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Post by fearnot on May 21, 2016 20:47:52 GMT -5
Today Sat. May 21st I read Mark 9:14-29
Jesus Heals a Boy Possessed by an Impure Spirit
The thing about this miracle is that a lot of unbelievers would point out the seeming similarities between what the unclean spirit did to the boy and epilepsy.
However when it says it robbed him of his speech, I am not sure if its just temporary during the attack or if the boy was also mute?
In any case the disciples could not make the demon leave, which makes me think, there might be a difference between epilepsy and this demonic attack, because usually epilepsy last up to a few minutes, but some can go on 30 minutes or longer.
Since the disciples had been working on this for awhile before Jesus came, it seems for sure it was no ordinary seizure....and since God says it was an impure spirit,tho satan ( rather one of his demons) could have used this child who actually had epilepsy.
In any case Jesus does heal him but tells the disciples that this type, can only go out by prayer and fasting.
But one of my favorite verses is here:
"I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
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Post by evafromgreece on May 22, 2016 15:46:10 GMT -5
Hey guys ! Thank you for sending me this post about the "myth" theories. Unfortunatelly it is not available in Greek, and I didnt know how to search for it in google. I put some key words but didnt found any results even in gotquestions website, so that was really useful!!!
I studied Luke chapter 2. I want us to discuss about verses 34-35. Did Symeon was reffering also to the future, not only the near future, but about the events in Tribulation and after this?
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Post by fearnot on May 22, 2016 16:12:23 GMT -5
Today Sunday May 22nd
I read Mark 9:30-41
Jesus Predicts His Death a Second Time But again they do not understand what he is saying and were afraid to ask him about it.
I am pretty sure they understood what death was, but perhaps they either thought (having seen Jesus raise people from death) that he could not die, or if he did, no one could anyone raise him, thinking they could not ( so how could he be raised from the dead)? Plus they didn't see the value in his dying, I am guessing. Then the apostles saw a man driving out demons, but they stopped him, because he wasn't one of them.However Jesus tells them, whomever is not against us, is for us.
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Post by fearnot on May 23, 2016 22:05:36 GMT -5
Today Monday 23rd I read Mark 9:42-50
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Post by Cindy on May 24, 2016 11:35:57 GMT -5
I think I read it in several commentaries years back. I think part of the idea was that because God seems to interrupt Peter ( like maybe if it had been a good idea God might have said, well said???) Instead God tells Peter that Jesus is is Son and to listen to Him ( as Mosses and Elijah were representative of the law and the prophets?) and are not to be thought of on the same level as Jesus?
Also it seems like Peter/Mark give an 'excuse' for the fopaux, by saying they were all afraid. That could have meant nothing more than seeing 3 people in their glory was very frightening, ( it must have been), but it could also have been offered as a reason for the misjudgment of putting them all on the same level ( all in glory, all did miracles, etc.....instead of knowing Jesus was God.)
I am not convicted to this by the way, like I said, I was confused....it seemed like Peter wanted to do something nice and indeed that may have been all it was and the fact, God then spoke, did not tie into what Peter had said, at all.
Ok, I see what it is now...because he was confused it may give some people the idea that he was wrong to say it, but I can't imagine any commentary going so far as to say it was an insult to anyone, much less God. That's simply not at all true. Peter was mistaken, but not in a "bad" way.... he simply didn't know what to say or how to deal with what was happening right in front of him. He wasn't putting them all in the same "level" by his suggestion, he was simply offering to do a service for them all. As far as any level is concerned, the most that could be said about that is that he felt all three were superior to him, which is perfectly normal. I'd have thought so too. If it had happened to me instead of Peter, I'd have probably offered to get them all chairs or a cup of coffee! More importantly though, if what he'd said had been in anyway bad or wrong, the Lord would have said so. Jesus never had any problem telling people, including Peter, when they were viewing God in the wrong way, or viewing Him in the wrong way. The fact that Jesus did not tell him that what he said was wrong or bad, tells us that it was not bad or in any way an insult to anyone. That's something we're all commanded to do, to expose wickedness and sin, especially in regards to God, which is why Jesus always pointed it out as well. So because He didn't, we can know that what Peter said, wasn't bad. At most, it was inappropriate, just as it would be inappropriate for me to offer them all a cup of coffee if I'd been there. Not bad, just not the right time. So you were right in what you thought, in that Peter wanted to do something nice for them all. See what I mean? Thank you Cindy for all the info refuting all the so called 'myth' theories. Excellent! you're welcome...Today Sat. May 21st I read Mark 9:14-29
Jesus Heals a Boy Possessed by an Impure Spirit
The thing about this miracle is that a lot of unbelievers would point out the seeming similarities between what the unclean spirit did to the boy and epilepsy.
