|
Post by evafromgreece on Jan 12, 2016 17:06:00 GMT -5
I am on Luke 8:4-15
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Jan 11, 2016 17:28:30 GMT -5
I read Luke ch 5-6
Luke 6:20-49 I believe we should often focus on this. Are we the way He wants us to be? Do we love our enemies, or we love only the ones who loves us and the ones who likes us, and the ones who always agree with us. To be honest, I am not sure. I found my self sometimes praying that God helps people that have hurt me or harmed me in some ways, but do I really love them? I am not sure. Do I hear what God says, or what my emotions say, for example , anger, bitterness etc (all sins)... I will write more. I have my mind on this till yesterday
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Jan 6, 2016 14:33:43 GMT -5
Luke chapter 4 The verses 4:1-13 are similar to Matthew 6:33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you." and we see how Jesus actually act like this, the way we should act also. He was fasting for 40 days, His human body was hungry and exhausted for sure! But He put God's will first and He continued walking the difficult way in order to fullfill His purpose. He denied food, He denied power and eartly possesions and He succesfully fullfilled 40 days in the desert. Then, in the temple He read the words of Isaiah that were talking about Him and what He was doing on earth, and of course people got angry with Him, He wasnt accepted in His hometown. They wanted to kill Him, but it was too early for this , so He left. He continued curing people, end even possesed people, even demonos recognised His identity unlike Jewish people who were the chosen nation Very nice. Do you remember what we learned about the temptations Jesus went through? 1 John 2:16 defines all sin as either: 1. the lust of the flesh, (stones to bread; Luke 4:3–4) 2. the lust of the eyes, (plunge from temple; Luke 4:9–12) 3. the boastful pride of life; (kingdoms of the earth; Luke 4:5–8). and Satan tempted our Lord in each of these three categories. So, as Heb 4:15 states, “He was tempted in all things, yet is without sin.”
Thanks for reminding this also
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Jan 6, 2016 14:32:50 GMT -5
Luke chapter 5
In 5:1-8 we first see how "warm" (I dont know what other word to use) to Jesus. Many people went to see Jesus preaching. And He met the first disciples. At these verses fish, are similar to people. Without the guidance and help of the Lord fishermen couldnt catch fish, and He planned to guide them later to "catch" people and spread the Word over the world. Jesus did some other miracles also to make them notice who He was. And He did the miracles to people who had faith in Him and His identity, He knew their heart. In 5:12 we see the faith of the leper and in 5:18-19 the faith of the handicapped person. On the other hand we see Jewish religion leaders be blind and unable to recognise the Saviour, because their hearts were not open 5:21-24 and 5:30 Later Jesus spent time with a tax collector and again the Pharises were against this. And in 5:31-32 Jesus notes His purpose as a Saviour and His role, and the role every believer and every church should have. In 33-38 Jesus again explains to the religion leaders what they should have seen. There was not need for the desciples to fast as long as they had the Lord with them
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Jan 4, 2016 15:55:08 GMT -5
Luke chapter 4
The verses 4:1-13 are similar to Matthew 6:33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you." and we see how Jesus actually act like this, the way we should act also. He was fasting for 40 days, His human body was hungry and exhausted for sure! But He put God's will first and He continued walking the difficult way in order to fullfill His purpose. He denied food, He denied power and eartly possesions and He succesfully fullfilled 40 days in the desert. Then, in the temple He read the words of Isaiah that were talking about Him and what He was doing on earth, and of course people got angry with Him, He wasnt accepted in His hometown. They wanted to kill Him, but it was too early for this , so He left. He continued curing people, end even possesed people, even demonos recognised His identity unlike Jewish people who were the chosen nation
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Jan 3, 2016 15:14:33 GMT -5
Luke chapter 2
From the first verses we see that everything was done according to what the prophets said in OT about Jesus. So Jesus was born in Bethlehem in a manger, and He was humble, not like earthly kings who are full of pride. And the birth of Jesus filled also humble people happy, some shepherds praised the Lord for having the chance to meet the Son of God. Some angels told this humble people about this birth and they went to meet the Lord. This part of the Jewish nation acknowledged Jesus as the Son of God, just like Symeon who lived until the time he met Jesus, and prophet Anna also acknowledged the Lord. What amazes me is that it was so clear that Jesus was the Son of God and Jewish people still don't see it up to this day. At the last verses we see the difference of Jesus, from the other children. He wanted to do his Father will, and that was more important than to be closer to His earthly family.
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Jan 3, 2016 14:28:34 GMT -5
That's easier I think. But it might be better to start a new thread I believe, in order not to confuse other members that read the topic
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Dec 29, 2015 15:39:52 GMT -5
Ι believe that in the first two verses it is talking about something different than the 3rd and the 4th. In Ecclesiastes it says that everything someone can create on earth is temporary, our lives are temporary, its no use to seek material things because you will not live forever. I think that the writer of the book (was he Solomon?) wanted to emphasize on this. "but the earth remains forever", I think this means that the earth will be here after you leave this temporary life, not that it will not be destroyed. Psalm 104 talks about how great the creation is, and how wise God made everything. I thing in 104:5 it says that He created the earth in a stable way, that nobody and nothing can destroy it , unless it is His will. In Isaiah and Peter , the Bible talks about what will happen to earth after the second coming of the Lord.
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Dec 20, 2015 16:52:08 GMT -5
Eva,I posted this the other day for you but you apparently haven't seen it yet, so I'll post it again here:
Eva, is there a reason you can't be here every day? It's getting difficult for me again to keep track of things because you're always behind and therefore are not doing the same lesson as Barbara. It's not like Barbara's going fast either because if she was, we'd be doing a different one every other day and we're obviously not doing that. So this is getting pretty frustrating for me that you can't keep up.
