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Post by fearnot on Feb 8, 2017 14:30:01 GMT -5
Oh silly no need to apologize :-) You are right in God's timing, I am not anxious at all...I can wait as long as need be....but thank you anyway :-a
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Post by fearnot on Feb 8, 2017 15:25:12 GMT -5
2/8/17 Acts 19:1-22
Paul in Ephesus
Some impressive looking ruins....in one way, it must have been grand. I read, at the time of Paul it was at the water's edge but the silt coming down over the centuries makes it 5 miles now from the ocean.
However, it is still 'ruins'.
Anyway, can you add a little light to v. 6...if you have time and feel well enough.
I am wanting to use v. 9 as an application since after talking to the people for awhile some became:
v.9 "......obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them."
I am thinking that if and/or when I ever talk to non believer's again.....
If that ask sincere questions ( if I know the answer) that is fine, but when they just want to mock and malign....I do not need to continue 'being friends'......maybe later if they come back and asked real question again fine....but it is not my job to continue to listen to someone malign the Lord.
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Post by Cindy on Feb 9, 2017 12:32:40 GMT -5
Oh silly no need to apologize :-) You are right in God's timing, I am not anxious at all...I can wait as long as need be....but thank you anyway :-a Thanks Barbara. I sent you an email about Faithlife TV that I thought you might like. I got it for free for my church and wanted to share it with you as well. 2/8/17 Acts 19:1-22
Paul in Ephesus
Some impressive looking ruins....in one way, it must have been grand. I read, at the time of Paul it was at the water's edge but the silt coming down over the centuries makes it 5 miles now from the ocean.
However, it is still 'ruins'.
Anyway, can you add a little light to v. 6...if you have time and feel well enough.
I am wanting to use v. 9 as an application since after talking to the people for awhile some became:
v.9 "......obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them."
I am thinking that if and/or when I ever talk to non believer's again.....
If that ask sincere questions ( if I know the answer) that is fine, but when they just want to mock and malign....I do not need to continue 'being friends'......maybe later if they come back and asked real question again fine....but it is not my job to continue to listen to someone malign the Lord. In order to discuss v 6, we need to see the verses before it: “So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied. Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.” (Acts 19:3–6) The Ephesians had been baptized the way John baptized the people before Jesus came on the scene. They were baptized to show that they had repented and would believe in the One who came after John, but they didn't know that anyone had come after Him yet. They were believing kind of like the OT Saints did - believing that God would someday send someone to save them. In fact, these people sound like they may have been taught by someone who Apollos had preached to before he was told about Jesus. (Acts 18:24–26) At that time, Apollos preached the OT well, but his message ended with John the Baptist, and what he taught. He too didn't know that Jesus had come already until Aquila and Priscilla explained it to him. Apollos knew about all the promises, but didn't know they'd been fulfilled. That's how it was with these folks too, except for one thing - Apollos knew about the Holy Spirit and he was already indwelt before Aquila and Priscilla met him.
When Paul met them, he could tell something was missing. It wasn't anything mystical about his knowing something was missing. It's no different than if we met someone who obviously knew about God, but wasn't living their life any differently than before they learned about God. That told Paul they didn't have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, which they would have had if they had been born again and baptized. The baptism itself didn't give them the Holy Spirit, it's the process of being born again - saved - that does that. These men were trying to live the way God wants us to, in their own power and strength, and we all know that's totally impossible. Where it says that they hadn't heard there was a Holy Spirit, it doesn't mean they'd literally never heard of Him, because even John preached about the Holy Spirit. What they hadn't heard of was of His being given and His Coming at Pentecost, since they didn't even know that Jesus had already come.
So first Paul realized something was missing, suspecting they weren't yet born again, he asked them about their baptism. He probably suspected that something like this had happened - perhaps he'd experienced something similar before. Their answer confirmed his suspicion, so he explained to them first what John had said, ending with the Name of Jesus. “Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.”” (Acts 19:4) I'm sure that's not all Paul said to them though. By ending with the Name of Jesus, which they were unfamiliar with, it lets us know that Paul explained to them that Jesus had already come and paid for their sins. So I'm sure, knowing how thorough Paul was in his teaching, that he explained all about the Lord, His death, and His resurrection to them at that point. He explained that John's baptism looked forward to the coming of the Messiah, while Christian baptism looks back at the finished work of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection. The Old Covenant was ended, not by John, but by Jesus at Calvary. (Heb. 10:1–18) While John's baptism was important to the Jew's at the time John was doing it, once Jesus was resurrected it was no longer valid. That's why Paul baptized them again. The water had no effect on them, it was what was different in their hearts after hearing about Jesus that caused them to be born again and receive the Holy Spirit.
As one commentary points out, this is the only place in the NT that refers to anyone being rebaptized. Quite clearly, John’s ministry was anticipatory; Christ is the fulfillment of all things.
“When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.” (Acts 19:6) The Lord used Paul to give the gift of the Spirit as that confirmed Paul's apostolic authority and united the Ephesians to the mother church and all the other churches as well. Just like when Peter and John laid hands on the believing Samaritans, it united them to the Jerusalem church and confirmed their authority, and healed the breach between them and the Jews. In the beginning of the Church, each group that was added to the Church (Jew's, Samaritans, Gentiles) also spoke in tongues and prophesied when the Holy Spirit indwelt them, just like the Apostles did at Pentecost. This was a sign to them that they were saved and that they were united together in ONE church, one body, not a bunch of different sects. God was emphasizing the unity of the Church. Oh, and the "tongues" they spoke in were normal human languages that others who spoke that language could and would understand. They weren't the gibberish we hear today. Of course this also gave them proof that they were now indwelt by the Holy Spirit showing them that what they'd just been taught - that the Holy Spirit had come - was real and not something imaginary.
I hope in all of that that I somehow managed to cover whatever your question was.... if not, just let me know and I'll give it another try lol
Your application is great and very true! That's what Jesus tells us too. We're not to waste valuable time when someone just wants to argue. That's giving dogs what is sacred and throwing our pearls to swine. (Matthew 7:6)
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Post by fearnot on Feb 9, 2017 15:57:36 GMT -5
That was perfect Cindy. I wish that could be posted somewhere else so that others confused about 'tongues' might see it.
Today's Pentecostal movement, at least some of them( I think that is the group), do gibberish and call it speaking in tongues. I was saw a 'title' ( I did not watch) a you tube video of what was going to be dueling Pentecostal pastors speaking/dueling in tongues.... all I could think of was what a circus!!! It seemed bad enough to me that the Jews turned the synagogue into a den of iniquity...but I could only think that might have even topped them!
Some folks today......think they are speaking in tongues of 'real' words, and will even say:
" I wonder what language I just spoke... and I wonder what I said?
Do you think the people who spoke tongues in those limited situations wondered the same thing?
I am thinking the tongue message back then was about the good news of our Savior, and not about the price of eggs in China or anything else?
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Post by fearnot on Feb 9, 2017 16:14:10 GMT -5
2/9/17 Acts 19: 23-41
The Riot in Ephesus
I couldn't help but think when I read the account of this riot in Ephesus, of all the hubbub going on seemingly non stop today.... and I thought...we need that clerk here now LOL
It's so amazing, how people use 'religion' for big profits, and also how many people fall for a lie rather than the truth and how easily people can be stirred to violence
I am not exactly sure of my application, unless its to take care not to let my 'feelings' ever push me towards a more violent way of thinking or behaving.
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Post by Cindy on Feb 10, 2017 11:42:41 GMT -5
That was perfect Cindy. I wish that could be posted somewhere else so that others confused about 'tongues' might see it.
Today's Pentecostal movement, at least some of them( I think that is the group), do gibberish and call it speaking in tongues. I was saw a 'title' ( I did not watch) a you tube video of what was going to be dueling Pentecostal pastors speaking/dueling in tongues.... all I could think of was what a circus!!! It seemed bad enough to me that the Jews turned the synagogue into a den of iniquity...but I could only think that might have even topped them!
Some folks today......think they are speaking in tongues of 'real' words, and will even say:
" I wonder what language I just spoke... and I wonder what I said?
Do you think the people who spoke tongues in those limited situations wondered the same thing?
I am thinking the tongue message back then was about the good news of our Savior, and not about the price of eggs in China or anything else? No, I don't think anyone wondered what language they spoke in because what they said was always interpreted, which is the way it's supposed to happen according to God's Word. Nor did they "interpret" gibberish and say it said something. They interpreted German and the people knew it was German because the Germans there understood it. (or whatever language it was) Absolutely tongues was always about the good news - it was preaching the gospel which is what it was for. 2/9/17 Acts 19: 23-41
The Riot in Ephesus
I couldn't help but think when I read the account of this riot in Ephesus, of all the hubbub going on seemingly non stop today.... and I thought...we need that clerk here now LOL
It's so amazing, how people use 'religion' for big profits, and also how many people fall for a lie rather than the truth and how easily people can be stirred to violence
I am not exactly sure of my application, unless its to take care not to let my 'feelings' ever push me towards a more violent way of thinking or behaving.
This show how it's much easier to believe a lie, go with your "feelings", and follow the crowd, which is the way of the world after all. Many of the people rioting didn't even know why they were there. They just joined in and began shouting like the others, going with their "feelings". Whenever there's a mob, there are feelings of anger and hate that are so strong it almost seems visible. Yet Paul and all who were born again did not exude that same hate or anger as all the other people did. They were calm and showed love and concern for the people.
Speaking of applications, you haven't said for awhile how you've actually applied anything in your life. Having an application from what you read is good, but it doesn't do a thing for us if we don't actually apply it somehow at some time. And we can't do that at all if we don't reflect on it, think about it and figure out ways we can apply it in our daily life. So let's talk about that a whole lot more from now on.
I have been studying up on what to do in the new thread we're going to start (next week now). I just didn't want you to think that I've been ignoring it. I just want to be sure I've seen what the Lord wants me to see and that I'm ready.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 10, 2017 12:26:21 GMT -5
Well, for example, I actually have a harder time than I used to think about myself, concerning anger. True I am not as violent and angry as some but only because God has blessed me with some of His mercy.....
But that being said, I am still not doing great in two applications.....just what we just discussed how mobs almost always or always have 'feelings' of anger and even hate.
So when I see a mob being violent on some news, it strangely affects me to at first feeling very angry at them for such hurtfulness.
I can see how quickly anger ignites.
Where I often fail, is it takes me way to long to go from feeling angry at their anger to praying for them ( if at all....). I usually do pray for the people they beat up, but they may need prayers even more.
