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Post by fearnot on May 12, 2016 22:15:25 GMT -5
Today Thur. May 12th
I read Mark 6: 45-56
Speaking of Miracles, this is where He walks on water.
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Post by Cindy on May 13, 2016 9:56:52 GMT -5
I love that story!
Eva, and Barbara too... do you understand why God has planned for a 7 year tribulation? I'm just trying to find out where I need to start the study....
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Post by evafromgreece on May 13, 2016 15:16:23 GMT -5
Hey guys. - I studied Mark chapter 8-9. I dont have much to write on these, because they are describing things we discussed also in Matthew. One small thing though, chapter 8:31-33 reminded me of Matthew 27:51-53 and I forgot to mention this. So it says that the saints rose from the dead at the same time Jesus rose and people saw them? Can we discuss this? Thank you guys for making clear the things I didnt understood. Cindy, as for what I have read from the OT I have read the basic things from all the books, from a reading plan I followed , and all the chapters in Ruth, Job and Proverbs.
Apparently the graves were opened by the earthquake, which to the Jew's meant that the whole land was defiled. That's interesting because they had been fearful of leaving our Lord's body on the cross because they didn't want the land defiled by it. God showed them what He thought about the way they lived their religion by defiling the land with all the dead bodies.
Ι am not sure I understand the above . "Defile the land", like make it filthy? But how? Werent they supposed to burry them?
This also was a symbol of "death being swallowed up by victory" when Jesus died. Then, after Jesus was raised from the dead, all those righteous people, who's graves had been opened by the earthquake, were raised from the dead and came out of their graves, just like Lazarus had come out of his. They went into Jerusalem and many people saw them. They were resurrected after Jesus because Jesus was to be the first to be resurrected as the first one born from the dead. (Ac 26:23; 1 Co 15:20, 23; Col 1:18; Rev 1:5). They went into Jerusalem as witnesses to this, and many people, both believers and unbelievers saw them and could not deny it. Jesus however did not allow Himself to be seen in Jerusalem by any except His disciples and believers because Jerusalem had rejected Him and they were now under God's judgment. This was so well known at the time, so many people witnessed this, that the authors of the NT did not say much about it since everyone already knew about it.
I dont know why, but it seems strange to me why God allowed some people to be ressurected before others at this point. And can we assume who where they? And now they are just like we will be after the 2nd coming? (I am not sure if I use the correct term)
I'm afraid I don't understand what the "basic things" from all the books are... I've never heard it put that way. To most teachers and pastors, every word in the Old and New Testament is "basic" and to be read and studied.... I can't even imagine choosing some parts over others to leave out or put in.... Please know that God expects us to know all of His Word, not just parts of it. I think you already know that, but am saying it because of that study leaving parts out....that just amazes me, and I wouldn't want anyone else who might read this to think that it's ok to leave out any part of God's Word.
Do you remember about a year ago, when I asked about a reading plan to get an idea of the OT, because I didnt know anything at all? You gave me something from Bible gateway I think. I was supposed to do this in 3 months, I took me almost a year , because everything was new. I had to get some "basic" knowlegde, who was who, what people of OT basically did etc. Of course I have to study this again and the whole OT this time, but at that point with almost zero knowledge this was what I needed as a start.
Anyway, I guess the best way to do this is to explain it from the beginning. It's interesting to me that you asked because the Lord has been leading me to do this anyway. I just wasn't sure when or how. I guess He means now  What I have to figure out though is how to do this and still maintain this thread too.
Barbara, do you want to be part of this study about the tribulation etc. as well? Or have you had enough about that subject?
I can warn you right now that the study will take a long time for me to do. I'm going to try to make one post a day about it and I will try very hard to keep my posts fairly short so they won't take forever to read. No promises, but I'll do my best to do that. Next, I also have to determine where to put the thread. It could be in this forum or in the End Times, Rapture, Tribulation, Millennium, & Eternity forum. So give me a few days to figure it all out. Let's plan on starting it next Monday, ok?
Ok! It will be very helpful to make all these clear :) I studied Mark 10-13 One little thing. In Mark 13:24-27 again it seems to be talking about the rapture. I have this a bit complicated in my mind. 13:3-13 is He talking about the Jews or about the church? Will we face what Jesus was describing there? |
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Post by fearnot on May 13, 2016 22:23:49 GMT -5
Today
Fri May 13th
I read Mark 7:1-23
Jesus talks about what things really defiles.
when I got to the part about Corban, something I never quite got before, after reading McGee's commentary it made sense. I know it was clear all along but for some reason I never could put it together.
But it made me think about this fellow Leonard and I know who has been 'adopting' (via his giving money) to support girls in India.
He had a truly horrific childhood, and so he has remained bitter and angry towards his mom.
He never tried to find her to forgive her, but is spending every extra bit on this para church for India.
It made me wonder if that was not a type of saying Corban ( instead of perhaps helping his elderly mom)?
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Post by Cindy on May 14, 2016 9:37:23 GMT -5
I replied to you inside your quote...“At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.” (Matthew 27:51–53)
Apparently the graves were opened by the earthquake, which to the Jew's meant that the whole land was defiled. That's interesting because they had been fearful of leaving our Lord's body on the cross because they didn't want the land defiled by it. God showed them what He thought about the way they lived their religion by defiling the land with all the dead bodies.
Ι am not sure I understand the above . "Defile the land", like make it filthy? But how? Werent they supposed to burry them? To "Defile the Land" means to corrupt the purity of the land. God sanctified the land just like he sanctifies us. Remember, to sanctify someone or something means to make it holy. When something or someone is sanctified it is called "clean" in the Old testament. When something that God has declared clean or sanctified is defiled, it becomes "unclean". So, yes, "dirty" would also describe it. Outward, physical defilement comes from contact with someone or something unclean. Inner, spiritual defilement is caused by sin.
Yes, they were supposed to bury the bodies, because not burying the bodies would defile the land. God had declared the land of Israel to be His dwelling place and as such it was to be considered holy and clean, just as His priests were to be considered holy and clean. However, God knew they would sin and contaminate themselves and the land. He wanted to teach them the difference between what was good and clean and what was sin and unclean. So first He gave them laws telling them that certain animals and things were clean and could be eaten, and others were unclean and could not be eaten. Some things were so unclean that they couldn't even be touched without making the person who touched them unclean as well. When a person was declared "unclean" or "defiled" they could not worship God or go in the temple; If the person was a priest it would be especially bad for them to become unclean. God wanted them to learn that sin makes everything it touches unclean. Remember, that the wages of sin, or "the price of sin" is death, therefore anything that was dead was unclean, and for something unclean like a dead body, was left laying around and not buried properly, it made the very land itself unclean as well as anyone who touched the land, which would be all of the people since you can't avoid touching the ground. God gave them rituals they could do to cleanse themselves so they would be clean again, just as we are cleansed from sin when we confess our sins and ask Him for forgiveness. The reason for the rituals was to teach them that sin and being unclean from it, was to be avoided, because the rituals were not fun or quick to do.