********** That's all I said two days ago, but want to add here that I simply cannot keep doing this. It's always been like this with you falling further and further behind. You always have excuses for it, and that's fine, but it doesn't help me or Barbara. Even Barbara isn't here every single day, and we don't go very fast, which is why I'm comfortable saying that there is something very wrong here. I understand the language problem, but there's nothing I can do about that.
I think that the only fair way I can continue to do this is to just have you read along as Barbara and I work together and if you have something to say about something that we have posted that day or the day before (not something posted a week ago or longer) then I'll be happy to reply to it. If you think you can be here almost every day, then you can just skip everything else that we've already done and start with whatever we decide to do next. I'll wait till tomorrow to give out the next one, so I'll know what you have decided to do. If you don't come tomorrow, then I'll just have to figure out what to do on my own I guess. Hello everyone. Yes there is a reason for not being here every day. I work extra hours this period because of Christmas. I am working even on Sundays and sometimes I don't even turn on my computer. Please Cindy explain to me something, because I don't really understand the word excuses you used. I want to know what you mean. You wrote: "You always have excuses for it", you mean that I have reasons, or that I use reasons to tell that are not that serious lets say. I want you please to explain what you mean in order to understand. I face 2 things that make me left behind at times. Be sick or work more. The language barrier is a thing that make me sometimes unable to understand things easily and stuck on things and be slow, but that's another issue. As long as I am not helping the study to go on, I can come here, read and I can be silent in order to let you go on faster and that's it.
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Dec 16, 2015 16:17:41 GMT -5
"My sweet friend, you're over thinking it hon. But that's ok, because other people do too and we need to be able to answer them. Let me deal with what "forms" Jesus has been "seen" in, since we know Jesus is God. First of all, anytime Jesus was seen in the old or new testament, He was never seen in "All His Glory" as God. In the old testament, He took on the form of what others thought was an angel, so they did not see "God" because He disguised Himself. When He was born here, He took on human flesh, and by that very act, He again disguised Himself. So again, although people saw Him, they saw Him as a human not what He really looks like as God. At the transfiguration, He allowed some of His Glory to shine through His human flesh, but not all of it, and so again what people saw was the human Jesus with some glory around Him. Yes, He's God and they knew it, but they still had not seen God as He really is. If they had, they would have died. Last, about Stephen. Yes, He saw Jesus as God, and what? He died! No one can see God and live is what the bible says and Stephen did not live after seeing Jesus as God, so that was fulfilled there. When Jesus tells us that if we've "seen" Him, we've "seen" the Father, He's not talking about His body, He's talking about His character. He's saying that if we know what He is like, then we can know what the Father is like, because they are both the same. He's not talking about His body or what we would refer to as physical looks. Again, when we read that Jesus is "the image of God", it is not talking about His body or what He looks like. It's talking about what He is like. We can trust the Father, because we know the Son, not because we know what they look like ...that wouldn't help us at all. When Jesus said that to Philip, He was letting Philip know in unmistakable terms, that He was God. He was telling him and the other disciples that He and the Father were one and the same, and beginning to teach them of the Trinity. Remember, this was before His death and resurrection and the disciples really didn't grasp it until after the resurrection. They were still confused about it all. He was letting them know that they had been given a very rare privilege and that they need not worry about committing idolatry, because He was God, He and the Father are One. It's more easily understood when you read the dialog in context there. Again, Hebrews 1:3 says that Jesus is the exact representation of God. What does representation mean? Let me quote MacArthur here: The term translated “exact representation” is used only here in the NT. In extrabiblical literature, it was employed for an engraving on wood, an etching in metal, a brand on animal hide, an impression in clay, and a stamped image on coins. The Son is the perfect imprint, the exact representation of the nature and essence of God in time and space (cf. Jn 14:9; Col 1:15; 2:9). The MacArthur study Bible So again we are not talking here about what God looks like physically. Now let's look at what Rev. says: “and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,” dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.” (Revelation 1:13–16) Revelation 1:17 says John fell down as though dead when He saw this in his vision. Notice that John can't really describe what Jesus looks like. Instead of saying He has white hair, He's tall, etc. he keeps saying He "looked like", trying to find something to compare what He looked like that we might be able to understand. He was not saying that Jesus fee were bronze, but that they "looked like" bronze glowing in a furnace, etc. But, we can also tell from the way John worded this, that some of it at least is symbolic and not actual. What Jesus showed Him in this vision was not necessarily what God looks like, but rather what Jesus wanted John to understand from what he was shown. So John too didn't actually see God as God. Instead he saw a vision of what God wanted him to see, but even that was so overwhelming that John couldn't handle it. The way I look at it is like when we as parents are trying to explain an especially difficult concept to a very young child. We have to use terms and pictures that they can understand to try and get that concept across. Although we tend to think we're pretty intelligent, compared to God, we're more like little toddlers who really don't have a clue. So God tries to explain things in a way that gets His message across to us. The bottom line is that no one has ever actually seen God in His own form and lived to tell about it. I'd say that Stephen came as close as anyone could, but even he may not have seen Jesus as He really is because if he had, He wouldn't have been able to say a word. He would have been instantly overwhelmed and died. Jesus in His love and mercy, showed Stephen a glimpse of Himself to comfort him and the Holy Spirit gave him the words he spoke to be a witness to Israel one more time, and of course to us as well. Let's look at what the scriptures say: “But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”” (Acts 7:55–56) Saying he saw the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God, was saying to the Jews that Jesus was their Messiah and that He had the right to judge them, as it would have called to their minds the scene of Dan 7:13. By this time, Israel was already under God's judgement for not accepting Jesus as their Messiah, and this let them know that that Judgement was coming and that it would come from Jesus. (it came in full in 70ad). So, as in most things, what Stephen saw was what God allowed him to see. We have to simply believe what all the scripture says though and not just that one line. And we know that scripture teaches that no one can see God and live. That leaves 2 possibilities: Stephen did see God and of course died, or Stephen saw a representation of God (kind of like the transfiguration) just before he died to be a witness. Either way works I suppose, because regardless, Stephen didn't live, he died. Does that help? Read more: fresh-hope.com/thread/1083/next-study-explaining-contradictions?page=3#ixzz3uWLjJdkJ" You wrote the above to Barbara. That means that people saw an image of God? What couldn't this be Jesus in the human form?