However when it says it robbed him of his speech, I am not sure if its just temporary during the attack or if the boy was also mute?
In any case the disciples could not make the demon leave, which makes me think, there might be a difference between epilepsy and this demonic attack, because usually epilepsy last up to a few minutes, but some can go on 30 minutes or longer.
Since the disciples had been working on this for awhile before Jesus came, it seems for sure it was no ordinary seizure....and since God says it was an impure spirit,tho satan ( rather one of his demons) could have used this child who actually had epilepsy.
In any case Jesus does heal him but tells the disciples that this type, can only go out by prayer and fasting.
But one of my favorite verses is here:
"I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!” I like that one too! Satan was really attacking the disciples big time. Jesus had 3 of them with him and they saw him transfigured, but while they were gone, Satan was attacking the disciples and making them doubt because they couldn't help the boy. This caused many people in the crowd to doubt too. Remember, this happened after the leaders had told him that he helped people by the power of Satan. So Satan was using the doubt that had caused to create more doubt and confusion. Jesus returned with the other 3 disciples and saw what was happening and immediately dealt with the problem. This verse, “When Jesus saw that a crowd was running to the scene, he rebuked the evil spirit. “You deaf and mute spirit,” he said, “I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.”” (Mark 9:25) tells us that the boy was deaf and mute as well as having seizures. Hey guys ! Thank you for sending me this post about the "myth" theories. Unfortunatelly it is not available in Greek, and I didnt know how to search for it in google. I put some key words but didnt found any results even in gotquestions website, so that was really useful!!! I studied Luke chapter 2. I want us to discuss about verses 34-35. Did Symeon was reffering also to the future, not only the near future, but about the events in Tribulation and after this? No, this is only speaking about what would happen to Mary and to the Jew's alive then.Today Sunday May 22nd
I read Mark 9:30-41
Jesus Predicts His Death a Second Time But again they do not understand what he is saying and were afraid to ask him about it.
I am pretty sure they understood what death was, but perhaps they either thought (having seen Jesus raise people from death) that he could not die, or if he did, no one could anyone raise him, thinking they could not ( so how could he be raised from the dead)? Plus they didn't see the value in his dying, I am guessing. Then the apostles saw a man driving out demons, but they stopped him, because he wasn't one of them.However Jesus tells them, whomever is not against us, is for us. Today Monday 23rd I read Mark 9:42-50
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Post by fearnot on May 24, 2016 12:03:47 GMT -5
I mistakenly choose the word 'offense' but you are right, I think the commentaries were more along the line of 'inappropriate'.....and when the Father said listen to Him ( Jesus), He clarified any possible mistake that they ( Jesus, Mosses and Elijah) were all on the same level.
I have to be a 'wee' more careful in choosing my words LOL
I think in ,my mind, an 'offense'... can be big or small, ( like inappropriate or something very serious indeed), but I doubt that is the correct definition :-(
Sometimes, I am just looking for a different word... like instead of writing the word: error over and over I might write mistake or blunder etc. but they are not always the best choice.
You know.... how some people when talking will say: You know You know You know or something similar..... so I try to avoid doing that when writing, but occasionally get into hot water LOL
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Post by fearnot on May 24, 2016 20:23:22 GMT -5
Today, Tue. 24th I read Mark 10: 1-12 Jesus talks about divorce
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Post by Cindy on May 25, 2016 11:29:33 GMT -5
I mistakenly choose the word 'offense' but you are right, I think the commentaries were more along the line of 'inappropriate'.....and when the Father said listen to Him ( Jesus), He clarified any possible mistake that they ( Jesus, Mosses and Elijah) were all on the same level.
I have to be a 'wee' more careful in choosing my words LOL
I think in ,my mind, an 'offense'... can be big or small, ( like inappropriate or something very serious indeed), but I doubt that is the correct definition :-(
Sometimes, I am just looking for a different word... like instead of writing the word: error over and over I might write mistake or blunder etc. but they are not always the best choice.
