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Post by fearnot on Nov 4, 2021 10:41:28 GMT -5
That was excellent advice Cindy.
I do wonder about something tho.
When having an accountability partner, and confessing your sins,
isn't there a chance in the confessing, you might stir up some images, etc. that are now plaguing the friend.
I suppose one could say something like they watched porn, and now those images are stuck in their mind, without going thru the whole cesspool of every degrading image.
Which is why, I wonder if there are somethings best confessed to God, and at 'most' briefly confessed to another.
It does seem that sexual sins are at an all time high these days.
And the worst part is they are teaching it to the youngest children in schools....so if possible, it will actually get worse.
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Post by Cindy on Nov 5, 2021 11:30:53 GMT -5
That was excellent advice Cindy.
I do wonder about something tho.
When having an accountability partner, and confessing your sins,
isn't there a chance in the confessing, you might stir up some images, etc. that are now plaguing the friend.
I suppose one could say something like they watched porn, and now those images are stuck in their mind, without going thru the whole cesspool of every degrading image.
Which is why, I wonder if there are somethings best confessed to God, and at 'most' briefly confessed to another.
It does seem that sexual sins are at an all time high these days.
And the worst part is they are teaching it to the youngest children in schools....so if possible, it will actually get worse.
If some sins were better left just told to God, I would think that David's would qualify for that, since his included adultery and murder. But God shared them with Nathan and sent Nathan to help bring David to repentance and confess them. Looking at the issue of porn, how can simply saying, "I have a problem looking at porn" cause anyone to have nasty pictures in their mind? It can't cause any problems at all unless that person sits and literally tries hard to come up nasty, weird, sexual pictures in their own mind. If they do that, then THEY have a problem with porn that's probably worse then the one the person asking for prayer had! They should be the one asking for prayer for that! If you were to say, "I need prayer because I keep thinking about having sex outside of my marriage," it's not going to cause the other person to have the same problem.
An accountability partner is a great help. For example if you were to say, I found my old high school boy friend on facebook, just when chatting with your partner, they could then warn you not to befriend him or chat with him, and tell you that you should never chat with old "loves" in person or on line; not when you're married anyway. If you didn't have an accountability partner, you might wind up later calling a friend to ask them to, "please pray that God will strengthen me so I won't succumb to committing adultery with my old high school boy friend that I've been talking to on facebook.
In other words, accountability partners do not spend time dredging up sins to talk about, nor do they explain their sins, or explain "why" they did a specific sin or sins. They simply admit they've sinned in a specific way and go on to talk about how to avoid it in the future, and look up scriptures that will help, and then pray together that you will avoid that sin from then on. You'll want to avoid it even more because you'll know that if you don't avoid it you'll have to admit it to your partner.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 5, 2021 11:41:36 GMT -5
Thank you so much Cindy!
what? Wait!
I did revise or rather added to I think it was the 2nd original post....but I do not see it?
Ha! I went to my computer history and found it
I will re-re-post it here
and work on the 2nd half of it today:
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Moving on to Abraham
3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night and said to him,
“Behold, you are a dead man
because of the woman whom you have taken,
for she is a man's wife.”
4 Now Abimelech had not approached her. So he said,
“Lord, will you kill an innocent people?
5 Did he not himself say to me, ‘She is my sister’?
And she herself said, ‘He is my brother.’
In the integrity of my heart and the innocence of my hands I have done this.”
6 Then God said to him in the dream,
“Yes, I know that you have done this in the integrity of your heart,
and it was I who kept you from sinning against me.
Therefore I did not let you touch her.
7 Now then, return the man's wife, for he is a prophet,
so that he will pray for you, and you shall live.
But if you do not return her,
know that you shall surely die, you and all who are yours.”
Genesis 20:3-7
These were sort of 1/2 lies,
but would have had dire results.
In this case, because of Abraham's fear, of Abimelech,
he told a 'truth' ( Sarah was his 1/2 sister)
but in order to imply they were not married ( which was not true).
However, this deception could have caused some severe violations,
culturally,
and sins against God.
Not to mention, Abraham was trying to protect his life,
but not really protecting Sarah.
Plus, Abraham was not fully trusting God.
This does not mean Abraham was not a believer,
but he had up and downs, doubts, and fears.
But we can see how this could have gone very wrong,
and it seems this lying to get out of trouble got passed on to his children.
Because later on Isaac tells some men out of fear,
that his wife Rebekah, is his sister.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 5, 2021 12:20:16 GMT -5
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We may wish our sins, do not affect our family
but look at Achan"
10 The Lord said to Joshua, “Get up! Why have you fallen on your face?
11 Israel has sinned; they have transgressed my covenant that I commanded them;
they have taken some of the devoted things;
they have stolen
and lied
and put them among their own belongings.
12 Therefore the people of Israel cannot stand before their enemies.
They turn their backs before their enemies,
because they have become devoted for destruction
20 And Achan answered Joshua,
“Truly I have sinned against the Lord God of Israel,
and this is what I did:
21 when I saw among the spoil a beautiful cloak from Shinar,
and 200 shekels of silver, and a bar of gold weighing 50 shekels,
then I coveted them and took them.
And see, they are hidden in the earth inside my tent,
with the silver underneath.”
24 And Joshua and all Israel with him took Achan
the son of Zerah,
and the silver and the cloak and the bar of gold,
and his sons and daughters
and his oxen and donkeys and sheep
and his tent and all that he had.
25 And Joshua said, “Why did you bring trouble on us?
The Lord brings trouble on you today.”
And all Israel stoned him with stones.
They burned them with fire and stoned them with stones.
Joshua 7:10-12,20-21,24-25
At first reading we might wonder why did Achan's family have to die.