And tho I am getting better at not watching every news item that catches my eyes, I still look at more than I should.
But just as an aside,some better 'news' (LOL).... I 'think' last night, I may have slept 6 hours straight thru!!! Something I haven't done for decades!
When I woke up this morning tho there was some slight depression, it was not as much.
I think one of the reasons I don't write how I apply my applications as much as I might, is because, after I do my Bible study...I either search the net or read whatever Christian fiction novel I am reading at the time. Then I may eat a lunch/snack take a nap or go with Leonard to pick up Hossanah at work, and then nap, look at computer or read novel, maybe do some brief housework ( dishes or the wash or feed the birds, take a nap) then its dinner, look at computer, read go to bed.
But reading and computer don't make much allowance for mediating on the Word...unless I see something that brings a verse, principle, or application to mind...I often think of how Bible prophecy is starting to come true in bigger and bigger ways.
I am beginning to think I need to actual schedule a time for reflection
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Post by fearnot on Feb 10, 2017 20:06:54 GMT -5
2/10/17 Acts 20: 1-12 Through Macedonia and Greece and Eutychus Raised From the Dead at Troas
v. 2 "...speaking many words of encouragement to the people..."
I found this as my application and hope the words I spoke to Leonard and Hossanah ( at least some of them) were encouraging, tho not all dealing with the gospel.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 11, 2017 14:15:41 GMT -5
I forgot to mention that often when I am watching something I will 'talk back' to the people.
For example a person who does body language was showing various scientists at Cern.
But what I mean was that as I was listening to her, I was also listening to Cern scientists.....
One was saying how ( of course the usual theory of the big bang which I do not believe) how the universe was billions of years old blah blah But then he said, but what we are trying to find out is the 'beginning' I said: I can help you with that! LOL
Then he said especially the first 370 thousand years ( or some such number), he went on to say, there was only light due to the great heat from the big bang.
And I replied ( in my mind) well........you are a 'little' right.... in the beginning God said: "Let there be light" ummmmm however, you are a bit off on the time.....it was NOT 370 thousand years
Then the body language lady was talking about a woman Cern scientist who was saying something like we are trying to find out what holds the universe together ( maybe not an exact quote but close)
And again, in my mind I replied back, I can help you with that, I know what is holding the universe together.....only its not an 'it' or a 'force' or the Higgs boson, or a gluons, or a quark etc. It's Jesus.
So in a small way, I do reflect on scripture even when watching.... But I know my time would be better spent actually in the Word.... However it seems like when I read a chapter or two of scripture I often...... need time....it's like my brain or spirit can only process so much,
then it needs to wait a bit and I watch something silly like Cern scientists babble nonsense.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 11, 2017 21:59:00 GMT -5
2/11/17 Acts 20: 13-24
Paul’s Farewell to the Ephesian Elders
Paul walked from Troas to Assos.... to Mitylene.... to Chios.... to Samos.... to Miletus... kind of Island hopping :-)
I found it interesting that Paul said he taught in Ephesus: v.20 "......taught you publicly and from house to house"
He also says ( in v. 20) "....in every city the Holy Spirit warns me that prison and hardships are facing me."
The Holy Spirit didn't tell him he would be rich, famous, healthy, popular etc.
But v. 24 is an application for me as well as for Paul
"24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace."
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Post by fearnot on Feb 12, 2017 19:23:02 GMT -5
2/12/17 Acts 20: 25-37
Now comes a sad part, Paul is leaving and tells them they will never see him again ( I am sure he meant in this world, but true believers would see him in Heaven) and He also says that "savage wolves will come " v. 30 "Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them."
There are several applications for me:
"...be on your guard" ( I am beginning to do that with what I watch...no netflix's and some slowing in news)
"....help the weak...‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’
Which is something I am planning. We have homeless here of course, and there is a place where some can stay.....
But the have some rules that some folks, may not want to follow like: no drinking or drugs or pills etc.
also there is not enough room for all anyway and some just don't want to go etc.
Anyway, pretty soon I am going to try to walk if only a couple of blocks
but.....
We have benches both looking out at the ocean... ( we live 2 blocks from ocean and 2 blocks from the river)
and benches riverside
Sooooo I am going to bring things I would drop off at thrift stores ( which charge waaaay to much)
I will leave in a bag or bags on benches for anyone to take for free.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 13, 2017 14:20:19 GMT -5
1/13/17 Acts 21:1-16
On to Jerusalem
I don't mean this in disrespect, but as I look at Jerusalem, I wonder why our Lord sort of chooses that city? It is pretty enough, but having looked at photos of many cities, towns etc. It can't be that He choose it because it was the most beautiful?Or is it? And I am just missing what makes it specially special? I know He does not just choose beauty, and therein my lay my problem....but there is no ocean, no forests, no really big mountains, its hot ( I think)but there must be many things about it I am missing that makes it so important to many people. Plus Jesus spent a lot of His life on earth around a big lake. I just don't get big cities really. Also, one thing that makes it worse ( to me) is almost every image I see has that great big golden Muslim dome.....it almost seems like a photo cannot be taken without that in it.
Anyway, Agabus prophesied what would happen to Paul but as an example and application for me is Paul's response:
v. 13 "Then Paul answered, “Why are you weeping and breaking my heart?
I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.”
14 When he would not be dissuaded, we gave up and said,
“The Lord’s will be done.”
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Post by fearnot on Feb 14, 2017 13:52:48 GMT -5
2/14/17
Acts 21: 17-25
Paul’s Arrival at Jerusalem
I was a little confused about exactly what and why the elders wanted Paul to pay for 4 men's purification in order to prove he was living in obedience to the law?
The application for me is to with God's help live as much as possible in obedience to scripture ( not to be saved or stay saved) but to please God and thereby even myself....for I surely am waaaay more happier when I am not sinning.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 14, 2017 13:53:10 GMT -5
My grandson had been playing the videogame: Five nights at Freddie's..... a survival mystery horror video game.....
However, yesterday, I was able to bring up that the developer of that game, Scott Cawthon.....
was a Christian, who did a movie based on The Pilgrim's Progress....
So I will show that to Devon next time I babysit which I think is Thurs
I watched the pilgrim's progress on you tube ( in sections)....
but you sent me a link to your church and I think they may have it but whole, not broken into sections? ( It was listed as one of three kid oriented Christian movies I you sent).
I don't know why Scott went to on to make 5 nights at Freddie's ,except I did read an interview where he said all of his Christian games and movies were flops and failures ( and I guess he felt he needed to feed his family? I did not quite understand his reasoning)
Apparently he became big in the video game field, but has put out another video game, drawing a lot of flack.... quote:
"The Desolate Hope has only recently been getting more attention because of the popularity of Five Nights at Freddy’s, but has come under fire for having a pro-life message.
The game itself was not designed with abortion specifically in mind (the word is never mentioned.) However, the game’s story focuses on the protagonist’s quest to save a human fetus that was intended as a scientific specimen.
The game places a very high value on human life, even at it’s smallest, and that draws a lot of anger from some people."
by Geeks Under Grace
Anyway, I figure Devon will really like the "Pilgrims progress" by the same guy who developed the game he sometimes plays.
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Post by Cindy on Feb 14, 2017 14:01:44 GMT -5
Well, for example, I actually have a harder time than I used to think about myself, concerning anger. True I am not as violent and angry as some but only because God has blessed me with some of His mercy.....
But that being said, I am still not doing great in two applications.....just what we just discussed how mobs almost always or always have 'feelings' of anger and even hate.
So when I see a mob being violent on some news, it strangely affects me to at first feeling very angry at them for such hurtfulness.
I can see how quickly anger ignites.
Where I often fail, is it takes me way to long to go from feeling angry at their anger to praying for them ( if at all....). I usually do pray for the people they beat up, but they may need prayers even more.
And tho I am getting better at not watching every news item that catches my eyes, I still look at more than I should.
But just as an aside,some better 'news' (LOL).... I 'think' last night, I may have slept 6 hours straight thru!!! Something I haven't done for decades!
When I woke up this morning tho there was some slight depression, it was not as much.
I think one of the reasons I don't write how I apply my applications as much as I might, is because, after I do my Bible study...I either search the net or read whatever Christian fiction novel I am reading at the time. Then I may eat a lunch/snack take a nap or go with Leonard to pick up Hossanah at work, and then nap, look at computer or read novel, maybe do some brief housework ( dishes or the wash or feed the birds, take a nap) then its dinner, look at computer, read go to bed.
But reading and computer don't make much allowance for mediating on the Word...unless I see something that brings a verse, principle, or application to mind...I often think of how Bible prophecy is starting to come true in bigger and bigger ways.
I am beginning to think I need to actual schedule a time for reflection What do you think about when you're eating, or doing housework, or going for a drive with Leonard, or cooking dinner (if you do)? I don't actually schedule time for reflection exactly, although I guess you could say I do as it's something I do during my study time. In other words, I don't just read and study whatever portion I'm doing that day, I also take time afterward to talk to the Lord about what I just read and studied about. But it's not just talking to Him either. It's more like thinking about what I studied, reflecting on it, and telling the Lord everything that comes to my mind as I do so. Do you know what I mean? After that, I generally finish my time by praying for my family and friends, including you guys. The next thing I do is come here to FH, and post in christian chat and then here. If I have time, I'll make some other posts. About noon I turn my computer off and get going on the chores. I usually clean the litter box and then spend time rolling cigarettes for Bruce. That takes about an hour and I do it sitting down. Instead of turning on the TV, I use that time to continue to talk to the Lord, and or pray for family or friends, or just reflect on what I studied some more, or sometimes all of those things. (because when I'm in a lot of pain, it takes longer for me to do the chore lol) Later, when I'm doing other housework, if I can, like the laundry or dishes or even cooking dinner, I again spend that time talking to the Lord (in my mind if Bruce is home lol) praying and reflecting on what I learned and how I can apply it etc. So basically, I use every opportunity I can, when I don't have to be actively listening to someone or actively using my mind to do something. For example, I can't do that when I'm working on paying the bills because I have to be extra careful that I don't mess up. I generally pray for the Lord to help me before starting or if I'm having a hard time balancing the check book, I'll pray and ask for His help, but other than that, I have to use my mind to think about what I'm doing so I can't use that time to reflect on anything. But if I'm doing the dishes, my mind can be thinking about anything since i don't need to use it to do that chore. See what I mean?
Please know that I'm not setting myself up as the perfect example, because I'm far from perfect! I mess up and I sin just as much as anyone does. I only used my routine as an example because it was all I could think of to show how our lives should be. There are many times when I slip up and watch TV or think about something else instead of keeping my eyes on the Lord, but in general, I have set up a routine with the Lord's help, to make Him real in my life, and have seen the benefits of it.
