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Post by Cindy on Aug 23, 2017 10:50:47 GMT -5
Thanks to Facebook, I've seen many Christians use the word "karma". They don't seem to understand how God hates a term like that being used by them. Karma does not mean that we'll get whatever we give out. I've seen people say that their children are experiencing karma, or will experience it if they do something bad. It's often used when someone is or is about to do something the person thinks is bad and is said as a warning. "Don't do that or it will come back to haunt you". They don't carry the thought through though. If that something bad is due to "karma", that means that every bad thing that has ever happened to them was also caused by "karma"! I know they'd instantly say that they don't believe that though. God doesn't give us bad for bad. He gives us Grace for our sins and covers them with His love when we're saved. And even those who aren't saved receive grace from God, because He gives them time to repent and turn to Him and be saved. When Paul says we reap what we sow, He is not saying that whatever you do will come back to haunt you, or will come back to please you if you do good. We need to look at that verse in context to see what he's really saying there. “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.” (Galatians 6:7–8) Here he is saying that if we disregard God's commands, that we will reap His wrath, but that if we obey Him by accepting His offer of salvation, we will reap eternal life. Therefore, everything we do will either be causing us to store up wrath for ourselves or store up treasure in haven for ourselves. Karma actually involves the belief in reincarnation and says that what you do in this life will affect your next life either for good or bad, therefore literally everything that happens to you is your own fault. That's not at all what God says though. Others who hear you use the term assume that you either believe in reincarnation, or that God says all that stuff including reincarnation, is OK and right. Neither could be further from the truth! Remember the warning: “Abstain from all appearance of evil.” (1 Thessalonians 5:22) Here are some articles that will explain it better than I can.
What does the Bible say about karma?
Karma is a theological concept found in the Buddhist and Hindu religions. It is the idea that how you live your life will determine the quality of life you will have after reincarnation. If you are unselfish, kind, and holy during this lifetime, you will be rewarded by being reincarnated (reborn into a new earthly body) into a pleasant life. However, if you live a life of selfishness and evil, you will be reincarnated into a less-than-pleasant lifestyle. In other words, you reap in the next life what you sow in this one. Karma is based on the theological belief in reincarnation. The Bible rejects the idea of reincarnation; therefore, it does not support the idea of karma.
Hebrews 9:27 states, “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment…” This Bible verse makes clear two important points which, for Christians, negate the possibility of reincarnation and karma. First, it states that we are “destined to die once,” meaning that humans are only born once and only die once. There is no endless cycle of life and death and rebirth, an idea inherent in the reincarnation theory. Second, it states that after death we face judgment, meaning that there is no second chance, like there is in reincarnation and karma, to live a better life. You get one shot at life and living it according to God’s plan, and that is it.
The Bible talks a lot about reaping and sowing. Job 4:8 says, “As I have observed, those who plow evil and those who sow trouble reap it.” Psalm 126:5 says, “Those who sow in tears will reap with songs of joy.” Luke 12:24 says, “Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds!” In each of these instances, as well as all the other references to reaping and sowing, the act of receiving the rewards of your actions takes place in this life, not in some future life. It is a present-day activity, and the references make it clear that the fruit you reap will be commensurate with the actions you have performed. In addition, the sowing you perform in this life will affect your reward or punishment in the afterlife.
This afterlife is not a rebirth or a reincarnation into another body here on earth. It is either eternal suffering in hell (Matthew 25:46) or eternal life in heaven with Jesus, who died so that we might live eternally with Him. This should be the focus of our life on earth. The apostle Paul wrote in Galatians 6:8-9, “The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.”
Finally, we must always remember that it was Jesus whose death on the cross resulted in the reaping of eternal life for us, and that it is faith in Jesus that gives us this eternal life. Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.” Therefore, we see that the concept of reincarnation and karma is incompatible with what the Bible teaches about life, death, and the sowing and reaping of eternal life.
Posted with Permissionwww.gotquestions.org/karma.html
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Post by Cindy on Aug 23, 2017 11:03:11 GMT -5
GOT KARMA? MISSES AND MISUSES
By Marcia Montenegro,
The Hindu word "karma" is used more and more often with a Western twist in meaning. Often people say it to mean "luck" (good or bad) or even as a gleeful expression of revenge. I have seen this word on bumper stickers and heard it said lightly, as a joke. I myself once sincerely held a belief in karma when I was following Eastern and New Age beliefs and often thought of how someone who had wronged me would eventually suffer karma for what they had done to me.
