorry to be lagging. I have about 10 more verses to go. I am hoping to finish today if at all possible but then I will have to write it here and be sure I have a thousand words.
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Post by fearnot on Jun 6, 2015 11:12:45 GMT -5
After I finish my 4 1/2-5 hours babysitting I am ready to write on the counter page yeah!!!! Perhaps even to post
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Post by Cindy on Jun 6, 2015 12:53:49 GMT -5
great! But no hurry. I have graduation parties and graduations to attend tomorrow and most of next week too, so I most likely won't have time to read it till Monday.
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Post by fearnot on Jun 6, 2015 18:53:26 GMT -5
I am going to have to do Romans in sections because my computer or provider is acting strange closing windows I am on etc. and I don't want to loose what I am working on.
Romans Chapter 15
The mature believer is given some instructions on how to interact with the new baby Christian and/or weak Christians who are failing in some way (either through ignorance, errors etc.). They are not to be humiliated because of their shortcomings and fraility, or treated as wicked because they are misguided. A scripture guide that comes to mind would be:
I Corinthians 13:4-8
"4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails..."
The more developed believer must take care not to be puffed up by spiritual pride so that they grieve the young or fragile believer by doing anything such as eating meat in front of them (if the not so developed believer is afraid its a sin etc). The more advanced believer should not behave for their own pleasure but for the glory of God, and to encourage and build up other 'insecure' or vulnerable believers.
It is important that the secure believer realizes that the timid insecure believer can be like a bruised reed and the more experienced believer need to be careful not to crush them. The strong need to remember that they were once new baby believers and more advanced Christians built them up.
We all walk according to the light God has given us...so a new baby Christian tho misinformed and even in error, if he thinks a food is unclean, then it is unclean to him ( until he is persuaded otherwise)... Hence the 'older' Christian should not shake the new one's tender and weak faith over a bit of meat he might fancy.
Both the weak and the strong should accept one another because Jesus accepted both of them. We received God's mercy instead of the Judgement we deserve ( which gives rise to our glorifying God).
The responsible Christian should study how to please their neighbor ( but not by disregarding their sins) for the good of their souls. Jesus was the best example of this, he was not spoiled, pleasing himself only, but rather he denied himself. Jesus could have had anything He wished in this world, instead he didn't even have a place to lay His head. He even bore our humiliations,indignities, and reproaches.
This not only encourages the weak, it also helps us to become more like our Lord and Savior Jesus. Jesus lived, taught, died and rose among the Jews. By doing so, He established the the Truth and Promises made to the Patriarchs and therefore the Gentiles would glorify God. To prove that the Gentiles would glorify God Paul gives 4 Bible quotes: Psalm 18:49, Deut. 32:43, Psalm 117:1 and Isaiah 11:10.
Paul compliments the Roman Christians in three categories: goodness, knowledge, and competence to instruct. The knowledge would be spiritual knowledge relating to God the Father, Son and Spirit. He is writing to remind them of their duties and dangers because he is the apostle to the Gentiles.
However, Paul was not able to make one person obedient, only God's Holy spirit, and Jesus (who does it by us) can do that.
So it is only in Christ Jesus he could boast. We are never to boast in men but only in our Lord and Savior, Jesus. Whatever good we do, it is Jesus who has done it, and so it was for Paul ( in leading the Gentiles to obey God).
The Bible was written for our learning. Many people think the Old Testament can be basically ignored now that we have the New Testament. However, both Jesus and Paul quote from the Old Testament. Jesus said all that was written in the Old Testament was about Him ( His love, His patience, His self sacrifice etc.). It is from the Old Testament examples and types that we may hope in scripture. Not only that we might have hope, but it also speaks of eternal life, the Father's love and mercy for us, and the Promise of a Savior to procure salvation for us.
God (Jesus) is patient as part of His glorious character. He has born a very long time with sinners and continues to do so to this very day, because of his great love. It is this love that He wants us to be like minded to our brothers and sisters in Jesus, not withstanding some differences about ceremonies, food, and the like. Jesus obliges us to love one another with patience. Although there may be some different doctrinal view points held by Christians we can all agree with one mind and voice, to glorify God in praying and praising Him!
Paul preached the gospel where the other apostles had not. He wouldn't leave his work of planting churches, but since he had completed the work pleasing to God, he could go onto Rome (on his way to Spain), depending (of course) on the will of God.
However he would go to Jerusalem first to deliver the contribution of the Macedonia and Achaia churches, to give to the poor among the Lord's people (they were pleased to give and did it cheerfully).
God loves a cheerful giver. But in addition it was also just and their duty.
Paul would bring all of it, not converting any of it for his own use.
Paul would bring all of it, not converting any of it for his own use.Paul planned to go to Spain and later to Rome. Nevertheless, 'man proposes but God disposes' ( yet in the end it is always for good, tho it may seem the opposite at the time)
Jesus loved and accepted both Jew and Gentile, male and female, etc. We are to also accept one another, not just tolerate, but love each other. This does not mean however accepting unrepentant sins.