It's part of making the Lord the master of your whole life, and not just someone you speak to once in a while or read about daily for a short time. Remember in the books Moses wrote when God laid down all His laws about how He wanted them to live? God made sure that they would have to think about Him no matter what they were doing, all day and night long, except when they were asleep. They had to know what foods were clean and what weren't, and how they could cook those they were allowed to eat. They had to know what kind of pots they could use to cook in, and what kind they could store food in, as well as which foods they could store and which they couldn't. They had to know what to do if the woman had her period, or if the man had a discharge, or if they found mildew in their home or clothing, or utensils etc. what to do for various common illnesses, and what to do after they had sex or after a woman had a baby, or when a child was betrothed. God made sure that every part of their lives was connected in some way to Him. Back then, He did so with rules, and if they didn't keep those rules they were punished by their elders. In our time, the age of Grace, He does the same thing but does it with His love, grace and mercy. In other words, He wants to be a part of every aspect of our lives, but instead of giving us rules to follow with an "or else" attached to them, He simply commands us to love Him with all our hearts, minds and strength; He commands us to "remain in Him at all times" etc. When we don't do so, the punishment is simply that we slip back into our old ways, or in some cases, simply never change in some areas. At the very worst case, we grieve the Holy Spirit and harden our hearts against Him. Thankfully, because we are living in the age of Grace, we can always confess and repent and then begin anew at any time.
When we obey Him in this, we will find that the changes happen in us much faster. We generally don't notice it at first especially until we look back and compare how we were before with how we are now. If we do that every six months or every year even, then we'll see that He is changing us from the inside out, and the changes are happening much faster than they did before. A change may have taken 20 years before, now takes 6 months! It's amazing! Among those changes is that we discover our feelings begin to match our faith, and we begin to not just realize that there is a spiritual realm or reality all around us, but we begin to see it. I don't mean we see it with our physical eyes, (although that can happen at times too) but more that we realize it's there, and have a knowing of what's going on in that reality around us and our loved ones. I'm not just speaking of Satan and demons, but of the Lord, and His angels, and what's happening. We begin to realize that there's a great deal more to our life than we were ever aware of before, and that the vast majority of what's most important to our lives is what's happening in the spiritual realm, not the physical realm. Little by little, we begin to realize and recognize that our life is not limited to this physical realm anymore, but also happens in the spiritual realm as well. From that point we begin to really understand why we will never die and all of it becomes something we "know" instead of something we "believe".
But for all of that to happen, for us to live the life God has for us, what Jesus called living it to the full, or an abundant life (depending on the version you read), we must be in His Word daily, studying it with Him, and reflecting on it throughout the day - making God and His Word part of every part of our lives, no matter what we're doing. In other words, we don't take some time to study His Word, and then get on with our day as usual, the way we always have. Instead, the Lord Jesus Christ becomes the Lord and Master of every part of our life. He begins to truly be first in our lives because we no longer put ourselves, our life, or anything or anyone else above Him.
I believe when you take the next step and begin to do this, you will see remarkable changes in your life. In fact, I'm going to start our new thread with a copy of this, because I believe this is the next step for you and that everything we discuss will have something to do with this.
2/10/17 Acts 20: 1-12 Through Macedonia and Greece and Eutychus Raised From the Dead at Troas
v. 2 "...speaking many words of encouragement to the people..."
I found this as my application and hope the words I spoke to Leonard and Hossanah ( at least some of them) were encouraging, tho not all dealing with the gospel. Your words don't have to always be dealing with the gospel - at least not obviously. As long as we are speaking truthfully and in love and with love, that is an example of how God changes us with His Gospel. When we are no longer being self centered, but are being centered on others, then we are showing them what God looks like and how He acts toward us. We're showing them Jesus. So that's a great application! I found an interesting tidbit about Titus mentioned in a commentary on verse 4 where it names the people who went with Paul. These are probably men from various churches sent to accompany Paul’s special monetary gift to the church in Jerusalem (cf. 1 Cor. 16:1–3; 2 Cor. 8–9). The following is taken from my commentary on I Corinthians. This offering is mentioned in several NT books (cf. Rom. 15:26; 2 Cor. 8–9; 1 Cor. 16:1). It was an attempt to seal the relationship between the Hebrew mother church and the Gentile churches. From 2 Cor. 8:6, 2 Cor. 8:16 it seems that Titus may have also been a church representative. It is so strange that Luke never mentions Titus in Acts. The theory has been that Titus was Luke’s brother and that modesty caused him to omit his name. This may also explain the unnamed brother in 2 Cor 8:16, who many think was Luke. Luke the Historian
I'm a little surprised that you left out the miracle which happened. So let me share a bit about that too with you, as there's much to learn from it.
Acts 20:7 is the clearest verse in the NT which indicates that Sunday was the normal meeting day of the apostolic church. Paul stayed in Troas for 7 days (v. 6) and the church met on the first day of the week. Luke’s method of counting days here was not Jewish, which measures from sundown to sundown, but Roman, which counted from midnight to midnight. This can be stated dogmatically because “daylight” (v. 11) was the next day (v. 7). The Bible Knowledge Commentary
The first day came to be called “the Lord’s Day” because on it the Lord Jesus Christ arose from the dead (Rev. 1:10). We should also remember that the church was born on the first day of the week when the Spirit came at Pentecost. During the early years of the church, the believers did maintain some of the Jewish traditions, such as the hours of prayer (Acts 3:1). But as time went on, they moved away from the Mosaic calendar & developed their own pattern of worship as the Spirit taught them.
The church met in the evening because Sunday was not a holiday during which people were free from daily employment. Some of the believers would no doubt be slaves, unable to come to the assembly until their work was done. The believers met in an upper room because they had no church buildings in which to gather. The Word of God was always declared in the Christian assemblies, and this included the public reading of the OT Scriptures (1 Tim. 4:13) as well as whatever apostolic letters had been received (Col. 4:16). It is sad to see how the Word is neglected in church services today.The early church shared a “potluck” meal called the “love feast” after which they would observe the Lord’s Supper (Acts 2:42; 1 Cor. 11:17–34). The “breaking of bread” in Acts 20:7 refers to the Lord’s Supper, whereas in Acts 20:11 it describes a regular meal. By sharing and eating with one another, the church enjoyed fellowship and also gave witness of their oneness in Christ. Slaves would actually eat at the same table with their masters, something unheard of in that day. It is likely that the church observed the Lord’s Supper each Lord’s Day when they met for fellowship and worship. In fact, some believers probably ended many of their regular meals at home by taking the bread and wine and remembering the Lord’s death.
How old was Eutychus? The Greek word neanias in Acts 20:9 means a man from 24 to 40 years of age. The word pais in Acts 20:12 means a young child or youth. Dr. Howard Marshall, an eminent Greek scholar, says he was a “young lad of 8 to 14 years.” Since the word pais can mean “a servant,” Eutychus may have been a young man who was also a servant. He may have worked hard that day and was weary. The Bible exposition commentary
Acts 20:9 Luke says “dead” and not “as dead.” We have every reason to suppose that as a physician Luke hurried down with the others and examined the youth himself and found that life was extinct. The youth was not hastily and mistakenly pronounced dead. The view that “dead” does not mean that his soul had left the body is untenable, for that is exactly what “dead” means. Equally untenable is the idea that, when death sets in, the soul still hovers near the body. This is the old superstition that is back of so many superstitious practices connected with dying and with funerals. The Interpretation of the Acts of the Apostles
Acts 20:10–12 Luke, the physician, affirmed that Eutychus was picked up dead after he had fallen from a third-story window. After the manner of Elijah and Elisha (1 Kings 17:21; 2 Kings 4:34–35), Paul embraced Eutychus and the young man came alive. The Bible Knowledge Commentary
Negative commands in the present imperative often mean to stop an action already begun. So here the people had already begun their loud lament for the dead, and Paul tells them to stop it. Paul ran down and “fell on” the young man. The verb is finite & not a participle. A participle might express action that is simultaneous with εἶπε, so that Paul spoke as he fell on the young man, said that his soul was in him as an explanation as to why he fell on him. But this idea is excluded by the finite verb. This makes fully clear the participle “having embraced” him, for it repeats & amplifies the finite verb “fell on him.” The point of Luke’s verb forms is that after these actions Paul spoke as he did. The young man, taken up dead, has his soul in him, i. e., is alive after Paul fell on him & embraced him. Luke says no more—it is enough. Paul brought the dead man’s soul back as Elijah & Elisha had done. The Interpretation of the Acts of the Apostles The miracle of resurrection depicts the power behind the Church: the resurrection of Jesus (1:2–3; 2:24). Such an overwhelming demonstration of power would encourage the Church to persevere in the face of persecution. Paul’s actions recall the act of Elisha, who threw himself on the Shulammite’s son (2 Kgs 4:34). When Elisha did this, the dead boy returned to life. This may help to make sense of Paul’s statement that no one should be troubled since the boy is still alive. The boy was dead, but because of Paul’s actions, he is raised from the dead. This is also similar to the event involving Jairus’ daughter in Luke 8:49–56. Ultimately, the resurrection shows God has conquered death. Faithlife Study Bible
This section shows me how God can turn something bad into something wonderful, and use it for His Glory and our good.
I forgot to mention that often when I am watching something I will 'talk back' to the people.
For example a person who does body language was showing various scientists at Cern.
But what I mean was that as I was listening to her, I was also listening to Cern scientists.....
One was saying how ( of course the usual theory of the big bang which I do not believe) how the universe was billions of years old blah blah But then he said, but what we are trying to find out is the 'beginning' I said: I can help you with that! LOL
Then he said especially the first 370 thousand years ( or some such number), he went on to say, there was only light due to the great heat from the big bang.
And I replied ( in my mind) well........you are a 'little' right.... in the beginning God said: "Let there be light" ummmmm however, you are a bit off on the time.....it was NOT 370 thousand years
Then the body language lady was talking about a woman Cern scientist who was saying something like we are trying to find out what holds the universe together ( maybe not an exact quote but close)
And again, in my mind I replied back, I can help you with that, I know what is holding the universe together.....only its not an 'it' or a 'force' or the Higgs boson, or a gluons, or a quark etc. It's Jesus.
So in a small way, I do reflect on scripture even when watching.... But I know my time would be better spent actually in the Word.... However it seems like when I read a chapter or two of scripture I often...... need time....it's like my brain or spirit can only process so much,
then it needs to wait a bit and I watch something silly like Cern scientists babble nonsense.
