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Post by fearnot on Apr 13, 2017 13:01:16 GMT -5
By the way, I have on occasion thought, if I should call you when depressed in the morning LOL I am sure you would just love that!
you might wonder why I don't talk to Leonard instead ( God first of course) but what usually happens during the week, is he gets up before me, and takes the grandchildren to their respective schools. Then, I start to wake up.....
But also I don't ever want hubby to think it is somehow something he done or not done....sure I could say that...
but I know when people have said something similar to me in the past.... oh its not you at all believe me..... I still wonder and think..... but could I have done something, and I know I was not as nice or kind as I could have been etc.
But the bottom line is, I keep thinking I need to work it out with the Lord and take my thoughts captive etc.
I think I don't stay as depressed anywhere as near as long as I used to..... however, I cannot ever remember a morning waking up with absolutely no feeling of being, a little down or blue, or actually depressed, ever ever in my life.
in fact, like I said once a long time ago, I used to be 'depressed 80-90 percent of each day
now it's 1% on a good day and maybe 10% (IF that much) on a bad day.....
and of course how much pain I am in, etc. does play its part....but even then, its a lot less.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 13, 2017 13:14:46 GMT -5
4/13/17 psalm 47
V. 1 mentions joy for sure, but I always cringe when I read 'shout(s)'
maybe its a cultural thing or maybe cuz my adopted parents were born in the 1890's where children were to be 'seen and not heard' Shouting just gives me the willies
But anyway. I am first working on just joy...not shouting yet But then.... don't you just know v. 5 brings us shouting again!!!
Back to v. 2 and 3 which gives some praises of our Lord.... and v. 6 says to sing praises....
hummmm maybe I could make that my application ( for now), instead of SHOUTING LOL Because as v.9 says
".....He is greatly exalted."
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Post by fearnot on Apr 14, 2017 12:24:36 GMT -5
4/14/17 Psalm 48
In the first 2 verses both praise and joy, and this psalm talks about the city of God which I am thinking refers to Jerusalem?
V. 9 talks about thinking on God's unfailing love ( a good application for me as well).
and v. 14 is an uplifting verse to think on also:
v. 14 "For this God is our God for ever and ever; he will be our guide even to the end."
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Post by fearnot on Apr 15, 2017 13:55:43 GMT -5
4/15/17 Psalm 49
v. 5 is for me
"Why should I fear when evil days come"
verses 7-12 speak the truth that no one ( except God the son, Jesus) can pay a ransom for someone else to live forever..... and everyone dies the richest man on earth, the foolish, etc. no matter, how much money you amass, it will not buy you eternal life.....
Tho I must say, the thought of the wealthy dot com guys think that we all must merge with AI's (in part because they is no other fail safe on them) in order to live forever.....ummmmmmmm.......no thanks!!![/font comic sans M I am with the psalmist who says:
v. 15 "But God will redeem me from the realm of the dead; he will surely take me to himself"
The psalmist gives many encouragements not to envy the rich....even to the last verse
v. 20 "People who have wealth but lack understanding are like the beasts that perish."
So my application is to remember this when tempted to envy those who have money.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 16, 2017 14:58:26 GMT -5
4/16/17 Psalm 50
Such a mighty picture of God It probably is not true but verses 3 & 4 remind me a little of when God will end this universe in fire:
v. 3 "........a fire devours before him, and around him a tempest rages. 4 He summons the heavens above, and the earth, that he may judge his people"
v. 12 & 13 show that the Jewish sacrifices for sin did not truly atone for sins
v. 12 "If I were hungry I would not tell you, for the world is mine, and all that is in it. 13 Do I eat the flesh of bulls or drink the blood of goats?"
But if we are to offer any type of 'sacrifices it should be of 'thanksgiving' which is my application....to count my blessings and offer thanksgiving for them.
v. 23 "Those who sacrifice thank offerings honor me, and to the blameless I will show my salvation.”
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Post by fearnot on Apr 17, 2017 10:14:50 GMT -5
4/17/17 Psalm 51
Wow! This psalm is filled with sooooo much! So many beloved verses.
v. 1 & 2 begging God to have mercy on the psalmist's sins.....something I believe all believers have felt at one time or another, I surely have.
V. 3 & 4 speak about how our sins effect us, but more to the point, how we have sinned against God.....sometimes we might think or I sinned against so and so ( and we did) but ultimately all sins are against the Lord.
v. 5 & 6 explains we were born with a sin nature.....when we see precious little babies it is sometimes easy to be deceived and think they are totally innocent. For sure they don't have much ability to act at all on their sin nature, but it is there and soon as they gain strength ....think of a 2 year old, it becomes clear we don't have to carefully teach children to be naughty, rather the reverse!
And how many times have we heard, sung, and prayed v. 7
v. 7".........wash me, and I will be whiter than snow."
well v. 8 has that joy word again LOL in fact it even mentions crushed bones rejoicing!!!
and v. 9 also echo a plea of mine for God to hide His face from my sins ( which He does, because He see Jesus righteousness and not my sins)!
and verses 9-11 are sooooo familiar ( and there is another joy word)
( who knew they were all here in psalm 51.... oh that's right, I know you did :-)
v. 10 "Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. 11 Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. 12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me."
and how many times have we Christians prayed and thought on v. 17
v. 17 "My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise."
Having a broken heart over our sins we committed against the Lord ( who suffered for all of them for us....me.....) He will not despise... but take pity on me and all who have a contrite heart.
I think my application is to write these out and think on them and to find the joy in the fact that the Lord does not despise those who trust Him for their broken hearts over their (my) sins....that I still have.
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Post by Cindy on Apr 17, 2017 13:06:56 GMT -5
4/13/17 I missed seeing that post sooooooo I am reposting it:
In Psalm 51 David wrote about his sin against Uriah and Bathsheba. The Psalm is the record of his repentance after Nathan accused him of adultery and murder. In verse 3 he described the anxiety state caused by his guilty conscience prior to repentance. He wrote: “My sin is ever before me.” Counseling experience underscores the biblical idea that most people know why they're in trouble, even when at 1st they deny it. Whenever counselors operate on the assumption that this is so, they find most people drop their defenses & tell it like it is. Counselors who presuppose that clients don't know the problems in their lives tend to ignore or reinterpret genuine expressions of guilt & thereby discourage & confuse clients about the causes of their difficulties. It's a serious question whether a Christian whose conscience judges him according to the explicit standards of Scripture can ever become seriously depressed over the guilt of sin committed without that sin being “ever before him.” Cf. also Job 6:30.
Ok, the above part is simply saying that worldly counselors do not relate how people are feeling to the possibility of their being any sin in the persons life. In act, if a person tells a counselor that they feel guilty about something they did, the counselor is very likely to try and get them to give up the feeling of guilt and tell them they have nothing to feel guilty about, because they don't believe in sin. The last sentence that starts out, "It's a serious question" is saying that it's impossible for someone who is seriously depressed due to feeling guilty, to not be aware of sin in their lives - even if they don't call it "sin".
Some people who otherwise might be aware of their sin, because they have been taught that sin has no relationship to depression, need to be shown that feelings flow from actions.
For someone who was feeling guilty but went to a counselor who taught them that there was no such thing as sin and that they had nothing to feel guilty about, needs to be shown how sin works, and taught again that there is such a thing as sin. They need to be shown that our feelings come from actions (and I would also add that it's like a circle because our actions also come from thoughts and feelings. We have a thought and do something and our thoughts and actions always have a feeling attached to them. We change the feelings by changing the thoughts to the truth etc.)
Of course there are persons “past feeling” whose conscience has been “seared with a branding iron.”
“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.” (1 Timothy 4:1–2) Our conscience can only work correctly if we give it the correct information. If a parent does not teach their child that it is wrong to steal, then that child's conscience won't bother them when they steal something. The same with anything else. But even if a person has been raised right, we can still corrupt our conscience, and most people do so. The easiest example today would be someone that's homosexual. They most likely were taught when they were young that homosexuality was wrong and was a sin that God hated. As they grew up and determined that they were homosexual, they didn't want to feel bad about it. They wanted to be accepted as normal. So every time their conscience accused them, they told themselves it was perfectly ok to be homosexual and that what they were taught as a child was wrong, because the bible really doesn't say that. They continued to tell themselves lies about it until finally their conscience no longer bothered them when they were with someone of the same sex. At that point, their conscience became "seared as with a hot iron".
To the best of my knowledge, the Bible does not seem to speak about the so-called sociopath (psychopath), who is supposed to have little or no conscience. The matter needs further study.
Notice that he does not say that the Bible does not speak about a sociopath. He says that he personally hasn't found where it speaks about it, and therefore he needs to study about it more.