Paul tell the Roman Christians that when he comes it will be with the blessings of the Gospel of Jesus, which would so uplift them:
forgiveness of their sins, peace, salvation, eternal life.
He asks for their prayers because he so values the fervent and effectualness of prayer. He asks for prayers and he also prays for the God of peace to be with all of them. 1068 words so far
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Post by fearnot on Jun 7, 2015 11:57:38 GMT -5
I hope to finish typing today....sorry I just got tooo tired and I didn't want to lose the 256 words so far. I am learry that the 'Whatits draft thingy' would keep it
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Post by Cindy on Jun 8, 2015 10:00:04 GMT -5
No problem. I'll wait until you've got it all posted then before I start reading. So let me know when you post the last of it ok?
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Post by fearnot on Jun 8, 2015 10:34:00 GMT -5
Thank you again Cindy;
Yes, Cindy my plan is to (God willing) finish today....
but
there is so much going on right now is insane!!
I do have a full babysitting day but still....
However, if something gets in the way today ( I am a very very slow typer)...
tomorrow we have off!
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Post by Cindy on Jun 10, 2015 9:06:59 GMT -5
I am going to have to do Romans in sections because my computer or provider is acting strange closing windows I am on etc. and I don't want to loose what I am working on.
Romans Chapter 15
The mature believer is given some instructions on how to interact with the new baby Christian and/or weak Christians who are failing in some way (either through ignorance, errors etc.). They are not to be humiliated because of their shortcomings and fraility, or treated as wicked because they are misguided. A scripture guide that comes to mind would be:
I Corinthians 13:4-8
"4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails..."
The more developed believer must take care not to be puffed up by spiritual pride so that they grieve the young or fragile believer by doing anything such as eating meat in front of them (if the not so developed believer is afraid its a sin etc). The more advanced believer should not behave for their own pleasure but for the glory of God, and to encourage and build up other 'insecure' or vulnerable believers.
It is important that the secure believer realizes that the timid insecure believer can be like a bruised reed and the more experienced believer need to be careful not to crush them. The strong need to remember that they were once new baby believers and more advanced Christians built them up.
We all walk according to the light God has given us...so a new baby Christian tho misinformed and even in error, if he thinks a food is unclean, then it is unclean to him ( until he is persuaded otherwise)... Hence the 'older' Christian should not shake the new one's tender and weak faith over a bit of meat he might fancy.
Both the weak and the strong should accept one another because Jesus accepted both of them. We received God's mercy instead of the Judgement we deserve ( which gives rise to our glorifying God).
The responsible Christian should study how to please their neighbor ( but not by disregarding their sins) for the good of their souls. Jesus was the best example of this, he was not spoiled, pleasing himself only, but rather he denied himself. Jesus could have had anything He wished in this world, instead he didn't even have a place to lay His head. He even bore our humiliations,indignities, and reproaches.
This not only encourages the weak, it also helps us to become more like our Lord and Savior Jesus. Jesus lived, taught, died and rose among the Jews. By doing so, He established the the Truth and Promises made to the Patriarchs and therefore the Gentiles would glorify God. To prove that the Gentiles would glorify God Paul gives 4 Bible quotes: Psalm 18:49, Deut. 32:43, Psalm 117:1 and Isaiah 11:10.
Paul compliments the Roman Christians in three categories: goodness, knowledge, and competence to instruct. The knowledge would be spiritual knowledge relating to God the Father, Son and Spirit. He is writing to remind them of their duties and dangers because he is the apostle to the Gentiles.
However, Paul was not able to make one person obedient, only God's Holy spirit, and Jesus (who does it by us) can do that.
So it is only in Christ Jesus he could boast. We are never to boast in men but only in our Lord and Savior, Jesus. Whatever good we do, it is Jesus who has done it, and so it was for Paul ( in leading the Gentiles to obey God).
The Bible was written for our learning. Many people think the Old Testament can be basically ignored now that we have the New Testament. However, both Jesus and Paul quote from the Old Testament. Jesus said all that was written in the Old Testament was about Him ( His love, His patience, His self sacrifice etc.). It is from the Old Testament examples and types that we may hope in scripture. Not only that we might have hope, but it also speaks of eternal life, the Father's love and mercy for us, and the Promise of a Savior to procure salvation for us.
God (Jesus) is patient as part of His glorious character. He has born a very long time with sinners and continues to do so to this very day, because of his great love. It is this love that He wants us to be like minded to our brothers and sisters in Jesus, not withstanding some differences about ceremonies, food, and the like. Jesus obliges us to love one another with patience. Although there may be some different doctrinal view points held by Christians we can all agree with one mind and voice, to glorify God in praying and praising Him!