Exactly! That's what I do at times too, only I tend to do it out loud. For me though, if I watch something like that for very long, I tend to get angry and frustrated, so I've learned to just tune it out and read a book or something else when Bruce has something like that on the TV. (But then again, Bruce has also learned that if he keeps on watching something like that, it aggravates me, so he's learned to switch to a different show rather quickly ) But, that's a good way to practice defending the faith - IF we can do so without getting angry or at least without letting the anger control us. The Lord has taught me over the years to turn that anger on to Satan who is the real culprit and is causing those people to be blind to the truth, and to view the people instead with pity. Feeling sorry for them makes it easy for me to pray for them, as it reminds me that I once viewed the world in the same way they do. So God used even those TV shows and my anger and worked it for good, just as He will with you!2/11/17 Acts 20: 13-24
Paul’s Farewell to the Ephesian Elders
Paul walked from Troas to Assos.... to Mitylene.... to Chios.... to Samos.... to Miletus... kind of Island hopping :-)
I found it interesting that Paul said he taught in Ephesus: v.20 "......taught you publicly and from house to house"
He also says ( in v. 20) "....in every city the Holy Spirit warns me that prison and hardships are facing me."
The Holy Spirit didn't tell him he would be rich, famous, healthy, popular etc.
But v. 24 is an application for me as well as for Paul
"24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace."
That's a good application. Generally though, when we read that verse we see it as saying that all that mattered to Paul was testifying to others about the Gospel. It does mean that, but it means more than that. Words are very important, and Paul used words constantly to tell others about the Gospel and used God's Word as much as his own words to do that. But Paul also used his very life itself to tell others about the Gospel. He lived his faith and worked as hard as humanly possible with God's help to be as perfect an example of Christ as he could be to the world. That's why he could tell people to to imitate him, to follow his example. That really blows me away and I strive to be able to say the same thing some day myself. But that day hasn't come yet, much to my shame. I still have to many "except when I...." to be able to say that. It was because of that, that Paul was able to state: “When they arrived, he said to them: “You know how I lived the whole time I was with you, from the first day I came into the province of Asia.” (Acts 20:18) and the rest of what he wrote concerning that in verses: Acts 20:19–21. Finally let me quote from one of my books about these last verses of Paul's, starting with Acts 20:24.
My life—my course—my ministry. It would do us good to repeat those 3 phrases at the beginning of each day, for they help us take inventory of our spiritual experience. Am I holding my life dear to myself, or do I yield my life to Christ? Am I running on the course God has assigned to me? Am I fulfilling the ministry that He has given me? No matter what problems you may be facing just now, turn yourself over to Jesus. Yield Him your life and let Him work out His perfect will in you—in your life, your course, and your ministry. The first phrase is “my life.” Paul said, “Neither count I my life dear unto myself. . . .” He learned this truth from the Lord Jesus Christ. God gave you natural life, but He also gave you spiritual life through faith in Jesus Christ. God made you and God saved you. The life you have, physically and spiritually, is the gift of God. It was the will of God that was uppermost in Paul’s life. His life was not a treasure for him to guard; it was a treasure for him to invest by yielding to Christ. Paul uses a second phrase, “my course.” The important thing is that we obey the rules, keep running for the prize, and stay in the correct lane. If we do, then God will reward us at the end of the course. If we fail to run as we should, we will lose our reward. We need to feed on the Word of God, breathe the pure air of heaven as we pray, and rest in the Lord and trust Him for the strength we need. One of the worst things a runner can do is keep looking back. The last of the three phrases that Paul uses in Acts 20:24 is “my ministry”—“the ministry, which I have received of the Lord.” Each of us has a special ministry from the Lord that no one can do for us. It is our ministry, assigned to us by the Lord, and we are responsible to finish it for His glory. We never should envy somebody else because of his or her ministry, because the work God has given us to do is just as important in the eyes of God. The bumps are what you climb on. “Therefore I urge you to imitate me.” (1 Corinthians 4:16) “Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 11:1) “Join with others in following my example, brothers, and take note of those who live according to the pattern we gave you.” (Philippians 3:17) “Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.” (Philippians 4:9) “You became imitators of us and of the Lord; in spite of severe suffering, you welcomed the message with the joy given by the Holy Spirit.” (1 Thessalonians 1:6) “For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you,” (2 Thessalonians 3:7) “We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.” (Hebrews 6:12) 2/12/17 Acts 20: 25-37
Now comes a sad part, Paul is leaving and tells them they will never see him again ( I am sure he meant in this world, but true believers would see him in Heaven) and He also says that "savage wolves will come " v. 30 "Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them."
There are several applications for me:
"...be on your guard" ( I am beginning to do that with what I watch...no netflix's and some slowing in news)
"....help the weak...‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’
Which is something I am planning. We have homeless here of course, and there is a place where some can stay.....
But the have some rules that some folks, may not want to follow like: no drinking or drugs or pills etc.
also there is not enough room for all anyway and some just don't want to go etc.
Anyway, pretty soon I am going to try to walk if only a couple of blocks
but.....
We have benches both looking out at the ocean... ( we live 2 blocks from ocean and 2 blocks from the river)
and benches riverside
Sooooo I am going to bring things I would drop off at thrift stores ( which charge waaaay to much)
I will leave in a bag or bags on benches for anyone to take for free.
That's a wonderful idea! I'm sure the people who get them will appreciate them greatly. Are you planning to put a note in the bags to explain that they are for people to take and are free? This is exactly what Elijah and Grace did at Sunday School a couple of months ago. They each filled up a bag with things for the homeless and wrote a note explaining that it was offered for free with love and that they would be praying for the person who took the bag. They explained too that they had decided to do this as a way to show others that God loved them and wanted to help them. Finally they also printed the name of their church and the times of the service, inviting them to come and worship with them and learn about the God who knew their name and loved them. The kids loved doing that so much and were thrilled when they finally saw a homeless person they could give their bag too. Their Dad pulled over on the side of the road and stopped the car, while the kids got their bags out. (they kept them in the car so they'd be able to give it to the first homeless person they saw) Then Jenn and Bob got out to watch, and to guard the children, while the kids ran over to the man and gave him their bag. After he accepted it, they both said, God bless you and ran back to their parents, at which point their parents led them in prayer for the man - still standing there on the street. The first man they saw, they gave Elijah's bag to. A week later, they repeated it with another man they saw and gave him Gracie's bag. The kids loved doing it so much that they've made up more bags and have them ready for the next person they see like that! 1/13/17 Acts 21:1-16
On to Jerusalem
I don't mean this in disrespect, but as I look at Jerusalem, I wonder why our Lord sort of chooses that city? It is pretty enough, but having looked at photos of many cities, towns etc. It can't be that He choose it because it was the most beautiful?Or is it? And I am just missing what makes it specially special? I know He does not just choose beauty, and therein my lay my problem....but there is no ocean, no forests, no really big mountains, its hot ( I think)but there must be many things about it I am missing that makes it so important to many people. Plus Jesus spent a lot of His life on earth around a big lake. I just don't get big cities really. Also, one thing that makes it worse ( to me) is almost every image I see has that great big golden Muslim dome.....it almost seems like a photo cannot be taken without that in it.
Anyway, Agabus prophesied what would happen to Paul but as an example and application for me is Paul's response:
v. 13 "Then Paul answered, “Why are you weeping and breaking my heart?
I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.”
14 When he would not be dissuaded, we gave up and said,
“The Lord’s will be done.” Well, for one thing, Jerusalem now, doesn't look the way it did in the time of Christ; and in the time of Christ, it didn't look as it did when the Lord first led them to the "land of milk and honey". And of course, there was no mosque there back then either. The climate and geography has changed a lot since then, mainly due to God's judgements against Israel over the centuries. The only way we can get an idea of what it must have been like is by reflecting on what God called it then, "the land of milk and honey". Another way we can get a small idea of what it will look like in the future, after the Second Coming, is by reflecting on what we're told about how it will look then. We can consider what New Jerusalem will look like and how God is going to make it quite literally the highest point on the earth and the center of the world. As far as actual beauty goes, Jerusalem will one day be the most beautiful place on the planet. “But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy.” (Isaiah 65:18)
This can remind us that God sees things as they really are, not as they appear to be at the moment. It's the way He sees us as well. You again are thinking and saying you're not beautiful, but God sees you as a very beautiful and precious woman. One day, that will be true of your flesh as well, so that you will never, ever again consider yourself anything but beautiful; you'll realize that you are a masterpiece of our God's labor when He lovingly formed you in your mother's womb.
I used to feel the same way about myself. I think just about every female ever born does, and most males as well. To help me, one of the elders at my church gave me a verse to reflect on daily, telling me that this was how the Lord saw me and thought of me. Now I give them to you: “He has taken me to the banquet hall, and his banner over me is love.” (Song of Solomon 2:4) “My lover spoke and said to me, “Arise, my darling, my beautiful one, and come with me.” (Song of Solomon 2:10) “My dove in the clefts of the rock, in the hiding places on the mountainside, show me your face, let me hear your voice; for your voice is sweet, and your face is lovely.” (Song of Solomon 2:14) (my voice being "sweet" really made me do a double take since I can't carry a tune in a basket, lol, but now I know the Lord loves my voice, and loves to hear me sing of His love and praise Him.) “All beautiful you are, my darling; there is no flaw in you.” (Song of Solomon 4:7) “How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much more pleasing is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!” (Song of Solomon 4:10) The Lord truly loves us and delights in us! he sees no flaw in us, and one day that will be as literally true just as it is legally true now.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 15, 2017 15:26:01 GMT -5
Thank you so much for all the time you put in!!! That really helped explain about Jerusalem before and future as opposed to now.
I was sooo glad you wrote the extra about how your grandchildren gave things to the homeless with a note explaining it was:
"....offered for free with love and that they would be praying for the person who took the bag.
They explained too that they had decided to do this as a way to show others that God loved them and wanted to help them."
I only dropped off a hat on a short walk the other day.....so I am sooooo glad you wrote, because now when I drop off more things, I will also include a note!!!
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Post by fearnot on Feb 15, 2017 16:05:42 GMT -5
2/15/17 Acts 21:17-26
Paul’s Arrival at Jerusalem
The application for me is to follow the example and not to do anything that might give the appearance of evil.
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Post by Cindy on Feb 16, 2017 10:53:43 GMT -5
Thank you so much for all the time you put in!!! That really helped explain about Jerusalem before and future as opposed to now.
I was sooo glad you wrote the extra about how your grandchildren gave things to the homeless with a note explaining it was:
"....offered for free with love and that they would be praying for the person who took the bag.
