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Post by fearnot on May 12, 2022 11:43:45 GMT -5
I will look at the questions:
How can parents sins affect their children?
How do the current sins of grandparents
affect their children and grandchildren?
I think the place to start may be with the very first parents,
and their sin and how it affected their immediate family.
But in fact, the first parent's sin affects,
every child born into the world, right up to this very day.
In Genesis chapter 3, Adam and Eve sinned,
that sin affected the whole human race in two critical ways:
Sin, itself, was passed on to all humans that would ever live,
and secondly, death for everyone came into the world of mankind .
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world,
and death through sin,
and so death spread to all men, because all sinned
Romans 5:12
So right from the very start, the sin of the parents,
had major consequences on all the children to come throughout history.
However, it additionally had a sad affect on Adam and Eve's immediate children.
They had two boys, Cain and Able.
Adam's sin brought death into the world,
and so I think, on some level, death itself may have had an affect on Cain,
who murdered his brother Able.
Adam and Eve listened to the devil,
and therefore were not righteous in their choice.
When parents sin, children often justify their parents sin as okay.
Not only do they often justify the parents sin,
they often do worse,
and go way beyond the parents sin.
( and feel justified).
The devil was free to continue to entice people to sin.
By this the children of God
and the children of the devil are obvious:
anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God,
nor the one who does not love his brother
I will next look at how the sin of Abraham,
affected Isaac, and Jacob.
Abraham out of fear, chose deception,
better known as a lie
( okay so one could say, it was a 1/2 lie,
but really its the intent to deceive out of rear, therefore I would say it was a lie).
11 It came about when he came near to Egypt, that he said to Sarai his wife,
“See now, I know that you are a beautiful woman;
12 and when the Egyptians see you, they will say,
‘This is his wife’; and they will kill me, but they will let you live.
13 Please say that you are my sister so that it may go well with me because of you,
and that I may live on account of you.”
Genesis 12:11-13
I have noticed already,
the pattern of leaving God out of decisions.
Neither Adam or Eve, consulted the Lord,
nor did Abraham in this instance.
Additionally, sin has a way of growing,
This sin of Abraham, was not the one and only time,
he chose to lie.
Sin can become a habit quick as a wink.
I will look at how this sin of lying affected
Abraham's children and grandchildren, next post.
But oh by the way,
this propensity to lie
happened with Cain,
when God asked Cain,
where is your brother Able
and Cain lies
( he knew perfectly well,
where his brother was!)
Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?
” And he said, “I do not know.
Am I my brother’s keeper?”
Genesis 4:9
Notice, Cain even makes a lame attempt
to in a way, justify his sin,
by asking if he was his brother's keeper.
Of course, this goes all the way back to Adam and Eve
trying to deflect and deceive God, concerning their sin.
They began with the 'victim' attitude,
and the game of
Pass the buck....
it's someone else's fault!
9 Then the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?”
10 He said, “I heard the sound of You in the garden,
and I was afraid because I was naked;
so I hid myself.”
11 And He said, “Who told you that you were naked?
Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?”
12 The man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me,
she gave me from the tree, and I ate.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman,
“What is this you have done?” And the woman said,
“The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
Adam even accuses God by saying:
The woman you gave me.
Wow!
So this sin of lying,
which may begin out of fear,
but soon can be a habit,
and a way of life...
affects almost everyone.
Done for Today.
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Post by Cindy on May 13, 2022 10:30:36 GMT -5
Excellent! I really like how you've done this one!
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Post by fearnot on May 13, 2022 11:03:21 GMT -5
Thank you muchly...good thing I chose one of your suggestions :) :)
Now if I don't mess it up!
That reminds me to pray today about it :)
I need to ask that God gets the glory,
but if I make a mistake, it's on me....
but then,
that's why I have you as my friend and sister in Jesus!
( and to help correct or do better...)
see you have already have made good progress with me :)
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Post by fearnot on May 13, 2022 11:56:26 GMT -5
I will continue to follow the sin trail, we can easily read in scripture,
of how parents sin has or can have,
devastating affect on children, grandchildren,
and beyond.
We saw how Abraham succumbed to lying out of fear
and lack of faith in God.
So Abraham and Sarah's son,
Issac,also caved,
and chose to use the same ploy of lying,
out of fear.
When the men of the place asked about his wife, he said,
“She is my sister,”
for he was afraid to say, “my wife,” thinking,
“the men of the place might kill me on account of Rebekah,
for she is beautiful.