But with a closer reading we can see that at least some of his family shared in his sin, aiding and abetting him
by not giving information etc.
11 Israel has sinned; they have transgressed my covenant that I commanded them;
they have taken some of the devoted things;
they have stolen
and lied
and put them among their own belongings.
Joshua 7:11
Some of his family tried to shelter or protect him,
and deceptively withheld important information.
Better know as aiding and abetting.
it seems his values may have already been passed down to his family:
Whoever is greedy for unjust gain troubles his own household,
but he who hates bribes will live
Proverbs 15:27
Also earlier on, God had said this:
18 But you, keep yourselves from the things devoted to destruction,
lest when you have devoted them
you take any of the devoted things
and make the camp of Israel a thing for destruction and bring trouble upon it.
Joshua 6:18
A few sparkling baubles of the world,
incited such greedy lust, to rebel against God.
Did Achan not believe or trust God when God said those things were accursed?
Instead, Achan brought these cursed items to his tent.
Furthermore, people often do suffer as a result of someone else's sin, which ought to
make us all the more careful. Perhaps if some of Achan's children were below the age of accountability, they did not suffer and go to hell, but their lives were ended abruptly as a result of their father's sin.
And actually,Achan's theft of these cursed items would have condemned all of Israel,
but God limited the punishment to Achan and his family and all his possessions.
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Post by Cindy on Nov 8, 2021 10:05:45 GMT -5
Those are good examples. Don't forget to check the NT for examples of this subject too.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 8, 2021 11:27:11 GMT -5
Good point! :)
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Post by fearnot on Nov 8, 2021 12:38:45 GMT -5
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I am only starting to look for examples in the New Testament,
but not finding ( so far) a lot of examples.
This verse, I will post below....
t seems to point to the fact,
children (in general) tend to imitate their parents,
and often push the boundaries of their parents sin even farther,
and find ways to justify it.
knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold
from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers
1 Peter 1:18
So far, I am finding more examples of when parents are godly,
having an effect on the children...like:
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife,
and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband;
for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy
1 Corinthians 7:14
And
9 And, so to speak, through Abraham
even Levi, who received tithes, paid tithes,
10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.
Hebrews 7:9,10
Also:
For I am mindful of the sincere faith within you,
which first dwelt in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice,
and I am sure that it is in you as well.
2 Timothy 1:5
And then there is this:
1 As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth.
2 And His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents,
that he would be born blind?”
3 Jesus answered, “It was neither that this man sinned,
nor his parents;
but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
John 9:1-3
So far, I am not finding any.....maybe you need to step in and help me :)
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Post by Cindy on Nov 9, 2021 12:48:51 GMT -5
Think about who sinned in the NT. Paul wrote about some and you'll find some in Acts too. Like Ananias and Sapphira, Paul himself sinned before Jesus revealed Himself to him, Peter sinned, a number of the other disciples sinned, etc.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 9, 2021 13:16:45 GMT -5
But where I was stuck is how it would have effected their children or grandchildren......
But I will work with those, because I guess, even if there is not a direct child who was effected, in a way, it was written for all of us.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 9, 2021 13:48:13 GMT -5
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Some of the sinners and their sins, in the New Testament,
were warnings for Christians today ( as well as their time....
well that is true for the old Testament also.)
But even if there is not a son or daughter mentioned,
we all as the family of God, struggle with all types of sins.
For example:
Ananias and Sapphira
They had a piece of property that they sold,
and pledged to give all the proceeds to the church,
but then decided to keep some for themselves
and yet to continue to look great, they lied,
and still claimed what they gave to the church was the full amount.
This was the result:
3 But Peter said,
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
and to keep back some of the price of the land?
4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own?
And after it was sold, was it not under your control?
Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart?
You have not lied to men but to God.”
5 And as he heard these words,
Ananias fell down and breathed his last;
and great fear came over all who heard of it.
Acts 5:3-5
And the same result happened to his wife.
God, himself, punished both Ananias and Sapphira,
by removing them from the church and from life.
Many Christians struggle with wanting to appear holy, generous, etc.
but because they also struggle with lack of faith,
might find themselves tempted to speak what they wish is only a little white lie....
But clearly that is not how God views it, this 'little white lie'
was worthy of death. And the people then as now, should see the seriousness
of lying.
Since I am not sure, if this is exactly what you were thinking,
I will be done for today
and pick this up again tomorrow.
Done for today
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Post by Cindy on Nov 10, 2021 10:36:09 GMT -5
But where I was stuck is how it would have effected their children or grandchildren......
But I will work with those, because I guess, even if there is not a direct child who was effected, in a way, it was written for all of us.
“For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.” (Romans 15:4)
“These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.” (1 Corinthians 10:11) I can think of 6 other scriptures that say this same thing, as I'm sure you can as well. And by reading what they did, we should be able to determine how that sin could have affected any children they had. After all, the sin nature is the same now as it was when Adam and Eve sinned. Nothing has changed in that way at all.
My words are in this color
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Some of the sinners and their sins, in the New Testament,
were warnings for Christians today ( as well as their time....
well that is true for the old Testament also.)
But even if there is not a son or daughter mentioned,
we all as the family of God, struggle with all types of sins.
For example:
Ananias and Sapphira
They had a piece of property that they sold,
and pledged to give all the proceeds to the church,
but then decided to keep some for themselves
and yet to continue to look great, they lied,
and still claimed what they gave to the church was the full amount.
This was the result:
3 But Peter said,
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
and to keep back some of the price of the land?
4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own?
And after it was sold, was it not under your control?
Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart?
You have not lied to men but to God.”
5 And as he heard these words,
Ananias fell down and breathed his last;
and great fear came over all who heard of it.
Acts 5:3-5
And the same result happened to his wife.