They explained too that they had decided to do this as a way to show others that God loved them and wanted to help them."
I only dropped off a hat on a short walk the other day.....so I am sooooo glad you wrote, because now when I drop off more things, I will also include a note!!!
That's great that you're doing that, and I know the Lord will use it for His glory!2/15/17 Acts 21:17-26
Paul’s Arrival at Jerusalem
The application for me is to follow the example and not to do anything that might give the appearance of evil. I appreciate that you obviously made the effort to do your study time, but it looks like you've been having some kind of problem over the last few days. Are you and Leonard ok? Did he have his colonoscopy? It sounded like he had from what you said in chat, but I wasn't sure. I hope you're not sick. Do you understand why what Paul did in the portion you read was not compromising what he taught?
By the way, i did start the new thread for you several days ago. It's called, "the Joy of the Lord is my strength". Don't feel you have to hurry to read it though. There's already several posts and the last one is quite long, so take your time and don't feel you have to reply to everything I wrote at once ok?
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Post by fearnot on Feb 16, 2017 16:47:47 GMT -5
No colonoscopy yet. Leonard has been going back and forth to hospital/clinic every day....either about foot infection, potassium tooo high, creatin kidney problem etc.
I have been very tired....and have had to babysit more than I have had to in months....my endurance is not used to it LOL
Also went to physical therapy.... the 1st visit is always just talk. I am really confused, because I am 99.9999 percent sure Alex is a Christian.....
He told me he thought I was so brave and showed such Godly boldness when I walked out of the pain class he HAD to teach...
( he said he struggles deeply about that and is not at all happy with the movie's 'guided imagery'.....
I guess his choice is to run it once a year if he wants to keep his job as a PT.....
he said some people love it and find it helpful, but it is so hard for him as a Christian to be involved in any way with that.
And he knows his scriptures, Bible principles, and is a kind compassionate person.....
But
I think he really believes that the brain can crave opiates to the point of making your body more sensitive to pain.....
Well, maybe but maybe not....
I think that is bordering on the idea we can heal ourselves....
thinking by stopping opiates
and.....
get this LOLOL
he hit me with these 2 ideas
1) pain is not all bad:
it keeps us from doing things that could cause us to do more damage to our bodies, and really we should not as God's children, disrespect the gift the Lord gave us.... ( I am probably not quoting him exactly but this is more or less what he said, the general idea at the very least).
2) In fact, God did not promise us a life of ease, and often from pain, we learn many things the Lord wants to teach us, like relying on Him......
Well you get the idea.
Alex did say, that in fact, the opiates are not really his area, its my PCP area and we don't really need to talk about it....
Oh and we won't do, yoga, mindfulness, or guided imagery just plain old physical therapy.
So he was asking me what do I do during the day, and what can I do etc.
He said well you go to church tho right? and I said no...... and that is the set up for one funny thing ..
I had not done any stretching whatsoever before going..... So after those questions he did some physical parameters Can you touch your toes yes hands flat on floor ( with stretching I could have done more)
Then on back....knees to chest....He says: Oh wow that is super easy like nothing for you
I say: yes, I have always been very flexible
Then he says, try lift your leg up straight..
I do and go to about 9 inches to having toes touch behind my head ...same with other leg
He tells me that of all the people he ever seen, even 20 year old ( never mind 70's) cannot do that.
Straight up is considered great and I am ( without and warm up) 40 percent beyond anyone he has ever seen)......I could have gone waaay farther with some stretching ( super flexible is not always a good thing tho, much more severe arthritis in ballerinas, and gymnasts)
I tell him well I had been working a week or so ago on splits.... I went from a foot until a full flat on floor split to about 3 inches before a complete split
He says: Why are you doing that for? Cuz I can? I reply and.... I don't want to lose any more limberness, I have already lost so much!!!
He then says, you can do splits but you can't go to church?????????
I say, its not my legs that hurt... it's sitting for an hour that hurts my back and neck too much LOLOLOL
But anyway, I have been disturbed by the chat Alex and I had about opiates..... from 2 angles
1) Is he working with my PCP to get me to stop
( he was telling me he wonders if its my belief system that insists I won't be able to do anything in life without them ( it is true, I do think that is likely unless God does intervene )
2) and on the other hand, am I not trusting God like Alex sort of insinuated?
Needless to say, I am sort of depressed because I am not sure what thought to take captive, because I am confused...
Alex also said he thought perhaps I didn't really want to be there and perhaps I felt like I was being compelled and almost held captive because I had to fulfill certain requirements etc.
That is also true....tho I do like Alex and I do think he is a Christian.... but that maybe he is compromising, in order to feed his family and perhaps he is not totally trusting the Lord either?
I was up at 7 this morning, and since Devon has been home 2 days sick......I was able to show him Pilgrim Progress by Scott Cowthon.
Like I said before I am not sure why Scott went to make Five Night's at Freddies ( a horror survival video game )...except he may have done the same thing Alex is doing.....not trusting God to feed his family on his own strength?
But I think God has used FNAF ( tha's how the teens etc write it when commenting on Pilgrim's progress.....they talk about coming to see PP from FNAF
Piligrim's Progress is getting close to 2 million views of on youtube and many many many view's are by young folk who would never ever ever had any interest in Jesus..... but came because of 5 nights at Freddies.
And the comments are interesting as they discover the message that Scott gives in his version of P P.
I am thinking the Lord may actually draw some of those game players to himself as a result (even one person converted would be a blessing).
I was a little disheartened with Devon tho....he was totally into Piligrim's Progress and even said to me: you know gram-ma I haven't read the Bible in awhile now.......
But as soon as it was over, off he went to play video games for several hours until Leonard came to take his turn watching Devon.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 16, 2017 17:04:02 GMT -5
Oh you asked if I knew why Paul had not compromised and I am thinking I don't really know for sure??
2/16/17 Acts 21: 27-40
The people because they had seen Paul with Trophimus assumed he had brought Greeks into the temple and a riot started and they tried to beat and kill Paul, until Roman soldiers came and rescued him.....
however, my application would be to even have some of the love of Jesus, the people ( even those trying to kill me if ever that happened) by being like Paul..... instead of telling the Roman soldiers hurry hurry get me out of here.....he asks to speak to the very people trying to kill him
I am sure God can do anything, but Oy Vey He is going to really have to work on me, because I would for sure at this point in my life be wanting the soldiers to hurry me away!
When Alex said he admired my boldness
( and Alex said we know where you got the strength to do that)
to have walked out of a stupid pain class.....
even that little thing was hard for me to do......because I did not want to hurt Alex's feelings,
but yes, I had to put Jesus first and yes the 'strength' came from the Lord,
but imagine to great gap from that to Paul!!!!!!!
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Post by Cindy on Feb 17, 2017 12:01:23 GMT -5
No colonoscopy yet. Leonard has been going back and forth to hospital/clinic every day....either about foot infection, potassium tooo high, creatin kidney problem etc.
I have been very tired....and have had to babysit more than I have had to in months....my endurance is not used to it LOL
Also went to physical therapy.... the 1st visit is always just talk. I am really confused, because I am 99.9999 percent sure Alex is a Christian.....
He told me he thought I was so brave and showed such Godly boldness when I walked out of the pain class he HAD to teach...
( he said he struggles deeply about that and is not at all happy with the movie's 'guided imagery'.....
I guess his choice is to run it once a year if he wants to keep his job as a PT.....
he said some people love it and find it helpful, but it is so hard for him as a Christian to be involved in any way with that.
And he knows his scriptures, Bible principles, and is a kind compassionate person.....
But
I think he really believes that the brain can crave opiates to the point of making your body more sensitive to pain.....
Well, maybe but maybe not....
I think that is bordering on the idea we can heal ourselves....
thinking by stopping opiates
and.....
get this LOLOL
he hit me with these 2 ideas
1) pain is not all bad:
it keeps us from doing things that could cause us to do more damage to our bodies, and really we should not as God's children, disrespect the gift the Lord gave us.... ( I am probably not quoting him exactly but this is more or less what he said, the general idea at the very least).
2) In fact, God did not promise us a life of ease, and often from pain, we learn many things the Lord wants to teach us, like relying on Him......
Well you get the idea.
Alex did say, that in fact, the opiates are not really his area, its my PCP area and we don't really need to talk about it....
Oh and we won't do, yoga, mindfulness, or guided imagery just plain old physical therapy.
So he was asking me what do I do during the day, and what can I do etc.
He said well you go to church tho right? and I said no...... and that is the set up for one funny thing ..
I had not done any stretching whatsoever before going..... So after those questions he did some physical parameters Can you touch your toes yes hands flat on floor ( with stretching I could have done more)
Then on back....knees to chest....He says: Oh wow that is super easy like nothing for you
I say: yes, I have always been very flexible
Then he says, try lift your leg up straight..
I do and go to about 9 inches to having toes touch behind my head ...same with other leg
He tells me that of all the people he ever seen, even 20 year old ( never mind 70's) cannot do that.
Straight up is considered great and I am ( without and warm up) 40 percent beyond anyone he has ever seen)......I could have gone waaay farther with some stretching ( super flexible is not always a good thing tho, much more severe arthritis in ballerinas, and gymnasts)
I tell him well I had been working a week or so ago on splits.... I went from a foot until a full flat on floor split to about 3 inches before a complete split
He says: Why are you doing that for? Cuz I can? I reply and.... I don't want to lose any more limberness, I have already lost so much!!!
He then says, you can do splits but you can't go to church?????????
I say, its not my legs that hurt... it's sitting for an hour that hurts my back and neck too much LOLOLOL
But anyway, I have been disturbed by the chat Alex and I had about opiates..... from 2 angles
1) Is he working with my PCP to get me to stop
( he was telling me he wonders if its my belief system that insists I won't be able to do anything in life without them ( it is true, I do think that is likely unless God does intervene )
2) and on the other hand, am I not trusting God like Alex sort of insinuated?
Needless to say, I am sort of depressed because I am not sure what thought to take captive, because I am confused...
Alex also said he thought perhaps I didn't really want to be there and perhaps I felt like I was being compelled and almost held captive because I had to fulfill certain requirements etc.
That is also true....tho I do like Alex and I do think he is a Christian.... but that maybe he is compromising, in order to feed his family and perhaps he is not totally trusting the Lord either?
I was up at 7 this morning, and since Devon has been home 2 days sick......I was able to show him Pilgrim Progress by Scott Cowthon.