Genesis 26:7
It should be noted, the lies these men ( Abraham and Isaac) told,
could have encouraged other men, to take their wives
and have sex with the wives ( not knowing the woman were married)
and thus, the men would be committing adultery (among other things).
So not only does sin affect children, it can of course affect non family members.
9 Then Abimelech called Isaac and said,
“Behold, certainly she is your wife!
How then did you say, ‘She is my sister’?”
And Isaac said to him,
“Because I said, ‘I might die on account of her.’”
10 Abimelech said, “What is this you have done to us?
One of the people might easily have lain with your wife,
and you would have brought guilt upon us.”
Genesis 26:9,10
Back to the family.
Rebekah and Isaac had a son Jacob.
As we will see, sin is not easily banished!
Rebekah and Jacob decide to deceive and lie to Isaac.
In all these cases, it seems no one really believes,
that God is able to do what He promised.
Everyone chooses to 'help' God,
or simply act independent of God.
The mother and son duo,
elect to take advantage of Isaac's inability to see:
Now it came about,
when Isaac was old and his eyes were too dim to see
that he called his older son Esau and said to him,
“My son.” And he said to him, “Here I am.”
Genesis 27:1
I would say, sin has now been 'upgraded' ( in a bad way),
in this instance,
because the issue at hand is not even a matter of fear of death...
but rather, it's about who will be blessed,
( Esau or Jacob).
Which, I think, makes the lie they concoct,
even more insidious and sinful, in a way.
Mother Rebekah, encourages Jacob to lie and deceive!
The idea is Jacob will pretend to be Esau ( Isaac's favorite).
I think it is amazing that Jacob says this to his mom.
Perhaps my father will feel me,
then I will be as a deceiver in his sight,
and I will bring upon myself a curse
and not a blessing.
Genesis 27:12
How far from understanding the sin of lying!
Instead, Jacob is essentially saying,
IF, I get caught, dad will 'think' I am trying to deceive him!
( otherwise known as lying to him).
Ummmm that would be because,
that is what you are doing!
And Jacob instead of being worried about the lie,
he is concerned about not 'getting',
a blessing out of the deal ( the lie).
Oh but don't think the sin stops here,
it is going to continue!
I will look at more children to come,
and more sin and lies to follow.
Done for today
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Post by Cindy on May 16, 2022 10:54:28 GMT -5
 These are very good!
Something you said reminded me of something else... The phrase that the lie wasn't even a matter of fear of death, is what caught my eye. I often have heard other Christians say that it would not be a sin to lie if their life was in danger. Yet here we have two men who because they thought their life was in danger, they lied, and God shows us very plainly that it was in fact a sin. Now if someone who was saved recently and so hadn't yet hadn't had time to read and study their Bible very much; what if their life was threatened and they lied to protect themselves. Would that be a sin? Of course it would be! This is another fallacy that some folks believe. If something is a sin, it's always a sin, regardless of whether or not the person is aware of it.
God deals with this in the OT when He gave Israel His laws about dealing with sin. He taught them that when something like this happens, it's an "unintentional sin". In other words, the person wasn't aware it was a sin. They didn't go out and plan to sin against the Lord. However, they did still sin and therefore had to make a sacrifice for their sin.
But I've heard people say it wouldn't be a sin if you lied to save yourself from being shot or to save a child from being killed. But that's just an example of man trying to get out of trusting God and believing in God. God didn't say not to lie "except" in certain circumstances. In fact, there are a number of places where He shows us that lying won't protect us, only He can, and that lying is again...a sin.
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Post by fearnot on May 16, 2022 14:06:18 GMT -5
I agree.
It could be it is time...
God is calling you or me home.
On the other hand, If we lie to save our life,
we might also miss out, on seeing how God can save us.
( and that might bolster our faith to even higher heights).
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Post by fearnot on May 16, 2022 15:07:07 GMT -5
I left off noting, that Jacob deceived his father,
well, later on in his life,
the propensity to lying,
came home to roost...
Jacob's sons lie to him,
about his favorite younger son, Joseph:
29 Now Reuben returned to the pit,
and behold, Joseph was not in the pit;
so he tore his garments.
30 He returned to his brothers and said,
“The boy is not there; as for me, where am I to go?”
31 So they took Joseph’s tunic,
and slaughtered a male goat and dipped the tunic in the blood;
32 and they sent the varicolored tunic and brought it to their father and said,
“We found this; please examine it to see whether it is your son’s tunic or not.”
33 Then he examined it and said,
“It is my son’s tunic.