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Dec 7, 2015 16:24:43 GMT -5
OK, so I don't forget, after you do the one about Calling on Jesus, the next one will be Was John the Baptist really Elijah or not, from Matthew 11:13-14 and John 1:19-21.
John was not Elijah. Humans can only be one human. The Bible does not teach reincarnation!!
A person could use an alias ( like the name John but in fact really be a person with a different name).
It's true Elijah did not die but was taken to Heaven in a whirlwind (Enoch also was taken to Heaven without dying). I think they point to the rapture but that is not the question I am to answer However Elijah is supposed to come back before the 'Day of the Lord' s so one might attempt to use that fact as part of the proof John was Elijah...
BUT...
John clearly states that he John is NOT Elijah:
"20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21 And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.”
However it was prophesied that John would be in the Spirit of Elijah.
Luke 1:17 ".....And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah..." That's good, BUT: Check out: “The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?” Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.” (Matthew 17:10–13) Keep in mind that he said this after John had been killed and after the 3 disciples had seen Elijah with Jesus at the transfiguration which is in Matthew 17:2–3 and on.
Also ““See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse.”” (Malachi 4:5–6) and “But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him.”” (Mark 9:13) as well. 2 Kings 2:11 tells about Elijah's ascension. Also “A voice of one calling: “In the desert prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.” (Isaiah 40:3) and Isaiah 40:9, not to mention the ones in between lol.
Keep in mind the prophecies about Elijah are from over 400 years before either John or Jesus was born. Also when you're explaining a contradiction you should always try to use other scriptures to show the clear meaning of the ones in question. (not saying you didn't, just saying) You showed Luke 1:17 which is a good start, but you need to quote the whole thing and let us know who is speaking to who so we have it in context, and then tell if it's a quote from another scripture. (which it is: Malachi 4:5–6) Tell us that he's coming "in the spirit of Elijah" is good, but don't you think that may bring up more questions, like then why wasn't Malachi more specific? Or why did Jesus say both that Elijah has already come and that he WILL come and restore all things? John didn't restore all things so that isn't true is it? And why would Jesus say "if you're willing to accept it"? (Matthew 11:14 ) Either a person is or isn't someone right?
While John did seem to state clearly that he wasn't Elijah, we must look at the rest of his conversation with them about this, not just that one verse I gave you: “He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.” They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.” Finally they said, “Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?” John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’ ”” (John 1:20–23)
What I'm saying hon, is that your answer is good for a start, but you need to go further, ok? Short answers are good, but only when they contain all the needed information. Don't be afraid of a long answer.
I am just reading this at the moment. I believe the issue of John and Elijah is something tough to explain. How can somebody can be in the spirit of another human being? Elijah also didn't die, so that makes it even more confusing. Its accurate to say, once you die you don't get back on earth. But he didn't die he just left.4 I don't know.
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Dec 7, 2015 16:16:04 GMT -5
In Genesis 32:20 and Exodus 33:11, the person that Jacob and Moses saw, I believe was Jesus. The person a human cannot see is the Father. I think it explain this also in John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. ", we as humans we can see only the Son. For example the students of Christ have seen Him again after the resurrection I mean the answer on the above
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Dec 7, 2015 16:14:26 GMT -5
Was my answer complete?
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Nov 27, 2015 16:28:42 GMT -5
In Genesis 32:20 and Exodus 33:11, the person that Jacob and Moses saw, I believe was Jesus. The person a human cannot see is the Father. I think it explain this also in John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. ", we as humans we can see only the Son. For example the students of Christ have seen Him again after the resurrection
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Nov 27, 2015 16:13:34 GMT -5
About the babies and children of the pagan nations who died it's similar. God does not make anyone, including children and babies pay for the sins of their parents. BUT, those babies and children do wind up having to deal with the consequences of their parents sin(s). It's easier to understand if you think of parents who sin and get divorced. Their children are not responsible for their sin of divorce, but they still have to deal with the consequences of it, because their parents no longer live with each other and no longer love each other. Children often wind up living with only one parent, and often that parent will tell them lies about the other one to make them hate the other parent. So the children get stuck dealing with the consequence of their parents divorce, not because God makes them pay the consequences, but because the parents do. Or a father who robs a bank will go to prison. God will not hold the child responsible for robbing a bank. But the child will not get to see their father as a consequence of their father's sin. The child may be called names or made fun of because their father was wicked, as a consequence of their father's sin. That's not God's fault, it's the father's fault. For the pagan children of those nations, it looks like they had to pay the consequences of their parents sins, but they really didn't because God took them all to heaven. If they had been allowed to grow up to the age of accountability, they would have done the same things as their parents because that's what they'd seen and been taught, and they would have gone to hell for eternity instead. So in this case, God was being very merciful to them, even though it didn't look like it to those who are afraid of death. It also served as a warning not to sin again the one true God. Does that help? Read more: fresh-hope.com/thread/1083/next-study-explaining-contradictions?page=2&scrollTo=6464#ixzz3sXQtKx00Yes thank you! It did help a lot :) Good! In Acts it says that whoever seeks for the Lord and accept Him as a Father will be saved, that person will receive the Holy Spirit and will gradually change way of life, and will act like Him. So, it says the same thing in both verses That's very good Eva, but this was/is your next one. You skipped it: Has man ever seen God or can a person ever see God? Can God be seen face to face (Genesis 32:30; Exodus 33:11) or not (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18; 1 John 4:12)? Show why these verses do not contradict each other. Oh sorry! I will see it right now
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Nov 25, 2015 16:05:26 GMT -5