You know.... how some people when talking will say: You know You know You know or something similar..... so I try to avoid doing that when writing, but occasionally get into hot water LOL That's one of the reasons you have to be careful about accepting what the commentaries say about what you're reading. What Peter said, wasn't even really inappropriate. He didn't say anything that was wrong at all. Nor was he putting them all at the same level. So when you do read things like that, then go back to your bible and read the section again asking the Lord to show you the Truth that He wants you to learn.
Here's what one commentary says that agrees with the inappropriate remark: Mark’s explanatory (“for”) comment is set off as a parenthesis. It shows that Peter, as spokesman, responded inappropriately because (“for”) they were so frightened. The Bible Knowledge Commentary
Other commentaries say, what I also believe is true, that God spoke at that time and said what He did, in order to take their attention away from the "experience" and "feelings" and place it where it belongs, which is on God's Word.
The Father interrupted Peter’s speech and focused their attention, not on the vision, but on the Word of God: “Hear Him!” The memory of visions will fade, but the unchanging Word abides forever. The glorious vision was not an end in itself; it was God’s way of confirming the Word (see 2 Peter 1:12–21). Discipleship is not built on spectacular visions but on the inspired, unchanging Word of God. The Bible exposition commentary here's what MacArthur says: Rabbi. Lit. “my master.” A title of esteem and honor given by the Jews to respected teachers. In the NT, it is also used of John the Baptist (Jn 3:26). let us make three tabernacles. So as to make the 3 illustrious figures’ stay permanent. It is also possible that Peter’s suggestion reflected his belief that the millennial kingdom was about to be inaugurated (cf. Zec 14:16). He mentions nothing about any offense or misjudgement of Peter here or in the rest of the section.
I looked through all my commentaries and about half of them say something that indicates they think Peter goofed and said something he shouldn't have in one way or another. The rest say nothing like that at all and take what's written to mean just exactly what it says, without trying to read things into it. Obviously, they all can't be right, so some of them are wrong.
So when you read what a commentary says, you cannot ever simply accept that any commentary or article, including what I write, are 100% right, no matter who wrote them, because they are all written by a fallible human being. They are a good tool to give you ideas, things to think about and ask the Lord about, references you can check out, etc. But you need to then go back and read the section again and ask the Lord what the Truth is, remembering to read it the same way you would read what I'm writing to you here, in other words, you take what I say literally, and that's how we take what God says too. So, if you're not sick to death of it yet, lol, go back and read it again, asking the Lord what the truth is about it. You can disagree with me about it, that's fine. I just don't want you to accept what a commentary says because you think they're better than you are at understanding God's Word. The same God who taught them, is teaching you. Today, Tue. 24th I read Mark 10: 1-12 Jesus talks about divorce Ah, yes, a difficult subject for many in our times.
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Post by fearnot on May 25, 2016 12:13:32 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy. It's true I still put commentaries above what I 'think' the Lord is telling me, most of the time. However, there are a lot of times, that even if the commentaries point out this and that and are correct, God still, applies it to my life which may be yet another level.
It's like the first 3 chapters of Genesis, to this day, I still am finding yet new dimensions. In fact today reading the Competent to Counsel book, jay mentions about how Adam and Eve didn't not take responsibility for their sin. I knew that, and I knew they passed the 'buck' but I never quite saw it as I would often blame my 'moms, bio and adopted, for my sins. It just got applied to my own personal life on a deeper level.
But yes, I will go back and read it.
I just figured since it was 'me', my thinking Peter was trying to do something nice, and provide a service of sorts, just naturally had to be off, since several commentaries said he goofed. ( I like that word you chose....LOL).
I know about the divorce issue, it is difficult for many today, so I did not want to even try to get into that! If people are interested they can read the scripture passage and talk to a more mature Christian than I, because it really is difficult.