Paul preached the gospel where the other apostles had not. He wouldn't leave his work of planting churches, but since he had completed the work pleasing to God, he could go onto Rome (on his way to Spain), depending (of course) on the will of God.
However he would go to Jerusalem first to deliver the contribution of the Macedonia and Achaia churches, to give to the poor among the Lord's people (they were pleased to give and did it cheerfully).
God loves a cheerful giver. But in addition it was also just and their duty.
Paul would bring all of it, not converting any of it for his own use.
Paul would bring all of it, not converting any of it for his own use.Paul planned to go to Spain and later to Rome. Nevertheless, 'man proposes but God disposes' ( yet in the end it is always for good, tho it may seem the opposite at the time)
Jesus loved and accepted both Jew and Gentile, male and female, etc. We are to also accept one another, not just tolerate, but love each other. This does not mean however accepting unrepentant sins.
Paul tell the Roman Christians that when he comes it will be with the blessings of the Gospel of Jesus, which would so uplift them:
forgiveness of their sins, peace, salvation, eternal life.
He asks for their prayers because he so values the fervent and effectualness of prayer. He asks for prayers and he also prays for the God of peace to be with all of them. 1068 words so far
I know you don't have the tools to get into what the words in the original languages mean, which is why I gave you the hint I did. It's not a big deal that you forgot about it, but I did want to bring it up so you could add it to what you learned by doing this.
I think you did a fantastic job. How do you feel about it? Did you feel good about what you wrote and what you learned and knew? Do you feel confident about this chapter now? I would hope so after doing such a good job!
As for chapter 16, I'm not going to ask for a specific number of words on that chapter as it's got a lot of names in it mostly. But I would like you to pray, read, and study chapter 16 for a week and then write a sermon on it like you did for this one. This will be a real challenge for you because of the content of the chapter. What would you do with it if you were a pastor and had to preach on this chapter. What would you teach your congregation from it?
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Post by fearnot on Jun 10, 2015 11:25:29 GMT -5
You are right I did forget! I also got so sick, dropped my unnumbered notes and in the beginning I was more frustrated because at first it seemed confusing and not well organized as I was accustomed from Paul.
(But again you are right I did and do feel pretty good about it cuz)
But then....
I started to enjoyed studying it,
and more than that,
once I got going it was the highlight of my day ( peaceful,calm, and happy with how it was coming along).
Thank you so much.
Oh I did discuss that verse but not from the standpoint of the hint....sorry! :-(
Next time I will write your hint down on my notes
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Post by Cindy on Jun 11, 2015 11:23:28 GMT -5
It's not a big deal hon. Besides no preacher, no matter how good, can get in everything a verse of chapter is teaching us in one sermon. So you did a very good job with what you wrote!
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Post by fearnot on Jun 11, 2015 12:48:02 GMT -5
Thank you :birdhouse:
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 11, 2015 15:26:50 GMT -5
Hello guys.
I am here.
I am sorry Barbara that you had trouble with your health. I hope you are feeling better.
I had a hard week. That's why I wasn't here. I believe On Saturday on my day off I will have ready the next part
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Post by Cindy on Jun 15, 2015 11:40:35 GMT -5
Sorry you've had such a hard time hon. Looking forward to see what you write.
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Post by fearnot on Jun 15, 2015 12:11:13 GMT -5
I want to start it today but again cuz I am such a slow typer it may take me a couple of posts
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 15, 2015 12:43:18 GMT -5
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Continuing Paul notes that people that have strong faith should help and sustain others to remain in Christ. And he says that we should not like ourselves. I think that this is something we unfortunately tend to see. We are not to bring glory to ourselves but we are to bring glory in Christ and do His will. And we should remember that whatever we do is through the Holy Spirit. How can we be proud of ourselves at the time when we cannot do not even one little thing if God does not allow it? Even Christ didn't do anything to bring glory to Himself but He did everything in order to follow the will of His Father. So the members of the church should be united and accepting each other and sustaining each other. The same way He accepted us, not because we deserved it but because He loved us, that way we should accept other people (of course this does not mean to accept sin)
All the promises were made about Jesus in the Old Testament He fulfilled them. In 15:9-12 Paul mentions all nations. Jesus is the Saviour not only of the nation of Israel, but of all nations, as it was mentioned also in the O.T, but I believe the people of Israel didn't see the connection.
Because Jesus fulfilled every single promise God gave in the OT and this is why we should rejoice and have hope in Christ, peace, happiness and faith through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Paul was sure that the church of Romans was full of kindness and knowledge in order for the members to help one another. And then he mentions his purpose and the role God gave to him to spread the Gospel among the nations.