God, himself, punished both Ananias and Sapphira,
by removing them from the church and from life.
Many Christians struggle with wanting to appear holy, generous, etc.
but because they also struggle with lack of faith,
might find themselves tempted to speak what they wish is only a little white lie....
But clearly that is not how God views it, this 'little white lie'
was worthy of death. And the people then as now, should see the seriousness
of lying.
Since I am not sure, if this is exactly what you were thinking,
I will be done for today
and pick this up again tomorrow.
Done for today
No, some of the sinners weren't warnings for Christians today; ALL of the sins and ALL those who committed them are written about to teach those who are saved and reading God's Word in every generation.
What you wrote about Ananias and Sapphira is true, and it's well written. I would only add how their sin would affect any children or grandchildren they may have had. Let me show you what I mean:
Ananias and Sapphira both apparently thought that those people who gave large amounts of money to the apostles to be used for the Church, were like "super saints". In other words they still apparently thought like the Pharisees did. Jesus described them like this: ““Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi.’” (Matthew 23:5–7) It seems the problem was, they were also very much in love with money and what it could by. So they wanted to be seen and thought of the way the people who gave large amounts were, but at the same time, they also wanted to keep a tidy sum of money for themselves so they could still afford the nice things in life. Therefore when they sold their land, they only gave part of it to Peter, although they told him they gave it all. Their gift would have been praised and appreciated and they would have gotten the praise they so much wanted if they hadn't lied.
While it's possible this was the first time they ever did anything like this, it's more likely that this was a pattern for them. In fact, it's even quite possible their parents lied about things in order to make themselves appear to be more important than they were. Status was very important to most people in Israel in those days. Obviously, if their parents lied about things to gain status, it's then not surprising that they did the same thing. If they had any children, they would have been grown up when this happened, otherwise I'm sure what happened to the children would have been mentioned.
The Lord teaches us in His Word that sins don't just evaporate and go away after they're committed. Instead, they linger and affect others, who in turn affect still others, and on and on it goes. We're told that when a sin becomes a pattern in our life that it often will affect up to 4 generations before it can finally be erased, even if we're forgiven. “‘The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.’” (Numbers 14:18)
God in His mercy forgives sin, but He allows that sin to affect the life of the sinner. He doesn’t hold the children responsible for the sins of their parents, but children up to 4 generations later can suffer because of that sin. So it's very likely that any adult children Ananias and Sapphira had also lied in order to try to increase their status; as would their grandchildren and great grandchildren and so on, until the effect of that sin was finally wiped out once and for all. This is really no different then when Abraham sinned and later his son sinned and so on. (the only difference is the reason for they sinned.)
I can look back in my life and see how the sins of my grandparents and my parents have affected me; I can also see how my sins have affected my children and my grandchildren.
If we only could have believed God and obeyed everything His Word says, right from the start, just think of how much mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual pain we could avoid! That's what this study should get across to everyone.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 10, 2021 11:38:47 GMT -5
Yes, thank you. It does help.
And it's true, I am still slowly recovering....
Even tho I wasn't sure, I wrote what you were aiming at, I also was super tired by what little I did write.
So even if I had been assured I was on the right track, I could not have written any more, because I was too tired by then.
But slowly on, each day ( or most days) I am feeling a little better, for longer.
However, I am beginning to wonder, if I will even get back to where I was before getting sick?
I so so much agree with what you said!:
"If we only could have believed God
and obeyed everything His Word says,
right from the start,
just think of how much mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual pain we could avoid"!
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Post by fearnot on Nov 10, 2021 12:09:26 GMT -5
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The apostle Paul, had this to say about himself,
before he was saved:
even though I was formerly a blasphemer
and a persecutor
and a violent aggressor.
Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief
1 Timothy 1:13
I think many Pharisees looking up to Paul,
wanted to emulate his zeal, lack of pity or mercy and hatred of the Christians,
thinking they were all the more approved by God.
In Acts it says Paul ( also know as Saul):
"But Saul began ravaging the church,
entering house after house,
and dragging off men and women,
he would put them in prison".
Acts 8:3
His persecutions, and imprisonment of believers,
lead to many of their deaths.
So his sin of lack of mercy, compassion, not really knowing God etc etc.
not only effected those who looked up to him,
but was the means of killing others ( the followers of the Way....Christians).
But, I would add, the very fact,
that before the encounter with Jesus.....
Paul was this hateful man, persecuting God's loved ones,
adds to God's glory and power, to totally change such a person.
You might even say, Saul ( the heartless)
was totally killed,
and the new 'born again' person, was Paul.
But looking at how generations effect each other....
a hint of Paul's unconverted attitudes, might lay,
in part,
in his own father, when Paul says:
But perceiving that one group were Sadducees and the other Pharisees,
Paul began crying out in the Council,
“Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees;
I am on trial for the hope and resurrection of the dead!
Acts 23:6
it is not clear to me, how often or how much influence Paul
had on his nephew, but we do read of this:
But the son of Paul’s sister heard of their ambush,
and he came and entered the barracks and told Paul.
Acts 23:16
However, this does not seem to be a negative influence of Paul's sins
but perhaps rather of his conversion.
But speaking of Paul's sins before conversion and their often deadly influence,
this verse,
may point to Paul, and the death of Stephen:
58 When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”
Acts 7:58,59
Paul, like all humans, continued to struggle with sin in his life,
even after conversion, but the cold, heartless, man with little or no mercy,
was gone.
Sadly tho, that man's ( Saul) cruel zeal,
most likely
encouraged other Pharisees to be like he had been.
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Post by Cindy on Nov 11, 2021 11:37:54 GMT -5
Yes, thank you. It does help.
And it's true, I am still slowly recovering....
Even tho I wasn't sure, I wrote what you were aiming at, I also was super tired by what little I did write.