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Post by evafromgreece on May 25, 2016 15:16:59 GMT -5
Hey guys :) Yesterday I didnt manage to do much. I dont know how but yesterday I fell asleep at 8 pm! And woke up somewhere around 00.30 and then fell asleep again ... Probably I am over tired, more than I can handle. Its actually the first time after many years that something like this happens, to fall asleep so early and sleep for so many hours! It used to happen when I was on antidepressants many years ago. But I dont remember to have such problems after this. I mean it does happen but not so early. It might happen when I am stuggling to do things in 00.30 am... Anyway, I managed to go to Luke chapter 3-4 I will move a bit further and soon I will write my thoughts about this. And I found something to show you a bit of my life, thanks to google street view www.google.gr/maps/@36.4368704,28.2376797,3a,75y,113.56h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swJT0umjlWSwAAAQzeXmXuA!2e0!7i10000!8i5000!6m1!1e1 This is where I work. You see when it has a "wind" sign? This is practically where I am. But, because in Greece it doesnt work that way, I am actually there and on the mobile phones, tablets, laptops and accessories, and sometimes at cameras and mp3s also. You can follow the link and see the store and "walk" there and see what I am talking about. Also you can see the area outside. I will see if I can find the area I live in google street view , so you will get an idea also
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Post by evafromgreece on May 25, 2016 15:18:43 GMT -5
I just saw the link does not work, just copy and paste the above and you will get there
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Post by fearnot on May 25, 2016 20:32:13 GMT -5
Eva very cool! It's a lot bigger than it seems at first! I really enjoyed the other images, too!!! Thanks for sharing :-)
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Post by fearnot on May 25, 2016 22:06:26 GMT -5
Today Wed. May 25th I read Mark 10-13-31 We are to have the trust in God, like little children their parents. And then there was the very rich man who want eternal life but couldn't give up his money, and in fact, even the disciples were confused, I am thinking because of a mistaken thought that if you are very rich, you are especially beloved of God who has 'blessed' you with all your wealth......but almost never so ( tho perhaps from time to time it is). But for sure, if we put our riches above our eternal life, nothing is so sad, to spend eternity without the lord just to have 'stuff' for our short time on this earth!
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Post by Cindy on May 26, 2016 11:15:25 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy. It's true I still put commentaries above what I 'think' the Lord is telling me, most of the time. However, there are a lot of times, that even if the commentaries point out this and that and are correct, God still, applies it to my life which may be yet another level.
It's like the first 3 chapters of Genesis, to this day, I still am finding yet new dimensions. In fact today reading the Competent to Counsel book, jay mentions about how Adam and Eve didn't not take responsibility for their sin. I knew that, and I knew they passed the 'buck' but I never quite saw it as I would often blame my 'moms, bio and adopted, for my sins. It just got applied to my own personal life on a deeper level.
But yes, I will go back and read it.
I just figured since it was 'me', my thinking Peter was trying to do something nice, and provide a service of sorts, just naturally had to be off, since several commentaries said he goofed. ( I like that word you chose....LOL).
I know about the divorce issue, it is difficult for many today, so I did not want to even try to get into that! If people are interested they can read the scripture passage and talk to a more mature Christian than I, because it really is difficult. I was really blessed that I didn't have any commentaries that I could read for many years, so that by the time I did get them, the Lord had already taught me the basics of what the passages meant. So for me they were more like confirmation that I'd heard the Lord correctly then something to learn from. I still use them and take notes from them, because I often like the way they put things, and like I said before, they also help me see other angels of some of the scriptures. Hey guys :) Yesterday I didnt manage to do much. I dont know how but yesterday I fell asleep at 8 pm! And woke up somewhere around 00.30 and then fell asleep again ... Probably I am over tired, more than I can handle. Its actually the first time after many years that something like this happens, to fall asleep so early and sleep for so many hours! It used to happen when I was on antidepressants many years ago. But I dont remember to have such problems after this. I mean it does happen but not so early. It might happen when I am stuggling to do things in 00.30 am... Anyway, I managed to go to Luke chapter 3-4 I will move a bit further and soon I will write my thoughts about this. And I found something to show you a bit of my life, thanks to google street view www.google.gr/maps/@36.4368704,28.2376797,3a,75y,113.56h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swJT0umjlWSwAAAQzeXmXuA!2e0!7i10000!8i5000!6m1!1e1 This is where I work. You see when it has a "wind" sign? This is practically where I am. But, because in Greece it doesnt work that way, I am actually there and on the mobile phones, tablets, laptops and accessories, and sometimes at cameras and mp3s also. You can follow the link and see the store and "walk" there and see what I am talking about. Also you can see the area outside. I will see if I can find the area I live in google street view , so you will get an idea also That's really neat Eva! I almost got to go to Greece when I was a child, but wound up sick in the hospital, so I couldn't go. I sure wanted to go though. It's a beautiful place to live! I'd love to see more too!I just saw the link does not work, just copy and paste the above and you will get there no problem.