Paul notes that for everything he has done so far, he is proud of the power of our Lord. This is linked to the first verses of the chapter that he notes that we should not bring glory to ourselves, but to God. All the works he did was thorough the power of the Holy Spirit. He spread the word of God among the nations and mentions his route that made the gentiles who didn't have the chance to hear to learn about the gospel. In 21 Paul mentions again the difference between the Jews and the gentiles and that what actually happened-the fact that the Jews did not accepted Jesus- was mentioned before in the scriptures.
After he speaks about his goal to go to spain and then to go to Rome to meet them. But firstly he would go to Jerusalem to help poor Christians and he mentions that churches from Macedonia and Achaia offered to help those people even they were far away. One little comment on this. This shows us what God wants from the churches, to show pure love in Christ and help each other and be a family in Christ. The opposite do most churches today. Everyone care for themselves and as I have mentioned before people often don't know even the names of eachother.
Then Paul asks Romans to pray for him because he will be in trouble in Jerusalem. He didn't only ask a prayer for being safe, but a prayer to get helped from God to fulfill the purpose he had to help Christians in Jerusalem. So he put other people first.
I think I cannot make it to 1000 words, I wrote almost 600 but I don't know what else to mention
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Post by fearnot on Jun 15, 2015 17:21:39 GMT -5
Romans Chapter 16
Paul has been called a male chauvinist by various feminists groups. Romans 16 is just one of many scriptures that prove the opposite. What sort of chauvinist would start the very first verse of Romans 16 with applauds and endorses of Phoebe?.
There seems to be some question as concerning if the office of a deaconess existed, but it really isn't the point considering Jesus himself became a servant ( "rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant" Philippians 2:7).
The Roman brothers and sisters in Christ were to receive her as a fellow saint. Paul goes on to say she had helped many people, including he himself.
Furthermore, critics of the Bible often try to disparage, vilify and malign the Bible saying it demeaned, and marginalized woman as mere chattel, yet chapter 16 speaks highly of several other woman besides Phoebe. Next Paul commends Priscilla and Aquila as his co-workers who risked their very lives for Paul. In fact, all the Gentile churches were grateful to them. Paul puts Priscilla on an equal basis. He mentions church was held in their home. As an aside, I wonder the way things are going in our country, if perhaps our churches may be heading towards being held in homes once again if our Lord Jesus tarries a little while longer?
Paul mentions about 29 people most of whom he has never met, yet he can give some distinctive information about many of them.
Christians today might think that this list of long dead saints has little bearing or application for our lives today. Yet with just a little musing on this most of us know that with a little digging scripture is always for our correction , training in righteousness, examples for edification etc. It is always worth studying!!!
The fact that Paul knows something about most of the people should remind us that God know each and every person who has ever lived. Paul lists the people in family groups such as husband and wife, brother and sister, etc. They included rich and poor, nobles and slaves, men and women, Gentiles and Jews etc.
This is an example to us. Instead of being so self-centered, we ought to focus on others. we as Christians want to be pleasing to God, and caring for others is our responsibility and/or mission.
We now come to a slightly curious matter where Paul suggest the Christians greet each other with a "Holy Kiss". It should be noted that in some countries it might cause some to stumble because of the intimacy it could mistakenly imply, therefore it would not be the right thing to do ( somewhat along the lines of eating meat or not etc.).But as a true test of true love of the brethren ( no matter how different) it was a real test of obedience.
Indeed for our culture today a handshake or hug, or it also might be better demonstrated by being given to hospitality to believers who would not normally be invited to our home.
We are to love God first and then our family and Christian brothers and sisters in Christ ( as ourselves). Love is one of God's main character traits, and thus it is a goal for us.
As a crazy aside I wonder if the Holy kiss is (in part), where the Catholics get the rather bizarre practice of kissing the pope's ring?
In any case, its one of many false things which show why we need to be in the word ( God's word the Bible), otherwise how will we know how false gospels corrupt the word of God!
However love does not mean we are to fellowship with those in the church that are 'troublemakers'. Notwithstanding, Christians generally gloss over this command. Instead of absolute avoidance, we try to keep things pleasant and nice, which will not work, nor is it beneficial to the quarrelsome person's spiritual growth.
We find obeying this command especially hard if the disputatious individual is a family member or a close friend.On the other hand had we obeyed God, rather than pleasing mankind, the confrontational person would soon have no one to fight with.
We find obeying this command especially hard if the disputatious individual is a family member or a close friend.On the other hand had we obeyed God, rather than pleasing mankind,the confrontational person would soon have no one to fight with.
Worse yet, are those individuals who flatter and deceive those that are naive. They are serving themselves and not Jesus. We are therefore encouraged to be wise about what is good and innocent about what is evil. When we fellowship with such mortals, it is more likely they will pull us down, than our pulling them up ( which is God's job, not ours). The truth of the matter is we most likely will have to bend our values and compromise, so as not to offend them with our being too stuffy and uptight. We will often tolerate a 'little' sin (and soon perhaps a lot of sin) for the sake of 'friendship'.
