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Post by Cindy on Mar 29, 2024 9:20:05 GMT -5
Here we're going to be discussing a book called Sunsets. Anyone is welcome to comment on what we say.
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Post by fearnot on Mar 29, 2024 14:08:45 GMT -5
I will begin to post, probably tomorrow.
I am in Chapter 4 right now....
but we are going to Calvary at 6
for a good Friday service/bible study etc.
so, I am doing a load of laundry, dishes etc.
But I am very much enjoying it!
I am so glad you suggested it!
Thank you!!!
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Post by Cindy on Mar 30, 2024 11:45:18 GMT -5
Feel free to post any questions or concerns you have from what you've read, or anything that you just want to discuss further.
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Post by fearnot on Mar 30, 2024 16:58:19 GMT -5
I will...I am kind of a scattered brain right now...
2 nights of about 4 hours of sleep...
only...
I need more like 8-12 hours haha
So yeah....
And we went to a 6:00 Good Friday service at Calvary last night,
which was great...but still added to my being tired today.
Tired and a little down
( in part, just being tired adds to being slightly down,
and achy/pain one can get tired of that...
which alone is why this book, is a big help!!!)
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Post by Cindy on Apr 2, 2024 7:05:20 GMT -5
OK, why "down"? and what have you done to make your thoughts right with God? I haven't been sleeping well either for quite awhile now. Eventually I get so tired that I'll sleep like a log for a couple of nights in a row and then it's back to not sleeping again. It's often due to pain, but other times I simply can't go to sleep no matter how tired I am. Still other times I feel like I'm not sleeping at all, although I know I actually am. But it's not a restful sleep, if you know what I mean. If I don't keep my eyes closed for at least 8 hours a night, my eyes hurt really badly the next day, which doesn't help my disposition at all. 
I meant to ask you if it's bothering you to read about what happens to your body as you die? Let me post an example that's pretty benign for anyone else that might be reading along.
Earlier I had explained to his wife about the body’s ability to compensate. When the blood pressure starts to drop, the heart and lungs take over to bring it back up. The heart starts pumping faster, and breathing speeds up in response to the heart. But I had told her that Jerry would be unable to compensate indefinitely, that it was only a matter of time before he took his last breath. That’s why hospice was on the scene, watching, monitoring, and helping to ensure a peaceful and pain-free death. Hospice does nothing to hasten death. But it doesn’t try to prolong life either.
I looked from his face with its pale, sunken cheeks to the smiling image of a robust man I hardly recognized in a picture on his nightstand, taken before his first stroke. Hard to believe it was the same man. “He has such a good heart,” I recalled them saying.
I leaned close to his face and told him, “Jerry, it takes more than a good heart to go to heaven.” I’m not sure how much people can hear or comprehend when they are in a coma, but I’m told that the hearing is the last thing to go. I hoped that he could hear me.
“You remember learning about Jesus when you were a boy. Think about Jesus, Jerry. Remember Him. Ask Him to save you, Jerry, and He will. Just ask Him, Jerry. He’ll forgive your sins. He’ll take you to be with Him in heaven.”
Sunsets: reflections for life’s final journey.
Chris couldn't talk, he was in a drug induced coma. The doctors and nurses all assured us that he could hear everything, but simply couldn't respond. They said he could feel anyone touching him too. I already knew this from my own experiences working with the dying, but appreciated them telling me anyway. I talked to Chris constantly and either held his hand or rubbed his arm the entire time until he finally drew his last breath. Although he was in the hospital instead of having hospice, the treated him very much like they would have if he'd been on hospice care. He'd been admitted to the hospital by ambulance at 12:15am on December 1st, after having a major heart attack and was still having a massive gastrointestinal bleed. Basically that simply means that he was bleeding to death internally. For the first 6 hours they tried everything to save him, but nothing worked. Then when their last ditch effort (which included at least 6 doctors and a bunch of nurses) they changed to comfort care and were very glad when I agreed and told them he was DNR (do not resuscitate), had a living will, and that we didn't want any heroics done to keep him alive. A nurse stayed with him constantly for the next 4 hours. She was constantly wiping the blood away from his nose and suctioning it out of his mouth. She constantly was murmuring to him whenever I was quiet for a minute or more, things like "there, that must feel better", and "you're doing just fine" and telling him that we were right there too. His breathing was just like the book describes (and it goes into more detail later). I knew when he was about to take his last breath and was able to tell him one last time that I loved him and kiss his forehead again before he left us and opened his eyes in Heaven.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 2, 2024 21:22:31 GMT -5
So far, from what I have read, I think that hospice would be something I would prefer.