So when the graves were opened by the earthquake, it left the dead bodies laying on the ground, and made the land unclean, it defiled the land and all the people. This meant that they could not observe the passover since they were now unclean, at least not until they had been cleansed again. So the very thing they wanted to avoid by burying the Lord and the two thieves, happened anyway.
Here are some scriptures that will explain some of it to you:
Ezekiel 44:25–27; Leviticus 7:21; Lev 20:25; Leviticus 21:1–3; Haggai 2:13; Numbers 35:34; Leviticus 5:2–3; Numbers 19:11; Numbers 19:13;
This also was a symbol of "death being swallowed up by victory" when Jesus died. Then, after Jesus was raised from the dead, all those righteous people, who's graves had been opened by the earthquake, were raised from the dead and came out of their graves, just like Lazarus had come out of his. They went into Jerusalem and many people saw them. They were resurrected after Jesus because Jesus was to be the first to be resurrected as the first one born from the dead. (Ac 26:23; 1 Co 15:20, 23; Col 1:18; Rev 1:5). They went into Jerusalem as witnesses to this, and many people, both believers and unbelievers saw them and could not deny it. Jesus however did not allow Himself to be seen in Jerusalem by any except His disciples and believers because Jerusalem had rejected Him and they were now under God's judgment. This was so well known at the time, so many people witnessed this, that the authors of the NT did not say much about it since everyone already knew about it.
I dont know why, but it seems strange to me why God allowed some people to be ressurected before others at this point. And can we assume who where they? And now they are just like we will be after the 2nd coming? (I am not sure if I use the correct term)
God resurrected only some of the righteous people (people who were saved before Jesus came) who had died so that they could go into Jerusalem and be His witness to the Pharisees and other leaders that He was in fact the Messiah. He would not allow unbelievers in Jerusalem to see Him again because He had told them that they would not see Him again until they admitted He was their Messiah. “Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”” (Luke 13:35) Bible teachers do not know for sure what kind of body these people have since the Bible does not say. Most think they have their new resurrected body that the rest of us will get when the rapture happens. This makes the most sense, so it is what I think as well. At the rapture, all those who died and were saved will get their new body and rise in the air to meet Jesus. Next, everyone who is saved and alive will get their new body and rise in the air to meet Jesus.
The Rapture, not the second coming, is our blessed hope. That is when our salvation will be completed and is what we wait and hope for, because that is when we will be given our new incorruptible immortal bodies. “It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,” (Titus 2:12–13) “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.” (1 John 3:2–3)
This is the time line of salvation as seen if the person dies before the rapture:
1. the instant we are saved we receive a new spirit or nature; we become a new creation
2. we then spend whatever time we have left in this lifetime studying to show ourselves approved and doing our best to please the Lord, denying ourselves and making our lives our sacrifice to Him; preparing ourselves for our eternal lives.
3. We die leaving this corruptible body behind and when we die, our old nature also dies so it will no longer plague us. We are in heaven immediately on death in our intermediate bodies enjoying heaven and the Lord. We are free of sin forever!
4. The rapture happens and in an instant we receive our incorruptible immortal physical bodies which match the incorruptible spirit we received so long ago when we were first saved, and our salvation is now complete and we live with the Lord forever in our new bodies.
If the rapture happens before we die, then at the instant of the rapture our old nature dies as it says in number 3, and we receive our new incorruptible immortal physical bodies as it says in number 4. Either way, whether we die first or are taken in the rapture, we along with all other believers will receive our physical incorruptible immortal bodies at the rapture.
I'm afraid I don't understand what the "basic things" from all the books are... I've never heard it put that way. To most teachers and pastors, every word in the Old and New Testament is "basic" and to be read and studied.... I can't even imagine choosing some parts over others to leave out or put in.... Please know that God expects us to know all of His Word, not just parts of it. I think you already know that, but am saying it because of that study leaving parts out....that just amazes me, and I wouldn't want anyone else who might read this to think that it's ok to leave out any part of God's Word.
Do you remember about a year ago, when I asked about a reading plan to get an idea of the OT, because I didnt know anything at all? You gave me something from Bible gateway I think. I was supposed to do this in 3 months, I took me almost a year , because everything was new. I had to get some "basic" knowlegde, who was who, what people of OT basically did etc. Of course I have to study this again and the whole OT this time, but at that point with almost zero knowledge this was what I needed as a start. Oh, ok, I think you're talking about an old testament survey which has you read the highlights of all the OT books to give you a general idea of what it's about.
Anyway, I guess the best way to do this is to explain it from the beginning. It's interesting to me that you asked because the Lord has been leading me to do this anyway. I just wasn't sure when or how. I guess He means now What I have to figure out though is how to do this and still maintain this thread too.
Barbara, do you want to be part of this study about the tribulation etc. as well? Or have you had enough about that subject?
I can warn you right now that the study will take a long time for me to do. I'm going to try to make one post a day about it and I will try very hard to keep my posts fairly short so they won't take forever to read. No promises, but I'll do my best to do that. Next, I also have to determine where to put the thread. It could be in this forum or in the End Times, Rapture, Tribulation, Millennium, & Eternity forum. So give me a few days to figure it all out. Let's plan on starting it next Monday, ok?
Ok! It will be very helpful to make all these clear :) I studied Mark 10-13 One little thing. In Mark 13:24-27 again it seems to be talking about the rapture. I have this a bit complicated in my mind. 13:3-13 is He talking about the Jews or about the church? Will we face what Jesus was describing there?
Mark 13:24–27 is not about the rapture. It is about the second coming. It's important that you understand the difference between these two events because they are not at all the same. The rapture I described above when answering your questions about something else. But at the rapture, Jesus does not come down to the earth - He appears in the sky and we go up to Him. The Bible does not say that anyone will see Him at the rapture except for us when we are in the air going to meet Him. At the second coming, Jesus will be seen by everyone on the earth - believers and unbelievers, and they will also see us because we will be with Him. He will come down to the earth and of course, we will too. This is when He will defeat the Antichrist and kill all His enemies, and then after the judgements will begin the Millennial Kingdom where He will rule on earth for 1000 years.