Prov 28:1 vividly pictures the effects of a haunting guilty conscience: “The wicked flee when no one pursues: but the righteous are bold as a lion.” A guilty conscience leads to fear, and a good conscience leads to boldness. The wicked flee in many ways. Henry was burdened with a guilty conscience. Walking down the street one day, he saw Ron coming his way. Henry knew he had wronged Ron in a business deal. Seeing Ron, Henry was suddenly afraid & felt as if he had to avoid him at all costs. He turned a corner as quickly as he could & escaped. He felt as if he would do almost anything to avoid meeting Ron. Because Henry had wronged him, Ron had become a stressor to Henry. Unforgiven sinners are vulnerable people. They often become intensely self conscious. Even innocent words frequently are interpreted as personal attacks. They interpret as personal affronts acts that have no direct relationship to them. A guilty person may claim that a sermon was a personal attack, or lacking the courage to do so, will object to some incidental feature of the sermon. or some supposed slight of the minister. To call such a person paranoid is to minsinterpret the dynamics of his problem. On the other hand, a man at peace with God & with other men is invulnerable & can be bold as a lion. Competent to counsel:
Then he goes back to the subject of someone who has a guilty conscience, showing how a guilty conscience leads to fear. He gives a current example of that. Showing how it might look in someone today. Note though that he is not saying that everyone who has a guilty conscience will have all of the characteristics he lists. Some may have all of them, and some may only have one. It depends on the person and how guilty they feel, etc. He is simply listing characteristics of a guilty conscience for other counselors to look for in their clients so they can best help them.
I hope this clears up all that he said about this. Just because someone's a nurse or a doctor or the president of the US, doesn't make them correct in what they say. I'm sure you know that. As far as your daughter's friend goes, maybe they were a sociopath and maybe they weren't. It sounds to me like they were simply paranoid which comes from a guilty conscience not from someone that has no conscience which is what the world says a sociopath has."
No I wasn't saying our grandchildren's father is a sociopath just because our daughter's nurse friend said so.....
But he does seem to turn anything he does wrong , into a proper response... in his own eyes, because that person ( be it our daughter, his mother, friends, police etc.) wronged him.
Of course we all do that from time to time, but I don't think I ever heard of a time he apologized for anything ever... of course, I don't know that, he may well have, but I just have never heard about it.
Because he is 1/2 black, he is especially sensitive to slights either real or perceived against him....
and yet he has a very charismatic personality....his story telling is hilarious.
But I sometimes wonder if he does not tell himself he is right to do or say, this or that, because he has been picked,and/or or truly abused for being 'black'.
This very friend or our daughter had to call the police on him once because he was furious for some perceived offense from our daughter and he was threatening violence....
Our daughter can be feisty but is very compassionate and fair.....every single time the grandchildren go to see him, he threatens to keep them....yet she would not keep them from him or him from them..... and to his credit, he has never been violent with 'HIS' children ever....
Sooooo I was trying to figure out if he actually has a seared conscious ( or... if there was even such a thing as a sociopath, and IF there was is, is he, or is he just a self-centered sinner like all of us)?
But the word sociopath caught my attention and I did want to know more about it, because he is the only person I know, who wrongly..... or rightly ( if it is possible but probably not biblically) was in fact as labeled that not even by an so-called expert...
but the interest is there because,he is after all our 2 grandchildren's dad.
But really I think he is just a sinner who feels super 'entitled' because of his sufferings. (oh! not unlike I have from time to time :-( )
His dad left his mom when he and his brother were just young, so that is another pain he has suffered in his life.
So thank you for your post..... I somehow totally did not see it. He sounds more like he's narcissistic to me. It's possible he has a seared conscience, but them many people do. I'm glad it helped you some and gave you more information about our conscience as well as other people's.By the way, I have on occasion thought, if I should call you when depressed in the morning LOL I am sure you would just love that!
you might wonder why I don't talk to Leonard instead ( God first of course) but what usually happens during the week, is he gets up before me, and takes the grandchildren to their respective schools. Then, I start to wake up.....
But also I don't ever want hubby to think it is somehow something he done or not done....sure I could say that...
but I know when people have said something similar to me in the past.... oh its not you at all believe me..... I still wonder and think..... but could I have done something, and I know I was not as nice or kind as I could have been etc.
But the bottom line is, I keep thinking I need to work it out with the Lord and take my thoughts captive etc.
I think I don't stay as depressed anywhere as near as long as I used to..... however, I cannot ever remember a morning waking up with absolutely no feeling of being, a little down or blue, or actually depressed, ever ever in my life.
in fact, like I said once a long time ago, I used to be 'depressed 80-90 percent of each day
now it's 1% on a good day and maybe 10% (IF that much) on a bad day.....
and of course how much pain I am in, etc. does play its part....but even then, its a lot less. For one thing, most people do not focus so much on themselves that they'll believe that they've done something bad to make another person feel bad, just because that person has told them they feel badly. I don't know Leonard, so I can't say for sure he wouldn't react that way, but statistically, it's not likely he would, especially if you told him it wasn't him and explained as best you could, what you thought caused it.
As for calling me, you most certainly can do that if you want to. But you're right in one sense, it's something you do need to work on with the Lord. Satan wants you to hand on to this. He does not want you to give it up and he wants you to believe that you will always feel that way, and that it's acceptable to feel that way. He wants you to dwell on it and ruin the rest of your day as well. If at all possible, he wants to get you back to the way you were before, and he uses this as a wedge to do that. This gives him his "foot in the door" so to speak.
So it's very important that you work on this and take those thoughts and feelings captive and replace them the way the Lord says to. There's one other thing that we should make sure of though... people who live with pain, often feel kind of groggy when they first wake up - partly due to meds, partly due to pain, etc. and that can be mistaken for feeling "down". You need to be sure that you're actually feeling down and not just feeling groggy and out of it when you first wake up. The way to do that is by recognizing what your first thoughts are when you wake up. It might help if you were to share that with me daily, and we could work on it together.
One thing that helps is knowing that you have something you love to do waiting for you each day. The best thing to love to do is of course to spend time with the Lord and to be looking forward to doing that and seeing what He has for you to do that day, and wondering if maybe this is the day He will come for us.
4/13/17 psalm 47
V. 1 mentions joy for sure, but I always cringe when I read 'shout(s)'
maybe its a cultural thing or maybe cuz my adopted parents were born in the 1890's where children were to be 'seen and not heard' Shouting just gives me the willies
But anyway. I am first working on just joy...not shouting yet But then.... don't you just know v. 5 brings us shouting again!!!
Back to v. 2 and 3 which gives some praises of our Lord.... and v. 6 says to sing praises....
hummmm maybe I could make that my application ( for now), instead of SHOUTING LOL Because as v.9 says
".....He is greatly exalted." That's interesting that shouting gives you the willies.... you do realize I hope that he's talking about speaking loudly because you're so full of joy you can't hold it in any longer?
I've been wondering for quite awhile now, and keep forgetting to ask you: Do you listen to hymns or praise and worship music very often? If not, why? If you do, what do you listen to and how does it affect you? This is important because it's one of the best ways we are to praise the Lord and worship Him. Doing this chases away depression and worry and stress etc better than anything else there is.
4/14/17 Psalm 48
In the first 2 verses both praise and joy, and this psalm talks about the city of God which I am thinking refers to Jerusalem?
V. 9 talks about thinking on God's unfailing love ( a good application for me as well).
and v. 14 is an uplifting verse to think on also:
v. 14 "For this God is our God for ever and ever; he will be our guide even to the end."
Good one! “God is in her citadels; he has shown himself to be her fortress.” (Psalm 48:3) Did you notice how usually the city is the fortress of a King, but for us and in this verse, our God is the fortress for the city!
4/15/17 Psalm 49
v. 5 is for me
"Why should I fear when evil days come"
verses 7-12 speak the truth that no one ( except God the son, Jesus) can pay a ransom for someone else to live forever..... and everyone dies the richest man on earth, the foolish, etc. no matter, how much money you amass, it will not buy you eternal life.....
Tho I must say, the thought of the wealthy dot com guys think that we all must merge with AI's (in part because they is no other fail safe on them) in order to live forever.....ummmmmmmm.......no thanks!!! I am with the psalmist who says:
v. 15 "But God will redeem me from the realm of the dead; he will surely take me to himself"
The psalmist gives many encouragements not to envy the rich....even to the last verse
v. 20 "People who have wealth but lack understanding are like the beasts that perish."
So my application is to remember this when tempted to envy those who have money.
Good!4/16/17 Psalm 50
Such a mighty picture of God It probably is not true but verses 3 & 4 remind me a little of when God will end this universe in fire:
v. 3 "........a fire devours before him, and around him a tempest rages. 4 He summons the heavens above, and the earth, that he may judge his people"
v. 12 & 13 show that the Jewish sacrifices for sin did not truly atone for sins
v. 12 "If I were hungry I would not tell you, for the world is mine, and all that is in it. 13 Do I eat the flesh of bulls or drink the blood of goats?"
But if we are to offer any type of 'sacrifices it should be of 'thanksgiving' which is my application....to count my blessings and offer thanksgiving for them.
v. 23 "Those who sacrifice thank offerings honor me, and to the blameless I will show my salvation.”