Actually we are to be on guard for those who spread false gospel and/or doctrine. One ( out of many character flaws) is to seek to fill their own appetites. If a smooth talker is also at ease in accepting gifts, this is a clue they are not 'servants' of Christ. For example, I recently read of some religious leader accepting a fancy jet.
Once again it is knowing the Word of God that can protect us, because like Satan ( who can cite scripture) they will pick and choose specific scriptures to deceive the inexperienced baby Christian, the trusting and naive. However, the more you know of God's complete word, you will be able to detect, recognize, and spot the chicanery, the subterfuge, and the dishonest trickery.
They like satan, are great wordsmiths, often having an elegant style, which they use to tickle human nature of pride and vanity.
If they offer, for example, to the weak, power, or promote being 'free', or suggest some sins are less than others (venial sins are not scriptural) and thus sooth and flatter men concerning God's mercy, saying God will wink at their sins....you can know to turn your back on such men and get in the Word!
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Post by Cindy on Jun 16, 2015 13:44:56 GMT -5
15 Continuing Paul notes that people that have strong faith should help and sustain others to remain in Christ. And he says that we should not like ourselves. I think that this is something we unfortunately tend to see. We are not to bring glory to ourselves but we are to bring glory in Christ and do His will. And we should remember that whatever we do is through the Holy Spirit. How can we be proud of ourselves at the time when we cannot do not even one little thing if God does not allow it? Even Christ didn't do anything to bring glory to Himself but He did everything in order to follow the will of His Father. So the members of the church should be united and accepting each other and sustaining each other. The same way He accepted us, not because we deserved it but because He loved us, that way we should accept other people (of course this does not mean to accept sin) All the promises were made about Jesus in the Old Testament He fulfilled them. In 15:9-12 Paul mentions all nations. Jesus is the Saviour not only of the nation of Israel, but of all nations, as it was mentioned also in the O.T, but I believe the people of Israel didn't see the connection. Because Jesus fulfilled every single promise God gave in the OT and this is why we should rejoice and have hope in Christ, peace, happiness and faith through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Paul was sure that the church of Romans was full of kindness and knowledge in order for the members to help one another. And then he mentions his purpose and the role God gave to him to spread the Gospel among the nations. Paul notes that for everything he has done so far, he is proud of the power of our Lord. This is linked to the first verses of the chapter that he notes that we should not bring glory to ourselves, but to God. All the works he did was thorough the power of the Holy Spirit. He spread the word of God among the nations and mentions his route that made the gentiles who didn't have the chance to hear to learn about the gospel. In 21 Paul mentions again the difference between the Jews and the gentiles and that what actually happened-the fact that the Jews did not accepted Jesus- was mentioned before in the scriptures. After he speaks about his goal to go to spain and then to go to Rome to meet them. But firstly he would go to Jerusalem to help poor Christians and he mentions that churches from Macedonia and Achaia offered to help those people even they were far away. One little comment on this. This shows us what God wants from the churches, to show pure love in Christ and help each other and be a family in Christ. The opposite do most churches today. Everyone care for themselves and as I have mentioned before people often don't know even the names of eachother. Then Paul asks Romans to pray for him because he will be in trouble in Jerusalem. He didn't only ask a prayer for being safe, but a prayer to get helped from God to fulfill the purpose he had to help Christians in Jerusalem. So he put other people first. I think I cannot make it to 1000 words, I wrote almost 600 but I don't know what else to mention
Not counting your last sentence this is 572 words. Not very long at all hon.
This is good but there are a few things I want to make sure you understand. I put the parts I'm commenting on in your post in bold.
First, Jesus did not fulfill every prophecy made of Him in the Old Testament. There are many prophecies in the Old Testament about His Second Coming and He has not fulfilled those yet. So what He fulfilled were all the prophecies of His first coming. The reason the Old Testament is not clear about there being two different times He would come is because it all depended on whether or not Israel would accept Him as their Messiah. If they had, there would have only been one coming. Because they didn't, there will be two.
You also forgot about the hint I gave you about Romans 15:14, like Barbara did. See my reply to her to see why it is important.
You are correct about what God wants from the Church, but that is not all He wants or all it says in those verses. What was Paul collecting from them and why? What did Paul tell them about it in verse 27? “They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.” (Romans 15:27) I underlined the parts you should see. This also applies to you and me. We also owe it to the Jews to share our material blessings with them.