Please make notes about these things and put them in your bible next to the verses that talk about them.
Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21:5–36 are about the Tribulation.
1 Corinthians 15:35–54, 1 Corinthians 16:22, 1 Peter 5:4, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18, 1 Thessalonians 5:9–11, 1 Timothy 6:14, 2 Corinthians 4:14, 2 Corinthians 5:2, 2 Timothy 4:8, Colossians 3:4, John 14:1–4, John 5:24–29, Philippians 1:10, Philippians 3:20–21, Romans 5:9, Romans 8:23–25, Titus 2:13, and 2 Thessalonians 2:1–2, (2 Thessalonians 2:3–12 is about the Tribulation)
There are others that speak of either the Tribulation or rapture, but I don't have time to list anymore for you.
Today
Fri May 13th
I read Mark 7:1-23
Jesus talks about what things really defiles.
when I got to the part about Corban, something I never quite got before, after reading McGee's commentary it made sense. I know it was clear all along but for some reason I never could put it together.
But it made me think about this fellow Leonard and I know who has been 'adopting' (via his giving money) to support girls in India.
He had a truly horrific childhood, and so he has remained bitter and angry towards his mom.
He never tried to find her to forgive her, but is spending every extra bit on this para church for India.
It made me wonder if that was not a type of saying Corban ( instead of perhaps helping his elderly mom)?
The next stage can be labeled condemnation (Mark 7:6–13) as Jesus defended His disciples and exposed the hypocrisy of their accusers. The first thing He did was to quote from the Prophet Isaiah (Isa. 29:13), and then He brought in the Law of Moses (Ex. 20:12; 21:17; Lev. 20:9). How could the Pharisees argue with the Law and the Prophets?
In defending their tradition, the Pharisees eroded their own characters and also the character of the Word of God. They were hypocrites, “playactors,” whose religious worship was practiced in vain. True worship must come from the heart, and it must be directed by God’s truth, not man’s personal ideas. What a tragedy that religious people would ignorantly practice their religion and become the worse for doing it!
But they were not only destroying their character; they were also destroying the influence and authority of the very Word of God that they claimed to be defending. Note the tragic sequence: teaching their doctrines as God’s Word (Mark 7:7); laying aside God’s Word (Mark 7:8); rejecting God’s Word (Mark 7:9); finally, robbing God’s Word of its power (Mark 7:13). People who revere man-made traditions above the Word of God eventually lose the power of God’s Word in their lives. No matter how devout they may appear, their hearts are far from God.
History reveals that the Jewish religious leaders came to honor their traditions far above the Word of God. Rabbi Eleazer said, “HE WHO EXPOUNDS THE SCRIPTURES IN OPPOSITION TO THE TRADITION HAS NO SHARE IN THE WORLD TO COME.” The Mishna, a collection of Jewish traditions in the Talmud, records, “IT IS A GREATER OFFENSE TO TEACH ANYTHING CONTRARY TO THE VOICE OF THE RABBIS THAN TO CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE ITSELF.” But before we criticize our Jewish friends, perhaps we should examine what influence “the church fathers” are having in our own Christian churches. We also may be guilty of replacing God’s truth with man’s traditions.
Once He had exposed their hypocrisy, Jesus then turned to the Law of Moses and indicted them for breaking the fifth commandment. They had an ingenious way of breaking the Law and not feeling guilty. Instead of using their wealth to support their parents, the Pharisees dedicated that wealth to God (“Corban”=“an offering, a gift”; see Num. 30) and claimed that the wealth could now be used only for “spiritual purposes.” However, they continued to get the benefit of that wealth, even though it technically belonged to God. These men claimed to love God, but they had no love for their parents!
The third stage is declaration (Mark 7:14–16). Jesus announced to the whole crowd that the source of holy living is from within, not from without. Actually, He was declaring null and void the entire Mosaic system of “clean and unclean” foods; but at that time, He did not explain this radical truth to the crowd. Later, He did explain it in private to His own disciples.
But this declaration was surely understood by His enemies. They realized that He was breaking down one of the “walls” that separated the Jews from the Gentiles. Of course, the Law itself was not set aside until Jesus died on the cross (Eph. 2:14–15; Col. 2:14), but the principle Jesus announced had been true throughout the ages. In every period of history, true holiness has always been a matter of the heart, a right relationship with God by faith. Ceremonial purity was a matter of external obedience to a law as evidence of that faith (Ps. 51:6, 10, 16–17). Moses made it clear in Deuteronomy that God wanted love and obedience to come from the heart, and not be merely outward obedience to rules (note Deut. 6:4–5; 10:12; 30:6, 20).
Wiersbe, W. W. (1996). The Bible exposition commentary (Mk 7:1–23).
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Post by fearnot on May 14, 2016 16:16:52 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy.
I am sorry I had intended to answer a question you asked of Eva and I but I had already started writing what I studied. Then because I have been feeling so badly the last couple of days I forgot ( until late late at night).
Anyway the question you asked was:
Eva, and Barbara too... do you understand why God has planned for a 7 year tribulation?
I want to answer and say, no not really.
I could speculate but that is all it would be.
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Post by fearnot on May 14, 2016 17:20:20 GMT -5
I also wanted to say reading this really had impact on me:
"People who revere man-made traditions above the Word of God eventually lose the power of God’s Word in their lives. No matter how devout they may appear...."
Around Leonard and I are several sets of people all of whom are very very very 'devout' (one is a 7th day Adventist, two are Jehovah witnesses, one was a New Ager Etc. Etc.)
The all are very involved in 'good works'! It would be hard to decide which works the hardest! But every now and then, I see chinks in their armor or hear the sad desperation.
For example, one of the Jehovah witness has gone thru a huge struggle with cancer. She recently said to me: " I have had a lot of friends recently die from cancer. I don't know why I've been given a 2nd chance....except Jehovah is allowing me more time to work harder....she then promptly started to talk to my 2 grandchildren trying to indoctrinate them. I felt badly because I had to leave for some reason ( I just can't remember why) but later hubby said oh the kids were chatting with --------)
I pray that not much damage was done with her chat to them.
But I did think, how sad she thinks she has not worked hard enough yet, (to be 'saved', I think).
The power of God's word is not in her life in the most important way.....as with the 7th dayer, and the New Ager and others.