It was a blessing they were so kind and good to Chris,
but I am not so sure about our hospital.
It is not that I think they would be mean,
but rather, they would not be speaking about Jesus, scriptures, God, etc. and they might be too rigid about family being there etc.
However, I don't know if we have hospice here....
that is something I need to find out....
maybe if not in Seaside, then maybe in Astoria?
(and they would be willing to come to Seaside)
Monday, and today,
I did home schooling with Devon, and did not read anymore, yet... in Sunsets.
But tomorrow, he goes to the men's morning Bible study,
and then at night we go to Calvary Bible study....
soooo after I shower etc, in the morning,
I should have time to read further.
My sleep pattern, is almost exactly like yours.
I think I am down because of being just tired of fighting physical pain, but also,
saddened by the ever downward collapse of this world.
I know, sin has always been...
but it just seems there is so much more cold-heartedness,
by so many more people.
There were always mean angry people,
but now,
it seems like an invasive plant that has taken over....
so sin plus many many more hearts that have grown cold.
Like how anti semitism is off the charts!
That is so sad,
(but it does prove God's Word is once again absolutely true)!
And I think being so less active than I used to be...
not even the deterioration at death,
but while living.
One thing you did say to me a long long time ago,
that stuck...
was, even IF, one became completely bedridden
( I am not there yet)
but one could still be obedient to the Lord, by prayer.
That was super helpful!
And so I am spending more and more time talking to Jesus.
I will try to get back here tomorrow, after reading
(hopefully), another chapter or two or three more :)
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Post by Cindy on Apr 3, 2024 11:19:02 GMT -5
So far, from what I have read, I think that hospice would be something I would prefer.
It was a blessing they were so kind and good to Chris,
but I am not so sure about our hospital.
It is not that I think they would be mean,
but rather, they would not be speaking about Jesus, scriptures, God, etc. and they might be too rigid about family being there etc.
However, I don't know if we have hospice here....
that is something I need to find out....
maybe if not in Seaside, then maybe in Astoria?
(and they would be willing to come to Seaside)
Monday, and today,
I did home schooling with Devon, and did not read anymore, yet... in Sunsets.
But tomorrow, he goes to the men's morning Bible study,
and then at night we go to Calvary Bible study....
soooo after I shower etc, in the morning,
I should have time to read further.
My sleep pattern, is almost exactly like yours.
I think I am down because of being just tired of fighting physical pain, but also,
saddened by the ever downward collapse of this world.
I know, sin has always been...
but it just seems there is so much more cold-heartedness,
by so many more people.
There were always mean angry people,
but now,
it seems like an invasive plant that has taken over....
so sin plus many many more hearts that have grown cold.
Like how anti semitism is off the charts!
That is so sad,
(but it does prove God's Word is once again absolutely true)!
And I think being so less active than I used to be...
not even the deterioration at death,
but while living.
One thing you did say to me a long long time ago,
that stuck...
was, even IF, one became completely bedridden
( I am not there yet)
but one could still be obedient to the Lord, by prayer.
That was super helpful!
And so I am spending more and more time talking to Jesus.
I will try to get back here tomorrow, after reading
(hopefully), another chapter or two or three more :)
Yes, we can always pray and we can always read our Bibles too. Those two things alone are more than enough to keep us going! Don't forget to take negative thoughts captive and make them right!
Is this your area?
Lower Columbia Hospice – Astoria
Address: 2111 Exchange Street, Astoria, OR 97103
Primary Contact: Rhonda Conrad, BSN, RN
Primary Email: rconrad@columbiamemorial.org
Telephone: 503.338.6230
Website: www.columbiamemorial.org/services/hospice-care/
Cities Served: Arch Cape, Astoria, Knappa, Warrenton, Seaside, Cannon Beach, Westport, Jewell, Mist
Counties Served: Clatsop
oregonhospice.org/program/lower-columbia-hospice/
Find the best hospices near Seaside, Oregon
Lower Columbia Hospice
2158 Exchange Street, Suite 206
Astoria, OR 97103
Community Home Health & Hospice
1035 Eleventh Ave
Longview, WA 98632
Care Partners
1600 Nw Compton Drive, Suite 210
Beaverton, OR 97006
Visiting Angels
2365 SW Cedar Hills Blvd
Portland, OR 97225
everloved.com/hospices/OR/seaside/
Understanding the Four Levels of Hospice Care
www.allied-services.org/news/2021/february/understanding-the-four-levels-of-hospice-care/
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Post by fearnot on Apr 3, 2024 13:20:54 GMT -5
What an absolute sweetheart you are!