Asaph described a courtroom scene in which the Mighty One, God, the Lord—three designations for the Lord—came to judge. Everyone on the earth, from east to west, was summoned before Him. As He comes to judge, His presence is accompanied by devouring fire and a raging tempest. These phenomena, frequently accompanying theophanies, signify His consuming judgment. Asaph then visualized the participants in the case. The inhabitants of the universe will be the witnesses (the heavens and the earth standing for the inhabitants of each). When He judges His people, all the universe will witness it. The defendants in the case will be the saints, who have made a covenant with Him. And God is the righteous Judge. With this scene envisioned, Asaph then reported the Lord’s two charges against His people (vv. 7–15 and 16–23). The charge was given as a word from God, their God, so they would take heed. God did not reprove them, however, for their meticulous keeping of the letter of the Law in offering the prescribed sacrifices. But Israel failed to realize that God did not need their bulls or goats, for He is the Lord of all Creation. He already owns every animal and knows every bird. He instituted the sacrifices not because He needed the animals but because the people desperately needed Him. He is not like the gods of the pagans who supposedly thrived on food sacrifices. The Lord does not depend on man’s worship for survival. Psalm 50:14–15. Israel should offer their sacrifices of thanksgiving from a genuine trust in the Lord. The solution to formalism is to worship in genuine faith, which is why Asaph called on the people to sacrifice thank offerings. Such an offering could not be given unless the offerer had experienced God’s work on his behalf. If he was in distress and called on God, the Lord would answer. Then the offerer would praise the Lord as a spontaneous expression of his enjoyment of God’s benefits. If the people had been praising they would have enjoyed His benefits, not worshiping in an empty ritualistic form. Psalm 50:16–17. Asaph, announcing God’s second charge, decried the nation’s hypocritical living. He first rebuked the wicked for reciting His laws and speaking of His covenant as their profession of faith, for they actually hated God’s instruction. Though these wicked people assembled with those who loved the Lord, God knew their hearts. Psalm 50:18–21. The psalmist then selected several examples of their wickedness. While appearing righteous, they tolerated and took part in theft (cf. Ex. 20:15), adultery (cf. Ex. 20:14), and slander (cf. Ex. 20:16). He warned them not to confuse God’s patience with His approval. God’s silence did not mean that He agreed with their actions. Instead the Lord would rebuke them directly (to your face). Psalm 50:22–23. Asaph instructed the hypocrites to consider their ways before it was too late. Again he called on them to sacrifice thank offerings (cf. comments on v. 14) from hearts that are right with God. So the psalm indicts God’s people for formalism and hypocrisy in worship. Jesus’ advice to “worship in spirit and in truth” (John 4:24) provides the proper correctives for these faults. The Bible Knowledge Commentary
Western society, with all its culture and scientific knowledge, is in the same satanic trap that governs the life of an aborigine bowing down to a rock. We all have our gods. Many worship the god of materialism—getting more stuff is their highest pursuit. Others worship the gods of sex or entertainment. Of course, behind all of this is the worship of self. However, the essence of idolatry is possessing thoughts about God that are unworthy of Him. It may be creating a god, but it also may be making the true God into something He isn’t, or thinking something about God that is untrue. As we learn about God, ask Him to remove misconceptions you may have about Him. Be diligent to learn what God says about Himself & not what you or others think He is like. Strength for today.
What does it mean to praise God? According to the Bible, praise involves three things: 1. Reciting God’s attributes. One great reason to study the OT is that it so powerfully reveals the character of God, enabling us to praise Him better. 2. Reciting God’s works. The psalms are filled with lists of the great things God has done. When you praise God for all that He has done, your problems pale in comparison. Remembering God’s past performance glorifies Him and strengthens our faith. 3. Giving thanks for God’s attributes and works. At the heart of praise is thanksgiving. Praising God gives Him glory. Psalm 50:23 —The one who offers thanksgiving as his sacrifice glorifies me; to one who orders his way rightly I will show the salvation of God!” No matter what happens in our lives, we are to express our thanks to Him for all His attributes and gracious works. Truth for today
4/17/17 Psalm 51
Wow! This psalm is filled with sooooo much! So many beloved verses.
v. 1 & 2 begging God to have mercy on the psalmist's sins.....something I believe all believers have felt at one time or another, I surely have.
V. 3 & 4 speak about how our sins effect us, but more to the point, how we have sinned against God.....sometimes we might think or I sinned against so and so ( and we did) but ultimately all sins are against the Lord.
v. 5 & 6 explains we were born with a sin nature.....when we see precious little babies it is sometimes easy to be deceived and think they are totally innocent. For sure they don't have much ability to act at all on their sin nature, but it is there and soon as they gain strength ....think of a 2 year old, it becomes clear we don't have to carefully teach children to be naughty, rather the reverse!
And how many times have we heard, sung, and prayed v. 7
v. 7".........wash me, and I will be whiter than snow."
well v. 8 has that joy word again LOL in fact it even mentions crushed bones rejoicing!!!
and v. 9 also echo a plea of mine for God to hide His face from my sins ( which He does, because He see Jesus righteousness and not my sins)!
and verses 9-11 are sooooo familiar ( and there is another joy word)
( who knew they were all here in psalm 51.... oh that's right, I know you did :-)
v. 10 "Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. 11 Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. 12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me."
and how many times have we Christians prayed and thought on v. 17
v. 17 "My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise."
Having a broken heart over our sins we committed against the Lord ( who suffered for all of them for us....me.....) He will not despise... but take pity on me and all who have a contrite heart.
I think my application is to write these out and think on them and to find the joy in the fact that the Lord does not despise those who trust Him for their broken hearts over their (my) sins....that I still have. I'll have to comment on this one tomorrow hon. Sorry about that..... But am looking foward to hearing what you have to say about what we're talking about - the stuff I posted about today.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 17, 2017 20:14:07 GMT -5
I had not thought about it, but you are right, I do wake up groggy ( Leonard thinks best in the morning, I need a couple of hours to clear away the cobwebs.) And I often do not feel very good first thing upon waking....not just emotionally but physically.
I will also begin to identify what I am thinking when I wake up......I have always thought of it as just a 'feeling' of depression or perhaps sadness, hopelessness, etc.
But again, I think you are especially right when you said the enemy wants me to think it will never change!!!!
However you also had a really good point when you wrote:
"One thing that helps is knowing that you have something you love to do waiting for you each day. The best thing to love to do is of course to spend time with the Lord and to be looking forward to doing that and seeing what He has for you to do that day, and wondering if maybe this is the day He will come for us."
There are times when I do think, oh it will be nice today, I can go out in work in the garden, but upon waking, I don't have the passion for it, that I did looking forward to it the night before.
Sometimes, I feel overwhelmed because there are sooooooooooooo many things I should do, and I just feel defeated because I know I am not going to do them all and they all need to get down, and that is a downer.
I have to choose which things I can do, but that means the other things will once not get done!!!!!! So tho I do sometimes feel happy that this or that 'FINALLY' got done....another day has gone by without doing this and that and that and this.
Then if I am hurting too, and feeling old....a part of me sometimes ( instead of looking up at the blessings God has provided) I wake up with a dread feeling of: Oh.....I am still here, I am still hurting, I am older and uglier....all 'I, me, my' words, I won't get the things done I so wanted to do, I am useless, etc. and I wonder why am I still here Lord? What do you want me to do today?
Then I make an effort to corral those bummer thoughts and replace them, and finally manage to drag myself up and slowly begin to have a changed attitude....but I don't know how to stop the beginning of it......the first few seconds....of Oh no, I am still here and things are not good because I can't........whatever.
I liked what what said about what constituted praise Oh maybe I should read a verse about praise or joy before bed.
I do sometimes listen to hymns or praise music, but again, if I am short on time, I often choose to listen to a MacArthur sermon, or read Christian novel, but.....I just realized.....I do have some unaccounted for time, that I play online spider solitaire (with all 4 suits the hardest version) I could take ...at least...... 1/2 of that time and listen to hymns....I only just now thought of that.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 18, 2017 11:49:10 GMT -5
So last night I listened to about 6 classic hymns and it was uplifting, and I did talk to Leonard and he was very good about it too.....so thank you so much This morning there was only just a slight bit of down feeling.....maybe just a few seconds of 'depression' which I took the thought captive and sang to myself and when I got up first thing ( after praying) on the computer instead of a quick peek at the news headlines I listen to a few more classic hymns, wne to FH saw your PM, posted a brief note and then a very quick peek at news and made breakfast and read while eating, but am back here now.
I started to have a little bit of envy that our daughter-in-law was there, and was with Liam etc.
But I knew that was wrong and sinful ( I prayed for her) and I knew Jessica needed her mom.....
Besides tho in a way ( because I can't really know until some future)....
my prayers ( for Liam, Michael, Jessica, and now her mom) will have even more effect, than even being there.
I am not sure but I don't 'think' Jessica's mom is a believer....wouldn't I be surprised if she was. I guess I came to that conclusion because she would ( even before they were married) take them to various places in US for trips for gambling....and that is in fact where they got married ...in Reno. Hossanah told me a lot of young people do that because of finances....well in the photos it sort of looked like a chapel with what looked to be a 'pastor' so????
But I really have no idea....so before I took thoughts captive I was thinking Liam is only surrounded by non-believers....but God may place some nurses who are believers to be caring for him...and even if they cannot pray aloud for him, they may pray silently for him or even say Biblical principals to him when no when else is there to be offended. Plus as you mentioned he has a guardian angel ( as well as the Lord Himself).