By no means, however, is the term or concept of karma a joke. Others -- including some Christians -- try to justify the term karma with the idea of consequences as seen in Galatians 6:
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. Galatians 6:7, 8
So how to view "karma?" First, what is karma?
Karma and Reincarnation
Karma in Hinduism means "action" and the law of karma refers to the consequences of action. However, although there is a karma relating to consequences from actions in the present life, the usual meaning has to do with the consequences of previous lives (reincarnation), and actions in this life that sow the seeds for consequences in future lives (if interested, see explanations on Christian site, Karma2Grace, at bit.ly/1Pcq4yj, and on Hindu site at bit.ly/1UrHaMp).
Reincarnation is
Quote==Generally speaking, the belief that one lives many lives, returning after death to life in another body, time, and place. This belief is an essential part of Hinduism. One accumulates karma, which are the actions of a person in life, which will influence the person's subsequent lives.....In Hinduism, one can return as an animal or insect (called 'transmigration'), but in Western views of reincarnation, one returns as a person.==From CANA document at bit.ly/1XiASRD
Reincarnation, a doctrine of Eastern belief systems, is however opposed to this:
"For it is appointed unto man to die once, and then the judgment." Hebrews 9:27
Penance, Forgiveness, and Karma
The consequences in karma are mechanical and ongoing; there is no forgiveness or way to avoid such consequences except, according to some teachings, through the actions of a guru who claims to do it for you in this life or possibly by performing a ritual. Even then, while a temporary erasure has been done, karma continues and will continue in future lives.
Here is advice from a Hindu site on Prayaschitta, which is penance:
Quote==The doctrine of karma is complex, with many subtle distinctions and categories. But for the purpose of understanding penance, we may consider karma as two-fold: the meritorious or good, called punya or sukarma in Sanskrit; and the undesirable or bad, termed papa or kukarma....[....]....In the broadest sense, the entire system of reincarnation is an elaborate form of penance, for we are born with the body, family, circumstances and even longevity and propensity toward disease brought about by our past actions. Prayaschitta is, however, an act of limited aim, intended only to mitigate or avoid altogether the karmaphala, "fruit of action," of some action we have taken in this lifetime. Actions from our past lives are not considered within reach of ordinary prayaschitta. The karmas of past lives can only be assuaged or erased altogether by intense tapas or austerities under the guidance of a guru, or by the extraordinary grace of God. Manu Dharma Shastras 11.54 states, "Penances, therefore, must always be performed for the sake of purification, because those whose sins have not been expiated are born again with disgraceful marks."==From bit.ly/1Rd42Sr
Also, one must ask, what values or standards is karma based on?
Answer: The values found in Hindu teachings, which are diverse and complex. Hinduism is not one monolithic religion but rather a set of wide and multifarious beliefs depending on which particular texts, gurus, sects, schools of thought, and even the region of India they stem from.
The need for a sinless sacrifice of another to pay the penalty for sin is absent in Hinduism; if there is a penalty it is paid by each person through karma. The only release is moksha -- liberation from the cycle of death and rebirth -- dependent on one's actions and spiritual progress through many lives.
Sowing and Reaping in Galatians
What is the meaning and point of the Galatians verses about reaping what one sows?
The Expositors Greek New Testament comments on verse 8:
Quote== Every action produces an effect on the character of the actor corresponding as exactly to its motive as the fruit to the seed. If it springs from selfish desire, it stimulates the growth of evil lusts, and issues in a harvest of inward corruption. If, on the contrary, it be done in obedience to the spirit, it quickens spiritual growth, and issues eventually in a harvest of eternal life. The heart of man resembles a field in which he sows, by the mere exercise of his will, a future harvest of good or evil.==See this and other commentaries at bit.ly/1OI4qrz
This passage in Galatians is written to Christians and is part of an exhortation as we see in the next 2 verses:
Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith. Verses 9 and 10
This has nothing to do with the popular notion of "what goes around comes around," but rather that our deeds are either undertaken to gratify the flesh, that is, the fallen nature, and will end destructively, or they are done according to the power of the Holy Spirit and for God's glory, leading to results that have eternal value in accordance with eternal life.