Thank you ever so much for taking time out of your busy busy life and finding that!!
Yes, I live in Seaside, Oregon, and Astoria is our 'big' city about 15-20 miles away or so ( I think)...
it is to the north of Seaside.
Seaside, then going North is Gearhart,
then Warrenton,
and then Astoria.
So I finished reading Ch. 4
The Sovereignty of God,
and am now reading,
Ch. 5
The Sovereignty of God in Salvation.
it really is a great comforting book!
And I will probably reread it
I didn't go to each scripture at the beginning of reading
( I am now)
So that is another reason, among several,
to reread it!!!
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Post by fearnot on Apr 3, 2024 13:23:43 GMT -5
What I mean about not going to each scripture is
I did not initially go
and read the verse, in my John MacArthur study Bible....
making sure I had already underlined it,
and if not
to do so...
And to also read John's notes, on the verse or verses.
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Post by anna on Apr 3, 2024 15:03:45 GMT -5
On youtube there is a woman that talks about the dying process, has video shorts, that is, Hospice Nurse Julie.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 3, 2024 18:59:41 GMT -5
Thank you Anna:
I will most certainly take a look!!! 
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Post by fearnot on Apr 3, 2024 19:11:47 GMT -5
Here is another issue...
I am thinking you might not think it is very smart of me,
but I have lost so much trust in the medical field...
that I don't even want to go any more...
However....I understand, one cannot get hospice,
unless a doctor has deemed,
you will most likely die in 6 mts ( more or less).
Which means, I would have to continue going to RN's.
I suppose if I felt really really really badly,
I would go,
and then,
perhaps they might be able to discern
what is going on?
and then recommend me.
Our clinic is not super well equipped
and going all the way into Portland is a nightmare!
At the moment, I don't think I am anywhere near there...
6 mts. to live)...maybe not even close.
But it is really good to have the information!!!
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Post by Cindy on Apr 4, 2024 11:31:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Marlene!
Here is another issue...
I am thinking you might not think it is very smart of me,
but I have lost so much trust in the medical field...
that I don't even want to go any more...
However....I understand, one cannot get hospice,
unless a doctor has deemed,
you will most likely die in 6 mts ( more or less).
Which means, I would have to continue going to RN's.
I suppose if I felt really really really badly,
I would go,
and then,
perhaps they might be able to discern
what is going on?
and then recommend me.
Our clinic is not super well equipped
and going all the way into Portland is a nightmare!
At the moment, I don't think I am anywhere near there...
6 mts. to live)...maybe not even close.
But it is really good to have the information!!!
Not quite.... If you have a terminal disease, and the doc says you only have 6 months to live, but you live past that, and the doc again says you only have 6 months to live, and it happens a third and fourth time, each time you would still be eligible for hospice. She explains this too, but I can't remember where.
Your best bet is to simply ask your RN or doctor if you are eligible, and if they say no, ask them to explain why. (be prepared to take notes!) For example: Christopher was eligible and was getting some services. He had an aid come out a couple of times a week to check on him and to clean his house for him. He was supposed to also have one come out to handle his meds and deal with his health issues too, but that was in the process of being set up. However, if you had come to my house and met Christopher, you likely would have thought there was nothing wrong with him - well, unless his stomach was all swollen up so that he looked 9 months pregnant with twins lol. But that was only sometimes. He acted like a healthy young man most of the time. He wasn't healthy, but to look at him, other than his swollen stomach, most people wouldn't have been able to tell there was anything at all wrong with him. I believed he was going to get well. I guess that's what hurts the most, as I really thought he was getting better. He got the services because he wasn't able to do much in the way of cleaning and because he had a lot of health issues.
As far as when to go to see a nurse practitioner or doctor, I'd suggest once every 6 months. That way you could take care of any medication issues that needed to be addressed, and you can let them know if you have any new issues or if anything has changed. If you do that (and I know you liked the last one you saw!), then they would be able to determine when you are eligible for palliative or hospice care. Also, can't you do a telehealth visit? In other words, see the doctor/nurse on your computer or phone?
Palliative care is similar and you can get it for a chronic illness. Here are links that will tell you more about it:
What is Palliative care?