Ok when you're ready for the 3rd one,It's this: In Matthew 7:21 Jesus says not everyone that calls the name of the Lord shall be saved but in Acts 2:21 Paul says whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. It sounds like they're saying the opposite thing. What's true? In Matthew it says that it's not enough to claim you are a Christian, but you have to do the will of the Father, you have to become day after day like Jesus. You have to live, and act like Him. Saying that you are a Christian doesn't make you a Christian. In Acts it says that whoever seeks for the Lord and accept Him as a Father will be saved, that person will receive the Holy Spirit and will gradually change way of life, and will act like Him. So, it says the same thing in both verses
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Nov 25, 2015 15:45:13 GMT -5
About the babies and children of the pagan nations who died it's similar. God does not make anyone, including children and babies pay for the sins of their parents. BUT, those babies and children do wind up having to deal with the consequences of their parents sin(s). It's easier to understand if you think of parents who sin and get divorced. Their children are not responsible for their sin of divorce, but they still have to deal with the consequences of it, because their parents no longer live with each other and no longer love each other. Children often wind up living with only one parent, and often that parent will tell them lies about the other one to make them hate the other parent. So the children get stuck dealing with the consequence of their parents divorce, not because God makes them pay the consequences, but because the parents do. Or a father who robs a bank will go to prison. God will not hold the child responsible for robbing a bank. But the child will not get to see their father as a consequence of their father's sin. The child may be called names or made fun of because their father was wicked, as a consequence of their father's sin. That's not God's fault, it's the father's fault. For the pagan children of those nations, it looks like they had to pay the consequences of their parents sins, but they really didn't because God took them all to heaven. If they had been allowed to grow up to the age of accountability, they would have done the same things as their parents because that's what they'd seen and been taught, and they would have gone to hell for eternity instead. So in this case, God was being very merciful to them, even though it didn't look like it to those who are afraid of death. It also served as a warning not to sin again the one true God. Does that help? Read more: fresh-hope.com/thread/1083/next-study-explaining-contradictions?page=2&scrollTo=6464#ixzz3sXQtKx00Yes thank you! It did help a lot :)
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Nov 23, 2015 16:24:11 GMT -5
The above post of Barbara does help, this is what I was trying to say also. But, I cannot apply this to the baby of David and Bestheba . I don't know how it applies to this since the baby was some days old. OK, good! Let's look at it closer then. The story of David's baby can be very hard to understand when we look with eyes that tend to see things the way the world does. First, we have to realize that what David did was very wrong and God had to punish him. David wasn't just a regular guy anymore, he was the King of a whole nation, and God tells us that a leader, whether they are a king or a president, or the leader of a church, is responsible for all their people, and therefore their sins are judged more harshly because they can and will affect all the people they lead. If you read the beginning of the story where God sends the prophet Nathan, and Nathan tells David a story, you see that David, when he judged the man in Nathan's story, actually judged himself, and God accepted his judgement. This was part of David's job as King. He had to judge between people and carry out those judgements, so God allowed him to actually judge himself though he didn't know it at the time.
Look at what David said: “David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, “As surely as the LORD lives, the man who did this deserves to die! He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity.”” (2 Samuel 12:5–6) We see truth here, as we know that adulterers were to be stoned to death, so both David and Bathsheba deserved to die because of what they did. And of course murder is also a death sentence according to God. So David deserved to die two times over for what he did. BUT, we also know and see here that God is merciful and willing for forgive sin when the person repents. The next part of the story is also hard to understand because it sure doesn't sound like God is being merciful here, but He really is: Nathan says this is what God says: “Why did you despise the word of the LORD by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.’ “This is what the LORD says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.’ ”” (2 Samuel 12:9–12) We know that God is always in control. Nothing happens without His knowledge and consent. He is not literally going to cause these things to happen to David, but rather they will all happen as a consequence of his sins and would have happened anyway. Here God is telling him in advance what his sins have caused to be put in motion in his life. This includes the death of the baby: “Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan replied, “The LORD has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt, the son born to you will die.”” (2 Samuel 12:13–14)
Remember, David was the King and many other pagan nations watched what happened in Israel to see what God would do. So when David sinned this way, it made God look bad and He had to show that He would not allow people to get away with these things, and so David had to pay the price by losing his son. To the unsaved, death is seen as "bad". So for others to see that God took the son that came from adultery, would show that He would not allow his people to get away with that sin. Of course death is also "bad" to us because we miss the people that die. So in this way it punished David and Bathsheba too. However, the baby was NOT punished. The baby went to Heaven and is there to this day. In this case, David was the one who unknowingly, set his own punishment when he said that the man should pay 4 times over, that means, 4 deaths, and that's exactly what happened. The first was his baby, the next was another son years later and so on. Also one of his sons, took his wives and laid with them in public just as God said would happen, and then he too was killed.
Back to the baby dying though. In this life, we tend to see death as "bad", but God doesn't want us to. Death is not bad unless the person has not been saved. Then there's nothing worse. But for a baby, or child under the age of accountability, or for someone who is saved, death is a good thing. It's basically being born to live for eternity with God without any sin nature. There's nothing at all "bad" about that. So really, by taking the baby, God did not punish the baby, He punished David and Bathsheba as they would miss him. David knew that, and David understood that death was not bad, but that he would miss the child. That's why he stopped mourning and praying as soon as the child died. So the baby did not pay for his parents sins, in a way you could say he got the best gift of all and didn't have to live to die the way his brothers would later, not to mention go through all the trials that life brings us. Instead he got to go spend eternity with God right away and would meet his parents again when they joined him.
We have to be careful not put put our values which are often wrong, on God. He doesn't see things like we do, He sees the Truth. Our view is often if not always corrupted by our sin nature and what the world has taught us.
Wow! It was so obvious and I could not see it! I should add also 1 Thessalonians 4:13! But how about the children of the pagan nations that had to die. Is it the same thing? That because they are under the age of accountability they went to heaven?