Like I said before I am not sure why Scott went to make Five Night's at Freddies ( a horror survival video game )...except he may have done the same thing Alex is doing.....not trusting God to feed his family on his own strength?
But I think God has used FNAF ( tha's how the teens etc write it when commenting on Pilgrim's progress.....they talk about coming to see PP from FNAF
Piligrim's Progress is getting close to 2 million views of on youtube and many many many view's are by young folk who would never ever ever had any interest in Jesus..... but came because of 5 nights at Freddies.
And the comments are interesting as they discover the message that Scott gives in his version of P P.
I am thinking the Lord may actually draw some of those game players to himself as a result (even one person converted would be a blessing).
I was a little disheartened with Devon tho....he was totally into Piligrim's Progress and even said to me: you know gram-ma I haven't read the Bible in awhile now.......
But as soon as it was over, off he went to play video games for several hours until Leonard came to take his turn watching Devon.
Barbara, as far as Alex and opiates go, you're over thinking things. You need to learn to take things at face value, in other words, take his words for exactly what they said, and not try to think of things he might have meant. What he said is true. Pain is a gift from God. It normally does prevent us from causing further harm to ourselves. Sadly, people who live with pain often lose that at least partially, because pain becomes "normal" for them. So they no longer see it as something telling them something is wrong. For example, for many months I woke up in "extra" pain, and would always find myself rubbing my leg or knee or something like that. But I wasn't even aware I was rubbing them. I didn't even notice that part for many months. I remember the morning it finally hit me....that the pain wasn't just in my back like always before, that now I was rubbing my knees and legs (hip joint). I made a doctor appointment that same morning and that's when I discovered that I now had RA. But it took months of pain before I even realized that the pain was different since normally I was always in so much pain anyway. That would never happen to a person who doesn't live with pain because the gift of pain would fully work for them.
The second thing he said is also quite true and we've talked about that many times in the pain forum and other places. I wouldn't want to stop having the pain if it meant that I'd lose the tremendous blessings the Lord has given me because of it. I know that without it, I'd never have become as close to Him as I am now, nor would I have had the opportunity to spend so many hours every day in His Word. Plus many other things that He's taught me because of it, such as relying on Him and not doctors or meds, etc. That doesn't mean that I don't take meds. You know I do. But, I have learned that the meds that work only do so because the Lord makes them work. When they don't work, again, it's the Lord that's in control, not the medication, not the doctor, not me. I do my best to not take any meds without the Lord's approval. I try to ask Him before taking anything at any time every day and night. But I do still take them with His permission. I do this for a number of reasons: to remind myself that the Lord is in control and that I live for Him, not myself, to prevent myself from becoming dependent or addicted to anything, (as I also pray that the Lord will prevent that) and to give myself that extra minute to really reflect on whether or not I really need that medicine that I want to take. Oh yeah, about opiates making your body more sensitive to pain, it's not about craving a narcotic, it's physical reaction that can happen:
There’s an unfortunate irony for people who rely on morphine, oxycodone, and other opioid painkillers: The drug that’s supposed to offer you relief can actually make you more sensitive to pain over time. That effect, known as hyperalgesia, could render these medications gradually less effective for chronic pain, leading people to rely on higher and higher doses. A new study in rats—the first to look at the interaction between opioids and nerve injury for months after the painkilling treatment was stopped—paints an especially grim picture. An opioid sets off a chain of immune signals in the spinal cord that amplifies pain rather than dulling it, even after the drug leaves the body, the researchers found. Yet drugs already under development might be able to reverse the effect. www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/05/why-taking-morphine-oxycodone-can-sometimes-make-pain-worse
It doesn't always happen, and it's never happened to me. I take the same dose of morphine that I've taken since the first day it was prescribed to me many years ago. Actually, come to think of it, I take a smaller dose than what was originally prescribed! (because my first prescription for it after my surgery was for 90mgs every 6 hours as needed, and now I take 60mgs 3 times a day as needed. (4 times a day during a flare if needed) I don't have any proof for what I'm about to say, and I haven't researched it so I could be wrong, but I believe the reason I haven't needed a larger dose is because of the Lord, my prayers about it over all these years, and because I've tried to be very careful not to take it unless I really needed it. That's not to say I haven't made mistakes at times and realized after I took it that I probably could have done without it, but when that happened, I asked the Lord to forgive me and even to mitigate the effect of it. I've noticed though that those who live with pain often want to ask for larger doses, thinking that if what they're taking now makes their pain X amount better than more will make it even better. Their doctors may even give them larger doses thinking that the med isn't helping them like it used to. Sadly that's a good way to wind up addicted - at least I think so. Narcotics/Opiates can be very beneficial as we well know. But they have to be used very cautiously and very conservatively as well. Personally, I feel that doctors have not (and still aren't) doing a very good job educating patients about opioids when they do prescribe them. They shouldn't try to scare their patients by telling them they can be addicting, but instead should educate them about the pro's and con's of taking them before they prescribe them and let the patient decide if they want to go that route.
I have also noticed something else that's very true and found that other people who live with pain have often had the same experience: That when I've been in a lot of pain - like when the pain's been extra bad for days or weeks, like during a flare, that right after that, I am extra sensitive to pain. If I do something like stub my toe or cut myself, or whatever, it seems to cause me much more pain than it normally would. I've come to realize that the pain isn't really worse, it's just that I've been so overwhelmed with pain for awhile, that I simply can't take anymore. I've never taken anything for the pain that things like that cause me at those times because I realized that, but it does make me cry. When it happens, and I start to cry, I just turn to my constant companion and the lover of my soul and cry on His shoulder for a bit. He always comforts me and makes me feel better (emotionally).
The bottom line though is that what Alex was telling you about this is what the medical community believes to be true. If you want to research it just type "opiates make pain worse" into google.
So Alex isn't "trying" to tell you anything. He said the same things you and I have said and he said them well. He was simply speaking to you in love as one Saint to another.
Again, Alex was right in that you didn't want to be there. He wasn't putting you down for that, he was just stating a fact. There's nothing wrong with him saying so, and you've told me that you didn't want to be there too. As far as whether or not he's trusting the Lord fully or not, that's not for us to say. We're to accept our brothers and sisters in Christ and cover any sins with love, just as he did with you. We must remember: “Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.” (Romans 14:4) “You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.” (Romans 14:10) He's obviously well aware of his own failings, because he confessed them to you, and from what you said, I'm sure he's talked to the Lord about it. Therefore our job is to love him, pray for him and encourage him. After all, we're ALL sinners, right?
I've been praying for Leonard and will continue to do so. I'm glad I asked you about it as I had thought he had already had it from what you said in chat. I hope he's starting to feel better and that he can soon have it all over with.
That's great that you're so very limber still. I used to be like that too - 20 years ago. Not anymore though. Not by a long ways! It's interesting that Alex asked you about church, because I was thinking of asking you the same question last night! Being part of a church body is so very important. I've come to realize it more and more as I've studied and feel convicted even more to go myself, regardless of the pain it causes. I know I can't go every Sunday, but I'd like to go as often as I possibly can. Maybe that will only be once a month, but whatever it is, I want to do it to honor the Lord.
Why do you think that you allowed yourself to become depressed because of an encounter with another godly Christian? You said you didn't know what thoughts to take captive. Having read what I've just written, I think you know which ones to take captive now. All of them! He never said anything to you that should have caused you to feel badly. He affirmed your faith in God as true and you as good for having it. He agreed with you that all those things that you don't want to be a part of are ungodly and assured you that you wouldn't have to be a part of them. Those things should have caused you to start thanking the Lord and praising Him! He knew you felt like you were being forced to do something that you didn't want to do, so he also affirmed that for you. Again we should thank the Lord when He sends us someone who can discern things like that so well and who sympathizes with us. Lastly was his question about church. I can see 2 reasons why he would ask you why you didn't go to church. First, it probably shocked him that you didn't go, because he obviously sees you as a godly woman who knows God's Word. Second, as a PT, it's his job to discover why we can't do things so he can find out if it's possible for him to help us to be able to do them again. So in no way was it a put down. Yet I have a feeling that's how you took it.... If it is bothering you that you don't go to church, perhaps it's because the Holy Spirit is convicting you as He has been me. That doesn't mean that we have to go every single Sunday or that we have to go when we're truly simply unable to do so due to physical pain or problems. What it does mean is that He wants us to consider it and commit to going when we feel we might be up to it with His help. (remember, He will always enable us to do whatever He tells us to do - our job is to discern when -which Sunday's - He is telling us to go and which Sunday's it's ok to stay home.) Certainly nothing to be depressed about, instead something to thank Him for because He doesn't ask people to discern something like that when they aren't ready to do so - regardless of how impossible it may feel to us at the time.
My brain isn't working and I can't for the life of me remember who "Scott" is.... sorry. But I'm glad everyone is watching Pilgrim's Progress. I just watched this version last week: I watched the Faithlife TV version and didn't like it at all, so went to you tube and found this one and have really enjoyed it!
I wouldn't worry about your grandson. He just did what's natural for little boys. Does he see you reading your bible regularly? That would probably help a lot. What he said though is reason to praise the Lord for it's obvious that seeds have been planted and are being cared for by the Lord.
It really amazes me that you're able to do as much as you do. You do so much more than I can! That's really wonderful! I hope you're able to get some more rest though and that you and Leonard and Devon all start to feel better soon.
Oh you asked if I knew why Paul had not compromised and I am thinking I don't really know for sure??
2/16/17 Acts 21: 27-40
The people because they had seen Paul with Trophimus assumed he had brought Greeks into the temple and a riot started and they tried to beat and kill Paul, until Roman soldiers came and rescued him.....
however, my application would be to even have some of the love of Jesus, the people ( even those trying to kill me if ever that happened) by being like Paul..... instead of telling the Roman soldiers hurry hurry get me out of here.....he asks to speak to the very people trying to kill him
I am sure God can do anything, but Oy Vey He is going to really have to work on me, because I would for sure at this point in my life be wanting the soldiers to hurry me away!
When Alex said he admired my boldness
( and Alex said we know where you got the strength to do that)
to have walked out of a stupid pain class.....
even that little thing was hard for me to do......because I did not want to hurt Alex's feelings,
but yes, I had to put Jesus first and yes the 'strength' came from the Lord,
but imagine to great gap from that to Paul!!!!!!!
Did it occur to you when reading yesterdays scripture that what Paul did by taking the vow sounded suspect since he's always telling people that they aren't under the law but under grace? Did it seem like maybe he was doing something that was questionable? If not, then no problem. But if it did, and you weren't sure why or if it was good for him to do what he did, then it would be better for you to not continue reading until after you found out the truth about it, by asking the Lord and seeing where He led you for the answers. I'm only saying that for future reference.