Have you read what Barbara wrote about this chapter? Did you read it before you wrote this? I don't think you understand what I'm asking you to do. Either that, or you are not getting very much out of what you are reading, which says to me that you are simply reading it and not studying it. What other resources did you use to help you when you studied this chapter? I told you that you could use any that you could find. If you were a pastor giving a sermon about Romans 15, don't you think that you would have studied that chapter as hard as you could and looked up everything you could find about it, and talked to the Lord about it a lot before you gave your sermon? That is what I asked you to do. Honestly, writing 1000 words after doing all of that, is very little. Normally people would write a LOT more then that. If you really did study it as hard as you know how to, and looked it up on line or read other sermons or commentaries about it, read what Barbara wrote, or spoke to others, even your pastor about it, and prayed about it, then you did well and will get better with time. Only you and the Lord can know that for sure. Before you go any further though, I would like to hear your reply to this.
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Post by Cindy on Jun 16, 2015 14:19:15 GMT -5
Romans Chapter 16
Paul has been called a male chauvinist by various feminists groups. Romans 16 is just one of many scriptures that prove the opposite. What sort of chauvinist would start the very first verse of Romans 16 with applauds and endorses of Phoebe?.
There seems to be some question as concerning if the office of a deaconess existed, but it really isn't the point considering Jesus himself became a servant ( "rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant" Philippians 2:7).
The Roman brothers and sisters in Christ were to receive her as a fellow saint. Paul goes on to say she had helped many people, including he himself.
Furthermore, critics of the Bible often try to disparage, vilify and malign the Bible saying it demeaned, and marginalized woman as mere chattel, yet chapter 16 speaks highly of several other woman besides Phoebe. Next Paul commends Priscilla and Aquila as his co-workers who risked their very lives for Paul. In fact, all the Gentile churches were grateful to them. Paul puts Priscilla on an equal basis. He mentions church was held in their home. As an aside, I wonder the way things are going in our country, if perhaps our churches may be heading towards being held in homes once again if our Lord Jesus tarries a little while longer?
Paul mentions about 29 people most of whom he has never met, yet he can give some distinctive information about many of them.
Christians today might think that this list of long dead saints has little bearing or application for our lives today. Yet with just a little musing on this most of us know that with a little digging scripture is always for our correction , training in righteousness, examples for edification etc. It is always worth studying!!!
The fact that Paul knows something about most of the people should remind us that God know each and every person who has ever lived. Paul lists the people in family groups such as husband and wife, brother and sister, etc. They included rich and poor, nobles and slaves, men and women, Gentiles and Jews etc.
This is an example to us. Instead of being so self-centered, we ought to focus on others. we as Christians want to be pleasing to God, and caring for others is our responsibility and/or mission.
We now come to a slightly curious matter where Paul suggest the Christians greet each other with a "Holy Kiss". It should be noted that in some countries it might cause some to stumble because of the intimacy it could mistakenly imply, therefore it would not be the right thing to do ( somewhat along the lines of eating meat or not etc.).But as a true test of true love of the brethren ( no matter how different) it was a real test of obedience.
Indeed for our culture today a handshake or hug, or it also might be better demonstrated by being given to hospitality to believers who would not normally be invited to our home.
We are to love God first and then our family and Christian brothers and sisters in Christ ( as ourselves). Love is one of God's main character traits, and thus it is a goal for us.
As a crazy aside I wonder if the Holy kiss is (in part), where the Catholics get the rather bizarre practice of kissing the pope's ring?
In any case, its one of many false things which show why we need to be in the word ( God's word the Bible), otherwise how will we know how false gospels corrupt the word of God!
However love does not mean we are to fellowship with those in the church that are 'troublemakers'. Notwithstanding, Christians generally gloss over this command. Instead of absolute avoidance, we try to keep things pleasant and nice, which will not work, nor is it beneficial to the quarrelsome person's spiritual growth.
We find obeying this command especially hard if the disputatious individual is a family member or a close friend.On the other hand had we obeyed God, rather than pleasing mankind, the confrontational person would soon have no one to fight with.
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Actually we are to be on guard for those who spread false gospel and/or doctrine. One ( out of many character flaws) is to seek to fill their own appetites. If a smooth talker is also at ease in accepting gifts, this is a clue they are not 'servants' of Christ. For example, I recently read of some religious leader accepting a fancy jet.
Once again it is knowing the Word of God that can protect us, because like Satan ( who can cite scripture) they will pick and choose specific scriptures to deceive the inexperienced baby Christian, the trusting and naive. However, the more you know of God's complete word, you will be able to detect, recognize, and spot the chicanery, the subterfuge, and the dishonest trickery.
They like satan, are great wordsmiths, often having an elegant style, which they use to tickle human nature of pride and vanity.
If they offer, for example, to the weak, power, or promote being 'free', or suggest some sins are less than others (venial sins are not scriptural) and thus sooth and flatter men concerning God's mercy, saying God will wink at their sins....you can know to turn your back on such men and get in the Word!
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First, what makes you think Paul didn't know the people he greeted in his letter? On the contrary, he did know them! That's one of the points this makes to us, that Paul wasn't just a soul winner, he was also a friend maker. He won people to Christ and befriended them because he loved them. They were his spiritual children, or so he considered them.