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Post by fearnot on May 14, 2016 22:39:30 GMT -5
Today Sat. May 14th
I read Mark 7: 24-30
Jesus Honors a Syrophoenician Woman’s Faith
Yet again we are presented with another demon possession.
It's strange, I knew that Jesus did this but it never struck me before just how many demon possessions there were.
I guess each time we read a passage again and again in the Bible,we either learn something new, or focus in on something more.
Because it said:
"a woman whose little daughter was possessed by an impure spirit"
Even little children can be demon possessed it seems, but I wonder how this can be?
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Post by fearnot on May 15, 2016 22:08:30 GMT -5
today Sun. May 15th
I read Mark 7: 31-37
I don't know how to word this without sounding disrespectful of our Lord Jesus, but I always have a of a squeamish reaction to the fact he spit and touched the man's tongue....but then I have always been that way about spit.
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Post by Cindy on May 16, 2016 12:44:59 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy.
I am sorry I had intended to answer a question you asked of Eva and I but I had already started writing what I studied. Then because I have been feeling so badly the last couple of days I forgot ( until late late at night).
Anyway the question you asked was:
Eva, and Barbara too... do you understand why God has planned for a 7 year tribulation?
I want to answer and say, no not really.
I could speculate but that is all it would be.
 I should know better then that since Monday is ALWAYS a day that I have to recuperate from the weekend. The weekends are always my most busiest days of the week, physically especially and it generally takes me at least one day and sometimes more to recuperate from them. That being said, I'm obviously not going to be able to start that study today. I'll have to get it started tomorrow. I'm really sorry, but it just can't be helped. I also wanted to say reading this really had impact on me:
"People who revere man-made traditions above the Word of God eventually lose the power of God’s Word in their lives. No matter how devout they may appear...."
Around Leonard and I are several sets of people all of whom are very very very 'devout' (one is a 7th day Adventist, two are Jehovah witnesses, one was a New Ager Etc. Etc.)
The all are very involved in 'good works'! It would be hard to decide which works the hardest! But every now and then, I see chinks in their armor or hear the sad desperation.
For example, one of the Jehovah witness has gone thru a huge struggle with cancer. She recently said to me: " I have had a lot of friends recently die from cancer. I don't know why I've been given a 2nd chance....except Jehovah is allowing me more time to work harder....she then promptly started to talk to my 2 grandchildren trying to indoctrinate them. I felt badly because I had to leave for some reason ( I just can't remember why) but later hubby said oh the kids were chatting with --------)
I pray that not much damage was done with her chat to them.
But I did think, how sad she thinks she has not worked hard enough yet, (to be 'saved', I think).
The power of God's word is not in her life in the most important way.....as with the 7th dayer, and the New Ager and others.
Today Sat. May 14th
I read Mark 7: 24-30
Jesus Honors a Syrophoenician Woman’s Faith
Yet again we are presented with another demon possession.
It's strange, I knew that Jesus did this but it never struck me before just how many demon possessions there were.
I guess each time we read a passage again and again in the Bible,we either learn something new, or focus in on something more.
Because it said:
"a woman whose little daughter was possessed by an impure spirit"
Even little children can be demon possessed it seems, but I wonder how this can be?
today Sun. May 15th
I read Mark 7: 31-37
I don't know how to word this without sounding disrespectful of our Lord Jesus, but I always have a of a squeamish reaction to the fact he spit and touched the man's tongue....but then I have always been that way about spit. 
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Post by fearnot on May 16, 2016 13:32:18 GMT -5
Thank you for all those great answers. It is true some moms may use spit to clear a child's face of some dirt ( assuming no other water), so the comforting part makes sense....and the rest was fascinating.
Yeah, I was bothered about that with the grandchildren and have not yet been able to speak to them, but in a way, I am sort of glad because I now have heard from you.
Not only do they have the Jehovah's witness coming at them, our landlady is a 7th dayer, equally as 'on fire' to evangelize them into her web of errors.
Sometimes its so overwhelming I just want to crawl in a hole.
Not to worry in the least about waiting until tomorrow!!! :-)
And I know what you mean about busy weekends, tho at least this weekend was not cuz I wasn't feeling well, but yeah, usually weekend can be like that!!
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Post by evafromgreece on May 16, 2016 16:01:55 GMT -5
Hey guys :)
Thank you Cindy for your answer. It really helped me making the issue clear and understand the difference between the rapture and the 2nd coming of Jesus.
Dont worry about not having ready the new thread. For me also Sunday is a busy day, its a day that I have to deal with the house. But still I am working 1-2 hours, I see what is missing in my department and create a file to order some things. So its a busy day.
Just like Barbara, I cannot wait for the new thread
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Post by evafromgreece on May 16, 2016 16:06:49 GMT -5
I studied Mark chapter 14.
In verses 50-52 who was that guy? He followed Jesus naked ? Why?
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Post by evafromgreece on May 16, 2016 16:09:01 GMT -5
And something out of topic. If a christian that has cancer or something like this, denies treatment, is it a sin? Is it like murdering him/her self?
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Post by fearnot on May 16, 2016 23:11:33 GMT -5
Eva:
As always I think Cindy will have the best answer to your cancer question.
But I am thinking it might not be suicide (killing oneself tho a bit slower), unless, that is the reason why they are refusing treatment.
Perhaps they may have tried some treatment, (maybe more than once) and it's just not working, so they may decide the Lord is calling them home, and they want to spend whatever time they have, in the Bible, in prayer and with their family ( as best they can under the circumstance).
I know Cindy might not agree with my next statement, but perhaps they just don't feel chemo is the best way to deal with the cancer, and may wish ( perhaps foolish or not) to try to eat a healthy diet ( especially if they have been not been eating well), if they are a smoker they may decide to quit, take probiotics and so on.
That may be misinformed, but their intent is not suicide. In other words they are not trying to determine their own date to die.
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Post by fearnot on May 16, 2016 23:30:48 GMT -5
Today Monday May 16th
I read Mark 8: 1-13
Jesus Feeds the Four Thousand
As always the naysayers want to say this is another 'error' in the Bible
However, it is simple just another time Jesus performed this particular miracle.
so many things are different, the number of people, the number of days they have been with Him, the amount of food on hand etc.
It's bad enough unbelievers are always looking for anything to make God's word wrong, but its sort of almost funny when His very own disciples who have seen Him do all manner of miracles ask Him
"where in this remote place can anyone get enough bread to feed them?"