Today Wed. May 25th I read Mark 10-13-31 We are to have the trust in God, like little children their parents. And then there was the very rich man who want eternal life but couldn't give up his money, and in fact, even the disciples were confused, I am thinking because of a mistaken thought that if you are very rich, you are especially beloved of God who has 'blessed' you with all your wealth......but almost never so ( tho perhaps from time to time it is). But for sure, if we put our riches above our eternal life, nothing is so sad, to spend eternity without the lord just to have 'stuff' for our short time on this earth! yes, that was quite a shock to the disciples!
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Post by fearnot on May 26, 2016 22:12:28 GMT -5
Today Thur May 26th I read Mark 10: 32-45 Jesus predicts His death for a 3rd time and James and John request the glory of sitting on His right and left side in heaven....least we think they were alone in such audacity I wonder if some of the others did not contemplate it to themselves? In any case, Jesus tells them all, whoever wishes to be great, must become a servant, and follow His example.
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Post by evafromgreece on May 27, 2016 15:36:22 GMT -5
Hey guys I studied Luke chapter 6 and 7.
6:27-36 As I read this again I feel that I have to make more effort on this. I believe that this is the hardest thing of all. Its hardest from all the commandments. To chose to love Gods way, the most important commandment and the hardest one. And 7:36-50 is quite similar too.
In 7:18-23 I remember we said before that John was not sure because he was in prison and that was an example of how a human can have doubts under these circumstances. But, after reading again Luke, didnt he know from his parents and their story ase we read it in Luke chapter 1?
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Post by fearnot on May 27, 2016 18:52:37 GMT -5
Today Friday May 27th I read Mark 10:46-52
a blind man, Bartimaeus, was sitting by the roadside begging, when he hears Jesus and he shouts out loudly to Jesus to have mercy on him, but the people rebuke Bartimaeus and tell him to be quiet. However, instead Bartimaeus shouts even more to Jesus.
This is a man who really wants Jesus help and he does not let other people, hinder or stop him. He is desperate and knows no one but Jesus can help and so Jesus does indeed restore Bartimaeus sight and even says it was Bartimaeus's faith (in Jesus) that healed him.
No matter who tries to encourage us to give up on Jesus, we need to stay the course, for He is the only one!
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Post by fearnot on May 28, 2016 13:59:50 GMT -5
Today Sat. May 28th I read Mark 11: 1-26
Verses 1-11 deal with Jesus Coming to Jerusalem as King and the its about Jesus Curses a Fig Tree, which we talked about recently.
But I have to confess that although I know that Jesus ( as God) can do anything, I have always had a hard time 'believing' this verse:
23 “Truly, I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them."
I do believe that thru prayer God will often do many amazing and even miraculous things, but for some reason, I cannot wrap my head around actually and truly having a mountain throw itself into the sea.
If Jesus meant something like a mountain of troubles, that I can believe, but a real physical mountain, for some reason, seems to be beyond me ( at this point, and yet, who knows, in the future?
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Post by fearnot on May 29, 2016 21:54:18 GMT -5
Today Sun. May 29th I read Mark 11: 27-33 Jesus authority is questioned
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Post by Cindy on May 30, 2016 10:46:15 GMT -5
Today Thur May 26th I read Mark 10: 32-45 Jesus predicts His death for a 3rd time and James and John request the glory of sitting on His right and left side in heaven....least we think they were alone in such audacity I wonder if some of the others did not contemplate it to themselves? In any case, Jesus tells them all, whoever wishes to be great, must become a servant, and follow His example. Hey guys I studied Luke chapter 6 and 7. 6:27-36 As I read this again I feel that I have to make more effort on this. I believe that this is the hardest thing of all. Its hardest from all the commandments. To chose to love Gods way, the most important commandment and the hardest one. And 7:36-50 is quite similar too. In 7:18-23 I remember we said before that John was not sure because he was in prison and that was an example of how a human can have doubts under these circumstances. But, after reading again Luke, didnt he know from his parents and their story ase we read it in Luke chapter 1? Yes, love is the key to how we're to live and act toward everyone.
Eva, you really, really need to write this down in your bible next to Matt 11:2–19; and Luke 7:18–35 so you don't forget. You don't have to write all of this, just enough to remind you what it means.