So even if I had been assured I was on the right track, I could not have written any more, because I was too tired by then.
But slowly on, each day ( or most days) I am feeling a little better, for longer.
However, I am beginning to wonder, if I will even get back to where I was before getting sick?
I so so much agree with what you said!:
"If we only could have believed God
and obeyed everything His Word says,
right from the start,
just think of how much mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual pain we could avoid"!
My words are in this color
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The apostle Paul, had this to say about himself,
before he was saved:
even though I was formerly a blasphemer
and a persecutor
and a violent aggressor.
Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief
1 Timothy 1:13
I think many Pharisees looking up to Paul,
wanted to emulate his zeal, lack of pity or mercy and hatred of the Christians,
thinking they were all the more approved by God.
In Acts it says Paul ( also know as Saul):
"But Saul began ravaging the church,
entering house after house,
and dragging off men and women,
he would put them in prison".
Acts 8:3
His persecutions, and imprisonment of believers,
lead to many of their deaths.
So his sin of lack of mercy, compassion, not really knowing God etc etc.
not only effected those who looked up to him,
but was the means of killing others ( the followers of the Way....Christians).
But, I would add, the very fact,
that before the encounter with Jesus.....
Paul was this hateful man, persecuting God's loved ones,
adds to God's glory and power, to totally change such a person.
You might even say, Saul ( the heartless)
was totally killed,
and the new 'born again' person, was Paul.
But looking at how generations effect each other....
a hint of Paul's unconverted attitudes, might lay,
in part,
in his own father, when Paul says:
But perceiving that one group were Sadducees and the other Pharisees,
Paul began crying out in the Council,
“Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees;
I am on trial for the hope and resurrection of the dead!
Acts 23:6
it is not clear to me, how often or how much influence Paul
had on his nephew, but we do read of this:
But the son of Paul’s sister heard of their ambush,
and he came and entered the barracks and told Paul.
Acts 23:16
However, this does not seem to be a negative influence of Paul's sins
but perhaps rather of his conversion.
But speaking of Paul's sins before conversion and their often deadly influence,
this verse,
may point to Paul, and the death of Stephen:
58 When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”
Acts 7:58,59
Paul, like all humans, continued to struggle with sin in his life,
even after conversion, but the cold, heartless, man with little or no mercy,
was gone.
Sadly tho, that man's ( Saul) cruel zeal,
most likely
encouraged other Pharisees to be like he had been.
Done for today
I also liked how you showed that before Paul met Jesus he was a very angry man that was capable of murder, and after meeting Jesus, that angry man was 100% gone and a new man who loved others was born in his place. It reminds me of what MacArthur says...that we do not have an old nature and a new nature that are fighting each other after we're saved. We only have a new nature, a nature that wants to be holy like Jesus. But old habits are hard to break, and our new nature starts out kind of like a baby. It needs to be taught from God's Word, so it can grow and be strong spiritually. That's why Paul says: “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17)
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Post by fearnot on Nov 11, 2021 12:06:57 GMT -5
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The apostle Peter was a true follower of Jesus,
but at the same time, he had sin in his life.
He seemed to me to be a man, often ruled by great passion,
and sometimes acted on his passion without thinking.
And that often lead to even what I consider violent behavior,
Like in this verse:
10 Simon Peter then, having a sword,
drew it and struck the high priest’s slave, and cut off his right ear;
and the slave’s name was Malchus.
John 18:10
As a kind of leader, Peter's actions might have wide influence
on a number of people.
Peter even took Lord Jesus aside to rebuke:
21 From that time Jesus began to show His disciples
that He must go to Jerusalem,
and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes,
and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.
22 Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying,
“God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You.”
23 But He turned and said to Peter,
“Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me;
for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.
Matthew 16:21-23
Imagine, being in a leadership role of the apostles,
and having Jesus say to you:
Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me
But, all sin is not only our personal sins,
but our sins are related to Satan
And sin itself, goes all the way back to the first sin,
in the Garden of Eden, by Adam and Eve.
It's almost like Peter had a habit
( as many people saved, and unsaved people have)
of arguing with God
Here is another example:
9 On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city,
Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray.
10 But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance;
11 and he *saw the sky opened up,
and an object like a great sheet coming down,
lowered by four corners to the ground,
12 and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals
and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air.
13 A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”
14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord,
for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.”
15 Again a voice came to him a second time,
“What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.”
16 This happened three times,
and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.
Acts 10:9-16
These verses have several layers of meaning,
but, as to Peter arguing with God
( in a way sounded to me, a bit prideful)
he not only argued once...
( even after, God corrected Peter and explained to Peter why
it would be okay)
Peter continued to argue 3 times about it!
Then, there is when the apostle Paul points out Peter as being a hypocrite:
11 But when Cephas came to Antioch,
I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James,
he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came,
he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof,
fearing the party of the circumcision.
13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy,
with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel,
I said to Cephas in the presence of all,
“If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews,
how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?
Galatians 2:11-14
Peter and some of the other disciples try to keep babies,
and children from Jesus:
13 And they were bringing children to Him so that He might touch them;
but the disciples rebuked them
Mark 10:13
I am not sure, if Peter and the others,
thought children were a bother to the Lord Jesus,
but we see this attitude about Children being a bother,
come down thru
society a lot,
Perhaps even more so,
in our culture today.
But Jesus said this to them:
14 But when Jesus saw this,
He was indignant and said to them,
“Permit the children to come to Me;
do not hinder them;
for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these
Mark 10:13,14
There are other sins of Peter,
( including denying Christ 3 times out of fear for his life).
However we cannot use Peter,
as an excuse for our own sins.
He was a true man of God,
and he did sin,
(as do all people,
as do Christians).