Just because I find it interesting and think you may also, where it says that Phoebe had been a great help" to them, the word for help or helper in the original language means “protectress.” She helped protect Paul and other Christians from persecution, most likely putting her own life at risk in the process!
Also when he speaks of Mary in verse 6, the words that she worked hard, mean that she worked to the point of exhaustion. That's saying a lot! We saw that Priscilla and Aquila also risked their lives for Paul as I'm sure many others did too. Just as I'm sure there were many others that worked to the point of exhaustion. That's certainly as sad commentary on the state of our church today. When was the last time we saw anyone work that hard to bring others to salvation, or to teach others about God and His Word? I can't recall seeing anyone do that......
As far as the "holy kiss" goes, I like what you say, but you need to remember to focus on every word... Paul's instruction was for a "holy" kiss, not just a regular kiss. Because of that one word, we know that he was showing the difference between something carnal and something spiritual and loving. This wasn't a kiss on the lips by the way. It was a kiss on the forehead, the cheeks or the beard (if they were male) and was actually a very common greeting in those days in the mid east, among family and friends. This would have been especially important to the believers since many of them had been thrown out by their families and their temple and had no one besides other believers to be their friends or family. Back then, being a Christian meant that you lost everything and everyone you loved or cared about, unless they too became believers.
While it could be mistaken for something else today just because our society is so sinful and there's not much good teaching, back then, it wouldn't have caused anyone to stumble or seemed unusual at all. BUT you're right that it would have been a test of obedience when it involved Jew's and Gentiles giving each other a holy kiss, as they'd been enemies for as long as they could remember. I love how you got that the test would have been the showing of love and not the kiss itself though! (and no, that's not where kissing the pope's ring comes from)
BUT just as an interesting fact let me quote a commentary about that verse:
The Churches of Christ (COC) sect takes its name from this verse, making the claim that the true church will also have the correct scriptural name. Christ said, “I will build My church” (Mt 16:18). The COC argues that since it is Christ’s church, it should be called the Church of Christ. Different verses, however, point to other likely names, such as “church of God” (1 Co 10:32; Gl 1:13) and “assembly of the firstborn” (Heb 12:23). Nowhere does God’s Word prescribe that a church should have a specific name. The Apologetics Study Bible
I really like the way you showed the difference between God's kind of love and the world's love too and what it means. All in all, another very good job! I'll be back tomorrow and we can talk about what's next ok? Hope you didn't mind me adding some info to this, I just thought you might find it interesting is all...
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Post by fearnot on Jun 16, 2015 23:27:03 GMT -5
Thank you so very much Cindy! I always love you wonderful additional information i.e. the info about where the Holy Kiss would be given, and the culture etc. But what was moving to my heart was that many of them had been thrown out of their homes, and the affectionate kiss from their Christian brother and/or sister might be the only love shown to them in a long perhaps lonely while.
I wasn't quite done...I am not a good guesser but maybe another 100 to go.
However I finished it now.
Here is the last little bit:
Actually we are to be on guard for those who spread false gospel and/or doctrine. One ( out of many character flaws) is to seek to fill their own appetites. If a smooth talker is also at ease in accepting gifts, this is a clue they are not 'servants' of Christ. For example, I recently read of some religious leader accepting a fancy jet.
Once again it is knowing the Word of God that can protect us, because like Satan ( who can cite scripture) they will pick and choose specific scriptures to deceive the inexperienced baby Christian, the trusting and naive. However, the more you know of God's complete word, you will be able to detect, recognize, and spot the chicanery, the subterfuge, and the dishonest trickery.
They like satan, are great wordsmiths, often having an elegant style, which they use to tickle human nature of pride and vanity.
If they offer, for example, to the weak, power, or promote being 'free', or suggest some sins are less than others (venial sins are not scriptural) and thus sooth and flatter men concerning God's mercy, saying God will wink at their sins....you can know to turn your back on such men and get in the Word!
Just to let you know
I see my GYN tomorrow
and...
it's our daughter's birthday ( the 18th).
Also, one of her best friends is visiting for 4 days.
Connie, Hossanah's friend will be taking our grandchildren with her back to Calif. ( to visit their dad)
I kind of wanted some counsel concerning Hossanah. Should I post in the counseling thread?
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Post by Cindy on Jun 17, 2015 11:38:21 GMT -5
Thank you so very much Cindy! I always love you wonderful additional information i.e. the info about where the Holy Kiss would be given, and the culture etc. But what was moving to my heart was that many of them had been thrown out of their homes, and the affectionate kiss from their Christian brother and/or sister might be the only love shown to them in a long perhaps lonely while.
I wasn't quite done...I am not a good guesser but maybe another 100 to go.
However I finished it now.