What does palliative care do? www.columbiamemorial.org/health-library/story/e4d7da86-1ab0-4ff3-b5ee-b5049a2620b9
Quiz about the difference between Palliative and hospice care: (they give you the right answers)
Right now I'm trying to get some of the same services for me. I can no longer clean my house the way it should be, and need help. I've asked my doctor to get me help, but I'm not waiting on her. Usually each state has an elder care agency that can help with things like this. I found this right away for your area: www.seniorcaring.com/senior-care-resources-in-seaside-oregon
The older we are, and the older our spouse is, and if we're disabled or have health issues, the more likely we are to get help for free. You do have to be willing to tell your age and if you're disabled or what your health issues are though.
Keep in mind that if you ever do get on hospice care, you may have to ask for a Christian nurse. BUT, if you start praying now and asking God to send you a born again, godly, Christian, hospice nurse, I bet He would! Then again, as far as getting help now for house cleaning, like I'm going for, maybe the Lord will send us someone who doesn't know Him but is interested and seeking for truth. Then we could help them even more than they help us! 
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Post by fearnot on Apr 11, 2024 11:46:05 GMT -5
6 mts sounds doable!
True, I am not able to keep the house up...barely at all!
So that is a possibility.
Telling my age haha is not an issue for me.
I think there was a time, when many women did not
want to tell people their age,
but I think that is mostly gone?
Leonard's youngest sister died in her sleep 2 nights ago.
He now has only one sister (well sibling) alive.
the other 4 have died.
The one that is still alive, is the only one I never met.
She is very liberal so we hardly ever talk on Facebook.
I do not wish to upset her.
She also, like or son, made it clear, she did not wish to hear
anything about Jesus, Christianity etc. from us.
( she actually went to a Catholic school her whole 12 years)
But she said, she has her 'own' thing, and she keeps such spiritual talk and thoughts to herself ( not an exact quote....)
she said this a few years back...
around COVID time.
So out of 6 siblings, in the family,
just Mary Catherine and Leonard are still living.
But she did email us about Debby's death.
Yes, I thought Chris was getting better also, from what you wrote.
It did seem like maybe he was coming to the point of being almost cured.
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Post by Cindy on Apr 13, 2024 10:06:59 GMT -5
I can relate. All of my family has been dead forever, since I was about 25. Bruce's family is all dead now too, but his last brother died about 5 years ago.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 16, 2024 20:00:55 GMT -5
Just a note to let you know, why I have been lagging on this book.
For one, the news in Israel, has kept me busy than usual.
But about a week ago, Leonard for the first time,
came home, happy as a clam.... 
he had found a new Christian fiction novel at the library,
and thought I might really like it!! 
He has never done that before, and was so proud of himself
and hoping I would like it.
I had to read it of course, and it was very good!
But that slowed me down.
And then, Devon wanted to dig deeper into home schooling,
( I had to make up tests etc.)
Not to mention, I'm not sleeping well 'some' nights....  
Partially because now that it is a wee bit warmer,
our two cats, instead of staying in and sleeping a LOT....
(like in the winter)
are instead frolicking outside at night more
but they are in and out and in and out all night
(well some nights more than others).
Some nights it will only be 2 times per cat 
BUT
some nights its been 12 times per cat!!!!!!!!!!!!!        
And then, I am still struggling,
to be more consistent with my Bible study,
on Fresh Hope!
But.....
fear not, I will get back to it!!!
However, I really want to apologize for holding us up. 
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Post by Cindy on Apr 17, 2024 12:24:20 GMT -5
No problem! Really, please don't worry about it. It's fine to put it off for however long you need to. 
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Post by Cindy on Apr 17, 2024 12:33:56 GMT -5
I clicked on the button too soon. I meant to also say that I was sorry you aren't sleeping well lately. I wasn't either but I took sleeping pills the doc gave me for 3 days in a row and a couple of other nights I had to take a muscle relaxer as I was getting leg cramps, and those knock me out too. So last nights the first time I haven't sleep well in the last 7 days. That was sure nice of Leonard! I'd have done the same thing if Bruce had gotten me a book. When our hubbys do something special like that we have to show them we appreciate it. And of course you have the home schooling. Honestly, I don't know how you do it all, but I'm glad you can! So please don't feel like you "have" to do anything on Fresh Hope by a certain time, or that you have to "hurry' or anything like that. That's the total opposite of what I want. Just do what you have to do, and when you've got time and feel like reading the book, that's fine. Until then, just relax and don't worry about it!