From the Pulpit commentary on this passage:
Quote== That is, he that expends thought, time, effort, money, upon the furthering, in himself and in others, of the fruits of the Spirit, shall receive, from that Holy Spirit to whose guidance dwelling within him he resigns himself, that quickening of his whole being, body, soul, and spirit, for an everlasting existence in glory, which it is the proper work of that Divine Agent to effect.==From bit.ly/1OI4qrz
The contrast is between sowing to the flesh (fallen nature) and sowing to the Spirit, the flesh vs. the Holy Spirit being a common theme in Paul's letters. "Flesh" here does not mean the body, as though the body is bad, nor is it about one's spirit being good, since it's about the Holy Spirit. Nor is it denouncing pleasure. Rather, this is about living by/pleasing the fallen nature, i.e., the sinful nature, vs. living by the Holy Spirit. The results will be different depending on which way one chooses.
Other Misuses
The verses below are often used by those who believe in reincarnation to claim that the Bible teaches it. I heard many of these in the New Age, but some Christians also ask about these as well.
1) Matthew 11:14 and Matthew 17:12-13, concerning the identity of John the Baptist
2) John 9:2, "Who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
3) John 3:3, "No one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again"
4) James 3:6, "the wheel of nature"
5) Galatians 6:7, "A man reaps what he sows"
6) Matthew 26:52, "all who draw the sword will die by the sword"
7) Revelation 13:10, "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed." ==From article at www.comparativereligion.com/reincarnation3.html#reincarnation3
The article with the above excerpt continues to give detailed refutations to these verses to show how they do not support a belief in reincarnation.
Reincarnation is alluring in the West because it focuses on self; and many people enjoy the idea of past lives. But reincarnation has a cruel side: it means that what happens to someone is what they deserve from a past life (karma), so everything is their fault. Think about what this means for victims of rape, child abuse or murder. Those who believe in reincarnation often will immediately wonder, "What did that person do (in a previous life) to have that happen?"
Also, there is no consistent answer for these questions:
How many times must you reincarnate?
Where do you go between lives and what happens there?
Who decides when and as whom you reincarnate?
What happens when reincarnation is over? Where do you end up? (Hinduism and Buddhism have different answers to this; and in New Age spirituality, there are many divergent views).
It is important to keep in mind that belief in reincarnation is a spiritual deception, not an intellectual one.
Should Christians Use the Word Karma?
While it is certainly true that there are consequences for one's actions and often one does "sow what one reaps" in this life, equating karma with the concepts found in Galatians of sowing and reaping, or elsewhere in Scripture, is invalid.
Moreover, using the word karma may give others the idea that the Christian agrees with the Hindu concept of karma or somehow endorses it. There is no good reason for Christians to use this word except as a platform to contrast it with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
For Those Who Believe in Reincarnation: Karma and Christ
The differences between karma and Christ are deeper than any ocean or as distant as galaxies we don't even know exist. In Hinduism, the way out of karma and reincarnation must be through one's deeds -- the various Yogas -- and realization of one's true nature (which is allegedly divine) among other possible paths and teachings, all very complex. This realization only comes after many lifetimes and is dependent on one's own actions to reach moksha, liberation from the cycle of death and rebirth, both in Hinduism and in Buddhism.
In contrast, God tells man that due to man's separation from God due to sin and man's inability to bridge that gap by his own deeds, Jesus came once for all to offer Himself on the cross to pay the penalty for sins. Through faith in Jesus, knowing that His payment makes the way to God possible, one has forgiveness of all sins and inherits eternal life.
God sent Jesus who willingly laid down His life on the cross to take the penalty for sins so that all who believe in Him have eternal life. Jesus died "once for all." It was an act with the finality that brings eternal results. Even if one were to hypothetically have thousands of reincarnated lives, he or she could never be good enough or do enough good things to earn salvation.
The Superior Priest, Jesus:
For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever. Hebrews 7:26-28
Once For All :
But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. Hebrews 9:11, 12
Does karma offer anyone "no condemnation?" No, it does not. Only Christ can do that through faith in His work on the cross:
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1-4
[Disclaimer: The beliefs about karma and reincarnation are complex, and differ in many ways in the New Age from Hinduism. I realize what is written above are simplified explanations and I do not claim to be giving an all-encompassing summary.]
Posted with Permission:www.christiananswersforthenewage.org/Articles_Karma.aspx
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Post by fearnot on Aug 23, 2017 11:21:08 GMT -5
As always thanks for your post.
I am thinking there might come a time, when someone ( non believer) uses the word karma, and was open to a discussion,
so these points are good for a possible discussion. ( being prepared ahead of time).
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Post by Cindy on Aug 23, 2017 11:27:08 GMT -5
Thanks! You posted while I was editing the opening post and adding my thoughts to it lol
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