I do not want to be bitter and deny his other grandmother time with him...and even if I was there, I doubt Jessica would be at all happy if I started talking to Liam about Jesus!!!
So maybe my prayers here are the best.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 18, 2017 11:59:57 GMT -5
4/18/17 Psalm 52
This psalm is a really scathing rebuke of the evil doer... who practices deceit love evil rather than good falsehood rather than speaking the truth trusted in his great wealth grew strong by destroying others etc.
But v. 5 shows their future if they do not repent:
"Surely God will bring you down to everlasting ruin..."
Verses 8 & 9 hold my application to do as the psalmist:
v.8 "....I trust in God’s unfailing love for ever and ever. 9 For what you have done I will always praise you in the presence of your faithful people. And I will hope in your name, for your name is good."
Trust in God's unfailing love...my love will fail but the Lord's love never fails ever!
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Post by Cindy on Apr 19, 2017 11:47:39 GMT -5
I had not thought about it, but you are right, I do wake up groggy ( Leonard thinks best in the morning, I need a couple of hours to clear away the cobwebs.) And I often do not feel very good first thing upon waking....not just emotionally but physically.
I will also begin to identify what I am thinking when I wake up......I have always thought of it as just a 'feeling' of depression or perhaps sadness, hopelessness, etc.
But again, I think you are especially right when you said the enemy wants me to think it will never change!!!! However you also had a really good point when you wrote:
"One thing that helps is knowing that you have something you love to do waiting for you each day. The best thing to love to do is of course to spend time with the Lord and to be looking forward to doing that and seeing what He has for you to do that day, and wondering if maybe this is the day He will come for us." There are times when I do think, oh it will be nice today, I can go out in work in the garden, but upon waking, I don't have the passion for it, that I did looking forward to it the night before.
Sometimes, I feel overwhelmed because there are sooooooooooooo many things I should do, and I just feel defeated because I know I am not going to do them all and they all need to get down, and that is a downer.
I have to choose which things I can do, but that means the other things will once not get done!!!!!! So tho I do sometimes feel happy that this or that 'FINALLY' got done....another day has gone by without doing this and that and that and this.
Then if I am hurting too, and feeling old....a part of me sometimes ( instead of looking up at the blessings God has provided) I wake up with a dread feeling of: Oh.....I am still here, I am still hurting, I am older and uglier....all 'I, me, my' words, I won't get the things done I so wanted to do, I am useless, etc. and I wonder why am I still here Lord? What do you want me to do today?
Then I make an effort to corral those bummer thoughts and replace them, and finally manage to drag myself up and slowly begin to have a changed attitude....but I don't know how to stop the beginning of it......the first few seconds....of Oh no, I am still here and things are not good because I can't........whatever.
I liked what what said about what constituted praise Oh maybe I should read a verse about praise or joy before bed.
I do sometimes listen to hymns or praise music, but again, if I am short on time, I often choose to listen to a MacArthur sermon, or read Christian novel, but.....I just realized.....I do have some unaccounted for time, that I play online spider solitaire (with all 4 suits the hardest version) I could take ...at least...... 1/2 of that time and listen to hymns....I only just now thought of that.
It's good then that we've identified that, as a long time ago you may have mistaken that for depression and just kind of lumped it all together as depression, not realizing it was perfectly normal to wake up that way and had nothing at all to do with depression. Instead it's simply how your body (and mine too) deals with waking up. We can't just open our eyes, jump out of bed and go running off to get things done any longer. Instead we have to take things slowly, and like you perfectly described it: clear away the cobwebs of sleep first.
Because of our illnesses, our bodies don't feel well at any time really, including when we first wake up. Most people wake up feeling fairly good physically, but that's not for us any longer. One thing that can help is to make a commitment about how you're going to deal with your physical illnesses and pain. I know we've discussed this in other ways before, but I'm not sure if you've ever actually consciously made a commitment about it yourself. It's not something most people have to do and not something most would even consider. But we have to because this is something that's not going to go away. We have to decide how we're going to deal with our illness and pain on a daily basis. What do we want our life to be like? Obviously, we won't be able to do the things we used to do, or at least we won't be able to do them the same way or in the same amount. We can't change that, so we must decide how we're going to react to it. Are we going to be angry? Are we going to just give up and be needy - making others do for us and refusing to help ourselves? Are we going to feel sorry for ourselves and make sure everyone else around us knows just how miserable we are? Of course if we do that, no one will want to be around us at all after awhile, so that's kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face, yet people do it all the time.
Or, are we going to talk to the Lord about it and tell Him that we know He loves us and would never cause us pain, but that we also know that when we are caused pain by others or by our bodies breaking down due to sin in the world, that He will use it for His glory and our good. And that we can know we are among the very few privileged ones that He allows this to happen to, so He can make known the riches of His glory through us.
We know that the Lord has placed us exactly where He wants us to be, in the safest and best condition for us to be in. If some other condition or situation would have been better for us, then the Lord would have placed us there. We can know though that we are in the situation we're in because this is what we need and where we need to be right now in order for our loving Father to transform us to be more like Christ. Therefore we can be content with our lot in life for we know the Lord has ordained it for our good. Knowing all this, and confirming it all with Him, we can then commit to facing the illness and pain each day with a smile and determine to do our best in everything we do each day, because we're doing it for the Lord who loves us. We can therefore even do our best to rest when rest is what our bodies need, because it is the Lord we are resting for. We can commit to daily showing others the love of God and the grace of our Lord Jesus in all our actions and words every day regardless of the pain or illness. Just by smiling every day instead of crying, and doing the best we can at whatever we're doing, we can show others that there is joy to be had in this life when we walk with the Lord every day, even if we're in pain.
Good! I have a feeling that Satan has snuck in there when you weren't looking and just added those thoughts, so we'll take care of them together if you'll share them with me.
You said: "Sometimes, I feel overwhelmed because there are sooooooooooooo many things I should do, and I just feel defeated because I know I am not going to do them all and they all need to get down, and that is a downer. I have to choose which things I can do, but that means the other things will once not get done!!!!!! So tho I do sometimes feel happy that this or that 'FINALLY' got done....another day has gone by without doing this and that and that and this." I know what you mean. This too is normal for all of us who live with pain and illness, regardless of our age. There are 70 and 80 year olds that are in perfect health and look like they're in their 40's or 50's and are more active then many who are in their 20's! (I saw one on the news just the other night) I honestly think that you're allowing yourself to think that your age - the number of years you have lived so far - is the cause of your problems. But we have to remember that God is in control. Not our bodies, not doctors, not the government, not anyone but God. Some folks live to be over a hundred and are in complete control of their minds and bodies and take care of themselves, not needing any outside help. Other people die anytime after birth, and people get sick and live with pain at every single age from birth on. It's kind of sad, because some of these healthy people who live to ripe old ages doing things that many people much younger can't do, are unsaved. They don't even realize that the good life they've had has been given them by a God who loves them because He knows they won't accept His Son and His offer of Salvation and will spend eternity in Hell. So He gives them a good life now because that's the only good they'll ever know.
Yes, eventually this body will break down and die because of sin in the world - unless Jesus comes first anyway. But much of what you are experiencing is also experienced by people who are in their 20's, and on up, and they're no where near "old age". Age is really nothing more than a number in your head. If you think a certain age is "old", then that's old age for you. But another person may think that a person isn't "old" until they're 90 and so for that person, that's what old age is. It's really kind of silly for us to worry about though since we're never going to die anyway. Yes, our body will die, but we won't. I think that's what you really need to reflect on a lot until you can truly know that you are not your body. You have to be aware that if your arm got cut off, it wouldn't alter who you are. You would still be you. The same is true if your legs got cut off, of various organs were removed. Nor does your body represent you in this life. Your hair isn't "you". None of the parts of your body are "you". Your body is simply the clothes you're currently wearing. The good news is that when this body wears out, we will be given a new one to wear forever, that will never wear out. That alone tells us that everything about this life is temporary. Our body is temporary, the pain and illness we have now is temporary, and this part of our lives are temporary. It's like the Lord has given us play clothes to wear that we can get dirty while we grow up and learn how to be adults in His Kingdom. Then, when He decides we're ready, He gives us our new Sunday best clothes to wear - a new body, with no spot or blemish, that will last us for all eternity as we live a life of joy purpose with the Lord who loves us.
For here and now though, it's ok if we don't get everything done like we used to be able to. I know how it frustrating it is because I feel the same way. I have to remind myself that God is well aware of what I'm capable of what I'm not. And that He doesn't expect me to do all those things. I'm the one that expects or wants it, not Him. So I have to stop myself and remember to be content with what I can do now and know that what I can do now is what God wants me to do and nothing more. Same is true for you. All He asks firsts is that we spend time with Him in His Word, and then after that, do whatever He gives us to do that day, and do it for Him and His glory. One other thing to remember is that every single day that we wake up means we have one more day that we can serve Him - our serving Him may simply be resting and talking to Him as we do, or whatever we're able to do that day, but we need to know that the reason we woke up is because God has something else He wants us to do. That "something" may be no more than smiling at someone we see that day. We may never know what it is, but as long as we wake up, it means that God has a reason for us to be here. When our job is done, that will be the day that we won't wake up here, we'll wake up in Heaven with a new body instead. (And it's perfectly ok to let the Lord know that you can't wait to be with Him for real and get your new body, but not to put down what He has us here to do now or the body he's given us to do it in. We can tell Him we hurt and ask for relief etc, but we shouldn't tell Him we hate our body - you know what I mean though.)