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Post by fearnot on Apr 17, 2024 20:22:38 GMT -5
Awwww you are so sweet, understanding and just plain kind!!!
I did not sleep a wink last night...
do you know how I know that?
I had the worst case ever of being itchy....
everywhere arggghhh!
And I could not blame it on the cats,
because last night they were good!
We are getting ready to go to our Calvary Wed. night Bible study.
What is funny ( well, not the 5 car accident part)
But Pastor Chris lives in Warrington, and has to drive to Seaside
BUT
101 was closed
and he did NOT go the loooooong way around
( we did not even try to go last Wed. because we thought he would not be able to get to Seaside...
But I did not know, we have a 'crazy' pastor lolol
He drove all the way....on the beaches!!!
Evidently ( and everyone agrees it is in fact true and legal here)
The beaches here are technically real road ways!!
Who knew?
Well...yup, he is a 'crazy'....dedicated pastor!!!
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Post by fearnot on Apr 17, 2024 20:23:36 GMT -5
Oh and I am still itchy....and took a shower, used some kinds of itchy creams....no deal!
Still itchy sigh!
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Post by Cindy on Apr 18, 2024 10:55:38 GMT -5
What is funny ( well, not the 5 car accident part)
But Pastor Chris lives in Warrington, and has to drive to Seaside
BUT
101 was closed
and he did NOT go the loooooong way around
( we did not even try to go last Wed. because we thought he would not be able to get to Seaside...
But I did not know, we have a 'crazy' pastor lolol
He drove all the way....on the beaches!!!
Oh and I am still itchy....and took a shower, used some kinds of itchy creams....no deal!
Still itchy sigh!That is a dedicated pastor! I hope he wasn't in an accident though. And that no one was hurt.
Hmmmm itchy.... could be from something you ate or drank, something you touched, poison ivy, etc, or a new med if you just started a new one, or all kinds of things. I usually take Benadryl when I'm itchy like that. But my body has a habit to getting itchy rashes whenever it's bored.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 20, 2024 19:04:17 GMT -5
Aha! Here is a quote by Deborah, that was a great help!!
And it is something you have said to me in the past...
but of course over time, I kind of forgot it...
Nevertheless, your book recommendation,
brought it back into my life! :)
From time to time, I will worry,
that I don't have enough faith,
or am tooooo sinful etc. etc.
But I love what she wrote
( and you have said):
"If you are not chosen by God,
as His child,
you will NEVER EVER
desire that He save you."
That is a comforting thing!!
So I do desire that He will save me....
and have greatly desired,
and believe that He has saved me....
except... when I think...
Oh no I sinned again etc.
But if I were not His,
I would not care, one bit!
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Post by Cindy on Apr 23, 2024 9:40:31 GMT -5
 I'm glad it helped!
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Post by fearnot on Apr 28, 2024 21:12:46 GMT -5
So here is something I read in 'Sunsets' today...
about the so-called, 'death with dignity'....
Mostly,
not true....
and when I think about it,
Jesus did not die with 'dignity'....
But then there is this:
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.
It is sown a perishable body,
it is raised
an imperishable body;
43 it is sown in dishonor,
it is raised in glory;
it is sown in weakness,
it is raised in power;
44 it is sown a natural body,
it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:42-44
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Post by fearnot on May 17, 2024 22:36:20 GMT -5
Oh....just to let you know, I am still reading this....
just a LOT more slowly....
It seems like the older I get,
I have more to do than I used to.
That may not be true, but it feels like it sometimes.
And.....
I have less and less energy to do things.
Oh I still have a day, here and there,
where I do have a bit of energy,
and manage to get a few things done.....
Just so you know, I am reading the part about
The purposes of suffering.
It is really good, and very helpful.
I didn't want you to think,
I was not reading it at all....
I am just being a slow poke....
but I think I am almost 150 pages into it.
But like everything else
it seems like I am reading more things,
at once....
I used to read
JUST ONE book at a time!!!
But now, I am studying,
my Bible at home,
and a few times a week here online
and just 'fun' reading,
and this book,
and some of the books Devon and I are studying (
(some of those, I read 2 or 3 times,
in order to write a test...
But actually right now,
Devon and I are writing a test together.
It's Dr. Jason Lisle book
( the physics of Einstein)
and it is getting deeper and deeper...YIKES!!!
so, I thought it would be good,
for Devon to learn what to pick out of it...
what is really important to glean from it.
As usual he is taking it very seriously
I think we have
(in the chapter we are now in)
hahaha
3 questions
and the answers!