Gee, I don't know guys....well I don't want to toot my own horn,
because I AM God,
and
have already done many miracles in your sight.
But then..........
I do the very same thing. Has the Lord worked many miracles in my life....Yes He has....
Have I ever wondered what can be done about the latest crisis without thinking of asking Jesus first....can you guess my answer/confession?
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Post by Cindy on May 17, 2016 9:33:12 GMT -5
I have started our study so you can go check it out now: The Tribulation and more it's in this forum.Thank you for all those great answers. It is true some moms may use spit to clear a child's face of some dirt ( assuming no other water), so the comforting part makes sense....and the rest was fascinating.
Yeah, I was bothered about that with the grandchildren and have not yet been able to speak to them, but in a way, I am sort of glad because I now have heard from you.
Not only do they have the Jehovah's witness coming at them, our landlady is a 7th dayer, equally as 'on fire' to evangelize them into her web of errors.
Sometimes its so overwhelming I just want to crawl in a hole.
Not to worry in the least about waiting until tomorrow!!! :-)
And I know what you mean about busy weekends, tho at least this weekend was not cuz I wasn't feeling well, but yeah, usually weekend can be like that!! Hey guys :) Thank you Cindy for your answer. It really helped me making the issue clear and understand the difference between the rapture and the 2nd coming of Jesus. Dont worry about not having ready the new thread. For me also Sunday is a busy day, its a day that I have to deal with the house. But still I am working 1-2 hours, I see what is missing in my department and create a file to order some things. So its a busy day. Just like Barbara, I cannot wait for the new thread I studied Mark chapter 14. In verses 50-52 who was that guy? He followed Jesus naked ? Why? And something out of topic. If a christian that has cancer or something like this, denies treatment, is it a sin? Is it like murdering him/her self? Eva:
As always I think Cindy will have the best answer to your cancer question.
But I am thinking it might not be suicide (killing oneself tho a bit slower), unless, that is the reason why they are refusing treatment.
Perhaps they may have tried some treatment, (maybe more than once) and it's just not working, so they may decide the Lord is calling them home, and they want to spend whatever time they have, in the Bible, in prayer and with their family ( as best they can under the circumstance).
I know Cindy might not agree with my next statement, but perhaps they just don't feel chemo is the best way to deal with the cancer, and may wish ( perhaps foolish or not) to try to eat a healthy diet ( especially if they have been not been eating well), if they are a smoker they may decide to quit, take probiotics and so on.
That may be misinformed, but their intent is not suicide. In other words they are not trying to determine their own date to die. Today Monday May 16th
I read Mark 8: 1-13
Jesus Feeds the Four Thousand
As always the naysayers want to say this is another 'error' in the Bible
However, it is simple just another time Jesus performed this particular miracle.
so many things are different, the number of people, the number of days they have been with Him, the amount of food on hand etc.
It's bad enough unbelievers are always looking for anything to make God's word wrong, but its sort of almost funny when His very own disciples who have seen Him do all manner of miracles ask Him
"where in this remote place can anyone get enough bread to feed them?"
Gee, I don't know guys....well I don't want to toot my own horn,
because I AM God,
and
have already done many miracles in your sight.
But then..........
I do the very same thing. Has the Lord worked many miracles in my life....Yes He has....
Have I ever wondered what can be done about the latest crisis without thinking of asking Jesus first....can you guess my answer/confession?
Check out the new study that I gave the link to above if you want to. See you all tomorrow!
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Post by fearnot on May 17, 2016 13:08:21 GMT -5
Thanks as always Cindy.
I thought the same thing ( that He loves us anyway).....but I wasn't 100 percent sure it was okay to think that way, only because I was afraid it might be presumptuous...
But on the other hand, He know we are weak, and we are not trying to get out of relying on Him....
We are truly sinful and weak sometimes, other times have a I can do it myself attitude with disastrous results....
tho we also can be happily surprised, when the opposite is true, and we see real growth now and then...yeah!
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Post by fearnot on May 17, 2016 18:36:00 GMT -5
Today Tue May 17th
I read Mark 8:14-21
The Yeast of the Pharisees and Herod
God's word is the Bread of life but the Pharisees seem to me to be like all the many many false gospels, like yeast they continue to grow
and Herod seems more like the world's false 'gospels', it too continues to spread it venom and grows and grows.
We see both in our world now and its a sad thing indeed.
It would be impossible to list all of Satan's and man's evil yeasts...
but nevertheless we can beware,
if it is not God's Word,
it is yeast ( even those that sound merciful, beautiful, kind, freeing etc.).
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Post by Cindy on May 18, 2016 11:06:59 GMT -5
Thanks as always Cindy.
I thought the same thing ( that He loves us anyway).....but I wasn't 100 percent sure it was okay to think that way, only because I was afraid it might be presumptuous...
But on the other hand, He know we are weak, and we are not trying to get out of relying on Him....
We are truly sinful and weak sometimes, other times have a I can do it myself attitude with disastrous results....
tho we also can be happily surprised, when the opposite is true, and we see real growth now and then...yeah! Today Tue May 17th
I read Mark 8:14-21
The Yeast of the Pharisees and Herod
God's word is the Bread of life but the Pharisees seem to me to be like all the many many false gospels, like yeast they continue to grow
and Herod seems more like the world's false 'gospels', it too continues to spread it venom and grows and grows.
We see both in our world now and its a sad thing indeed.
It would be impossible to list all of Satan's and man's evil yeasts...
but nevertheless we can beware,
if it is not God's Word,
it is yeast ( even those that sound merciful, beautiful, kind, freeing etc.).
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Post by evafromgreece on May 18, 2016 15:52:55 GMT -5
Hey guys!
I finished Mark. I dont have something to say on the last chapters, because they are similar to Matthew. I am moving on Luke
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Post by fearnot on May 18, 2016 16:49:23 GMT -5
Today Wed. May 18th
I read Mark 8:22-30
Jesus Heals a Blind Man
This is interesting because Jesus does not give a complete restoration of sight at least not at first.
Two things,
I am very very near sighted so when the man gets partial sight, he sees men looking like trees walking around.
That's pretty much how things look to me without my glasses.
It is not the accurate picture tho.
And that reminds me of the 2nd thing in 1 Corinthians 13:12
"For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face...."
Also in these verses Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah.
Peter is such an interesting man, either he is right on, or waaaay off. This time he nails it!