A wild beast has devoured him; Joseph has surely been torn to pieces!”
Genesis 37:29-33
The sin of lying just kept growing, deepening,
and being passed on to the next generation.
Sins do affect children, they watch us,
and if we seem to tolerate some 'little' sins,
they almost always will tolerate it, also, and to a greater degree.
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked;
for whatever a man sows,
this he will also reap.
Galatians 6:7
Speaking of children noticing our sins,
Here is another example in scripture:
After Noah got off the ark, he got drunk,
and took off all his clothes and Ham
, one of Noah's 3 sons, 'noticed'.
20 Then Noah began farming and planted a vineyard.
21 He drank of the wine and became drunk,
and uncovered himself inside his tent.
22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father,
and told his two brothers outside.
23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment
and laid it upon both their shoulders and walked backward
and covered the nakedness of their father;
and their faces were turned away, so that they did not see their father’s nakedness.
24 When Noah awoke from his wine, he knew what his youngest son had done to him.
25 So he said,
“Cursed be Canaan;
A servant of servants
He shall be to his brothers.”
Genesis 9:20-25
This sin of Noah, ended up with Canaan being cursed.
We saw that Adam didn't do his job, of being a protector to Eve,
but rather listened to her and sinned,
and sin was passed on to every human being that has ever lived..
Another man in scripture, who also listened to his wife
and sinned,
was Abraham, who sinned with Hagar.
His sin produced a child,
( and future grandchildren from that union),
that hate the Jews ( their 1/2 brothers):
to this very day!
18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him by the hand,
for I will make a great nation of him.”
Genesis 21:18
And this sin, of hatred, between Isaac ( the Jews)
and Ishmael's ( Arabs/Muslim's) offspring.
has grown and grown, ending in killings,
and murders, almost on a daily basis.
The bitterness and hatred began here I think...
after Abraham sinned.
So Abraham rose early in the morning
and took bread and a skin of water
and gave them to Hagar, putting them on her shoulder,
and gave her the boy, and sent her away.
And she departed and wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba
Genesis 21:14
Done for today.
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Post by Cindy on May 17, 2022 10:55:20 GMT -5
I agree.
It could be it is time...
God is calling you or me home.
On the other hand, If we lie to save our life,
we might also miss out, on seeing how God can save us.
( and that might bolster our faith to even higher heights).
Your post about how sin affect our children was very good though!
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Post by fearnot on May 17, 2022 11:23:14 GMT -5
I was referring to why it was not okay to lie in order to save yourself from death.
I agreed with you, that it was NOT okay to lie, in order to save our life.
I was thinking, that instead,
we might realize,
rather than lying, in order to stay alive....
perhaps God is calling us home?
Actually to go and be with Jesus, is far better,
than anything in this life.
Or,
maybe, if we did not lie,
we might see God provide,
a surprising way for us to live
( something we would not have thought possible)....
and we could give Him the glory.
but, if we lied and saved our lives, by lying,
we would not be able to see what God might do,
and would lose the opportunity to give Him the glory.
and of course, further..
if we lie to save our lives,
we are committing a 'sin' of lying, knowingly.
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Post by Cindy on May 18, 2022 7:29:21 GMT -5
 I understand now. I'm sorry, I think my brain is on vacation! Looking forward to reading your next one!
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Post by fearnot on May 19, 2022 15:55:28 GMT -5
Today I will look at Lot and his sins,
and how it affect his 2 daughters.
Lot was the nephew of Abraham, and he started out,
going with his uncle.
But soon, Lot was enticed by the pleasures of the world,
and because of strife between their shepherds,
Lot, instead of staying with his godly uncle,
( and working out the problems),
he chose to move in with the wicked and ungodly
in Sodom.
10 Lot lifted up his eyes and saw all the valley of the Jordan,
that it was well watered everywhere—
this was before the Lord destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah—
like the garden of the Lord, like the land of Egypt as you go to Zoar.
11 So Lot chose for himself all the valley of the Jordan,
and Lot journeyed eastward.
Thus they separated from each other.
12 Abram settled in the land of Canaan,
while Lot settled in the cities of the valley,
and moved his tents as far as Sodom.
13 Now the men of Sodom were wicked exceedingly
and sinners against the Lord.
Genesis 13: 10-13
However, Lot did not just move near the wicked of Sodom....
But he gets very involved, becoming a judge there.
Now the two angels came to Sodom
in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom....
Genesis 19:1
Living in Sodom produced a lot of trouble for Lot!