We studied this years ago and have discussed it any number of times since then. Of course he knew about all of that, he was the one who told everyone that Jesus was the Lamb of God who came to take away the sins of the world. (John 1:29) But John was just a regular guy, a regular person like you and me. He had told Israel that the Messiah was coming and they had better repent of their sins and shape up. (Matthew 3:1–2 and especially Matthew 3:7–10) John could see as well as anyone that the people, especially the leaders hadn't repented, and he was waiting for the ax to fall - for judgment to come on them. Remember, the Jew's did not know that there was only going to be one Messiah. They thought there would be two of them - one who would be the conqueror, and the other one who would be the suffering servant. They were not at all interested in the suffering servant, they wanted the conqueror to come. They wanted to be freed from Rome's oppression of them. We can look back at history and understand the scriptures easily, but they were living them and didn't understand them at all. They could not figure out how one person could suffer and die and yet still start the Millennial Kingdom, freeing them from Rome (or whoever was oppressing them at the time) and making them the head of all nations. If they had accepted Jesus as their Messiah, He still would have had to die for their sins and ours, but after His resurrection, He would have started the Millennial Kingdom right then. Since they did not accept Him, it meant that He would start the church instead, and then when He returns again start the Millennial Kingdom. Even John did not understand this then. Plus, being human, he was under a great deal of stress, and most likely other people were planting doubts in his mind too or he was at least hearing the doubts that other people talked about.
Jesus did not try to teach him about everything. Instead He answered his question by proving who He was with actions. Without saying anything, Jesus immediately started performing miracles right in front of John's disciples—curing diseases, casting out demons, and giving sight to the blind. He did not speak to them until He was finished. His reply summarized what Isaiah said about Him: Isaiah 35:5–6; Isaiah 26:19; Isaiah 61:1; Isaiah 29:18, and Isaiah 11:4. He even added the sign curing of leprosy which only Moses (Numbers 12:10–15) and Elisha (2 Kings 5) had done before. By doing that, it would remind John of what Moses had said in Deut 18:15 - that one day God would send them a prophet like Moses and they should listen to Him. This was all complete and total proof that He was the Messiah John was looking for, and this is what John's disciples went back and told him. Basically, Jesus was telling them to tell John that even if the Jew's are not accepting Him, that He was doing everything that the Old Testament said the Messiah would do. He then said, “Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me.”” (Luke 7:23) He was gently saying to John, not to allow his preconceived ideas about the Messiah to interfere with what he already knew to be true about Him. John was in danger of being trapped in one of Satan's snares because of his concern about what Jesus was not doing - because Jesus had not yet judged anyone (that would happen in ad 70). Jesus gently told him to have faith, that He knew what He was doing.
Remember when you asked me about Jesus cursing the fig tree? I was thinking about it and I'm not sure I explained it completely. Jesus created that tree and was entitled to get fruit from it. When it didn't have the fruit He wanted, He cursed it and it died. It was an example of human beings. Jesus created us and expects us to bear fruit for Him. Those who do not, will be cursed & die the second death, spending eternity in Hell, because they were never saved. The tree was also an example of Israel. Jesus had created them, tended them, nourished them, and expected them to bear fruit by recognizing Him as their Savior and being saved. The nation did not and as such was cursed, and the curse was carried out in ad 70. We don't like to think about it, but because God created us, and even keeps us alive - because we could not continue to live unless he kept the earth rotating, and kept our bodies breathing, etc. - because of all of that, God owns us. We belong to Him and He can do anything at all He pleases with us or to us. If He was not loving, He would have tortured us and cast us all in Hell a long time ago. There is not one single human being alive that deserves to be saved, not one single infant, child, woman or man. Everything good that we have, is because He gave it to us. Everything good within us is because He caused it to be a part of us. We did not do anything on our own, we did not even choose to be saved on our own, He had to first cause us to recognize that we needed a Savior and make us want one! So it's His right to do whatever He wants to with any human being, or any animal, bird, fish, tree, plant, rock, or anything else He created. This is some of what the bible tells us about this:
“You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, “He did not make me”? Can the pot say of the potter, “He knows nothing”?” (Isaiah 29:16) ““Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker, to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘He has no hands’? Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What have you begotten?’ or to his mother, ‘What have you brought to birth?’ “This is what the LORD says— the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker: Concerning things to come, do you question me about my children, or give me orders about the work of my hands? It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.” (Isaiah 45:9–12) “But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?” (Romans 9:20–24) Today Friday May 27th I read Mark 10:46-52
a blind man, Bartimaeus, was sitting by the roadside begging, when he hears Jesus and he shouts out loudly to Jesus to have mercy on him, but the people rebuke Bartimaeus and tell him to be quiet. However, instead Bartimaeus shouts even more to Jesus.
This is a man who really wants Jesus help and he does not let other people, hinder or stop him. He is desperate and knows no one but Jesus can help and so Jesus does indeed restore Bartimaeus sight and even says it was Bartimaeus's faith (in Jesus) that healed him.