But Peter's sins, had grave consequences,
which have even trickled down to this very day.
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Post by Cindy on Nov 12, 2021 12:35:42 GMT -5
That's all well and true hon, but shows nothing at all about how his sins could affect his children. Peter was married (Mark 1:30; 1 Cor. 9:5) and very likely had a bunch of children although they aren't mentioned. However, some teachers, including MacArthur suggest that the child Jesus took in Mark 9:36–37 could well be Peter's. For this study we need to see how someone's sins affect their children, grandchildren or others.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 12, 2021 13:23:52 GMT -5
If the child was Peter's, I guess, he might not have been with the other disciples in not wanting the children to bother Jesus....I didn't think, it might have been one of his, and so as one of the leaders, it made sense to me, he would have been part of the disciples that did not want to bother Jesus with children. opps!
Well, on to how his sins may have affected his children and grandchildren.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 12, 2021 13:39:08 GMT -5
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Tho Peter was often brave, bold, impulsive, outspoken and blunt
( today we might say, he had no filter for his mouth)....
it also seems he was very fearful at times:
like when trying to walk on water to go to Jesus,
he became fearful, and started to sink,
also when he denied knowing Jesus 3 times,
(out of fear for his life).
I suspect, that fear, under great stress,
became an example to Peter's
children, that they may have also followed...
In part because they did not see an example
( at those times I mentioned above, and others instances)
of their dad ( Peter),
not having faith occasionally nor at times not trusting in God.
Therefore, I think the sin of fear,
might have affected most or even all of his offspring.
Another similar sin, was his tendency to rebuke
( even the Lord Jesus).
I imagine he rebuked his children and grandchildren,
and they most likely learned by example, to do the same.
He could be proud and boastful,
like when he claimed that,
he.....unlike the other disciples,
would never forsake the Jesus:
33 But Peter said to Him,
“Even though all may fall away because of You,
I will never fall away.”
Matthew 26:33
Pride and boasting, is an easy sin for children to imitate.
He also sometimes fell into the sin of hypocrisy, appeasement
( again perhaps out of fear) and even a bit of showing favoritism.
These too, were possible sins his children, might have adopted,
at times, in order to deal with the world.
Today, is a continual falling asleep day
so
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Post by Cindy on Nov 15, 2021 8:54:20 GMT -5
Good hon. Just so you know, you can still use examples from the OT if you want to. I have a feeling you'd be more comfortable doing that.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 15, 2021 12:55:23 GMT -5
Aha! Yes, I think you are right, because there usually are clearly named children ( in the Old Testament) and their sinful behaviors that imitated or followed their parent(s), often (always?)actually worse than the parent's original sin.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 15, 2021 13:15:13 GMT -5
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Eli, was a Jewish priest during the time of the judges.
But as a father, he was overly permissive....
and his two sons:
Hophni and Phineas as a result, came to believe
anything was okay for them to do
or as scripture says of them:
2 Eli’s sons were scoundrels;
they had no regard for the Lord.
1 Samuel 2:2
Their sins were apparently well known,
and by the time, Eli gives them a weak verbal rebuke,
it was too little, too late:
24 No, my sons; the report I hear spreading among the Lord’s people is not good.
25 If one person sins against another,
God may mediate for the offender;
but if anyone sins against the Lord, who will intercede for them?”
His sons, however,
did not listen to their father’s rebuke,
for it was the Lord’s will to put them to death.
1 Samuel 2:24,25
Then there is King David
David took another man's wife and had sex with her,
had the man murdered and married her.
His son, Amnom was a rapist ( turning David's sin of adultery,
into a worse sin)
12 “No, my brother!” she said to him. “Don’t force me!
Such a thing should not be done in Israel!
Don’t do this wicked thing.
13 What about me? Where could I get rid of my disgrace?
And what about you? You would be like one of the wicked fools in Israel.
Please speak to the king; he will not keep me from being married to you.”
14 But he refused to listen to her,
and since he was stronger than she,
he raped her.
2 Samuel 13:12-14
Another son Absalom slept with David's wives
David had slept with another man's wife, ( singular)
and now his son had sex with David's wives(plural)....
Something could be said about the fact that,
David should not have had multiple wives,
but that would be for a different study,
but just one verse about that:
17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself,
that his heart turn not away:
neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold
Deuteronomy 17:17
22 So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he slept with his father’s concubines in the sight of all Israel.
2 Samuel 16:22
But speaking of David and his multiple wives
his son Solomon greatly outdid that sin
in that he had 1000 wives/concubines:
3 He had 700 wives, who were princesses,
and 300 concubines.
And his wives turned away his heart
1 Kings 11:3
As God had said in Deuteronomy 17:17,
so it came to pass
in Solomon's life, his wives turned Solomon towards other gods.
4 For when Solomon was old
his wives turned away his heart after other gods,
and his heart was not wholly true to the Lord his God,
as was the heart of David his father.
1 Kings 11:4
Isaac seemed to favor his son Esau over Jacob.
28 Isaac loved Esau because he ate of his game,
but Rebekah loved Jacob.
Genesis 25:28
Then Jacob also plays favorites with his children,
and favors Joseph (Rachel’s child) .
Which causes all sorts of problems.
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Post by Cindy on Nov 16, 2021 10:22:13 GMT -5
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Eli, was a Jewish priest during the time of the judges.
But as a father, he was overly permissive....
and his two sons:
Hophni and Phineas as a result, came to believe
anything was okay for them to do
or as scripture says of them:
2 Eli’s sons were scoundrels;
they had no regard for the Lord.
1 Samuel 2:2
Their sins were apparently well known,
and by the time, Eli gives them a weak verbal rebuke,
it was too little, too late:
24 No, my sons; the report I hear spreading among the Lord’s people is not good.
25 If one person sins against another,
God may mediate for the offender;
but if anyone sins against the Lord, who will intercede for them?”