Yes, it took great strength for you to walk out of that class, and it did come from the Lord! But it really wasn't smaller than what Paul did if you think about it. You did what you had to do with the Lord's help - which He gave you exactly when you needed it. Paul did the same, for the same reason. You and Paul were in different circumstances, but the Lord was with each of you and giving each of you exactly what you needed - spiritually, physically, emotionally, and mentally, at each moment you needed it. So really it's exactly the same thing, and that should cause you to really rejoice that you were given the privilege of having such an experience!
Did you notice that the words the crowd shouted in Acts 21:36 were the very same ones they shouted about Jesus? Some versions may translate the words slightly differently, but the words “Away with him!” in the original language are the same. Here's something I found interesting and thought you might too:
“As the soldiers were about to take Paul into the barracks, he asked the commander, “May I say something to you?” “Do you speak Greek?” he replied.” (Acts 21:37)
Paul’s use of the language of educated people startled Lysias, who assumed his prisoner was an uncultured criminal. The MacArthur study Bible
Deferentially Paul turns to the chiliarch & asks whether it is permitted that he say something to the chiliarch. When we note what Paul intends to ask we see why he makes this preliminary inquiry. It is well, too, to keep in mind the importance of this military man & the hauteur that so many high officers exhibit to this day. & Paul was a prisoner in chains. The thing to be noted is Paul’s spirit. Manhandled in the worst way, barely saved from a murderous mob, he is so far from being upset that he plans to use this frightful occasion in the interest of the gospel! In order to feel the magnificence of such a spirit imagine yourself in his place at this moment. “Do you know (how to speak) in Greek?” That was the last thing the chiliarch expected from this prisoner. The Interpretation of the Acts of the Apostles
This Egyptian rebellion occurred between a.d. 52–57. Luke the Historian
““Aren’t you the Egyptian who started a revolt and led four thousand terrorists out into the desert some time ago?”” (Acts 21:38) These were the frightful sicarii who were armed with the sica, a curved dagger, from which they had received their name. The translation might be “dagger-men”; “assassins” is used because they made a practice of mingling with the crowds on the Temple grounds, especially during the festivals, when they would carry their daggers under their cloaks & suddenly kill the persons they wanted dead. They were also hired to commit murder, & one of their victims was the high priest Jonathan who was killed at the instigation of the present procurator Felix. It is clear that the chiliarch knows what he is talking about, for the affair had happened only some days before this. Although he had gone into the wilderness with 4,000 of the cutthroats, the chiliarch thought that this Egyptian had suddenly returned, and that Paul was the man. No wonder he had put double chains on this dangerous fellow. But this Egyptian could not speak Greek, and Paul addresses the chiliarch in most excellent Greek. The chiliarch’s great credit for capturing the dangerous Egyptian alive thereby disappears on the instant, and one can imagine his surprise and his disappointment. The Interpretation of the Acts of the Apostles
“Paul answered, “I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no ordinary city. Please let me speak to the people.” Having received the commander’s permission, Paul stood on the steps and motioned to the crowd. When they were all silent, he said to them in Aramaic:” (Acts 21:39–40)
Paul is “a Jew” by nationality and not an Egyptian; “a Tarsian (Acts 9:11) of Cilicia,” who was born in the capital of this Roman province. Significantly he adds, “citizen of no undistinguished city”. What Paul meant by “citizen” the chiliarch failed to catch as we see in Acts 22:27. Perhaps his general surprise was the cause for this, for Paul was declaring himself a Roman citizen (see Acts 16:37-38; Acts 22:25, etc.). He begs to be allowed to speak to the people, to the turbulent mob of Jews who were milling around the stairs that was held by the soldiers. Think of the bold, startling idea! The chiliarch gave the permission. That's all that Luke says. Surely, something about the way in which Paul was conducting himself in this ordeal must have registered in the mind of this chiliarch so as to induce him to consent to a petition that was as astonishing as this. Paul occupied many strange pulpits but none stranger than this one: the top platform of the steps leading into the great citadel Antonia; chiliarch, centurions, Roman soldiers protecting the preacher; a vast mob of violent Jews constituting the audience. A little space is cleared at the edge of the platform. The preacher stands there, &, with the chain rattling at his wrist, his hand gives the signal that he desires quiet in order to speak. The Interpretation of the Acts of the Apostles
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Post by fearnot on Feb 17, 2017 14:08:46 GMT -5
What you said is exactly what happened to me with opiates:
"It doesn't always happen, and it's never happened to me. I take the same dose of morphine that I've taken since the first day it was prescribed to me many years ago. Actually, come to think of it, I take a smaller dose than what was originally prescribed!"
In fact, most....but not always, I take even less ( I do save some least we have some electric outage or storm, flooding etc. etc. where I will not be able to get any for days or weeks.
But then I do have some bad flare ups and have to take more. It's very weird, sometimes the pinched nerves seem 'calm"? if that makes sense?
But sometimes they get extremely inflamed or something and cause a lot of pain.
I too have had a few times ( not often) but an occasional time when I took an extra one and realized I probably could have gotten by without it, but that is NOT a habit as I work hard to take the minimum I can get by with....which means always living with some discomfort at the very least.
In fact, even as a young person, with just scoliosis I had discomfort and/or pain depending on what I did ( Like being a hostess at a pancake house one summer which gave me a lot of pain in my back)...
so it's hard for me to imagine what living without physical pain would be like... well unless I had some injury but I think there are people who don't usually hurt right?
Oh I wasn't saying what Alex said about pain was wrong....about it being a help in many ways, I actually took that part to heart, cuz I knew it was true.....
But where the confusion came in was because it seemed he mixed it with the brain craving opiates ( not that he did that exactly but we discussed both)
I guess where I read into it was it still seemed like a possible pitch for me to quit taking pain meds, because what I heard was pain meds just block pain.... in fact, because they do there is even a chance a person could do more..... but end up causing more damage because they are not feeling as much pain ( then if they had no meds they would not be doing potential damage....that the message I heard)
I also thought he was saying, you have a mind set that believes you cannot have a 'life' without pain meds.... which he also implied meant not trusting God to help me That was something I wondered if I should indeed pray more about, because I do think that is true to a great extent..... IF for some reason I could never take any meds again, then I do think that perhaps I would not be able to do the things I do now.....which I would be sad about, at least at first, but I would lean on the Lord.... but actually my bigger concern would be dealing with greater pain until I died or was raptured. And again, I would have to lean on the Lord.
It's true I am a bit concerned about church, we have a new pastor but Leonard has not had a real chance to see what he is like. Our last pastor was big on psychology, making good friends of sinners, broke the church up into several mini churches, one for just young people, another for the surfers, with music they would be able to relate to and so forth. He was very numerous, but I sometimes felt like I was at comedy hour....I appreciate a good Christian joke ( John MacArthur is sometimes very funny)....but I felt a lack of real Bible teaching or if and when he preached it often was with a psychological analysis or sometimes something I felt was really not right and the praise and worship music often felt like a mantra singing the same verse over and over and over and over and over and over...till all I could think of was when are we going to stop!!! LOLOL
And tho they had coffee and tea and cookies etc I was still in a lot of pain often, chairs not that comfy....but I understand I was not there to be comfy but it often felt more disrespectful to the Lord as I would endlessly wiggle and squirm trying to get some relief....and then to stand and sign the same verse over and over and over...did I mention that LOLOL
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Post by fearnot on Feb 17, 2017 20:07:03 GMT -5
2/17/17 Acts 22: 1-21
Paul tells the crowd his story. Paul is an example of doing what the Lord tells you to do, say,(or go), even when it will be unpopular at the very best.
By the way, my appointment with Alex went a lot better ( thank you for replying so promptly, so that I was in a much better frame of mind. Of course, he asked me again about going to church LOL Well, he also gave me a pedometer which I always kind of wanted. Last night I watched several John MacArthur sermons which were great!! Plus I didn't have a lot of time to be looking at news or any other foolishness...tho I did look at one or two things. But MacArthur's sermons are about an hour each....
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Post by fearnot on Feb 18, 2017 14:52:08 GMT -5
2/18/17 Acts 22: 22-30
Paul the Roman Citizen and Paul Before the Sanhedrin
I am not sure, but I think what might have really upset the Jews Paul was talking to was when He stated that God was sending him to the Gentiles. In any case the commander was going to have Paul logged and interrogated until Paul asked if it was legal to flog him a Roman Citizen having not yet been found guilty. So instead they brought Paul Before the Sanhedrin.
The application I for me is to cooperate with the authorities, but also it is alright to be honest about anything that might help my case, like Paul asking concerning his status and then answering honestly about it.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 19, 2017 14:14:32 GMT -5
2/19/17 Acts 23: 1-11
Well, going before the high priest Ananias didn't work out so well.... ( from a human....um...'my perspective', because a violent uproaring dispute happened, so much so that the commander was afraid Paul would be torn to pieces by them....
But even more so because:
v.13 "...the Lord stood near Paul and said: Take courage! As you have testified about me in Jerusalem, so you must also testify in Rome.”
I know the application for me is to: take courage, in whatever the Lord wishes me to say or do or go etc.
I've been reading a series called: "The Blades of Acktar" In it are 2 sisters: A young 13 year old.....strong believer in the Lord and her older 18 year old sister who is filled with doubts, fears, worries, etc. She is a barely hanging in their Christian where as her younger sister is so strong in the Lord.
I sooooooo relate to the 2nd older sister!!!
She finally by the last chapter of the 2nd book in the series begins to conquer some of her fears and doubts ( by truly trusting in the Lord )
I so admire Paul's fearlessness and I know it comes from his close walk with Jesus, and in the strength of the Lord...
But I figured out one thing all by myself in the reading of this series when the 2 sisters are being held captive in a castle prison and the older sister is doing her usually doubting....
But she begins to gain just a little gumption to speak God's truth to the evil king....
She is thinking why didn't God save them, why is he leaving them their to eventually be tortured and die?
And then I realized this was a symbol of Paul being capture, flogged, etc. in front of high priests, and kings.....to let them hear the truth so they might be eventually converted or judged.....
I get that..... but... I still would not like it because I prefer 'comfort' and not being in horrifying conditions....
actually once or twice this series came so close to describing me I actually got tears in my eyes and told the Lord how sorry I was ( not unlike Peter denying the Lord 3 times).
Of course, it is uplifting to feel the hope, as this young coward of a girl begins to have true faith in the Lord ( it took almost 2 whole books for the transformation to begin)!