Here is the last little bit:
Actually we are to be on guard for those who spread false gospel and/or doctrine. One ( out of many character flaws) is to seek to fill their own appetites. If a smooth talker is also at ease in accepting gifts, this is a clue they are not 'servants' of Christ. For example, I recently read of some religious leader accepting a fancy jet.
Once again it is knowing the Word of God that can protect us, because like Satan ( who can cite scripture) they will pick and choose specific scriptures to deceive the inexperienced baby Christian, the trusting and naive. However, the more you know of God's complete word, you will be able to detect, recognize, and spot the chicanery, the subterfuge, and the dishonest trickery.
They like satan, are great wordsmiths, often having an elegant style, which they use to tickle human nature of pride and vanity.
If they offer, for example, to the weak, power, or promote being 'free', or suggest some sins are less than others (venial sins are not scriptural) and thus sooth and flatter men concerning God's mercy, saying God will wink at their sins....you can know to turn your back on such men and get in the Word!
Just to let you know
I see my GYN tomorrow
and...
it's our daughter's birthday ( the 18th).
Also, one of her best friends is visiting for 4 days.
Connie, Hossanah's friend will be taking our grandchildren with her back to Calif. ( to visit their dad)
I kind of wanted some counsel concerning Hossanah. Should I post in the counseling thread?
Yes, that's a good place for it. I don't think you've seen my reply to what you said earlier there unless it was recently....
after adding that to the first part you did, I added the words together and it came to 914, which is close, but hopefully next time you can do a bit more. Having your notes scattered like that I'm sure didn't help, lol. But that's what happens to pastors too!
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Post by fearnot on Jun 17, 2015 13:03:32 GMT -5
Oh I could have easily made 1000 LOL but I thought you had said there was no min. amount for this chapter? I must be 'reading' things ( You have heard people say they are 'hearing' things that were not said....as a joke? I really thought this chapter could have been only 2 or 3 hundred words if that was all we felt was needed. I think I really need this approx 2 months free of babysitting...but I am already missing them a lot! It's a very 'mixed bag'!!
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Post by Cindy on Jun 19, 2015 10:59:07 GMT -5
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Post by fearnot on Jun 19, 2015 18:52:44 GMT -5
When will you decide what new book we will study? I don't want to miss it. Should I just check back here each day?
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Post by Cindy on Jun 20, 2015 8:33:56 GMT -5
We're not going to do a book, instead I'm going to skip around. Your next chapter will be Ephesians 1 and the directions are the same as I gave you for Romans 15: pretend you're a pastor and that you have to prepare a sermon on Ephesians 1. The finished product should be more then 1000 words. (the 1000 words is the minimum; there is no maximum) ok?
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Post by fearnot on Jun 20, 2015 11:06:26 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 22, 2015 15:00:08 GMT -5
Not counting your last sentence this is 572 words. Not very long at all hon. This is good but there are a few things I want to make sure you understand. I put the parts I'm commenting on in your post in bold. First, Jesus did not fulfill every prophecy made of Him in the Old Testament. There are many prophecies in the Old Testament about His Second Coming and He has not fulfilled those yet. So what He fulfilled were all the prophecies of His first coming. The reason the Old Testament is not clear about there being two different times He would come is because it all depended on whether or not Israel would accept Him as their Messiah. If they had, there would have only been one coming. Because they didn't, there will be two.
Ok the above is clearYou also forgot about the hint I gave you about Romans 15:14, like Barbara did. See my reply to her to see why it is important.
I will and I will answer on this Have you read what Barbara wrote about this chapter? Did you read it before you wrote this?
No, I first wanted to see what I can get without help, but I believe that it is the language barrier also that makes it difficult to be more detailed I don't think you understand what I'm asking you to do. Either that, or you are not getting very much out of what you are reading, which says to me that you are simply reading it and not studying it. What other resources did you use to help you when you studied this chapter? I told you that you could use any that you could find. If you were a pastor giving a sermon about Romans 15, don't you think that you would have studied that chapter as hard as you could and looked up everything you could find about it, and talked to the Lord about it a lot before you gave your sermon? That is what I asked you to do. Honestly, writing 1000 words after doing all of that, is very little. Normally people would write a LOT more then that. If you really did study it as hard as you know how to, and looked it up on line or read other sermons or commentaries about it, read what Barbara wrote, or spoke to others, even your pastor about it, and prayed about it, then you did well and will get better with time. Only you and the Lord can know that for sure. Before you go any further though, I would like to hear your reply to this. Read more: fresh-hope.com/thread/16/bible-study-chat-romans?page=4#ixzz3dp2VrI9T |
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 22, 2015 15:07:49 GMT -5
Please lets make it a little more easier if that's possible.
I don't want to be behind
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 22, 2015 15:26:49 GMT -5
I read Barbaras answer. I don't think there was something I didn't understand, except of the hint, but there is no way I could have written tho like this, like a sermon
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Hon, you've got to stop assuming that you're the one that made the mistake 
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