His sons, however,
did not listen to their father’s rebuke,
for it was the Lord’s will to put them to death.
1 Samuel 2:24,25
Then there is King David
David took another man's wife and had sex with her,
had the man murdered and married her.
His son, Amnom was a rapist ( turning David's sin of adultery,
into a worse sin)
12 “No, my brother!” she said to him. “Don’t force me!
Such a thing should not be done in Israel!
Don’t do this wicked thing.
13 What about me? Where could I get rid of my disgrace?
And what about you? You would be like one of the wicked fools in Israel.
Please speak to the king; he will not keep me from being married to you.”
14 But he refused to listen to her,
and since he was stronger than she,
he raped her.
2 Samuel 13:12-14
Another son Absalom slept with David's wives
David had slept with another man's wife, ( singular)
and now his son had sex with David's wives(plural)....
Something could be said about the fact that,
David should not have had multiple wives,
but that would be for a different study,
but just one verse about that:
17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself,
that his heart turn not away:
neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold
Deuteronomy 17:17
22 So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he slept with his father’s concubines in the sight of all Israel.
2 Samuel 16:22
But speaking of David and his multiple wives
his son Solomon greatly outdid that sin
in that he had 1000 wives/concubines:
3 He had 700 wives, who were princesses,
and 300 concubines.
And his wives turned away his heart
1 Kings 11:3
As God had said in Deuteronomy 17:17,
so it came to pass
in Solomon's life, his wives turned Solomon towards other gods.
4 For when Solomon was old
his wives turned away his heart after other gods,
and his heart was not wholly true to the Lord his God,
as was the heart of David his father.
1 Kings 11:4
Isaac seemed to favor his son Esau over Jacob.
28 Isaac loved Esau because he ate of his game,
but Rebekah loved Jacob.
Genesis 25:28
Then Jacob also plays favorites with his children,
and favors Joseph (Rachel’s child) .
Which causes all sorts of problems.
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Then you jump to David and his sin of adultery and showed how that sin did seem to affect his children, but you didn't even seem to notice that he too was a bad father. And again, there's a lot more that could be said about how his sin affected his children, because God tells us his punishment in 2 Samuel 12:10–14. And the rest of that story tells exactly how his children were affected by his sins. You showed some of it, but not all of it.
Next you go to Isaac and then to Jacob but you don't show anything at all about how their sin affected their children; you just say it caused all sorts of problems. We can't generalize things like that when it comes to scripture. We have to say what scripture says.
I hope you're starting to feel better.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 16, 2021 14:38:37 GMT -5
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Written yesterday:
Eli, was a Jewish priest during the time of the judges.
But as a father, he was overly permissive....
and his two sons:
Hophni and Phineas as a result, came to believe
anything was okay for them to do
or as scripture says of them:
2 Eli’s sons were scoundrels;
they had no regard for the Lord.
1 Samuel 2:2
Their sins were apparently well known,
and by the time, Eli gives them a weak verbal rebuke,
it was too little, too late:
24 No, my sons; the report I hear spreading among the Lord’s people is not good.
25 If one person sins against another,
God may mediate for the offender;
but if anyone sins against the Lord, who will intercede for them?”
His sons, however,
did not listen to their father’s rebuke,
for it was the Lord’s will to put them to death.
1 Samuel 2:24,25
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Eli was a bad father because he only tried to
'reason' with his sons....
This Father's disapproval without and discipline
was truly meaningless for these two sons....
and it was worse,
it was a spitting in God's face.
29 Why do you scorn my sacrifice
and offering that I prescribed for my dwelling?
Why do you honor your sons more than me
by fattening yourselves on the choice parts
of every offering made by my people Israel?’
1 Samuel 2:29
When Eli's sons needed to be rebuked
and
Eli should have enforced God's clear laws,
( that his sons were breaking),
he did not do that
nor decisively discipline them.
He should have disqualified sons.
I was ( and still am) personally guilty of Eli's failure.
I hide 'fear',
under the guise.... of a kind and tender heart.....
trying to convince myself, that will gain more ground ,
than confrontation.
But rather than being 'more loving'
it is close to almost a kind of hatred
because scripture ( God) says:
Whoever spares the rod hates their children,
but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them
Proverbs 13:24
Discipline your children,
for in that there is hope;
do not be a willing party to their death.
Proverbs 19:18
Punish them with the rod
and save them from death
Proverbs 23:14
However, it seems to me, Eli waited until until it
may have been too late
because of these sins:
22 Now Eli, who was very old,
heard about everything his sons were doing to all Israel
and how they slept with the women
who served at the entrance to the tent of meeting.
1 Samuel 2:22
They were greedy and...
This sin of the young men was very great in the Lord’s sight,
for they were treating the Lord’s offering with contempt
1 Samuel 2:17
Instead this defines them and their behavior in many ways:
A rod and a reprimand impart wisdom,
but a child left undisciplined disgraces its mother.
Proverbs 29:15
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Post by Cindy on Nov 17, 2021 10:47:44 GMT -5
Very good! I enjoyed reading that.
When you first started this, you wrote about Abraham lying about Sarah and I've wanted to say something about that ever since, only I kept forgetting to. This is more about what people think about sin today rather than about how sins affect others though, although it does show that Abraham's son, Isaac, sinned in exactly the same way and even in the same place that he did!.