You said: "Then if I am hurting too, and feeling old....a part of me sometimes ( instead of looking up at the blessings God has provided) I wake up with a dread feeling of: Oh.....I am still here, I am still hurting, I am older and uglier....all 'I, me, my' words, I won't get the things done I so wanted to do, I am useless, etc. and I wonder why am I still here Lord? What do you want me to do today? Then I make an effort to corral those bummer thoughts and replace them, and finally manage to drag myself up and slowly begin to have a changed attitude....but I don't know how to stop the beginning of it......the first few seconds....of Oh no, I am still here and things are not good because I can't........whatever."
That's great that you do take those thoughts captive and replace them! But now that you've learned to do that - and you should continue to do so, we can also go beyond that. First though I wanted to remember to tell you something I discovered about taking thoughts captive and replacing them. I found out that Martin Luther who lived from November 10, 1483 to February 18, 1546 also wrote a great deal about taking our thoughts captive and replacing them!
First, this is where it helps when you know that every day you're going to spend time with the Lord you love and who loves you. It's another reason why it's good to have your time with the Lord when you first get up, because when you can know that when you wake up, the Lord who loves you is there waiting for you and can't wait to spend time with you, that helps make your day bright and happy right off the bat. It's wonderful to wake up and say, "Good morning Lord! This is the day that You have made and I will be glad and rejoice in it! " I quite literally wrote that out and put it on my nightstand, and reminded myself until I fell asleep at night that that was the first thing I wanted to think when I woke up. It took quite awhile to happen, but eventually I was able to make that the way I woke up. It became a habit. Of course Satan didn't like that at all, which is why it took awhile before I was able to do it consistently, but it can be done if you persevere and keep at it. It won't help though unless you really mean what you're saying. We can't tell the lord that we will be glad and rejoice in the day He has given us, and then turn around and start grumbling about something. (well, we can start grumbling and often do, but then we have to repent and remember that we said we'd be glad and rejoice in this day lol)
As far as the thoughts about you being ugly, you really need to fight those poisonous thoughts constantly during the day. We don't need the so called beauty of this world. When God created Adam and Eve, they were truly beautiful. I imagine that if we could see what they looked like before they sinned, we would probably think they looked like gods. But sin killed that beauty and turned it into something that isn't real. The world's idea of beauty is a mockery of real beauty. But one day, when we get our new bodies, we will be truly beautiful, just like Adam and Eve were at first. Until then, we can remember what was said about our Lord: “He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.” (Isaiah 53:2) Here's other translations of the last part of that verse: KJV 1873 | He hath no form nor comeliness; And when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. NASB95 | He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. NET | he had no stately form or majesty that might catch our attention, no special appearance that we should want to follow him. NLT | There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothing to attract us to him
So if it pleased the Father to not give Jesus anything about his body that we would think of as especially attractive of handsome, or beautiful, then why would we want to have those things for our body now? If an unbeautiful body (for lack of a better word) was good enough for Jesus, shouldn't it be good enough for us? And if we are to be content with what we have, doesn't that include our bodies as well? God created each of our bodies specifically for us to use in this part of our lives, and created our bodies the way they are for a good reason. Who are we to dislike what He created us to look like? Who are we to argue with Him that we would look better or be better if this or that was different? Again, He created us the way He did for a good reason. Just because we don't know the reason doesn't make it not true or not good. We also know that created us the way He did out of His love for us, and knowing exactly what we need and what we could and couldn't handle. So when we put ourselves down or dislike the looks of our current body, it's a slap in His face. We are also told to rejoice and give thanks in all things, and that too includes the body He created for us. So to disapprove of our body, to think it's not right or not good enough in whatever way, is again the opposite of what our reaction should be to the God who loves us. The thoughts about our body not being beautiful or of being ugly are from Satan and are quite literally poisonous thoughts. They get into our minds and corrupt everything they touch. We especially need to take them captive and replace them with words of praise and thanksgiving for the body the Lord has lovingly given us to use. I would strongly suggest that you spend time every day working on this too.
About listening to hymns or worship music. I didn't mean you couldn't do other things at the same time. You could be playing that music while you wash dishes or clean the house or babysit or play your card games or whatever. Sure, it's good as well to really get into it and sing along and praise the Lord and worship Him regularly too, but I was speaking of having praise and worship music or hymns being a part of your daily life. I used to listen to music that was composed around God's Word. They literally sang the bible! It's a great way to memorize verses for one thing and hide them in your heart. But it's also very uplifting. so I listen to that as well as praise and worship and hymns. There honestly isn't any better way to fight off Satan, the world or our flesh! So the more you can do that, the better it will be.
All these things will work together to help you overcome that feeling down in the morning - or any other time for that matter. This too is something I'd strongly suggest that you do regularly. God doesn't ask us to praise Him because He's got an ego problem, or because He needs the praise. He tells us to praise Him because it's something we need in order to be whole and healthy spiritually, emotionally, and even physically. . So last night I listened to about 6 classic hymns and it was uplifting, and I did talk to Leonard and he was very good about it too.....so thank you so much This morning there was only just a slight bit of down feeling.....maybe just a few seconds of 'depression' which I took the thought captive and sang to myself and when I got up first thing ( after praying) on the computer instead of a quick peek at the news headlines I listen to a few more classic hymns, wne to FH saw your PM, posted a brief note and then a very quick peek at news and made breakfast and read while eating, but am back here now.
I started to have a little bit of envy that our daughter-in-law was there, and was with Liam etc.
But I knew that was wrong and sinful ( I prayed for her) and I knew Jessica needed her mom.....
Besides tho in a way ( because I can't really know until some future)....
my prayers ( for Liam, Michael, Jessica, and now her mom) will have even more effect, than even being there.
I am not sure but I don't 'think' Jessica's mom is a believer....wouldn't I be surprised if she was. I guess I came to that conclusion because she would ( even before they were married) take them to various places in US for trips for gambling....and that is in fact where they got married ...in Reno. Hossanah told me a lot of young people do that because of finances....well in the photos it sort of looked like a chapel with what looked to be a 'pastor' so????
But I really have no idea....so before I took thoughts captive I was thinking Liam is only surrounded by non-believers....but God may place some nurses who are believers to be caring for him...and even if they cannot pray aloud for him, they may pray silently for him or even say Biblical principals to him when no when else is there to be offended. Plus as you mentioned he has a guardian angel ( as well as the Lord Himself).
I do not want to be bitter and deny his other grandmother time with him...and even if I was there, I doubt Jessica would be at all happy if I started talking to Liam about Jesus!!!
So maybe my prayers here are the best. The Good Lord knows what He's doing. Remember I was also surrounded by people who weren't saved, and not only that but my mother spoke like she hated God. And yet, here I am lol. It's not just me though. This happens with many people. Every person that's saved is miraculous. That's why I love reading testimonies. The Lord is in control and we can count on Him! 4/18/17 Psalm 52
This psalm is a really scathing rebuke of the evil doer... who practices deceit love evil rather than good falsehood rather than speaking the truth trusted in his great wealth grew strong by destroying others etc.
But v. 5 shows their future if they do not repent:
"Surely God will bring you down to everlasting ruin..."
Verses 8 & 9 hold my application to do as the psalmist:
v.8 "....I trust in God’s unfailing love for ever and ever. 9 For what you have done I will always praise you in the presence of your faithful people. And I will hope in your name, for your name is good."
Trust in God's unfailing love...my love will fail but the Lord's love never fails ever!
Amen! Very good!4/17/17 Psalm 51
Wow! This psalm is filled with sooooo much! So many beloved verses.
v. 1 & 2 begging God to have mercy on the psalmist's sins.....something I believe all believers have felt at one time or another, I surely have.
V. 3 & 4 speak about how our sins effect us, but more to the point, how we have sinned against God.....sometimes we might think or I sinned against so and so ( and we did) but ultimately all sins are against the Lord.
v. 5 & 6 explains we were born with a sin nature.....when we see precious little babies it is sometimes easy to be deceived and think they are totally innocent. For sure they don't have much ability to act at all on their sin nature, but it is there and soon as they gain strength ....think of a 2 year old, it becomes clear we don't have to carefully teach children to be naughty, rather the reverse!
And how many times have we heard, sung, and prayed v. 7
v. 7".........wash me, and I will be whiter than snow."
well v. 8 has that joy word again LOL in fact it even mentions crushed bones rejoicing!!!
and v. 9 also echo a plea of mine for God to hide His face from my sins ( which He does, because He see Jesus righteousness and not my sins)!
and verses 9-11 are sooooo familiar ( and there is another joy word)
( who knew they were all here in psalm 51.... oh that's right, I know you did :-)
v. 10 "Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. 11 Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. 12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me."
and how many times have we Christians prayed and thought on v. 17
v. 17 "My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise."