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Nov 19, 2015 16:06:48 GMT -5
I think, children (even babies) are by nature sinners, if they have parents who are unbelievers who hate God, the children have 2 strikes against them. Children won't seek after God "“There is no one righteous, not even one; 11 there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God."
And children often imitate their parents. Sin is basically contagious, so quite often they will adopt many of the sins of their parents, to the degree they follow in the footsteps of the same sins as their parents, they will eventually ( if they don't repent and turn to the Lord) suffer the same consequences and must pay the same payment for the same sins of their parents.
But when they reach the age of accountability having made the choice to sin like their parents, the payment they must pay is a result of their own choice for what is now their sins.
2 Kings 14:6 "....."Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin"
Deuteronomy 24:6 "Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin."
Ezekiel 18:20 "The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them."
Ezekiel 18:4 "For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child--both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die." The above post of Barbara does help, this is what I was trying to say also. But, I cannot apply this to the baby of David and Bestheba . I don't know how it applies to this since the baby was some days old.
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Nov 18, 2015 16:45:17 GMT -5
I squeeze my mind, I read those scriptures, but I don't have the answer yet. I try to think and pray that God opens my mind.
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Nov 17, 2015 15:09:28 GMT -5
When we take the example of David who committed adultery and Bathsheba got pregnant from it, and the baby died, it seems like the kid paid for Davids sin. But, every human being has a purpose to fulfill, God has a plan. So that kid's purpose was to show and remind David of the consequence of sin and to make him consider to get back and have a relationship with the Lord. When the kid fulfilled its purpose it died. You did a good job on that Eva. I know it's difficult for you what with the difference in language, but I can tell from what you've written that you have the basics of it. The only thing I would have a problem with is what you said about no one in the OT paying for the sins of their parents, as I can think of any number of times that happens, or at least appears to happen. How about when David committed adultery and Bathsheba got pregnant from it, and the baby died? How about all the children of the pagans that God told Israel to kill? Most people would say that it was unfair to kill the children and especially the babies so it would look like they were punished for their parents sins. How would you answer if someone brought things like that up to you?
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Nov 12, 2015 12:40:34 GMT -5
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience Eva. Did you read my reply to you about the study you did? Yes I did. But I will reply as soon as I get home from my computer and with internet access :)
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Nov 11, 2015 18:09:54 GMT -5
Hello guys. I have limited internet access. I managed to get some days off work found a cheap flight and flew to Thessaloniki. I will be here till Monday. I am realm upset... I know a woman here long before I left the town. She's around 65 the mother of an old friend. I have spoken to her about the Lord. Today we managed to go to the local church together for the first time. I remember always that people there were cold as ice. I used to live next door and went there. Worse than the church in the island. Lived next at the next building of pastors house. They were able to see my balcony. But they never knew me... And when I stopped going there they only consider to keep me quiet when I had some fights with my father. I have forgotten this. But... Ok I wanted to go with this woman to a church and since it was the only one available and this was our chance... Ah! They were talking about some chapters in Revelation. Of course the woman didn't understand anything. Even worse nobody cared about who we were and what we were doing there. Not even a typical hello and God Bless at the end. At least in Rhodes we do this! Ok I lost the game. :'( Probably they are not interested in spreading the gospel to the non Christians... Almost want to cry
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Nov 8, 2015 3:03:08 GMT -5
You did a good job on that Eva. I know it's difficult for you what with the difference in language, but I can tell from what you've written that you have the basics of it. The only thing I would have a problem with is what you said about no one in the OT paying for the sins of their parents, as I can think of any number of times that happens, or at least appears to happen. How about when David committed adultery and Bathsheba got pregnant from it, and the baby died? How about all the children of the pagans that God told Israel to kill? Most people would say that it was unfair to kill the children and especially the babies so it would look like they were punished for their parents sins. How would you answer if someone brought things like that up to you? Oh! Yes you are right.Those kids were indeed punished for their parents sins. Can this also happen today? Lets say a man sin and his kid born handicapped or die in the birth? As for my reaction about if this is unfair. I don't have an answer. I have to think. Can you give me some hints to find it? Also... By the way. I am sick AGAIN! :( Now I have a cold or something, running nose. Itching throat. But it haven't passed a week since I stopped meds for the previous thing. :(
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Oct 12, 2015 14:19:29 GMT -5
Don't worry :) I know about this kind of accidents with computers. Its good to check for the cost of repairing if that's possible. And if its too high you can check for a refurbished computer at a low cost, if possible. I hope this is not necessary. Was it an old pc. What did it do before ? Did you see any signs? Lets say overheating or something?
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Sept 4, 2015 14:51:56 GMT -5
Do we have to write specific number of words or something?
I would add also verses from the OT, when the life of Kings in Israel was described, and it says in many places that kings that have honored God were not in trouble but sinners and people who showed disobedience where in actual trouble. I haven't seen anyone being in trouble for something that his father did in that period.
What I believe it says in the following verse:
“You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.” (Exodus 20:5–6), is that when a parent teaches his children to follow false Gods and they do, they will face the consequence of that sin. They will be punished for their own sin not for the sin of the parent. But the parent has done much damage in them. He sinned for himself and he taught sin also to them. This reminds me mostly of 2 Corinthians 6:14, the known "do not be yoked with unbelievers"... An unbeliever would not stand his child as a believer and he would do anything he can to see his child follow the master he has, who unfortunately is Satan. But, of course we do not learn only from our family, and God has known us long before our creation, He selected us. And despite parents who don't believe, we can be saved and the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is cleaning us from our sins. So indeed "God will give to each person according to what he has done.”” (Romans 2:6), and there is not a contradiction there
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Sept 4, 2015 14:20:25 GMT -5
This is quite challenging I would say!