Let me first post the scriptures I'm talking about: “So Isaac stayed in Gerar. When the men of that place asked him about his wife, he said, “She is my sister,” because he was afraid to say, “She is my wife.” He thought, “The men of this place might kill me on account of Rebekah, because she is beautiful.”” (Genesis 26:6–7) I know that we think of Abraham's sin as a half lie, but God doesn't think of it that way at all, nor does He consider Isaac's lie only partly a lie. Sometimes it's what we don't say that's the lie, and not what we say. Today I've heard people say that it's ok to lie when you're trying to save your life, but God says differently! That's exactly the reason both Isaac and Abraham told their lies, but God let them (and us) know that it is still a lie and still very much a sin!
I've had people tell me if a person was holding a gun to my head and all I had to do was lie and they'd let me go, God wouldn't expect me to tell the truth. However, none of the apostles thought that way, and neither did any of the early men, women AND children who became martyrs for Christ. They would rather die then simply tell a "little lie" and live. Every one of them could have come up with all kinds of excuses as to why it would be "ok" to lie in order to save their life or the life of their children, but instead, they trusted God and spoke only the truth as He tells us to. They've been greatly rewarded in Heaven for eternity because of it.
I think the problem today is at least two fold: first, they don't truly trust God and don't really seem to understand how much sin cost Him. Therefore they think some sins are "ok" when in fact, every sin nailed Jesus to that cross. Jesus bore all the pain and even death for every sin we are guilty of. Not only the ones in our past, but even those He knew we would commit after we were saved! Next, people seem to have way too much love for this life and act like this life is the one that matters, when in fact, it's our life after this body dies that's our "real" life and that's most important as it will last for eternity, either in Hell, or in Heaven.
If they truly loved the Lord and understood what our sins cost Him, and understood what eternity with Him means, and how little this life means except as a way to prepare for our next life, then they would realize that it's never ok to sin, no matter how little we may think it is; and therefore it's never ok to lie, even if you think it will save your life or the life of your child.
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Post by fearnot on Nov 17, 2021 11:12:02 GMT -5
Excellent, and so true! Thank you!
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Post by fearnot on Nov 17, 2021 13:52:28 GMT -5
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I can't remember if I covered this before,
but I was thinking of the first parents:
Adam and Eve.
They chose to disregard what God had clearly stated,
essentially believing God did not tell them the truth
and instead, decided to listen to Satan's lies,
and go with their own ideas.
There choice ( to believe the devil)
brought sin and death to everyone born thereafter...
and tho physical death was not immediate,
( but spiritual death was)
the affect for Cain and Able ( their first two children)
resulted in the first murder.
After sinning, Adam and Eve tried several ways to alleviate their guilt.
One thing they tried to do in order to cover their guilt, and sin,
(and in a way to atone for it )
was to,
(still based on their own thoughts and ideas was this):
7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened,
and they realized they were naked;
so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
Genesis 3:7
It is interesting they used plants, essentially non-living, earthly material,
to atone for and cover sin.
It seems clear, they did not ask God about how to go about this.
,Because God makes covers for them
(out of animal skins) that were symbolic spiritually.
21 The Lord God made garments of skin
for Adam and his wife and clothed them.
Genesis 3:21
God killed one or more animals symbolizing the seriousness and severity of sin,
and the need for blood to cover it....
Sin is so serious, in order to atone for it, a great sacrifice must be made...
blood and death)....
a sacrifice pointing towards the great sacrifice Jesus would make,
for those who believe in Him.
( to pay for our sins, he bled and died on the cross but rose again
.
Jesus's death by the way, ended the need for animals to ever die again,
because the symbolic pointing to Jesus was done.
For the life of a creature is in the blood,
and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar;
it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life
Leviticus 17:11
Clearly plants do not have blood, there is not great cost,
to pull up a plant.
God had already demonstrated the correct sacrifice He required.
However:
3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord.
4 And Abel also brought an offering—
fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock.
Genesis 4:3,4
It is to be noted, that Cain following in his parents original sin tendency,
In that he chose to ignore what God had already demonstrated as the correct offering
and he also imitated his parents sins,
by choosing 'plants' for the sacrifice.
But we can see, that Able believed God.
It would have cost Able a lot, in his heart,
to have slaughter one of his beloved sheep.
It did not cost Cain any pain to pull up a carrot ( or whatever).
Showing, Cain did not believe sin to be very bad at all.
And that was soon demonstrated,
when in a fit of jealous rage,
he killed/murdered his brother Able.
8 Now Cain said to his brother Abel,
“Let’s go out to the field.”
While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
Genesis 4:8
and I am thinking, this death, also imitated, in a way,
his parents bringing death into the world,
only, the death they brought was delayed,
but the death Cain brought into the world was immediate
And murder, killing and death, soon grew to more and more murders
( many many are in scripture,
and murders, killings etc. has increased, right up to this very day).
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Post by fearnot on Nov 18, 2021 12:56:42 GMT -5
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What I wrote previously:
Then there is King David
David took another man's wife and had sex with her,
had the man murdered and married her.
His son, Amnom was a rapist ( turning David's sin of adultery,
into a worse sin)
12 “No, my brother!” she said to him. “Don’t force me!
Such a thing should not be done in Israel!
Don’t do this wicked thing.
13 What about me? Where could I get rid of my disgrace?
And what about you? You would be like one of the wicked fools in Israel.
Please speak to the king; he will not keep me from being married to you.”
14 But he refused to listen to her,
and since he was stronger than she,
he raped her.
2 Samuel 13:12-14
Another son Absalom slept with David's wives
David had slept with another man's wife, ( singular)
and now his son had sex with David's wives(plural)....
Something could be said about the fact that,
David should not have had multiple wives,
but that would be for a different study,
but just one verse about that:
17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself,
that his heart turn not away:
neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold
Deuteronomy 17:17
22 So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he slept with his father’s concubines in the sight of all Israel.