Having a broken heart over our sins we committed against the Lord ( who suffered for all of them for us....me.....) He will not despise... but take pity on me and all who have a contrite heart.
I think my application is to write these out and think on them and to find the joy in the fact that the Lord does not despise those who trust Him for their broken hearts over their (my) sins....that I still have. Here's some notes about the psalm for you, but keep in mind that David wrote this psalm after Nathan confronted him about his sins. I'm including some notes about counseling as I know you counsel others, as well as notes about parenting since you have grandchildren too.
In Psalm 51 David summarized the biblical view of sin. 1st, sin deserves judgment. True confession must begin with an admission of guilt. Second, sin demands cleansing. verse 2. True confession acknowledges the defilement sin causes, and it pleads for God’s cleansing (1 John 1:7, 9). Third, sin is our responsibility. verses 1 and 3. True confession does not blame others for sin. Fourth, all sin is ultimately against God. (v. 4). True confession recognizes God as the supreme Lawgiver. Fifth, sin is part of human nature. verse 5. True confession looks inward for the cause of sin, not to external factors. Strength for today.
True confession requires not only a proper view of sin, but also a proper view of God. David gives us an understanding of four essential truths about God. 1st, God is holy. Affirming God’s omniscience, David declared, “Behold, Thou dost desire truth in the innermost being, and in the hidden part Thou wilt make me know wisdom” (v. 6). David knew that because God is holy, He is never satisfied with mere external behavior. 2nd, God is powerful. (vv. 7–8). David believed God had the power to change him—unlike some who think their sinful habits are too strong for Him to overcome. Third, God will chastise believers for their sins. David pleaded with God, “Let the bones which Thou hast broken rejoice” (v. 8). He alluded to the way shepherds sometimes dealt with wayward sheep. They'd take such troublesome sheep & break one of their legs. Then they'd set the leg & carry the sheep while the leg healed. Afterwards the sheep would remain close to the shepherd. Through this picturesque metaphor, David described God’s chastisement of him for his sin. Fourth, God is a forgiving God. (vv. 9, 14). David obviously believed God would forgive his sin or he would never have asked Him for forgiveness.
True confession involves a proper understanding of oneself. The supreme goal pursued by many in our narcissistic culture is a “healthy” self–esteem. Even Christians have jumped on the self–esteem bandwagon, misconstruing Jesus’ command to “love your neighbor as yourself” (Matt. 19:19) as a mandate for self–love. But the Bible nowhere commands us to pursue self–esteem; instead, it commands us to be holy (1 Peter 1:16). David gives three reasons why holiness is imperative in the life of every Christian. First, because of unbelievers. David knew he could be a witness for God only if his life was holy. Second, because of God. In verse 14 David acknowledged that only when his life was pure could he praise God. David attested that God desires holiness of life, not conformity to external ritual, in His children. When believers lead holy lives, God is pleased; when they sin, He is dishonored (2 Sam. 12:14). Third, because of other Christians. Believers’ sin always affects, directly or indirectly, other Christians. Strength for today.
Confession involves a rejection of the pattern that was first established in the Garden of Eden. There, Adam and Eve refused to acknowledge their sin, but instead shifted the responsibility to someone else. Confession is saying the same thing that God says about one’s sin. It is to plead guilty to the charges made by conscience. This concept of confession is crucial to biblical counseling. By confession of sin alone may Christians stand right before God. Confession and forgiveness through Christ relieve the pressures which bring about psychosomatic effects of sin. Competent to counsel:
If you want to have a decreasing frequency of sin in your life and an increasing amount of spiritual growth, you must acknowledge your responsibility. Don’t blame your circumstances, your husband, your wife, your boyfriend, your girlfriend, your boss, your employees, or your pastor. Don’t even blame the devil. Your sin is your fault. Certainly the world’s system can contribute to the problem, but sin ultimately occurs as an act of the will—and you are responsible for it. Perhaps one of the best examples of someone who learned how to take responsibility was the prodigal son. When he returned home to his loving father, he said, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your son” (Luke 15:21). He was even willing to be treated as a humble laborer because he knew he didn’t deserve anything (v. 19). That is the right attitude of one who confesses sin. Truth for today
David didn't mean to imply that his wrongs against Uriah & Bathsheba could be confessed to God only. His words don't contradict James 5:16. David recognized that he'd done a terrible evil against both. What he was saying was "Lord, I recognize & acknowledge that I've violated your law, not simply man’s law. Against thee—that is, by your standards alone, God—do I judge myself; for against your standards have I sinned. I've violated your holy law. I confess that I'm truly a vile sinner, for my sin is a direct affront to you. What I've done is heinous, for I've violated divine, not human, law. When you pronounced a verdict against me through Nathan, I acknowledged that your verdict was true & I agree with it. Competent to counsel
God’s truth, woven richly into your innermost being, is the foundation for freedom. God wants His truth to sink deep to establish His perfect wisdom in your mind and heart. When you understand the truth of your position in Christ, you understand that you are sealed by the Holy Spirit—that you are secure in the family of God. No act or thought can ever alienate you from the love of God. You no longer have to depend on others or other things for your identity. You belong to Christ; You are His and He is yours. When you understand the truth of your personhood in Christ, your feelings of inferiority can dissolve. You are of infinite worth to God who died on your behalf. It is not your income level or social status that determines your value; it is God’s estimation of your life. You are so valuable to Him that He desires your company for all eternity. When you understand the truth of your possessions in Christ, any incompetency or inadequacy you may feel is overcome. You have everything you need in the indwelling Christ. He makes you adequate for every demand. Enter His gates:
One piece of evidence of kingdom life is that you will see more sin, not less. Outside the kingdom of heaven, there is no concern about sin. Unbelievers are indifferent to the fact that their sin is against God. When you are brought into the kingdom of light, you both see sin and get in a battle with it. The battle means you are alive. The rules of engagement are simple. When you see sin, confess it as ultimately being against God. Respond in gratitude for the forgiveness he already gave you because of Jesus’ death, which was the payment for sins. Knowing that you have been given the Spirit so you can do battle with sin, you attack. Ask for the power to love. Ask others to pray for you and counsel you. Adopt a zero-tolerance policy with sin. When you fall in defeat, learn from it and get right back into the battle. You will see more and more sin, but you will also notice that the Spirit is changing you. There have been times when you responded in humility rather than arrogance, love rather than indifference or even hatred. The change will be gradual but noticeable. Keep your eyes open. How are you different because of what Jesus has done? When you see it, the apostle John says that you can allow that evidence to assure you that you truly belong to God. Heart of the matter
The natural response of forgiveness is to help others by sharing one’s own experience and specifically by counseling others in trouble. Competent to counsel:
One reason why parents fail in their attempts to counsel their children is because parents seldom share their failures with them. The sinning child needs to learn the consequences of failure in concrete ways, the problems failure brings, what to do to avoid failure, & how to deal with failure when it does occur. Mythical legends of parental success don't teach these principles. David strikes an entirely different note, a genuine counseling note. Out of his own sinful failure, David exhorts others to successful obedience. This is painful, as one can readily see in David’s poetic narrative, yet nouthetic concern will move a counselor to share even painful personal experiences whenever such sharing will help another. Notice also the directive nature of David’s counseling. 1st, the verbs “instruct” & “teach” are themselves directive words. They mean “instruct” & “train” or “drill” one in the way in which he is to go. The idea of restructuring another’s life is plainly evident. David went beyond this, saying, “Not only will I teach & drill you, but I'll guide you as well.” The training & instruction will be under David’s supervision. He'll follow the results & make sure that his instructions are being carried out: “I'll keep my eye on you.” Such counseling methods are appropriate only to nouthetic presuppositions. Competent to counsel:
“Deliver me from the guilt of shedding blood, O God” that is, from the consequences of the murder of Uriah. He cried, forgive me, relieve my soul of the burden of this guilt, And my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness. O Lord, open thou my lips and my mouth shall show forth thy praise. When forgiveness came, David was so happy that he sang aloud. Such joy—joy that makes one sing—is precisely what people who come for counseling seek. David pointed the way. Many cases can be cited which show exactly the same pattern. Clients who through nouthetic counseling have confessed hidden sin, have entered into happiness such as they had not known for a long time. The reversal of feeling from depression and despair to joy and singing can be sudden and rapid. In one instance a woman who had been trying to escape her responsibility during a difficult problem, when faced with these facts snapped back dramatically after the 2nd session. 2 weeks before, a psychiatrist had prescribed shock therapy. Competent to counsel
It's amazing when you realize how often the bible speaks about people singing to praise or thank the Lord. I think it's mentioned so often because it's so important for us to do in order to have and maintain emotional, spiritual, and physical health.
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Post by Cindy on Apr 19, 2017 11:49:04 GMT -5
I meant to say this before, but when you see this, which will probably be after you've already done another psalm, you can skip to Psalm 63 if you'd like to. Most importantly though I'd like to continue the talk about how you wake up in the morning, ok?