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Aug 7, 2015 13:17:04 GMT -5
Please remind me of the thread we are working
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Aug 6, 2015 12:52:03 GMT -5
Oh dear, you did the wrong book hon. I asked you to do 1 John, not the gospel of John. Oh well, we'll just have to deal with it then. In the future though, you need to be careful to note the difference between John the gospel and the letters he wrote which are called 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John. The assignment I gave you only had 10 verses in it. No wonder this one took you so long. Ok, do you want me to start it now?He came to the place He belonged, the Messiah that the Jews have been waiting for centuries, but they did not recognize Him and killed Him. However, He adopts those who are willing to accept Him, despite of their nationality. While that is true, John doesn't say that. He says that Jesus came to "the world", not just to the Jew's, and that it was "the world" who did not accept Him, again, not just the Jew's. Ok. I think it is clearYou said the law came through Moses and grace through Jesus which is right, but the rest here, I don't understand where you got it or what you mean....You said: "And then establishes us who saw Moses once, he had seen Jesus, no one has seen the Father. I think Adam and Eve were talking to Jesus, is that correct?" The verses say: “For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.” (John 1:17–18) I've looked at even the oldest translations but none of them say anything like that. They all say that No one has ever seen God but Jesus has made Him known to us". The bible says that if any human actually saw God as He really is, the person would die of fright and shock at His purity and magnificence. Jesus was and is God but when He was on earth, he was not seen as He really is. Instead he was wearing a human body which we are able to see. Three of the disciples got a small look at Jesus as He really is during the transfiguration (Matthew 17:2) but even then they did not see Him in all His glory, they only got a small taste of what He really looks like, otherwise it would have killed them. The human body He wore hid His glory from us, and during the transfiguration, He allowed a little of His glory to shine through it for them. All we know is that Adam and Eve spoke to God, we don't know if it was the Father or Jesus, but since we are not told, it is generally thought it was the Father. Ok, I thing its clear. I couldn't translate it right. But, as for Adam and Eve, couldn't be Jesus among them?I really like what you said about the hearts of the people being a desert without God, that was very good! You said: "The Lord knew about him long ago like all His creations, but told him first something that would be understood by the human mind, that He noticed him when he was under the fig tree. Nathanael recognized Him as Son of God and the Lord told him that he will see much greater things than this, the sky opened and the angels. Later the students would see the Lord die and then resurrected and be among them. " What Jesus told him was something no one but Nathaniel knew about. Nathaniel was not standing beneath a fig tree when Jesus saw him then, Jesus was telling him about another time when he had been standing under a fig tree which is why it amazed Nathaniel, something only he and God would know about. (most likely a prayer he had said) Ok, now I understand about the fig tree, now it makes senceDo you understand why the pharisees were so curious about John and wanted to know why he was baptizing people and where he got the authority to do so? Were they wondering if he was the Messiah? Do you understand why John said he was not Elijah and Jesus said John was Elijah in Matthew 11:14? Hmm, we should discuss this. I don't knowYou did a very, very good job Eva! Thank you :)Read more: fresh-hope.com/thread/695/new-studies?page=2#ixzz3i3fjCdR3
|
|
|
Post by evafromgreece on Aug 4, 2015 15:43:04 GMT -5
Εκείνος που περιγράφεται ως λόγος είναι ο Ιησούς, ο Υιός του Θεού. Ο Ιησούς προϋπήρχε της δημιουργίας μαζί με τα άλλα δυο πρόσωπα της Αγίας Τριάδας (γεγονός που καταρρίπτει κάποιους ισχυρισμούς αιρέσεων που κάνουν λόγο για κτίσμα). Τα πάντα στη δημιουργία έγιναν μέσα από τον Υιό, εκείνος έδωσε τη ζωή και την ζωή στη γη αλλά και τη ζωή με το θάνατο και την Ανάσταση Του, και ήταν φως ανάμεσα στο σκοτάδι, όσο ήταν στη γη, αλλά οι άνθρωποι δεν κατάλαβαν. Ο Ιωάννης γεννήθηκε και η αποστολή που είχε λάβει από τον Κύριο ήταν να μιλήσει στο σκοτάδι- στους ανθρώπους, για το φως- για τον Ιησού. Φυσικά και δεν ήταν ο Ιωάννης το φως, ο Μεσσίας όπως νόμισαν κάποιοι.
The person who is described as the Word is Jesus, the son of God. Jesus pre-existed the creation together with the other two persons of the Trinity (and that proves wrong some cults who claim that Jesus is created and not the Son of God). Everything in creation was done through the Son. He gave life, life on Earth throught the creation, and life by His death on the Cross and His resurrection. He was the light in the darkness, as He was on Earth, but people did not understand. John's mission was was to speak in the dark (speak to humans), about the light-about Jesus. Of course John wasn't the light, the Messiah as some people then thought.
Ο Ιησούς, το φως το αληθινό, ο πραγματικός Σωτήρας που μπορεί να φωτίσει τις ψυχές μας, ήταν εδώ, στον κόσμο που ο ίδιος δημιούργησε, και τα δημιουργήματα του δεν τον αναγνώρισαν! Ήρθε στον τόπο του, ο Μεσσίας τον οποίο περίμεναν αιώνες οι Ιουδαίοι, αλλά δεν τον αναγνώρισαν και τον θανάτωσαν. Όσοι όμως θελήσουν να τον δεχθούν Εκείνος τους κάνει παιδιά του, και αυτό είναι ανεξάρτητο από το γενεαλογικό μας δέντρο, εξαρτάται μονάχα από τη θέληση μας. Ο Υιός ήρθε στη γη, πήρε σάρκα και οστά και ήρθε ανάμεσα μας και οι άνθρωποι θα έπρεπε να τον δουν από τη δόξα Του. Ο Ιωάννης τον ανέφερε λέγοντας πως εκείνος που έρχεται μετά από τον ίδιο είναι ανώτερος του, αφού υπήρχε πολύ πιο πριν (από τη δημιουργία). Και ο Ιησούς έφερε τη χάρη πάνω στη γη όπου μέχρι λίγο πριν υπήρχε η κυριαρχία του νόμου, ο οποίος αν δεν ακολουθούνταν έφερνε καταδίκη. Ο νόμος ήρθε στη γη μέσω του Μωυσή, η χάρη μέσω του Ιησού. Και έπειτα μας ξεκαθαρίζει ποιον είδε ο Μωυσής κάποτε, είχε δει τον Ιησού, κανείς δεν έχει δει τον πατέρα. Ίσως αυτό αφορά και τους πρωτόπλαστους, νομίζω.