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Post by fearnot on May 19, 2016 19:54:04 GMT -5
Today Thur. May 19th
I read Mark 8:31-38
When Jesus Predicts His Death and rebukes Peter saying get thee behind me satan.....it occurred to me for the first time, that maybe (???) that might be one of those verses that were for that exact moment and in the future.
In other words, the Catholics base the idea of popehood on Peter and yet, as far as I know, Peter was the only one Jesus ever said "get behind me satan"
what I wondered was perhaps the false religious leader of the anti-christ might be a 'pope' ( thinking that maybe this was not just for Peter but some future 'pope'?
Anyway, verse 36 is such a perfect verse for someone struggling with money, being poor, and wishing to be fabulously wealthy... thinking all their problems would be solved.
36 "What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?"
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Post by Cindy on May 20, 2016 11:15:35 GMT -5
Hey guys! I finished Mark. I dont have something to say on the last chapters, because they are similar to Matthew. I am moving on Luke Today Wed. May 18th
I read Mark 8:22-30
Jesus Heals a Blind Man
This is interesting because Jesus does not give a complete restoration of sight at least not at first.
Two things,
I am very very near sighted so when the man gets partial sight, he sees men looking like trees walking around.
That's pretty much how things look to me without my glasses.
It is not the accurate picture tho.
And that reminds me of the 2nd thing in 1 Corinthians 13:12
"For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face...."
Also in these verses Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah.
Peter is such an interesting man, either he is right on, or waaaay off. This time he nails it!
Today Thur. May 19th
I read Mark 8:31-38
When Jesus Predicts His Death and rebukes Peter saying get thee behind me satan.....it occurred to me for the first time, that maybe (???) that might be one of those verses that were for that exact moment and in the future.
In other words, the Catholics base the idea of popehood on Peter and yet, as far as I know, Peter was the only one Jesus ever said "get behind me satan"
what I wondered was perhaps the false religious leader of the anti-christ might be a 'pope' ( thinking that maybe this was not just for Peter but some future 'pope'?
Anyway, verse 36 is such a perfect verse for someone struggling with money, being poor, and wishing to be fabulously wealthy... thinking all their problems would be solved.
36 "What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?"
Good point about verse 36 too!
I wanted to share with Eva about the study we did on the life of Christ. I think you saw it when I posted about it in Christian chat, but in case my memory is wrong, I wanted to share it here with both you and Eva so you could get the study for yourselves if you wanted to.
To all who loved "The Life of Christ" Study by Pastor Mills that I shared with you on our old site, I have wonderful news! I finally discovered a way to contact him and got a reply back from him recently. I asked him where we could find copies of "The Life of Christ - A Study Guide to the Gospel Record" and any others he wrote. From what I could tell, the prices were quite reasonable and it wasn't at all expensive, which is great in this day and age! The most expensive one was "The Life of Christ" of course since that comprises so much (for those who don't remember, it includes the 4 Gospels, a harmony of the gospels, part of Acts, and one of the Psalms, and a number of appendices including on on Life after death. If I read it right this study costs $60. Everything else seemed to range in price from $2 to $22, so like I said, not much at all. Certainly worth saving up for! Or you might want to write to him and see if he has The Life of Christ on tape...
As part of our ministry, 3E Ministries can supply printed copies of the following Study Guides written by M.S. Mills. We print paper copies on a laser printer (this minimizes storage problems and allows us to update them readily) and bind them in house into paperback books. The following Study Guides are available on request (our printing and binding costs are approximately 4 cents per book page):
The Life of Christ (3 volumes)
(With a free copy of The Consolidated Gospel, my harmony of the four gospels with a column combining the text of the four gospels) This but this study also includes these additional studies:
THE DOCTRINE OF THE LORD’S SUPPER
THE GOOD NEWS (a brief discussion on the gospel message recorded in Romans)
THE ULTIMATE PROOF OF CHRISTIANITY: JESUS CHRIST’S RESURRECTION
LIFE AFTER DEATH
We have audiotapes covering almost everything Monty has taught over the last three decades, so have tapes covering all the Bible. If you have a specific interest, let us know what it is; we will then advise you what tapes we have, and how many there are. Our cost is $2 per tape, which includes albums to hold the CDs. We hope one day to prepare an audiotape catalog, but in the mean time, the above is the best we can do!
We also have VHS videotapes of 245 sessions of approximately one hour each of live studies (these cover, e.g., John’s Gospel, Acts, Revelation, Daniel, four Easter and Christmas monologues, etc.). Ask for our videotape catalog if this interests you.
Address:
3E MINISTRIES
6839 Carolyncrest Drive
Dallas, Texas 75214
If you're interested in getting the study we started on The Life of Christ, just write to him and either tell him that's what you want and enclose a check or money order, or write and ask him if it's available on tape. (I kind of doubt if this study would be on tape though as it's so long and covers so much, but you never know unless you ask!) Don't be afraid to tell him that we started studying it together and you'd like to finish the study, and tell him too if you can't afford the study and ask if he would be willing to take monthly payments. Having talked to him myself, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he would be willing to work out something with you so you could get the study. It was obvious to me that teaching people and helping them know the Lord better is much more important to him than money.
If you want to see the rest of what he offers, here's a link to my original post about it:
fresh-hope.com/thread/1357/loved-christ-study-pastor-mills
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Post by fearnot on May 20, 2016 12:08:31 GMT -5
It's too bad that study wasn't able to have transferred over, but I am sure ( if it was even possible, it might have meant a ton of work for you, waaaay more than the constant pain you live with, should have to endure.
I'm just saying too bad a flick of a button couldn't have easily done so.
Right now, we are having to pay off several other bills, that may take 6 mts or so to finish sigh!
I guess it is not available via inter library loan either.
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Post by fearnot on May 20, 2016 14:37:32 GMT -5
Today Fri May 20th
I read Mark 9-1-13
The Transfiguration
I am not sure but I think Peter's offense was that he put Moses and Elijah as being equal to Jesus.
Maybe in his mind, he thought, they all did miracles ( tho only one was God), I think maybe Elijah raised someone from the dead ( God thru Elijah)...so maybe at this point he had not yet fully come to the conclusion that Jesus was fully man and fully God....
Because otherwise, I am confused why his wanting to build a shelter for all 3 was an insult, it seems ( at least at first blush) just to be an act of service and kindness ( and it also does say that the apostles were frightened, so he may also have been talking out of nervousness).