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Post by fearnot on Apr 19, 2017 21:51:59 GMT -5
Before I talk about some of the things you mentioned, I don't want to forget about on first waking up.
All of the things I mentioned and you so lovingly and kindly talked about, but yet still there is an aspect, that is hard to describe......
It truly 'seems' like it does not even involve any thought or thoughts...... It 'appears' to me like a sense of doom, gloom, sometimes like helpless hopelessness.....
That is before, I cry out to Jesus and/or wrong actual thoughts creep in.
I am pretty sure you will not cotton to my 'theory'....but I have often wondered if ( and honestly this is not from a pity poor me....but a real wondering) I wonder if because from being a baby to almost 6 and never knowing when the next day would come to be uprooted, leave whatever place and people I was with, to a whole new set.....
that somehow I learned a bad habit of gloom and doom, of lack of trust, and feeling of being unlovable or very bad......and each time it happened and because no one ( at least, I don't remember) told me it was not the case.....
I not only waited for the next hammer to drop and then I for sure also began to feel sorry for myself, had pity parties, etc. So that even when I got to my adopted parents, I still continued in that so much, that eventually, I didn't want to wake up.....I was afraid and angry, and bitter.... and eventually 'depressed' but the thoughts of 'why' I was afraid etc. went away, and just the gloomy down unhappy to face a morning remained?
Really tho I went to lots of psychs in the past, none of them were of any help....
it's only been from talking with you and looking at the sin, and from God's perspective and some actual real ways to truly be able to overcome, that I have felt I might have victory over the darkness with Jesus help.
for decades I had no real way of fighting it.....not really because I needed Biblical ways, and God's help. Even tho I did read, and study to Bible, I don't recall much at other bible studies that specifically dealt with this specific issue....other sins yes, but not some nebulous nefarious hard to explain, sense of gloom in the morning...along with all the other things we talked about...physical pain, not being able to do all I hope to accomplish etc etc.
I will do another post for the neat other things you posted because this was kind long winded LOL
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Post by fearnot on Apr 19, 2017 22:28:35 GMT -5
One of the things that occurred to me about your mentioning how pain can effect even the young......was little Liam having major surgery at 4 days old!! I don't know ( but I pray it will be true) if he will heal and be perfectly fine afterward, but I wondered since the surgeon said it was like connecting a fire hose to a straw....if he might have digestive problems for awhile or even all his life? maybe you have some insight to set my worries and fears at ease about that?
Anyway, one neat positive thing you said about waking up was that God still has something for us to do.....it may be we can't do much physically, but prayer can be a very powerful thing....and I was thinking being a prayer warrior is quite and honor!!
Another cool thing was you said, Jesus was waiting for us to get up to spend time with us!!! Wow! What an amazing thought!!! That is certainly a not gloomy thought....I wish someone had told me that years ago! So thank you so much!!
The reminder that Jesus had no physically 'beauty' was also very helpful! I wish you could expand on that more also.....about the world's beauty....
You know, it seems to be that even in Christian fiction novels.....the woman and men main characters are 99% beautiful....oh a few don't think they are, but we soon learn that they are in fact, drop deal gorgeous!!
Not only that, they may have a grandmother who is 'sweet', Godly, kind, quotes scripture and is wise etc. but almost always she is also plump, wrinkled, grey-haired, ...I understand that is just stating 'facts'.....but why do they always have to put almost more, or a lot, of focus on how old and frumpy, they are? Couldn't they show more of the beauty you talked about the friend you knew who at first was NOT pretty but within an hour with her, you began to see her as 'beautiful'......as God sees the elderly?
Anyway.....it just seems like the world's standard of beauty is even in Christian novels...novels which in ever other way, have great example of Biblical principals.
Which reminds me....even tho scripture says Jesus was not 'beautiful' almost all paintings depicting him do have him as mostly handsome, strong, manly, even 'beautiful' in some.....and the same in most movies etc.
I like very much how you explained God did not need our praise....like some egotistical being....WE need to praise...just like prayer is for our benefit....God already know, what we need and everybody else....He allows us the privilege and honor to be able to in some way join with Him and be with Him and communicate with Him.
Oh and it was also so helpful when you said we are not our bodies.
But why do so many people like to look at 'beauty'?
I do know that beauty ( some beautiful people) can be arrogant, cruel, even more self-centered than most, but also, they may be more fearful of losing their beauty so they must spend most of their time on maintaining.... kind the same way if you have a beautiful home and furniture and cars etc. A person has to spend sooooooo much time on up keep, that they don't have time to live, and enjoy their home, family, friends, etc.
I miss Eva.....its beginning to feel like she isn't coming back....I know she is really probably still struggling mightily with work, and so on.....
A part of me, loves having you all to myself.....but that is selfish and I really do so miss her,
yet I know people have left for one reason or another and then in a year so, they are back.... so I need to be patient.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 19, 2017 22:42:29 GMT -5
4/19/17 Psalm 63
Because I have already blabbed on and on and I have an early doc appointment tomorrow I may keep this a bit short
Still I love verse 3..... I know it is the absolute truth.....God's love IS better than life!!
and so another reason for giving Him glory....and in v. 4 for praising Him!!
3 Because your love is better than life, my lips will glorify you. 4 I will praise you as long as I live,
And v. 5 mentions singing...it was funny the other night a for maybe the first time sang to Leonard a refrain of a hymn and he said: "what a nice voice you have"
I was really stunned...I did not think so....I thought, I had the right tempo, timing and correct words.....but nice voice?????
v. 7...there I go....I can sing to Him in the shadow of His wings LOL In fact, I was thinking ( and later even said to Leonard) well, I think maybe Jesus appreciated my child-like effort at singing a psalm to Him ( and to Leonard) ( it was the "wash me and I will be whiter than snow one) Maybe in Heaven He will give me a truly lovely voice to sing to Him?
I also am pretty tired because today I had to clean the B& B apt ...a lot of it on my own.....usually Leonard and I do it together.....he did help but he had a ton of things he had to do today Anyway.....I am tired and achy and have to get up early to go to doc. sooooo
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Post by Cindy on Apr 20, 2017 9:21:32 GMT -5
Before I talk about some of the things you mentioned, I don't want to forget about on first waking up.
All of the things I mentioned and you so lovingly and kindly talked about, but yet still there is an aspect, that is hard to describe......
It truly 'seems' like it does not even involve any thought or thoughts...... It 'appears' to me like a sense of doom, gloom, sometimes like helpless hopelessness.....
That is before, I cry out to Jesus and/or wrong actual thoughts creep in.
I am pretty sure you will not cotton to my 'theory'....but I have often wondered if ( and honestly this is not from a pity poor me....but a real wondering) I wonder if because from being a baby to almost 6 and never knowing when the next day would come to be uprooted, leave whatever place and people I was with, to a whole new set.....
that somehow I learned a bad habit of gloom and doom, of lack of trust, and feeling of being unlovable or very bad......and each time it happened and because no one ( at least, I don't remember) told me it was not the case.....
I not only waited for the next hammer to drop and then I for sure also began to feel sorry for myself, had pity parties, etc. So that even when I got to my adopted parents, I still continued in that so much, that eventually, I didn't want to wake up.....I was afraid and angry, and bitter.... and eventually 'depressed' but the thoughts of 'why' I was afraid etc. went away, and just the gloomy down unhappy to face a morning remained?
Really tho I went to lots of psychs in the past, none of them were of any help....
it's only been from talking with you and looking at the sin, and from God's perspective and some actual real ways to truly be able to overcome, that I have felt I might have victory over the darkness with Jesus help.
for decades I had no real way of fighting it.....not really because I needed Biblical ways, and God's help. Even tho I did read, and study to Bible, I don't recall much at other bible studies that specifically dealt with this specific issue....other sins yes, but not some nebulous nefarious hard to explain, sense of gloom in the morning...along with all the other things we talked about...physical pain, not being able to do all I hope to accomplish etc etc.
I will do another post for the neat other things you posted because this was kind long winded LOL I think your theory is probably correct Barbara and I think the Lord led you to realize that. If you remember, we did talk about how past thoughts and feelings can stay with us for a long time and color the way we view things and how we feel. So what you're describing is exactly like that and you explained it very well. Sadly, because you hung on to that for so many years, it may take time for it to go away completely and for you to accept the changes the Lord has made within you, so that the old feeling is replaced with a new good one. It depends on you and the Lord really, and how much time you spend in His Word daily. That's one of the reasons I've constantly mentioned that the more time you spend in His Word, the faster the changes happen, since it's His Word that changes us. In view of what you've told me, I think making a commitment to the Lord to consciously choose to say and believe that "this is the day the Lord has made and I will rejoice and be glad in it", each morning when you wake up, will eventually help you overcome it. I don't mean it will help by itself, but along with being in His Word daily and talking to Him about it. What do you think? I'm curious too as to why you thought I wouldn't agree with what you thought? You know yourself much better than I ever can and the Lord speaks to you just as He does to me.....One of the things that occurred to me about your mentioning how pain can effect even the young......was little Liam having major surgery at 4 days old!! I don't know ( but I pray it will be true) if he will heal and be perfectly fine afterward, but I wondered since the surgeon said it was like connecting a fire hose to a straw....if he might have digestive problems for awhile or even all his life? maybe you have some insight to set my worries and fears at ease about that?