2 Samuel 16:22
But speaking of David and his multiple wives
his son Solomon greatly outdid that sin
in that he had 1000 wives/concubines:
3 He had 700 wives, who were princesses,
and 300 concubines.
And his wives turned away his heart
1 Kings 11:3
As God had said in Deuteronomy 17:17,
so it came to pass
in Solomon's life, his wives turned Solomon towards other gods.
4 For when Solomon was old
his wives turned away his heart after other gods,
and his heart was not wholly true to the Lord his God,
as was the heart of David his father.
1 Kings 11:4
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One of David's besetting sins was lust,
we see that with Bathsheba, he already had 5 wives
and yet, stole another man's wife, due to his lust.
This lust ended up in a pregnancy.
He did not consider how this would affect his children,
this is not being a good father.
We see that the sin of lust
( like his father, David) was in his son Ammon,
who raped his sister.
In the course of time, Amnon son of David fell in love with Tamar,
the beautiful sister of Absalom son of David
2 Samuel 13:1
That 'love' turned out to be lust.
Then Amnon hated her with intense hatred. In fact, he hated her more than he had loved her. Amnon said to her, “Get up and get out!
2 Samuel 13:15
When David found out, like a good father he was angry,
but like a bad father he did nothing about.
21 When King David heard all this, he was furious.
2 Samuel 13:21
We do not read of David giving any type of discipline to Ammon.
However, another son, Absalom,
takes revenge that in some ways reminds me
of how David got rid of Bathsheba's husband.....
He set Uriah up to be killed.
Absalom invites Ammon to dinner and has his servants Kill Ammon.
28 Absalom ordered his men,
“Listen! When Amnon is in high spirits from drinking wine
and I say to you,
‘Strike Amnon down,’ then kill him.
Don’t be afraid.
Haven’t I given you this order? Be strong and brave.”
2 Samuel 13:28
This murder was also a sin, that David did nothing about
( not being a good father).
David was grieved for sure,
but no discipline mentioned
only this:
30 While they were on their way, the report came to David:
“Absalom has struck down all the king’s sons; not one of them is left.”
31 The king stood up,
tore his clothes and lay down on the ground;
and all his attendants stood by with their clothes torn
2 Samuel 13:30,31
So we see that David swept
rape and murder,
committed by his sons,
under the rug and as a bad father
gave no consequences at all.
So what is the affect on Absalom,
as a result of getting away with murder,
without any consequences from his father?
When he comes back
( he ran away for several years)
he rebels against David the King,
and sets himself up as king.
And to disrespect his father even more
he has sex with David's concubines on the roof of the palace.
But that is not all, Absalom determines to capture
and kill his father.
He has already had men murdered
and he has no respect for his father.....
so I suppose this is not so surprising.
Sin always grows and becomes worse.
I will add more to King David and his sons
tomorrow, and falling asleep.
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Post by Cindy on Nov 18, 2021 13:29:10 GMT -5
Those are both very good! I enjoyed reading them!
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Post by fearnot on Nov 19, 2021 13:03:19 GMT -5
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A bit more about David, as a bad father.
He had yet another son Adonijah,
who being the now oldest living son,
assumed he should be the king.
And so he too had a rebellious nature
Now Adonijah the son of Haggith
exalted himself, saying, “I will be king.”
1 Kings 1:5
And David's reaction?:
So he (Adonijah)
prepared for himself chariots and horsemen
with fifty men to run before him.
6 His father ( David the king)
had never crossed him at any time by asking,
“Why have you done so?”
And he was also a very handsome man, and he was born after Absalom.
1 Kings 1:6
It is kind of hard to understand why David would never confront
his children, not even to have a 'talk'.
He was bold and brave as a soldier, but irresponsible
and/or ignored his children...
it seems he was 'too busy' being king, fighting wars etc.
and the results were bad for the children.
King David just names Solomon King,
and Solomon eventually had Adonijah killed .
David had 8 wives ( we would call this polygamy today)
This was not and is not God's plan for marriage.
It is for one man and one woman only.
But those who do it will invariably have jealousies,
rivalries, infighting, sadness, pain, even murder as a result.
So, like Father, like son
Solomon out does his father,
and ends up with 1000 wives.
Which is absurd,
and made for what was surely,
an incredibly dysfunctional,
'family' (?),
to say the very least.
As you pointed out, here was some of the results of David being a weak father:
10 Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house,
because you have despised Me
and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.’
11 Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you
from your own household;
I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion,
and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight.
12 Indeed you did it secretly,
but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun.’”
13 Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”
And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has taken away your sin; you shall not die.
14 However, because by this deed
you have given occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme,
the child also that is born to you shall surely die.”
2 Samuel 12:10-14
I did notice scripture mentioned several times,
these sons were very good looking.
I am not quite sure what to make of that.
Was David somehow intimidated by his sons beauty,
did he favor them because of their good looks only?
I will rework or add to Isaac and Jacob tomorrow
Done for today
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Post by Cindy on Nov 22, 2021 9:37:17 GMT -5
Good one! No, I don't think the fact that the children were all good looking had anything at all to do with how David treated them. I think the Lord mentions it because they used the fact that they were "handsome" to fool the people and make the people think they were actually good when in fact they were evil. Plus, they knew that God Himself had appointed Solomon to be king when David died and so they were rebelling against the revealed will of God. Not a smart thing to do! I've looked up every scripture that mentions beauty and it seems the Lord wants us to know that the saying, "Beauty is as beauty does" is true. In other words, a person is only as beautiful as their words and actions make them. The ugliest person in the world can wind up being the most beautiful of all due to their words and actions. David's sons may have looked handsome but their words and actions were far from handsome and showed them for what they really were.
“Like a gold ring in a pig’s snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.” (Proverbs 11:22)
“Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting; but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised.” (Proverbs 31:30)
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