No matter who tries to encourage us to give up on Jesus, we need to stay the course, for He is the only one!
Amen!!!!
Today Sat. May 28th I read Mark 11: 1-26
Verses 1-11 deal with Jesus Coming to Jerusalem as King and the its about Jesus Curses a Fig Tree, which we talked about recently.
But I have to confess that although I know that Jesus ( as God) can do anything, I have always had a hard time 'believing' this verse:
23 “Truly, I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them."
I do believe that thru prayer God will often do many amazing and even miraculous things, but for some reason, I cannot wrap my head around actually and truly having a mountain throw itself into the sea.
If Jesus meant something like a mountain of troubles, that I can believe, but a real physical mountain, for some reason, seems to be beyond me ( at this point, and yet, who knows, in the future? the last paragraph I wrote to Eva above is about the fig tree LOL
about that prayer: Notice that Jesus did not say any mountain, but ‘this’ mountain. He would have been standing on the Mount of Olives at the time, and it is significant that it will one day be the will of God to split this mountain in two and for a huge river to flow through that split (Zech 14:4–8). This will happen when Christ returns, so this circumstance will then be related to His faith as well as in the will of God.
As far as giving us whatever we ask for believing etc. we have to remember that we can't take any scripture and "claim" it without including all the scriptures in the bible about that subject. Concerning prayer we're also told elsewhere that we must pray according to God's Will, not our own, and that we cannot be unreconciled to anyone because of unforgiveness in our hearts, nor can we be living in sin that we have not repented of. Plus, if we look at what the words mean in the original language, the "you' is plural, (you all) which indicates that Jesus is speaking of something that the body of Christ is praying for in agreement.
But I know what you mean about not being able to imagine it lol
Today Sun. May 29th I read Mark 11: 27-33 Jesus authority is questioned
You're doing really well Barbara!
Sorry I haven't been here for the last few days. I haven't been well and it's been crazy here, will be again today, so I won't have time to do the other thread until tomorrow. Sorry guys.
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Post by fearnot on May 30, 2016 11:17:06 GMT -5
Thank you soooooo much Cindy for what you wrote to Eva concerning John the Baptist, it really explained why and what John was having doubts about!!!
I Knew the Jews thought there would be 2 messiahs, but for some reason, I thought John and the disciples understood that Jesus was both. Probably because I knew, I just assumed because they were so close to him, that they had been told. But then again, even IF Jesus had told them, we can see how they did not understand about His having to die, even tho He told them at least 3 times we know of.
I did NOT notice that Jesus had said 'this' mountain!! Well, perhaps He did not mean for us to be tossing all the mountains in the world in the oceans LOL!
As always thank you soooo much! It was soooooo great to read about both things that had always confused me!!
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Post by fearnot on May 30, 2016 14:42:41 GMT -5
Today May 30th I read Mark 12: 1-12 The Parable of the Tenants This was basically a history of Israel's relationship with God, He had sent them prophets and they abused them or killed them, then finally God sends His son Jesus and they are going to kill him as well...the chief priest etc understood that this parable was about them but they were afraid of the crowd and left.
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Post by evafromgreece on May 30, 2016 14:53:52 GMT -5
Hey guys :)
Cindy I will print it and put it in my Bible :) Guys I am sick, I suffer with allergies I take pills they make me want to sleep. My eyes are red, my nose is running and my ears are tickling (if this is the correct phrase) . I am continuing studying, but I cannot write much now unfortunatelly :( Arghhh! I dont like when I am like this!!!!
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Post by fearnot on May 30, 2016 20:51:02 GMT -5
Praying you will feel better soon Eva. Thanks for letting us know.
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Post by Cindy on May 31, 2016 9:00:59 GMT -5
Thank you soooooo much Cindy for what you wrote to Eva concerning John the Baptist, it really explained why and what John was having doubts about!!!
I Knew the Jews thought there would be 2 messiahs, but for some reason, I thought John and the disciples understood that Jesus was both. Probably because I knew, I just assumed because they were so close to him, that they had been told. But then again, even IF Jesus had told them, we can see how they did not understand about His having to die, even tho He told them at least 3 times we know of.
I did NOT notice that Jesus had said 'this' mountain!! Well, perhaps He did not mean for us to be tossing all the mountains in the world in the oceans LOL!