Anyway, one neat positive thing you said about waking up was that God still has something for us to do.....it may be we can't do much physically, but prayer can be a very powerful thing....and I was thinking being a prayer warrior is quite and honor!!
Another cool thing was you said, Jesus was waiting for us to get up to spend time with us!!! Wow! What an amazing thought!!! That is certainly a not gloomy thought....I wish someone had told me that years ago! So thank you so much!!
The reminder that Jesus had no physically 'beauty' was also very helpful! I wish you could expand on that more also.....about the world's beauty....
You know, it seems to be that even in Christian fiction novels.....the woman and men main characters are 99% beautiful....oh a few don't think they are, but we soon learn that they are in fact, drop deal gorgeous!!
Not only that, they may have a grandmother who is 'sweet', Godly, kind, quotes scripture and is wise etc. but almost always she is also plump, wrinkled, grey-haired, ...I understand that is just stating 'facts'.....but why do they always have to put almost more, or a lot, of focus on how old and frumpy, they are? Couldn't they show more of the beauty you talked about the friend you knew who at first was NOT pretty but within an hour with her, you began to see her as 'beautiful'......as God sees the elderly?
Anyway.....it just seems like the world's standard of beauty is even in Christian novels...novels which in ever other way, have great example of Biblical principals.
Which reminds me....even tho scripture says Jesus was not 'beautiful' almost all paintings depicting him do have him as mostly handsome, strong, manly, even 'beautiful' in some.....and the same in most movies etc.
I like very much how you explained God did not need our praise....like some egotistical being....WE need to praise...just like prayer is for our benefit....God already know, what we need and everybody else....He allows us the privilege and honor to be able to in some way join with Him and be with Him and communicate with Him.
Oh and it was also so helpful when you said we are not our bodies.
But why do so many people like to look at 'beauty'?
I do know that beauty ( some beautiful people) can be arrogant, cruel, even more self-centered than most, but also, they may be more fearful of losing their beauty so they must spend most of their time on maintaining.... kind the same way if you have a beautiful home and furniture and cars etc. A person has to spend sooooooo much time on up keep, that they don't have time to live, and enjoy their home, family, friends, etc.
I miss Eva.....its beginning to feel like she isn't coming back....I know she is really probably still struggling mightily with work, and so on.....
A part of me, loves having you all to myself.....but that is selfish and I really do so miss her,
yet I know people have left for one reason or another and then in a year so, they are back.... so I need to be patient. Concerning Liam, most babies grow up without any further digestive problems once the surgery is over. So just because he had surgery, doesn't mean he will have problems later, in fact, because of the surgery he shouldn't have any problems later, as that was the whole point of it.
Yes! Praying for others is a very serious and very honorable job! I remember after I got hurt and was beginning to get worse and had to start dropping out of things at church cause I couldn't do them anymore, I was talking about it with one of the elders and told them that as painful as it was to not be able to do the things I used to do at church like being on the worship team etc, that no matter what happened, there was one thing that Satan couldn't take from me and that was my ability to pray. I was absolutely determined that nothing would ever stop that because even if i got so bad that I couldn't get out of bed, I could still pray. And that's what I've done ever since. Although I rarely get out of the house, usually only once a week when we do the shopping, I pray for people I see on the street, or in the store, just whoever the Lord points out to me. I pray for the people I hear about on the news and the people Bruce works with. He tells me all that happens at his job every day, including who's sick, who's having family problems etc. then of course I still pray for you and all the regular members of FH and some that aren't regular members - again, whoever the Lord leads me to pray for. Then there's my neighbors and of course my own family, and the body of Christ in general. And my daughter is always calling me asking me to add people to my prayer list. Even Elijah and Grace ask me to pray for their teachers and friends, so i do. So the list is very long.
Yes, Jesus can't wait for us to wake up and spend time with Him every day. He just loves us so very much! I wanted to ask you before I forget, are you adding the things like this to your notebook so you won't forget them?
Concerning Christian authors and beauty - we have to remember that the authors, like us are also in various stages of their walk with the Lord. None of us is perfect and none of us will be until we get to Heaven. There may well be an author who shows beauty the way God does, but you may not have discovered them yet. I actually have read books where the author showed how a woman who wasn't beautiful according to the world standards, did seem that way to others because of who she was inside. It's hard for us to truly understand godly beauty when all we've been exposed to is earthly or worldly beauty. Plus, just as importantly, remember what the Lord tells us that we will find exactly what we are searching for. if we are searching to find ugliness, then that's what we'll find. If we are searching for beauty, then that's what we'll find. That's true even when we're reading a fiction book. See a lot of what you see as ugliness, others, including me, see as beautiful. If I allowed myself to dwell on it, I'd feel cheated that my hair isn't completely grey and that I don't look like the typical grandmother. I still look like I always have. What you see as ugly, I see as the way grandmas are supposed to look and the way my grandma looked. I little plump, grey hair and yes, even some wrinkles - to me that's grandma and grandma's equal love and love is beautiful. So you see how the way you feel about something colors what you see and think even when reading a fiction book. You see ugliness where others see love and beauty. God calls grey hair a crown, and I can't wait till I get mine! I'm 10 pounds overweight according to the world - well more then that even according to the world, but I don't care what the world says, because I know my Father made my body and it's comfortable at this weight. And besides that, my husband loves me even at this weight, so why should I worry about it? I don't lol. (but I used to before the Lord taught me otherwise)
Worldly beauty is one of the idols that many Americans have, just like others have the idol of money, power or fame. (or all the above) When I see people that the world considers beautiful, I don't see them that way at all. I see the poisonous lies they've accepted and what it's done to them. To me, beautiful is someone without makeup who you can see is innocent of those lies, someone who, like a child, accepts themselves the way the Lord made them and simply enjoys the life they've been given.
4/19/17 Psalm 63
Because I have already blabbed on and on and I have an early doc appointment tomorrow I may keep this a bit short
Still I love verse 3..... I know it is the absolute truth.....God's love IS better than life!!
and so another reason for giving Him glory....and in v. 4 for praising Him!!
3 Because your love is better than life, my lips will glorify you. 4 I will praise you as long as I live,And v. 5 mentions singing...it was funny the other night a for maybe the first time sang to Leonard a refrain of a hymn and he said: "what a nice voice you have"
I was really stunned...I did not think so....I thought, I had the right tempo, timing and correct words.....but nice voice?????
v. 7...there I go....I can sing to Him in the shadow of His wings LOL In fact, I was thinking ( and later even said to Leonard) well, I think maybe Jesus appreciated my child-like effort at singing a psalm to Him ( and to Leonard) ( it was the "wash me and I will be whiter than snow one) Maybe in Heaven He will give me a truly lovely voice to sing to Him?
I also am pretty tired because today I had to clean the B& B apt ...a lot of it on my own.....usually Leonard and I do it together.....he did help but he had a ton of things he had to do today Anyway.....I am tired and achy and have to get up early to go to doc. sooooo That's wonderful that you sang the psalm! Keep it up! And do keep listening to worship songs or hymns. There's nothing better than to have that in the background all the time even.
Yes, because His love is better than life is so very true.... we need to always remember that and really know that deep inside.
“My soul will be satisfied as with the richest of foods; with singing lips my mouth will praise you.” (Psalm 63:5)
Jesus was being accosted by the Tempter—Satan himself—when he cited this passage, “Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”” (Matthew 4:4) Fittingly, Jesus hadn’t eaten for forty days. No doubt, food was his primary need. But in the midst of near starvation, he said that there was something more important than food: to be strengthened by the Spirit of God as he rested on the very words of the Father. Spiritual food can seem unsatisfying at first, but have you ever had someone say to you, “I love you”? Wouldn’t you gladly pass on a buffet in order to hear such words? In Jesus’ case, this spiritual food was more important than physical life itself. Now we begin to understand how God remains faithful to his promises even when his people go hungry. The physical food points to something better. The apostle Paul often went hungry but he saw absolutely no contradiction between that and God’s generous care for his truest needs. Paul knew that, no matter how well fed, the physical body was inevitably going to die. But a fed spirit is satisfied for this life and the life to come. To make it more personal, if Paul had God, what else did he really need? Heart of the matter
As I was going over my memory verses today, it occurred to me that one of them might be really good for you and so would the verse that comes after it. Let me share them with you and you can decide if they might help you.
“I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”” (Galatians 2:20–21) When I read those verses, it reminds me that I live for Christ, not myself, and that He is living in me giving me what I need to live this life. The second one reminds me that although I still sin, even though I try not to, it's because righteousness can't be gained by my trying, but only through Christ who lived a perfect life for me. What do you think? Would it help you to remember these?
You can skip to psalm 65 next if you want and we'll just continue from there.
I started a new thread for us since this one is so long now, and copied my reply to that thread for you.
fresh-hope.com/thread/3437/daily-time-lord-2
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