Talk about slow going!!!!
But this ( Sunsets) is a very good, and very very helpful book.
I thank you so much for suggesting it!!!!!
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Post by fearnot on May 26, 2024 22:34:55 GMT -5
I am reading the part about when death is really imminent, and that the dying person may have 'visions'.
She wrote two things about that,
that really stood out to me
Not to assume they are hallucinations or drug reactions,
Just because we cannot see an angel or Jesus there, does not mean they are not real.
But then, even more encouraging was she wrote
"Fear is rarely experienced".
And then followed by the giving permission to go.
And she points out when talking about grieving over them...
that even Jesus cried over Lazarus!
So I am on page 182 :)
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Post by fearnot on Jun 22, 2024 18:44:33 GMT -5
Now I am on page 268 about Hell.
I know this is not true
( that a person will in fact get a 2nd chance after death)
But...
( she( the author) even talks about how,
even Christians have a 'human desire or wish...
for 'hope'....
that after a million or zillion years,
then,
those in Hell might finally truly want to be with God, and could be.
( In this life, we sometimes wish our unsaved loved ones
might eventually change their minds after eons of being in Hell)
But I either read, or heard
( maybe from John Macarthur...
I just don't remember...maybe it was you?)
But instead of finally being truly sorry for sinning against God,
being repentant,
desiring to be with God....
Those in Hell,
will in fact,
have just become 'MORE" hateful of God over endless eons and eons!
They would want to be with Him even Less and less and less...NOT at all!
It is NOT JUST an angry wrathful God,
punishing them....
He actually gave them what they wanted...
to NOT be with God, that they HATE!!!
Rather, they continue 'justifying' their sinful hearts
and being filled more and more with hate.
So that, even IF Jesus came in a zillion years to Hell,
and said to them:
You can now come to Heaven to be with Me forever,
they would spit in His face
( if they could spit)
Not unlike those who hung Him on the cross...
They would NOT go,
even IF they could!
They would not ever change....
It seems incomprehensible,
but they would 'choose' Hell
over being with God!!
Whereas punishment on earth, can and does
'sometimes' change a person's heart,
it also often hardens other people's hearts.
Those in Hell will feel, self-righteous, and absolutely wronged,
and they would ONLY wish to continue
and to want to do whatever sins they please!
They are not interested in being 'goody goodies'...
to them, it is the height of boredom,
and the lack of being 'FREE'
They cannot see they are enslaved and in bondage to their sins,
and even IF they could,
they don't want to be set free...
they love their sins!
Yes, they would want to be out of HELL
for sure...
but ONLY to be 'FREE'
to sin,
and they would NEVER wish or want to be with God!
it makes me wonder if their own hatred of God,
burns more hot
than the fires of Hell
or at least stokes it more?
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fearnot
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Post by fearnot on Jul 13, 2024 15:09:00 GMT -5
I did finish Sunsets.
I am thinking I might reread it....
because it was not until I was 3/4 through,
I started thinking about keeping a booklet of verses to be read...
( assuming I am dying before the rapture).
So for one thing,
there are a lot of verses she gave
( all in one place)
that I will put in my verses book.
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Post by Cindy on Jul 14, 2024 7:33:46 GMT -5
You know what you mentioned about the dying person having visions? Many of my patients had visions and I'm quite sure they were real even though I couldn't see them. Even my mom did when she died. (I was only 20 then but I remember it well.) I don't know who she saw, only that she saw someone, because I heard her ask them questions, mainly about me. First she complained that I didn't have enough money (my new husband was a bum and she knew it) and then she asked them if I'd be alright. Of course I couldn't hear the replies, only her side, but whatever the answer was, it seemed to give her peace.
About the people in hell and how they'll feel, I know I've heard MacArthur say that, so you probably did too. It reminds me of the unsaved people during the last half of the tribulation. They are so programmed with lies and hate (by their own choice, mind you) that even though they know that the judgments are from God and why He is sending them (due to sin) they curse Him even when dying, rather than asking for salvation! I think sin (hate is a sin) is like a really potent poison that's addictive, but it seems to taste really good. The more you drink, the worse you become and you realize it. But by then you're addicted to the poison and you really don't care about anything other than getting more of it.
I've read Sunsets through twice myself and just finished the second time. I wanted to tell you to please continue to read it when you get to the Appendix at the end. The reason I say that is because she goes over a lot of frequently asked questions about hospice there which will give you more good information about it.
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