As always thank you soooo much! It was soooooo great to read about both things that had always confused me!! Even the disciples didn't understand it. They came to know that Jesus was God, and they trusted Him, but they didn't understand it. That's why they kept wanting to know when He'd start the Kingdom, and why they were focused on who would be greatest in the Kingdom. They were still thinking He would start it any time, and that meant He had to be the conquering Messiah. They didn't know what to do with the suffering Messiah, which is why they were so depressed when He died. They thought they'd been wrong and that He wasn't the Savior after all. They didn't "get it" until He rose again and then He was able to explain it so that they would understand. Although even then, He did not tell them that He wasn't going to start the Kingdom right away, He let them think it could happen any time.
It's good we're talking about this stuff here because it will help us understand what's said in the Tribulation thread better.
I'm glad you like it hon.
Today May 30th I read Mark 12: 1-12 The Parable of the Tenants This was basically a history of Israel's relationship with God, He had sent them prophets and they abused them or killed them, then finally God sends His son Jesus and they are going to kill him as well...the chief priest etc understood that this parable was about them but they were afraid of the crowd and left. Hey guys :) Cindy I will print it and put it in my Bible :) Guys I am sick, I suffer with allergies I take pills they make me want to sleep. My eyes are red, my nose is running and my ears are tickling (if this is the correct phrase) . I am continuing studying, but I cannot write much now unfortunatelly :( Arghhh! I dont like when I am like this!!!! OK hon. I'm sorry you're not feeling well, and hope you get to feeling better soon!
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Post by evafromgreece on May 31, 2016 14:31:22 GMT -5
Barbara you wrote that the Jews thought there would be 2 Messiahs? Really?
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Post by evafromgreece on May 31, 2016 15:31:54 GMT -5
"Remember, the Jew's did not know that there was only going to be one Messiah. They thought there would be two of them - one who would be the conqueror, and the other one who would be the suffering servant. Read more: fresh-hope.com/thread/1767/daily-time-lord#ixzz4AGeHql84" WOW! I didnt remember this, and why did they believe so? "If they had accepted Jesus as their Messiah, He still would have had to die for their sins and ours" In that case I guess Romans would make Him suffer only, right?
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Post by evafromgreece on May 31, 2016 16:07:26 GMT -5
"He even added the sign curing of leprosy which only Moses (Numbers 12:10–15) and Elisha (2 Kings 5) had done before. By doing that, it would remind John of what Moses had said in Deut 18:15 - that one day God would send them a prophet like Moses and they should listen to Him. "
Can we discuss this a bit more?
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Post by fearnot on May 31, 2016 19:46:09 GMT -5
Eva:
This is a quote from Cindy:
"Remember, the Jew's did not know that there was only going to be one Messiah. They thought there would be two of them - one who would be the conqueror, and the other one who would be the suffering servant.
They were not at all interested in the suffering servant, they wanted the conqueror to come.
They wanted to be freed from Rome's oppression of them.
We can look back at history and understand the scriptures easily, but they were living them and didn't understand them at all.
They could not figure out how one person could suffer and die and yet still start the Millennial Kingdom, freeing them from Rome (or whoever was oppressing them at the time) and making them the head of all nations.
If they had accepted Jesus as their Messiah, He still would have had to die for their sins and ours, but after His resurrection, He would have started the Millennial Kingdom right then. "
Since they could not see how one person could be both the suffering servant..... and the conqueror
They assumed there had to be 2 Messiah's.
But in fact, they couldn't figure out the purpose of a suffering Messiah...how could he save them?
Actually, that is the same mistake satan made, he figured he had won, when Jesus died on the cross ( no doubt satan thought what a losser, Jesus could have had 'everything'......), but Jesus didn't need 'everything', Jesus wanted to save people so that they might fellowship with Him, for all eternity .
Jesus already had everything 'material', He wanted us because He loves us..... satan hates us, and he wants everything, including power.
However, I imagine Cindy can round it out even more.
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Post by fearnot on May 31, 2016 19:57:55 GMT -5
Today May 31th I read Mark 12: 12-17
Once again the Pharisees and Herodians try to trick Jesus. what amazes me is how they start off by saying:
"we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth"
All of that is true, but they do not mean it!
And of course, Jesus knew it and pointed it out to them. "But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?”
Plus, they should have known by now, you cannot trick God, Jesus was able to explain their little trick, at the same time, giving us a principle to live by:
"“Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” So we are to pay our taxes, but more importantly we are to love and honor God.
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