Post by Cindy on Jul 19, 2015 7:14:52 GMT -5
I’ve met some Goth’s who say they are saved and yet still dress, talk, and act very much like a Goth. This seemed strange to me until I realized that most Christians today still act the same way they did before they were saved. Of course that doesn’t make it right, but it does make it very confusing for others who are newly saved.
Christ call us all to be separate from the world, not a part of it, and that includes everything about us. If a person is a Christian, a true follower of Christ, they are required to leave behind their old life, and to become a new person, set apart by God and for God. That means that those of us who used to dress in sexually suggestive clothing, stopped doing that, and began dressing modestly as befitted a follower of Christ. That means that those of us who got into music that was about drugs, sex, violence etc., stopped listening to it and instead listened to music that was uplifting and had the elements in it that the Lord told us to look for in the things we put into our minds: Phil 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
The same is true of the "Goth" experience. When you become a true follower of Christ, you are no longer "Goth", instead you belong to God, you become a Christian and are called by His Name. Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
So as far as being "Goth" goes, there is no such thing if you are indeed a true disciple of Christ. You must give up your life, pick up your cross, and follow Him. As we’re told in Ephesians, we are to put off our old way of life and put on our new self which is created to be like God. Goth’s who want to be saved, need to do what Jesus told us all to do first: “Count the cost”. (Luke 14) they need to decide if it’s worth it to them to really give up their old ways and live according to God’s Word, just as every person that comes to Christ needs to decide. Sadly, we don’t hear a lot about “counting the cost” in churches today. All we hear is about the free gift of salvation. Well, the gift is free, but our response to it is going to cost us since we have to give up our old ways, and give up being the masters of our own lives and give Jesus the reigns. We no longer run our lives according to our wills, but instead according to God’s Will.
Lastly, we’re told that when we are saved we become part of a “new man”, a part of the body of Christ. We’re also told that our job is to be an ambassador of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:20) to the world. We represent God and His Kingdom to the world. Therefore we’re to dress, speak and act like citizens of Heaven, not citizens of this world. So you shouldn’t try to dress, speak or act like me, or your pastor, or anyone else you know. Instead, you should study God’s Word and find out what He says we’re to dress, speak and act like. For that’s the only way we have to know for sure how citizens of Heaven are to do things. In the “Pursuit of God” Tozer says:
"Millions call themselves by His name, it is true, and pay some token respect to Him, but a simple test will show how little He is really honored among them. Let the average man be put to the proof on the question of who or what is above, and his true position will be exposed. Let him be forced into making a choice between God and money, God and men, between God and personal ambition, God and self, God and human love, and God will take second place every time. Those other things will be exalted above. However the man may protest, the proof is in the choices he makes day after day throughout his life."
To that we can add, “let them choose between Goth or Christ, or Goth and popular music, etc” and God will take second place every time.” Sad, but true. All we have to do is look around and we can see the truth in it. Not many have truly given up their lives for Christ, even though they say they have. I would certainly not want to be one of the ones who hear Jesus say, "I don’t know you” as He does in Matthew 25:12. So the question, "Can a Goth be a Christian" can be answered, "Absolutely, if they are willing to give up their lives for Christ, just like everyone else He calls."
To help you get started, the following verses are a few that tell us how we’re to live when we’ve been saved.
Ephesians 4:22–24 —You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; *to be made new in the attitude of your minds; *and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
Romans 12:2 —Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Leviticus 20:26 `And you shall be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy, and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be Mine.
Psalm 4:3 Know that the Lord has set apart the godly for himself; the Lord will hear when I call to him.
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
1 Peter 3:15-16 But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
John 15:19 "If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
Romans 13:14 —Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Ephesians 5:1–2 —Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children *and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
1 Corinthians 12:27 —Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
Christ call us all to be separate from the world, not a part of it, and that includes everything about us. If a person is a Christian, a true follower of Christ, they are required to leave behind their old life, and to become a new person, set apart by God and for God. That means that those of us who used to dress in sexually suggestive clothing, stopped doing that, and began dressing modestly as befitted a follower of Christ. That means that those of us who got into music that was about drugs, sex, violence etc., stopped listening to it and instead listened to music that was uplifting and had the elements in it that the Lord told us to look for in the things we put into our minds: Phil 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
The same is true of the "Goth" experience. When you become a true follower of Christ, you are no longer "Goth", instead you belong to God, you become a Christian and are called by His Name. Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
So as far as being "Goth" goes, there is no such thing if you are indeed a true disciple of Christ. You must give up your life, pick up your cross, and follow Him. As we’re told in Ephesians, we are to put off our old way of life and put on our new self which is created to be like God. Goth’s who want to be saved, need to do what Jesus told us all to do first: “Count the cost”. (Luke 14) they need to decide if it’s worth it to them to really give up their old ways and live according to God’s Word, just as every person that comes to Christ needs to decide. Sadly, we don’t hear a lot about “counting the cost” in churches today. All we hear is about the free gift of salvation. Well, the gift is free, but our response to it is going to cost us since we have to give up our old ways, and give up being the masters of our own lives and give Jesus the reigns. We no longer run our lives according to our wills, but instead according to God’s Will.
Lastly, we’re told that when we are saved we become part of a “new man”, a part of the body of Christ. We’re also told that our job is to be an ambassador of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:20) to the world. We represent God and His Kingdom to the world. Therefore we’re to dress, speak and act like citizens of Heaven, not citizens of this world. So you shouldn’t try to dress, speak or act like me, or your pastor, or anyone else you know. Instead, you should study God’s Word and find out what He says we’re to dress, speak and act like. For that’s the only way we have to know for sure how citizens of Heaven are to do things. In the “Pursuit of God” Tozer says:
"Millions call themselves by His name, it is true, and pay some token respect to Him, but a simple test will show how little He is really honored among them. Let the average man be put to the proof on the question of who or what is above, and his true position will be exposed. Let him be forced into making a choice between God and money, God and men, between God and personal ambition, God and self, God and human love, and God will take second place every time. Those other things will be exalted above. However the man may protest, the proof is in the choices he makes day after day throughout his life."
To that we can add, “let them choose between Goth or Christ, or Goth and popular music, etc” and God will take second place every time.” Sad, but true. All we have to do is look around and we can see the truth in it. Not many have truly given up their lives for Christ, even though they say they have. I would certainly not want to be one of the ones who hear Jesus say, "I don’t know you” as He does in Matthew 25:12. So the question, "Can a Goth be a Christian" can be answered, "Absolutely, if they are willing to give up their lives for Christ, just like everyone else He calls."
To help you get started, the following verses are a few that tell us how we’re to live when we’ve been saved.
Ephesians 4:22–24 —You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; *to be made new in the attitude of your minds; *and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
Romans 12:2 —Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Leviticus 20:26 `And you shall be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy, and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be Mine.
Psalm 4:3 Know that the Lord has set apart the godly for himself; the Lord will hear when I call to him.
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
1 Peter 3:15-16 But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
John 15:19 "If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
Romans 13:14 —Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Ephesians 5:1–2 —Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children *and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
1 Corinthians 12:27 —Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
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