Jesus, who is the true light, the real savior who can bring light to our souls, was here on earth He created and His creations did not recognize Him! He came to the place He belonged, the Messiah that the Jews have been waiting for centuries, but they did not recognize Him and killed Him. However, He adopts those who are willing to accept Him, despite of their nationality. The Son of God came to Earth, became a human and came between us. People should have seen His glory. John mentioned Him saying that He who comes after him is superior, since He was here on earth earlier (from the creation). And Jesus brought grace onto Earth where until shortly before there was the sovereignty of the law, which if not followed bring condemnation. The law came to Earth through Moses, grace came through Jesus. And then establishes us who saw Moses once, he had seen Jesus, no one has seen the Father. I think Adam and Eve were talking to Jesus, is that correct?
Οι γραμματείς και φαρισαίοι ήταν πολύ περίεργοι να μάθουν ποιος είναι ο Ιωάννης και ο ρόλος του. Εκείνος δεν έκρυψε την ταυτότητα του, δεν ήταν ούτε ο Μεσσίας, ούτε ο Ηλίας. Ήταν εκείνος όμως που φώναζε μέσα στην έρημο να ανοίξουν το δρόμο για τον Κύριο. Και πιστεύω πως η έρημος δεν αφορούσε μόνο την κυριολεκτική έννοια της ερήμου όπου ζούσε ο Ιωάννης. Έρημη ήταν και η κοινωνία-περιοχή στην οποία ήρθε να κατοικήσει ως άνθρωπος ο Κύριος. Δεν τον είδαν, δεν τον γνώρισαν. Έρημες είναι και οι καρδιές των ανθρώπων χωρίς τον Κύριο μέσα στον κόσμο. Δύσκολα τον αποδέχονται. Και Εκείνος είναι το νερό το ζωντανό μέσα στην έρημο. Έρημος είναι η καρδιά και η ψυχή του ανθρώπου...
The Pharisees were very curious to learn who was John and his role. He did not hide his identity, he was neither the Messiah, nor Elijah. But was he shouted through the desert to prepare the way for the Lord. And I think the desert was not only the literal meaning of the desert where John lived. The area and the society the Lord came to live as a human was also a desert. They didnt see Him, they didnt recognise Him.The hearts of people are a desert without the Lord. Its difficult for them to accept Him. And He is the fresh water in the desert. Desert is the heart and soul of man. ..
Οι Φαρισαίοι ως «έρημος» και πάλι δεν κατάλαβαν. Πηγαίνοντας με το γράμμα του νόμου τον ρωτούσαν με ποια δικαιοδοσία βαπτίζει, όπως λίγο αργότερα θα κατέκριναν τον Ιησού και θα τον ρωτούσαν «με ποια δύναμη τα κάνει όλα αυτά», επειδή τα μάτια τους δεν μπορούσαν να δουν την αλήθεια. Και πάλι ο Ιωάννης τους τονίζει πως εκείνος βαπτίζει απλά με νερό και διακηρύττει τον ερχομό Εκείνου, του ανώτερου που θα βάπτιζε με το Άγιο Πνεύμα, και που εκείνοι δεν τον αναγνωρίζουν αν και ζει ανάμεσα τους.
The Pharisees as "desert" again did not understand. Going by the letter of the law(we use that expression in greek, I dont know if it is correct) asked him with if it was his jurisdiction to baptise, as shortly the same people would have criticized Jesus and asking Him "with what power do all these" because their eyes could not see the truth. Again John the stresses he baptises simply with water and proclaims the coming of Him, senior who will baptise them with the Holy Spirit, and that they did not acknowledge Him although He lived among them.
Την επόμενη μέρα ο Ιωάννης είδε τον Ιησού να έρχεται προς το μέρος του, και πάλι μίλησε για την ταυτότητα Του. Ο Μεσσίας, ο Αμνός του Θεού, που θα θυσιαζόταν για τις δικές μας αμαρτίες και ολόκληρου του κόσμου. O Ιωάννης μιλά ξεκάθαρα για τον Ιησού, το λέει και πάλι πως για Αυτόν είχε μιλήσει και πιο πριν που προϋπήρχε και είναι ανώτερος από τον Ιωάννη. Για να φανερωθεί ο Ιησούς στον λαό Ισραήλ ο Ιωάννης βάπτιζε. Και όταν είδε τον Κύριο τον αναγνώρισε. Είχε προηγουμένως τη φανέρωση από το Άγιο Πνεύμα, πως όταν δει σε Εκείνον το Άγιο Πνεύμα να κατεβαίνει από τον ουρανό σε μορφή περιστεριού, αυτός θα είναι ο Μεσσίας. Έτσι, ο Ιωάννης έδωσε την μαρτυρία του για τον Ιησού όταν τον βάφτισε στο νερό πως ήταν ο Μεσσίας που όλοι περίμεναν. Και σε αυτό το σημείο αξίζει να σχολιάσουμε πως όλα έγιναν με βάση όσα είχαν ειπωθεί παλαιότερα από τους προφήτες για τον Μεσσία, αλλά η «έρημος» δεν τον είδε και δεν τον γνώρισε.