At one point Abraham had to rescue Lot from a conflict,
however it was not just Lot,
but his family, and his possessions.
The warring faction that won:
11 Then they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah
and all their food supply, and departed.
12 They also took Lot, Abram’s nephew,
and his possessions and departed, for he was living in Sodom.
Genesis 14:11,12
You might have thought, after that harrowing experience,
Lot would have left Sodom, but he did not.
And you have to wonder, what his behavior,
said to his girls ,about sticking in an evil and pagan environment,
because of the earthly comforts it provided.
It seems Lot had somehow adjusted to the wicked lifestyles of the population.
You could say he showed great reluctance to leave all the material comforts
of Sodom, and compromised and he turned a blind eye to the evil life styles.
He does not seem to have been a good witness to the folks of Sodom
( nor his children).
Instead, he lived a life of trying to be as close to evil, hoping not to get tainted.
However, children see the choices their parents make,
and the children, often push beyond the parents limits.
So I think, Lot's two girls were sadly, greatly affected.
Nor was Lots problems of living in this wicked city over!
Worse was coming!
God in His kindness, sends two angels to rescue Lot and his family,
from a coming total destruction.
And the Lord said,
“The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great,
and their sin is exceedingly grave.
Genesis 18:20
Well, the men of Sodom, wanted to have sexual relations with the angels,
but Lot's solution was to instead offer them his two daughters!
I would think, that had to cut deeply the hearts of his daughters.
The angels were able to rescue Lot, his wife, and daughters
( tho what happens to their mother's death is another story).
Sodom is completely destroyed,
and the daughters fear they will never find husbands,
so they concoct their own solution:
to get their father drunk, and have sex with him,
in order to get children.
I think, that being brought up in such a completely wicked, depraved society,
( not to mention their very own father offering them up to the men of the city)
had a major influence on their decision.
( not that it can be excused on any level...sin is sin).
Lot made all sorts of compromises concerning sin,
and so, these daughters did even worse.
As a result his daughter.s children ( Lot's grandchildren),
became the Ammorites and the Moabites,
and became enemies of God, and a cursed people.
Done for today
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Post by Cindy on May 20, 2022 10:27:00 GMT -5
![]() Good one! I had to go read that part of the story again, because I've heard a lot of people say or imply that it was Lot's fault that he moved away from his Uncle. I was actually surprised when I read it again to discover that it was Abram that suggested they part ways. Interesting that Abram offered Lot to take his choice of the land that the Lord had said would all belong to him. That really showed Abram's righteousness because most people would have clung to the land they felt rightfully belonged to them; and Abram had been given all that land not just a part of it. MacArthur suggests that this may have restored Abram's reputation in the eyes of his servants since he'd basically been evicted from Egypt because of his lie.
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Post by fearnot on May 20, 2022 11:02:00 GMT -5
Aha! You are right, :) it WAS Abraham who made the suggestion to split up,
but then,
it WAS Lot's decision to move to Sodom.
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Post by fearnot on May 20, 2022 13:08:41 GMT -5
Not to be picking on Eli,
because I think all of us to some lesser or greater extent,
fail what God commands in this verse.
Train up a child in the way he should go,
Even when he is old he will not depart from it.
Proverbs 22:6
However, Eli is a good example of not following God's way.
Eli sinned, in not raising his boys, the way God commanded,
and the consequences were grave.
Now the sons of Eli were worthless men;
they did not know the Lord
1 Samuel 2:12
I find it hard to understand, why his sons
did not know the Lord.
Didn't Eli talk to them about God?
Perhaps Eli did, but without discipline,
they apparently did not believe.
I get that it can be hard to wrap our minds around the fact,
that what we think is being kind, and loving,
by not disciplining our children...
is often interpreted, by children as:
you don't care ( about them).
Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger,
but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
Ephesians 6:4
It seems Eli turned a blind eye to his sons sins,
and so they may have figured, why should they change?
It also may have been the impression that the boys,
saw this lack of restraining them,
as almost a tacit okay from Eli.
At least, that appears to me, to be how they viewed it.
The sons of Eli did many detestable things,
including:
Thus the sin of the young men was very great before the Lord,
for the men despised the offering of the Lord.
1 Samuel 2:17
And
22 Now Eli was very old;
and he heard all that his sons were doing to all Israel,
and how they lay with the women who served at the doorway of the tent of meeting.
1 Samuel 2::22
So finally, in his old age, Eli 'talks' to them.
( This is doing too little, Too late)!