Anyway, God the Father sort of clears up any confusion as to why they were not the same at all.... when he tells the apostles to listen to Jesus, His Son! (not Moses or Elijah his sons)
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Post by evafromgreece on May 20, 2016 15:57:10 GMT -5
Hey guys!
Its really late and I cannot write much. I studied Luke chapter 1. I have some thoughts. Some fake and false Gods from the ancient times had a story of a virgin mother, some people take this and claim that Christianity "stole" the story and that our Lord is "fake". I know the devil uses things like this to turn people away from God. But there must be a biblical explanation also I would like to know.
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Post by Cindy on May 21, 2016 10:26:20 GMT -5
It's too bad that study wasn't able to have transferred over, but I am sure ( if it was even possible, it might have meant a ton of work for you, waaaay more than the constant pain you live with, should have to endure.
I'm just saying too bad a flick of a button couldn't have easily done so.
Right now, we are having to pay off several other bills, that may take 6 mts or so to finish sigh!
I guess it is not available via inter library loan either. Today Fri May 20th
I read Mark 9-1-13
The Transfiguration
I am not sure but I think Peter's offense was that he put Moses and Elijah as being equal to Jesus.
Maybe in his mind, he thought, they all did miracles ( tho only one was God), I think maybe Elijah raised someone from the dead ( God thru Elijah)...so maybe at this point he had not yet fully come to the conclusion that Jesus was fully man and fully God....
Because otherwise, I am confused why his wanting to build a shelter for all 3 was an insult, it seems ( at least at first blush) just to be an act of service and kindness ( and it also does say that the apostles were frightened, so he may also have been talking out of nervousness).
Anyway, God the Father sort of clears up any confusion as to why they were not the same at all.... when he tells the apostles to listen to Jesus, His Son! (not Moses or Elijah his sons)
Seeing Moses and Elijah with their Lord would, I'm sure, have made them think that the Lord was getting ready to establish the Kingdom, and they were there to help Him. Remember, the disciples never gave up the belief that Jesus was going to establish the Kingdom then, until that awful day that He was crucified. They simply couldn't understand His talk about dying and probably thought he must be speaking symbolically when he'd tell them about it. The reason for that is because since they were very small children, they'd been taught that when the Messiah came, He would start the Kingdom. That was something every Jew knew from childhood, and many gentiles were aware of it too simply because it was so very well known at that time. Even after Jesus rose from the dead, the disciples still went right back to that belief - since He was alive, surely He'd start the kingdom soon... then when He left for good and sent the Holy Spirit, they began to understand better, but still expected to see Him at any moment and taught the people to expect His return momentarily, and that when He did return, He'd then start the Kingdom. They had no idea that years and years and years would go by before that happened.
So please tell me why you think it was an insult ok?
Hey guys! Its really late and I cannot write much. I studied Luke chapter 1. I have some thoughts. Some fake and false Gods from the ancient times had a story of a virgin mother, some people take this and claim that Christianity "stole" the story and that our Lord is "fake". I know the devil uses things like this to turn people away from God. But there must be a biblical explanation also I would like to know.
There are a number of people claiming that the accounts of Jesus as recorded in the New Testament are simply myths borrowed from pagan folklore, such as the stories of Osiris, Dionysus, Adonis, Attis, and Mithras. The claim is that these myths are essentially the same story as the New Testament’s narrative of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. As Dan Brown claims in The Da Vinci Code, “Nothing in Christianity is original.”
To discover the truth about the claim that the Gospel writers borrowed from mythology, it is important to (1) unearth the history behind the assertions, (2) examine the actual portrayals of the false gods being compared to Christ, (3) expose any logical fallacies being made, and (4) look at why the New Testament Gospels are trustworthy depictions of the true and historical Jesus Christ.
The claim that Jesus was a myth or an exaggeration originated in the writings of liberal German theologians in the nineteenth century. They essentially said that Jesus was nothing more than a copy of popular dying-and-rising fertility gods in various places—Tammuz in Mesopotamia, Adonis in Syria, Attis in Asia Minor, and Horus in Egypt. Of note is the fact that none of the books containing these theories were taken seriously by the academics of the day. The assertion that Jesus was a recycled Tammuz, for example, was investigated by contemporary scholars and determined to be completely baseless. It has only been recently that these assertions have been resurrected, primarily due to the rise of the Internet and the mass distribution of information from unaccountable sources.
This leads us to the next area of investigation—do the mythological gods of antiquity really mirror the person of Jesus Christ? As an example, the Zeitgeist movie makes these claims about the Egyptian god Horus:
• He was born on December 25 of a virgin: Isis Mary
• A star in the East proclaimed his arrival
• Three kings came to adore the newborn “savior”
• He became a child prodigy teacher at age 12
• At age 30 he was “baptized” and began a “ministry”
• Horus had twelve “disciples”
• Horus was betrayed
• He was crucified
• He was buried for three days
• He was resurrected after three days
However, when the actual writings about Horus are competently examined, this is what we find:
• Horus was born to Isis; there is no mention in history of her being called “Mary.” Moreover, “Mary” is our Anglicized form of her real name, Miryam or Miriam. “Mary” was not even used in the original texts of Scripture.
• Isis was not a virgin; she was the widow of Osiris and conceived Horus with Osiris.
• Horus was born during month of Khoiak (Oct/Nov), not December 25. Further, there is no mention in the Bible as to Christ’s actual birth date.
• There is no record of three kings visiting Horus at his birth. The Bible never states the actual number of magi that came to see Christ.
• Horus is not a “savior” in any way; he did not die for anyone.
• There are no accounts of Horus being a teacher at the age of 12.
• Horus was not “baptized.” The only account of Horus that involves water is one story where Horus is torn to pieces, with Isis requesting the crocodile god to fish him out of the water.
• Horus did not have a “ministry.”
• Horus did not have 12 disciples. According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four demigods that followed him, and there are some indications of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him.
• There is no account of Horus being betrayed by a friend.
• Horus did not die by crucifixion. There are various accounts of Horus’ death, but none of them involve crucifixion.
• There is no account of Horus being buried for three days.
• Horus was not resurrected. There is no account of Horus coming out of the grave with the body he went in with. Some accounts have Horus/Osiris being brought back to life by Isis and then becoming the lord of the underworld.
When compared side by side, Jesus and Horus bear little, if any, resemblance to one another.
Jesus is also compared to Mithras by those claiming that Jesus Christ is a myth. All the above descriptions of Horus are applied to Mithras (e.g., born of a virgin, being crucified, rising in three days, etc.). But what does the Mithras myth actually say?
