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Post by Cindy on Mar 20, 2019 11:17:26 GMT -5
by JeffMaples
There was something peculiar about the old hymns that churches would embrace and sing together on Sunday mornings. For the most part, they were rich in doctrine — they actually communicated something to the congregation. They were exegetical, they told us who God is and about what He has done. It was in response to this rich theology and the knowledge of God that the congregation responded in praise and worship.
It was reverent and orderly — it was not a chaotic mess. That is, until, the charismatic movement began to grow. The charismatic movement has influenced the worship in the vast majority of churches in the world today. Charismatic worship focuses much less on biblical doctrine and much more on garnering an emotional response from the worshiper.
More: reformationcharlotte.org/2019/02/21/embracing-a-new-age-charismatic-worship-on-sunday-mornings/?fbclid=IwAR3gkfXKwdjKYZzNYNXRB0ijaOWBxeKYd8Bu59xUaoHwHgPC__Mq5XbPkE4
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fearnot
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Post by fearnot on Jun 1, 2021 12:06:29 GMT -5
we have some of that in our church...no strobe lights...... but drum, guitars,etc.
2 or 3 singers,
hands in the air of some etc.
Tho the young worship leader usually puts in one or two traditional hymns along with modern ones.
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Post by Cindy on Jun 8, 2021 10:56:20 GMT -5
we have some of that in our church...no strobe lights...... but drum, guitars,etc.
2 or 3 singers,
hands in the air of some etc.
Tho the young worship leader usually puts in one or two traditional hymns along with modern ones.
“Lift up your hands in the sanctuary and praise the LORD.” (Psalm 134:2)
“I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.” (1 Timothy 2:8)
“May my prayer be set before you like incense; may the lifting up of my hands be like the evening sacrifice.” (Psalm 141:2)
In fact, even angels lift their hands when quoting the Lord: (Daniel 12:7) lol. Actually the Bible shows us that there is no one correct position to pray in. It shows people kneeling, standing, laying down, laying down with their face to the ground, sitting, lifting their hands toward heaven, clasping their hands together, not doing anything special with their hands, but continuing to do what they were doing before they started to pray, bowing their heads, looking up toward heaven, looking at what they're doing as they pray, etc. In other words just about any position you can get yourself into is fine with the Lord, as long as what we're doing and saying shows that we respect and honor Him. (so praying by yelling out, "hey dude, will you do such and such for me?" and laughing, wouldn't be acceptable. )
I'm sure you're already aware of this, but I know many aren't. I didn't used to know this and was greatly relieved when I realized it. When you think about it though it makes sense. God tells us in both the old and new testament to pray constantly. If the only way we could pray is if we knelt down and clasped our hands together, we'd have a real hard time getting anything done at all during the day! Plus, how would we know if it was right to clasp our hands together with fingers entwined, or put our hands together so they're touching with the fingers straight? LOL
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fearnot
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Post by fearnot on Jun 8, 2021 11:45:43 GMT -5
True :)
Thank you as always! :)
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Post by oliverwithatwist on Jun 11, 2021 10:18:07 GMT -5
I usually sit in a chair with eyes closed and head bowed.
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Post by Cindy on Jun 11, 2021 10:43:29 GMT -5
I usually sit in a chair with eyes closed and head bowed. |
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Post by fearnot on Jul 8, 2024 12:30:37 GMT -5
Some ( not all), praise and worship music,
could almost be a pop singer,
singing about her 'boyfriend'....
no name of Jesus, the Lord, God etc.
But words like:
I love you
you are so wonderful
you make me feel....
etc.
( but who is this we are singing about?)
Also, some ( but not all),
praise and worship,
repeat the refrain...
not once,
or twice,
or three times,
but..
8, 9, 10 times,
and even more sometimes....
over and over and over...
almost like
a 'mantra'.
it also, is sometimes seemingly geared to unbelievers,
who might be in the church....
The idea is ( I think),
that they might change their minds about church being
'old' boring, stuffy, stodgy, archaic, etc.
But if it is very close to,
modern rock and even rap...
well then,
they would get a different opinion of 'church'
stay
and THEN
after a while,
the 'hope' is
they will begin to be taught by the Bible/scriptures,
and the preaching,
about the gospel, Jesus, God etc.
So there becomes an 'entertainment' flavor
more than
a biblical message and worship of God
in the praise and worship music.
In some cases it is 'more' spiritual...
meaning, not so much Biblical....
So they unbeliever can relate....
Because ( I think)some in the church are of the opinion that:
the Bible is considered by the
non-believer
to be:
against women, racist, ancient fairy tales, hate-filled, homophobic,
etc. etc.
So if we 'lure' them in...
with a softer approach
( not so much the truth)...
we can slowly on...
in dribs and drabs....
give them the truth.
So we lure them in with games, skate parks, picnics, 'concerts'
etc.
and the minute they walk into church...
they hear 'awesome' music...almost like worldly
so much so you want to do a sexy dance etc.
Even IF..
we can lure them to stay by this tactic...
the unbeliever generally ends up getting only dribs and drabs
and a very watered down gospel ( at best)
But the point is
the point is all about making the unbeliever feel
at home...
It is almost like the world
so they can feel comfortable!!
What gets kind of 'lost'
is church being a place
to worship GOD
of making God FIRST
then
our neighbor.
So here is an example of some Hillsong lyrics:
and yes as Christians we know who (You) is
but do the unbelievers in church??
Lyrics:
"I've tried so hard to see it
Took me so long to believe it
That You'd choose someone like me
To carry Your victory"
If they sing the whole song,
they do 'finally' mention Jesus name
but there are a LOT of lyrics
and even with the name of Jesus..
there might be more questions than answers
like in this verse
( the 'I" have authority part)
"When I lift up my voice and shout
(come on)
Every wall comes crashing down
I have the authority (Jesus has)
Jesus has given me
When I open up my mouth
Miracles start breaking out
(it starts to break out).."
So yes Jesus is mentioned
but who is really the focus here?
Is it 'man centered'
when I do this or that...'
oh yeah, well,
Jesus gave 'ME" the authority...
So who is the main character
we are singing about?
It seems to me at best
to be kind of a 'shared'
miracle.... makers song?
But still, I hear more of what
'I" do in this song
than Jesus.
Or
here is a kind of boyfriend worship song
( I think that it is...
because what are unbelievers hearing?
The name of Jesus is never mentioned
nor God the Father)
LYRICS
"Your love has ravished my heart
And taken me over, taken me over
And all I want is to be
With You forever, with You forever
So pull me a little closer
Take me a little deeper
I want to know Your heart
I want to know Your heart
'Cause Your love is so much sweeter
Than anything I've tasted
I want to know Your heart
I want to know Your heart
So pull me a little closer to You
Oh, oh how great Your love is for me
Oh, oh how great is Your love
Oh, oh how great Your love is for me
Oh, oh how great is Your love
Oh, oh how great Your love is for me
Oh, oh how great is Your love
Oh, oh how great Your love is for me
Oh, oh how great is Your love
Oh, oh how great Your love is for me
Oh, oh how great is Your love
Oh, oh how great Your love is for me
Oh, oh how great is Your love
How great is Your love"
etc.
But who is this, we are singing about
who would unbelievers think it was about
especially if they never set foot in a church before,
nor never read a word of the Bible???
A believer might know it is Jesus
but where is His name???
It never came up!
And notice the repetition of the refrain!
And on it goes
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