23 He said to them, “Why do you do such things,
the evil things that I hear from all these people?
24 No, my sons; for the report is not good which I hear the Lord’s people circulating.
25 If one man sins against another, God will mediate for him;
but if a man sins against the Lord, who can intercede for him?”
But they would not listen to the voice of their father,
for the Lord desired to put them to death.
1 Samuel 2:23-25
Eli 'talks' to them, way to late in their life,
and he did not restrain them early on in their life,
so they waxed more and more evil,
until God kills them.
God says this to Eli:
34 This will be the sign to you
which will come concerning your two sons, Hophni and Phinehas:
on the same day both of them will die.
35 But I will raise up for Myself a faithful priest
who will do according to what is in My heart and in My soul;
and I will build him an enduring house,
and he will walk before My anointed always.
1 Samuel 2:34,35
I know it is so very hard at times, to discipline our children,
we hate to 'hurt' our children's feelings,
and we don't want them to be angry at us....
but to let them run wild, is clearly not to their benefit.
Further, it is disobeying God
( sinning) on our part,
and that sin, can have terrible consequences for our children.
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Post by fearnot on May 24, 2022 19:42:37 GMT -5
Eli was not the only lax father, so was king David.
David was not only lenient, but often an absentee father.
David also often neglected setting any kind of firm boundaries,
in his children's behavior.
David was called a man after God's heart,
but that does not mean he was sinless!
He set a bad example in many ways,
(that in time, came home to roost).
Perhaps David tried to keep those sins hidden?
In any case, that usually does not work:
Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper,
but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
Proverbs 28:13
His boys did not see David's sin of adultery, with Bathsheba,
2 It happened, late one afternoon,
when David arose from his couch
and was walking on the roof of the king's house,
that he saw from the roof a woman bathing;
and the woman was very beautiful.
3 And David sent and inquired about the woman.
And one said, “Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam,
the wife of Uriah the Hittite?”
4 So David sent messengers and took her,
and she came to him, and he lay with her.
2 Samuel 11:2-4
nor, did his sons see their father's setting up Bathsheba's husband,
Uriah's murder/death.
but I think, they may have heard the palace gossip concerning it.
Further David had other wives
( he should have had only one).
God forgave David, but God also imposed consequences:
10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from your house,
because you have despised me
and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.’
11 Thus says the Lord,
‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house.
And I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor,
and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.
2 Samuel 12:10,11
This proverb came true in large abundant doses:
The rod and reproof give wisdom,
but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother.
Proverbs 29:15
and
As I have seen, those who plow iniquity
and sow trouble reap the same.
Job 4:8
David did not seem to be much of a 'hands on', father...
perhaps, he told himself, as king, ( with a country to run),
he didn't really have time...to teach his children!
However, God said ( and still says this),
concerning the teaching of children:
7 You shall teach them diligently to your children,
and shall talk of them when you sit in your house,
and when you walk by the way,
and when you lie down,
and when you rise.
Deuteronomy 6:7
I will look a bit more at David next time.
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Post by Cindy on May 25, 2022 11:34:23 GMT -5
Good ones! Eli's boys were priests, as was Eli, as you know. Plus, Jewish children were taught to memorize a great deal of God's Word. (obviously they could only learn as much of His Word that they had at that time.) So I seriously doubt if they weren't taught what they needed to know. Instead, I suspect the problem was one that many people have. I suspect that Eli hated discord and hated to have to discipline his children, and most likely his wife did as well. They probably never thought about the eventual outcome, but lived day to day, and after a hard day, the last thing they wanted was to have to deal with kids that needed a good spanking. They preferred to simply not rock the boat. Eli could have even blamed his wife because he was gone at the temple a lot and most likely felt that it was her duty to raise the kids right. Anyway that's what I see in his weak reply to his adult boys, and in what the Lord said to him.
David was likely the very same way. He probably figured that raising the kids was the job of his wives, as he was busy either going to war, or ruling a nation. Most likely he had little time for his children. He probably only saw them when he wanted to show them off to others, or if he had a job he wanted them to do (after they were older.) Like with Eli's children though, I'm sure David's children were all taught as much of God's Word as they had then. Like with Eli's children, it just didn't penetrate their hearts.
I have to admit that I hated confrontation too and tended to do all I could to avoid it. Thankfully I realized what I was doing by the time some of my children started to reach their teen years and changed my ways. I still didn't like doing it, but I realized I had to for their sake. Then when I opened Fresh Hope, the Lord taught me even more about confronting people who weren't obey the rules. That was a big help to me, although at first I didn't like it or appreciate it.