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and again talked about His identity. The Messiah, the Lamb of God, who will be sacrificed for our sins and the entire worlds sin. O John speaks plainly about Jesus, says again that for Him he had spoken also before, that the Lord existed long before and that He is greater than John. In order to reveal to the people of Israel Jesus John was baptising. And when he saw the Lord he recognized Him. Previously, the Holy Spirit had reveal to John that when he see someone that the Holy Spirit descends from heaven in the form of a dove to Him, He is the Messiah. So, John gave the testimony about Jesus when He was baptized in the water that he was the Messiah who everybody have been waiting. And at this point it is worth commenting on how everything was done on the basis of what had been said by the prophets about the Messiah, but the ' desert ' didnt see Him and didnt recognise Him..
Αλλά δεν ήταν όλων οι ψυχές έρημος. Από την μαρτυρία του Ιωάννη ακολούθησαν τον Ιησού οι πρώτοι μαθητές. Στο 35 μοιάζει οι πρώτοι μαθητές αυτοί να ήταν αρχικά μαθητές του Ιωάννη. Εκείνος βλέποντας τον Κύριο είπε στον Ανδρέα και έναν ακόμη μαθητη πως αυτός είναι ο Μεσσίας, ο Αμνός του Θεού, και εκείνοι τον ακολούθησαν θέλοντας να μάθουν το που μένει και ποιος είναι, απόλυτα πεπεισμένοι για την ταυτότητα Του, σε αντίθεση με τους διδασκάλους του νόμου. Ο Ανδρέας με πίστη και όντας αρκετά ενθουσιώδης φώναξε και τον αδερφό του τον Σίμωνα να δει τον Ιησού τον Μεσσία. Όχι εκείνον που «ίσως» και να ήταν ο Κύριος, αλλά του δήλωσε πως «βρήκαμε το Μεσσία», ήταν απόλυτος σε αυτό και δεν είχε αμφιβολία. Και τότε ο Ιησούς ονόμασε τον Σίμωνα , Κηφά, Πέτρο.
But they wasn't all desert souls. Because of the testimony of John the first students followed Jesus. In verse 35 it seems like that the first students were Johns students at first. John said to Andrea and another student that the Lord was the Messiah, the Lamb of God, and they followed Him wanting to learn where He was living and exactly Who He was, while they were totally convinced of his identity, on the contrary to the teachers of the law. Andrew with faith and being quite enthusiastic cralled and his brother Simon to see Jesus the Messiah. Not the person who "maybe" was the Lord, Andrew said that "we have found the Messiah"and he had no doubt. And then Jesus called Simon, Kifa, Peter. Εξίσου ενθουσιώδεις ήταν και οι άλλοι δύο μαθητές που κλήθηκαν από τον Ιησού. Αρχικά κλήθηκε ο Φίλιππος, ο Κύριος του είπε απλά «ακολούθησε με», και εκείνος το έκανε. Όχι πολλά λόγια, όχι πολλά βαριά επιχειρήματα, και όμως ο Φίλιππος ακολούθησε και μάλιστα προσκάλεσε και τον Ναθαναήλ λέγοντας του πως «βρέθηκε αυτός για τον οποίο ο Μωυσής έγραψε το νόμο και προφήτευαν οι προφήτες»! Ο Κύριος είχε ταπεινή καταγωγή, γιος ενός άσημου ξυλουργού από τη Ναζαρέτ. Ο Ναθαναήλ αναρωτήθηκε εάν θα μπορούσε ο Μεσσίας να κατάγεται από μια τόσο άσημη πόλη. Ο Φίλιππος τον κάλεσε να δει με τα μάτια του. Ήταν για αυτόν τόσο πειστική η παρουσία του Ιησού, που δεν χωρούσε αμφιβολία πως και ο Ναθαναήλ θα πειστεί για τον Κύριο. Και όμως, κάποιοι άλλοι δεν μπόρεσαν να δουν ούτε και να ακούσουν.
Equally enthusiastic were the other two students who were called by Jesus. At the beginning Jesus called Philip, the Lord told him simply "follow me", and he did. Not many words, not many heavy arguments, and yet Philip followed Him and even invited also Nathanael saying that " we found the person for whom Moses wrote the law and the prophets did prophesies»! The Lord had humble origin, son of a nameless carpenter of Nazareth. Nathaniel wondered if he could be the Messiah descended from such obscure city. Philip called Him to see with his eyes. He was so convinced by t the presence of Jesus, and there was no doubt that also Nathaniel will be convinced about the Lord. Yet others were not able to see nor to hear.
Ο Ιησούς βλέποντας το Ναθαναήλ τόνισε αυτή την αγνότητα στη καρδιά που είδε σε εκείνον! «Να ένας αληθινός Ισραηλίτης, χωρίς δόλο»! Ο Ναθαναήλ παραξενεύτηκε. Ο Κύριος τον ήξερε από πολύ πριν όπως και όλα τα δημιουργήματα Του, όμως του είπε για αρχή κάτι που θα ήταν κατανοητό από τον ανθρώπινο του νου, πως τον είδε όταν ήταν κάτω από τη συκιά. Ο Ναθαναήλ τον αναγνώρισε ως Υιό του Θεού και ο Κύριος του είπε πως θα δει πολύ μεγαλύτερα πράγματα από αυτά, τον ουρανό ανοιγμένο και τους αγγέλους. Αργότερα οι μαθητές θα έβλεπαν τον Κύριο να πεθαίνει και έπειτα να βρίσκεται μαζί τους αναστημένος. Jesus seeing Nathanael pointed the purity in heart who saw in him! "See a true Israelite, without deceit!" This seemed strange for Nathaniel. The Lord knew about him long ago like all His creations, but told him first something that would be understood by the human mind, that He noticed him when he was under the fig tree. Nathanael recognized Him as Son of God and the Lord told him that he will see much greater things than this, the sky opened and the angels. Later the students would see the Lord die and then resurrected and be among them.
|
|