• He was born out of a solid rock, not from any woman.
• He battled first with the sun and then with a primeval bull, thought to be the first act of creation. Mithras killed the bull, which then became the ground of life for the human race.
• Mithras’s birth was celebrated on December 25, along with winter solstice.
• There is no mention of his being a great teacher.
• There is no mention of Mithras having 12 disciples. The idea that Mithras had 12 disciples may have come from a mural in which Mithras is surrounded by the twelve signs of the zodiac.
• Mithras had no bodily resurrection. Rather, when Mithras completed his earthly mission, he was taken to paradise in a chariot, alive and well. The early Christian writer Tertullian did write about Mithraic cultists re-enacting resurrection scenes, but this occurred well after New Testament times, so if any copycatting was done, it was Mithraism copying Christianity.
More examples can be given of Krishna, Attis, Dionysus, and other mythological gods, but the result is the same. In the end, the historical Jesus portrayed in the Bible is unique. The alleged similarities of Jesus’ story to pagan myths are greatly exaggerated. Further, while tales of Horus, Mithras, and others pre-date Christianity, there is very little historical record of the pre-Christian beliefs of those religions. The vast majority of the earliest writings of these religions date from the third and fourth centuries A.D. To assume that the pre-Christian beliefs of these religions (of which there is no record) were identical to their post-Christian beliefs is naive. It is more logical to attribute any similarities between these religions and Christianity to the religions’ copying Christian teaching about Jesus.
This leads us to the next area to examine: the logical fallacies committed by those claiming that Christianity borrowed from pagan mystery religions. We’ll consider two fallacies in particular: the fallacy of the false cause and the terminological fallacy.
If one thing precedes another, some conclude that the first thing must have caused the second. This is the fallacy of the false cause. A rooster may crow before the sunrise every morning, but that does not mean the rooster causes the sun to rise. Even if pre-Christian accounts of mythological gods closely resembled Christ (and they do not), it does not mean they caused the Gospel writers to invent a false Jesus. Making such a claim is akin to saying the TV series Star Trek caused the NASA Space Shuttle program.
The terminological fallacy occurs when words are redefined to prove a point. For example, the Zeitgeist movie says that Horus “began his ministry,” but the word ministry is being redefined. Horus had no actual “ministry”—nothing like that of Christ’s ministry. Those claiming a link between Mithras and Jesus talk about the “baptism” that initiated prospects into the Mithras cult, but what was it actually? Mithraic priests would place initiates into a pit, suspend a bull over the pit, and slit the bull’s stomach, covering the initiates in blood and gore. Such a practice bears no resemblance whatsoever to Christian baptism—a person going under water (symbolizing the death of Christ) and then coming back out of the water (symbolizing Christ’s resurrection). But advocates of a mythological Jesus deceptively use the same term, “baptism,” to describe both rites in hopes of linking the two.
This brings us to the subject of the truthfulness of the New Testament. No other work of antiquity has more evidence to its historical veracity than the New Testament. The New Testament has more writers (nine), better writers, and earlier writers than any other document from that era. Further, history testifies that these writers went to their deaths claiming that Jesus had risen from the dead. While some may die for a lie they think is true, no person dies for a lie he knows to be false. Think about it—if someone was about to crucify you upside down, as happened to the apostle Peter, and all you had to do to save your life was renounce a lie you had knowingly told, what would you do?
In addition, history has shown that it takes at least two generations to pass before myth can enter a historical account. That’s because, as long as there are eyewitnesses to an event, errors can be refuted and mythical embellishments can be exposed. All the Gospels of the New Testament were written during the lifetime of the eyewitnesses, with some of Paul’s Epistles being written as early as A.D. 50. Paul directly appeals to contemporary eyewitnesses to verify his testimony (1 Corinthians 15:6).
The New Testament attests to the fact that, in the first century, Jesus was not mistaken for any other god. When Paul preached in Athens, the elite thinkers of that city said, “‘He seems to be a proclaimer of strange deities,’—because he was preaching Jesus and the resurrection. And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus, saying, ‘May we know what this new teaching is which you are proclaiming? For you are bringing some strange things to our ears; so we want to know what these things mean’” (Acts 17:18–20, NASB). Clearly, if Paul were simply rehashing stories of other gods, the Athenians would not have referred to his doctrine as a “new” and “strange” teaching. If dying-and-rising gods were plentiful in the first century, why, when the apostle Paul preached Jesus rising from the dead, did the Epicureans and Stoics not remark, “Ah, just like Horus and Mithras”?
In conclusion, the claim that Jesus is a copy of mythological gods originated with authors whose works have been discounted by academia, contain logical fallacies, and cannot compare to the New Testament Gospels, which have withstood nearly 2,000 years of intense scrutiny. The alleged parallels between Jesus and other gods disappear when the original myths are examined. The Jesus-is-a-myth theory relies on selective descriptions, redefined words, and false assumptions.
Jesus Christ is unique in history, with His voice rising above all false gods’ as He asks the question that ultimately determines a person’s eternal destiny: “Who do you say I am?” (Matthew 16:15).
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Post by fearnot on May 21, 2016 19:21:46 GMT -5
I think I read it in several commentaries years back.
I think part of the idea was that because God seems to interrupt Peter ( like maybe if it had been a good idea God might have said, well said???)
Instead God tells Peter that Jesus is is Son and to listen to Him ( as Mosses and Elijah were representative of the law and the prophets?) and are not to be thought of on the same level as Jesus?
Also it seems like Peter/Mark give an 'excuse' for the fopaux, by saying they were all afraid. That could have meant nothing more than seeing 3 people in their glory was very frightening, ( it must have been), but it could also have been offered as a reason for the misjudgment of putting them all on the same level ( all in glory, all did miracles, etc.....instead of knowing Jesus was God.)
I am not convicted to this by the way, like I said, I was confused....it seemed like Peter wanted to do something nice and indeed that may have been all it was and the fact, God then spoke, did not tie into what Peter had said, at all.
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Post by fearnot on May 21, 2016 19:24:35 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy for all the info refuting all the so called 'myth' theories. Excellent!
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What I have to figure out though is how to do this and still maintain this thread too.
I should know better then that since Monday is ALWAYS a day that I have to recuperate from the weekend. The weekends are always my most busiest days of the week, physically especially and it generally takes me at least one day and sometimes more to recuperate from them. That being said, I'm obviously not going to be able to start that study today. I'll have to get it started tomorrow. I'm really sorry, but it just can't be helped. 
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