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Post by fearnot on May 25, 2022 13:12:16 GMT -5
I was sadly like Eli and David, and am reaping the results.
My children ( as far as I know) have not done exactly like Eli or David's children
( murder and rape and whatnot),
but not respecting or turning to God is sin
( all sin is sin).
I still pray for them daily.
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Post by fearnot on May 25, 2022 14:08:16 GMT -5
David's lust and callousness concerning Bathsheba,
shows up in his son, Amnon.
Now Absalom, David's son,
had a beautiful sister,
whose name was Tamar.
And after a time Amnon, David's son, loved her.
2 Samuel 13:1
I don't know what the original word 'love' meaning was,
so 'maybe' he had a 'type' of 'love' for her....
but I think it was mixed with a heavy dose of lust.
She was his 1/2 sister, by the way.
It 'seems' that David did not have time to notice anything about the friends Amnon chose.
It's pretty clear, I think, David was very lax concerning his many children.
Anyway Amnon's crafty friend suggests a way to lie,
and thus be able to have Tamar.
Amnon had a friend, whose name was Jonadab, the son of Shimeah, David's brother.
And Jonadab was a very crafty man.
4 And he said to him, “O son of the king,
why are you so haggard morning after morning?
Will you not tell me?”
Amnon said to him, “I love Tamar, my brother Absalom's sister.”
5 Jonadab said to him,
“Lie down on your bed
and pretend to be ill.
2 Samuel 13:3-5
It ends up Amnon rapes her, and then,
his 'love' immediately turns to hate.
Her life is ruined forever, but he does not care.
However, David has another son,
Tammar's brother, Absalom,
who did care...
immensely!
21 When King David heard of all these things, he was very angry.
22 But Absalom spoke to Amnon neither good nor bad,
for Absalom hated Amnon,
because he had violated his sister Tamar.
2 Samuel 13:21,22
David was angry, but we don't hear of any consequence.
But in time, David's sin of setting up the murder of Bathsheba's husband,
Uriah, shows up, in Absalom setting up the murder of Amnon.
Two years go by before Absalom sets up his murder.
He has a feast for all the sons of David, and when Amnon was drunk,
Absalom had him murdered.
28 Then Absalom commanded his servants,
“Mark when Amnon's heart is merry with wine,
and when I say to you, ‘Strike Amnon,’ then kill him.
Do not fear;
have I not commanded you?
Be courageous and be valiant.”
29 So the servants of Absalom did to Amnon as Absalom had commanded.
Then all the king's sons arose, and each mounted his mule and fled.
2 Samuel 13:28,29
But that was not the end of the story!
Children, in general, often tend to do even worse that the parents sins.
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Post by Cindy on May 26, 2022 10:08:20 GMT -5
good ones!
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Post by fearnot on May 26, 2022 11:19:52 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy :)
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Post by fearnot on May 26, 2022 13:48:35 GMT -5
I ought to have mentioned that David's sin with Bathsheba,
and David's sinister attempts to hid his sin,
did not fool God.
In fact, the child from that adulterous union died.
After having Bathsheba's husband killed,
the prophet Nathan comes to David, and first tells David a parable,
which David thought was a true event.
However, Nathan let's David know,
that it was David who was the offending sinful man.
David does repent, and is forgiven
( he will not die from this sin),
however, the consequences of his sins,
are sadly tremendous!
Nathan gives David this word from God:
9 Why have you despised the word of the Lord by doing evil in His sight?
You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword,
have taken his wife to be your wife,
and have killed him with the sword of the sons of Ammon.
10 Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house,
because you have despised Me
and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.’
11 Thus says the Lord,
‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household;
I will even take your wives before your eyes
and give them to your companion,
and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight.
12 Indeed you did it secretly,
but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun.
2 Samuel 12:9-12
Indeed, all these things came true!
Four of David's sons died premature ugly tragic deaths.
David had abused the power given to him by God,
and sinned greatly against God, combine that with his lax, hands mostly off, way of raising his sons,
had major negative influences on them.
And so, we are back to Absalom.
After killing his brother and getting his revenge
for the rape of his sister, he plots to betray his father and in a coup d’état,
he hopes to overthrow his father and become king, himself.
(This ultimately fails and he dies).
Absalom sent spies throughout all the tribes of Israel, saying,
“As soon as you hear the sound of the trumpet,
then you shall say,
‘Absalom is king in Hebron.’
2 Samuel 15:10
And the prophecy about sleeping with David's
concubines also came true.
20 Then Absalom said to Ahithophel, “Give your advice. What shall we do?”
21 Ahithophel said to Absalom,
“Go in to your father’s concubines, whom he has left to keep the house;
then all Israel will hear that you have made yourself odious to your father.
The hands of all who are with you will also be strengthened.”
22 So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof,
and Absalom went in to his father’s concubines in the sight of all Israel.
2 Samuel 16:20-22
And Absalom's death
9 Now Absalom happened to meet the servants of David.
For Absalom was riding on his mule, and the mule went under the thick branches of a great oak.
And his head caught fast in the oak,
so he was left hanging between heaven and earth,
while the mule that was under him kept going.
14 Then Joab said, “I will not waste time here with you.”
So he took three spears in his hand
and thrust them through the heart of Absalom
while he was yet alive in the midst of the oak.
15 And ten young men who carried Joab’s armor gathered around
and struck Absalom and killed him.
2 Samuel 18:9,14,15
Two things (as kind of an aside):
Sometimes,, people think,
if I were only royalty, with lots of money,
life would be so wonderful and easy!
Even apart from all the sins of David and his sons,
being royal, does not change a sinner's heart.
The other thing is, it seems all of David's children
were extremely good looking and physically beautiful.
Again, many people wish to be beautiful, with the idea,
were we beautiful , so would life be, as a result.
It most certainly did not work out that way,
for this physically beautiful family of David!
A person could be THE most beautiful person that ever lived,
and still be a depraved, corrupt, nefarious, twisted, vicious sinner!
And still, this does not end how David's sin influenced his children.
I will look at one more son, next time.
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Post by Cindy on May 27, 2022 9:57:52 GMT -5
  Isn't it amazing that we can read about this and see their sins as terrible, but somehow, ours don't seem as bad when we are doing them? At least they didn't used to until we grew up in our faith...
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Post by fearnot on May 27, 2022 14:08:54 GMT -5
Not only that, but I actually believed, I was giving my children a 'step up'
( intellectually and academically),
by sending them to preschool,
('almost' as soon as they could walk...around 2, I think it was)!
But parents ( not some strangers) are supposed to raise up, and train their children.
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Post by Cindy on May 30, 2022 10:04:27 GMT -5
Yeah, and now days it's also college that is ruining the faith of many children who were raised in the faith. Bruce and I have been trying to talk both Elijah and Grace out of going to college for that very reason. Bruce has offered Elijah the idea of going to a trade school instead which I'm hoping he will agree to. Thankfully Jenn and Bob don't have the money to pay for college. But then Elijah already has more money than I've seen at one time in my whole adult life, and it's all from working at Duncan donuts and being paid $16 an hour! 
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Post by fearnot on May 30, 2022 10:40:24 GMT -5
I am beginning to see a pattern!
I am looking at King David's 4th son:
Adonijah
His father had never crossed him at any time by asking,
“Why have you done so?”
And he was also a very handsome man,
and he was born after Absalom.
1 Kings 1:6
King David, never crossed Adonijah
and
Adonijah was a very handsome!
I get the impression of a very spoiled,
petted, brat, who was super easy on the eyes!
And so, Like his older ( but now dead),
brother Absalom...
5 Now Adonijah the son of Haggith exalted himself, saying,
“I will be king.”
So he prepared for himself chariots
and horsemen with fifty men to run before him.
1 Kings 1:5
Adonijah, gathers an army together,
in an attempt to usurp the throne from King David,
his father.
However, King David, has his son, Solomon, anointed as King.
33 The king said to them,
“Take with you the servants of your lord,
and have my son Solomon ride on my own mule,
and bring him down to Gihon.
34 Let Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet anoint him there as king over Israel,
and blow the trumpet and say,
‘Long live King Solomon!’
35 Then you shall come up after him,
and he shall come and sit on my throne and be king in my place;
for I have appointed him to be ruler over Israel and Judah.”
1 Kings 1:33-35
Solomon offers mercy to his brother, however,
Adonijah continues with his crafty scheming, in an effort to become king,
and therefore, Solomon orders to have Adonijah executed.
So David's sins had some terrible influences on his children.
I did not sleep last night, and continue to fall asleep...
So...
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Post by Cindy on May 31, 2022 10:56:09 GMT -5
Good! I didn't sleep either; you're doing a lot better than I am lol. I've been going over something in my mind that I've noticed about people lately that's really kind of disconcerting... it has to do with people choosing to believe lies over truth and what that does to them. I don't mean choosing to believe a lie about God or His Word, but just a lie someone told them or that they made up themselves, generally about another person. Anyway I think I'll start writing about it in End times chat today.
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Post by fearnot on May 31, 2022 12:51:11 GMT -5
Thank you...and I already read it, it was great as usual :)
Looking forward to your next post on that subject
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Post by Cindy on Jun 1, 2022 10:22:22 GMT -5
Wow! You're fast!
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Post by fearnot on Jun 1, 2022 11:31:01 GMT -5
LOLOL I do believe that is the first time anyone told me that!
I like it! :)
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Post by fearnot on Jun 2, 2022 10:52:08 GMT -5
I guess it's pretty clear, the affect Manassah's sins, had on his children.
I am not sure how old they were before they died,
but first, here are some of the sins of their father:
1 Manasseh was twelve years old when he became king,
and he reigned fifty-five years in Jerusalem,
and his mother’s name was Hephzibah.
2 He did evil in the sight of the Lord,
according to the abominations of the nations whom the Lord dispossessed before the sons of Israel.
3 For he rebuilt the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed;
and he erected altars for Baal
and made an Asherah,
as Ahab king of Israel had done,
and worshiped all the host of heaven and served them
2 Kings 21:1-3
And how did this affect his children?
6 He made his son pass through the fire,
practiced witchcraft and used divination,
and dealt with mediums and spiritists.
He did much evil in the sight of the Lord provoking Him to anger.
2 Kings 21:6
Making his sons pass through the fire,
most likely, would have been sacrificing them to Molech.
31 You shall not behave thus toward the Lord your God,
for every abominable act which the Lord hates they have done for their gods;
for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
Deuteronomy 12:31
Also
20 “Moreover, you took your sons and daughters
whom you had borne to Me
and
sacrificed them to idols to be devoured.
Were your harlotries so small a matter?
Ezekiel 16:20
Plus
37 For they have committed adultery, and blood is on their hands.
Thus they have committed adultery with their idols
and even caused their sons,
whom they bore to Me,
to pass through the fire to them as food.
Ezekiel 23:37
( These verses remind me, of the fire babies today endure
when they are aborted)
In any case, Manassah had a wicked, evil corrupt, horrific influence on his children!
These poor children were born into a family,
in which the father was extremely wicked,
clearly this would have some affect on Manassah's children!
We see this in the son that succeeded him.
19 Amon was twenty-two years old when he became king,
and he reigned two years in Jerusalem;
and his mother’s name was Meshullemeth the daughter of Haruz of Jotbah.
20 He did evil in the sight of the Lord, as Manasseh his father had done.
21 For he walked in all the way that his father had walked,
and served the idols that his father had served and worshiped them.
22 So he forsook the Lord, the God of his fathers, and did not walk in the way of the Lord.
2 Kings 21:19-22
I think I can safely say, that Manassah did not carefully teach Amon
what God said,
hManassah ( and really all fathers) should teach his children:
1 “Now this is the commandment,
the statutes and the judgments which the Lord your God has commanded me to teach you,
that you might do them in the land where you are going over to possess it,
2 so that you and your son
and your grandson might fear the Lord your God,
to keep all His statutes and His commandments which I command you,
all the days of your life, and that your days may be prolonged.
Deuteronomy 6:1,2
Nor this:
4 “Hear, O Israel!
The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!
5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart
and with all your soul
and with all your might.
6 These words, which I am commanding you today,
shall be on your heart.
7 You shall teach them diligently to your sons
and shall talk of them when you sit in your house
and when you walk by the way
and when you lie down
and when you rise up.
Deuteronomy 6:4-7
Manassah totally ignored this warning of God
( as sadly, many have also ignored this warning, in our country, today):
25 When you become the father of children
and children’s children
and have remained long in the land,
and act corruptly,
and make an idol in the form of anything,
and do that which is evil in the sight of the Lord your God
so as to provoke Him to anger,
26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today,
that you will surely perish quickly from the land
where you are going over the Jordan to possess it.
You shall not live long on it, but will be utterly destroyed.
Deuteronomy 4:25,26
Manassah also did not do this:
4 Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger,
but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
Ephesians 6:4
Not only does a man and woman, reap what they have sown,
but likewise a culture, ( as we are witnessing the rapid decay of our culture).
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked;
for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap
Galatians 6:7
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I understand now. I'm sorry, I think my brain is on vacation! Looking forward to reading your next one! 
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