But we don't hear of Paul whining and complaining to Jesus about heading off to his death...in fact, I suspect in some ways he welcomes it....
like he said about being torn between desiring to depart and be with the Lord which was better (waaaaaaaaay way better) but needing to stay in the body in order for other people ( to help teach, encourage, etc. other people, I am thinking).
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Post by Cindy on Feb 20, 2017 10:53:10 GMT -5
Barbara, before I forget, I want to tell you to forget what I said about talking more about how you're applying the scriptures in your life - the applications. If you want to speak about it, that's fine, but otherwise, forget I mentioned it ok? I'll explain shortly.... just didn't want to forget to tell you this.What you said is exactly what happened to me with opiates:
"It doesn't always happen, and it's never happened to me. I take the same dose of morphine that I've taken since the first day it was prescribed to me many years ago. Actually, come to think of it, I take a smaller dose than what was originally prescribed!"
In fact, most....but not always, I take even less ( I do save some least we have some electric outage or storm, flooding etc. etc. where I will not be able to get any for days or weeks.
But then I do have some bad flare ups and have to take more. It's very weird, sometimes the pinched nerves seem 'calm"? if that makes sense?
But sometimes they get extremely inflamed or something and cause a lot of pain.
I too have had a few times ( not often) but an occasional time when I took an extra one and realized I probably could have gotten by without it, but that is NOT a habit as I work hard to take the minimum I can get by with....which means always living with some discomfort at the very least.
In fact, even as a young person, with just scoliosis I had discomfort and/or pain depending on what I did ( Like being a hostess at a pancake house one summer which gave me a lot of pain in my back)...
so it's hard for me to imagine what living without physical pain would be like... well unless I had some injury but I think there are people who don't usually hurt right?
Oh I wasn't saying what Alex said about pain was wrong....about it being a help in many ways, I actually took that part to heart, cuz I knew it was true.....
But where the confusion came in was because it seemed he mixed it with the brain craving opiates ( not that he did that exactly but we discussed both)
I guess where I read into it was it still seemed like a possible pitch for me to quit taking pain meds, because what I heard was pain meds just block pain.... in fact, because they do there is even a chance a person could do more..... but end up causing more damage because they are not feeling as much pain ( then if they had no meds they would not be doing potential damage....that the message I heard)
I also thought he was saying, you have a mind set that believes you cannot have a 'life' without pain meds.... which he also implied meant not trusting God to help me That was something I wondered if I should indeed pray more about, because I do think that is true to a great extent..... IF for some reason I could never take any meds again, then I do think that perhaps I would not be able to do the things I do now.....which I would be sad about, at least at first, but I would lean on the Lord.... but actually my bigger concern would be dealing with greater pain until I died or was raptured. And again, I would have to lean on the Lord.
It's true I am a bit concerned about church, we have a new pastor but Leonard has not had a real chance to see what he is like. Our last pastor was big on psychology, making good friends of sinners, broke the church up into several mini churches, one for just young people, another for the surfers, with music they would be able to relate to and so forth. He was very numerous, but I sometimes felt like I was at comedy hour....I appreciate a good Christian joke ( John MacArthur is sometimes very funny)....but I felt a lack of real Bible teaching or if and when he preached it often was with a psychological analysis or sometimes something I felt was really not right and the praise and worship music often felt like a mantra singing the same verse over and over and over and over and over and over...till all I could think of was when are we going to stop!!! LOLOL
And tho they had coffee and tea and cookies etc I was still in a lot of pain often, chairs not that comfy....but I understand I was not there to be comfy but it often felt more disrespectful to the Lord as I would endlessly wiggle and squirm trying to get some relief....and then to stand and sign the same verse over and over and over...did I mention that LOLOL
As far as sometimes taking more and sometimes less, that's not what it means when it says that the original dose doesn't work for someone anymore. When that happens, the person can never take their original dose again for relief, but must get a prescription for a higher dose. For example, I take 60mgs of morphine when I need it. According to that theory, after several years, when I took my morphine, it wouldn't work, so I'd have to go to the doctor and either get a different narcotic or have him write a new prescription for a higher dose. He might write one that said from then on I would take 90mgs of morphine when I needed it. Again, after several years of taking 90mgs, it would stop working and he'd have to write a prescription for a higher dose. So it's not about having to take an extra dose when we're in extra pain, but rather about when our prescription no longer works at all for us. My pain doctor had warned me about this many years ago, before I started my meds, so I was aware of it and was already praying against it. Besides which I knew that every time a patient asks for "more" meds, it puts up a red flag for the doctor and he begins to worry that they're being abused. So from that point on I had vowed to myself that no matter what I would not ever ask for more drugs. Like people who use too much and wind up running out of meds before they can fill their prescription again. No way would I allow that to happen. So with the Lord's help, and being careful to only take it when I really needed it, I was able to stay on the same dosage.
We all have a problem with not trusting God enough in various parts of our lives hon, not just you. I really believe that's what Alex was saying. In other words, he was speaking as one believer to another about how we tend to not trust God with everything. Not that you personally didn't, but all of us, including himself. Do you feel better about your conversation with him now that we've talked about it, or do you think that I'm wrong in this case? (Please believe me, it's perfectly OK to think I'm wrong and to tell me so LOL - it won't hurt my feelings in the least. Trust me, my kids let me know it all the time and so does Bruce!)
As far as not having a life if we didn't have our pain meds, that is something we're all going to have to deal with sooner or later - I don't mean that none of us will have our meds, but rather that we all have to consider in our hearts, what that would mean for us. I'm sure Alex is also aware of what's going on with this war on drugs and how it's affecting people like us - anyone who has pain or works with people who do is aware of it. Knowing this, I've purposely forced myself to reflect on what my life would be like with no pain meds - with "just God" to help me. I'll be honest, it's downright scary!!! I haven't just reflected on this once, but often, because I know that's it's something that could very well happen, and has already happened to some of us. Let me clarify one thing though. When I say I reflect on something, I don't mean that I simply think about it. I mean that I think about it knowing that the Lord is right there with me and so I actually voice my thoughts (in my mind) to Him. So basically, I'm talking to Him about it, telling Him my fears, how I feel, what I think might happen, etc. and just as importantly, asking Him for wisdom about it (remember James 1:5) and knowing that He will in fact give me that wisdom because I asked. I ask Him to guide me in my thoughts and actions so that if that time comes, I'll be as ready as anyone possibly could be.
When I first started taking to Him about it, the thought terrified me. I'd start crying at the very idea of it. Now, because of His help and guidance, it doesn't scare me or bring me to tears. Now it's more like knowing that you have an extremely difficult job ahead of you that's going to take every ounce of control and strength, and everything else that you have, and kind of dreading it, but at the same time, preparing for it. Like you said, I know that without my meds, I wouldn't be able to do hardly anything at all since I can do very little with them. Grocery shopping would be out of the question, and so would the majority of cleaning my house. The Lord told me that instead of thinking of what I wouldn't be able to do, I should instead think of what I would be able to do, so that's what I try to do when I'm reflecting on it now. One things for sure, it wouldn't stop me from being in His Word or from praying! In fact, it may cause me to do even more, LOL. Satan loses again! Like you, my big concern would be dealing with the pain. The Lord seems to be telling me to simply trust Him, and reminding me of how He has often relieved the pain for me, and how He's shown me a number of "tricks" for reducing the pain without meds. It seems that He's indicating that He can and will handle it if it should come down to that. So, I'll simply trust Him and obey. When I reflect on it though, I do not dwell on the pain that I'll be in, because the Lord tells us not to dwell on things like that. I do speak to Him about it, and I've shared some of what He's told me, but I don't allow myself to just dwell on it, because all that would do would be lead to depression. I remember when I first got hurt. I used to call my pain doctor at least once a week. I'd be in tears and would beg him to do something, anything, to stop the pain. He couldn't stand it when I did that, lol. (I guess most men hate to see a woman cry) So I have to wonder what will happen if are meds are taken away and we wind up in that kind of pain again and start calling in tears begging them for help. I have a feeling that eventually we'd get our meds back. I really like talking about this with you and others who live with pain. I think talking about it is helpful as we can encourage each other in the Lord and help each other prepare, don't you?
Yeah, I don't like those things about any church either. One thing to keep in mind though, which is what I've been considering myself, is that we don't have to stay for the entire service. It sounds like it's a good thing that you got a new pastor, as the old one doesn't sound like He was faithful to the Bible. But I think, if we went and sat toward the back (I normally sat in front so that will be a change for me lol) so that we could quietly get up and leave when we needed to, that the Lord would be honored that we at least did our best to obey Him. The hard part for me is actually getting there since mornings are the worst part of the day for me. That's the part that's preventing me from going. sigh....
2/17/17 Acts 22: 1-21
Paul tells the crowd his story. Paul is an example of doing what the Lord tells you to do, say,(or go), even when it will be unpopular at the very best.
By the way, my appointment with Alex went a lot better ( thank you for replying so promptly, so that I was in a much better frame of mind. Of course, he asked me again about going to church LOL Well, he also gave me a pedometer which I always kind of wanted. Last night I watched several John MacArthur sermons which were great!! Plus I didn't have a lot of time to be looking at news or any other foolishness...tho I did look at one or two things. But MacArthur's sermons are about an hour each.... That's so funny, cause I just got a pedometer too! Got it at walmart for less than $5. My daughter gave me the idea. I'm using it to try and figure out what the longest that I can walk without pain and the shortest is. (measured in steps). I'm glad your appointment went better. It sounds like you're doing great!
Did you notice what he added about his miraculous experience in this telling as well as in Acts 9:7? “My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.” (Acts 22:9) It's just like what happened to Daniel in Dan 10:7. “The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone.” (Acts 9:7) The commentaries say: this aligns Paul with the prophets before him. Just as Daniel’s visions communicated the future of Israel, Paul’s vision may expand on that revelation. The apostle sees the vision of Jesus, the Son of Man (Dan 7:13). If the Jews viewed Paul’s work as an expansion of Daniel’s revelation, this would greatly allay their fears. The apostle was acting in accordance to God’s plans for Israel and held out hope for the nation. Faithlife Study Bible
MacArthur brings up something else I found interesting. We know only Paul understood what Jesus was saying to him and that makes sense because Jesus was speaking to Paul, not to the other men. I know if we wrote the bible instead of the Holy Spirit, we'd have probably made it so that everyone could have heard what Jesus said, cause we'd think that would be so cool. But this was Paul's private audience with his creator, and not something that should be shouted to the world. It's actually very comforting to me. It reminds me of the truth that God is not going to blab to someone else about me, instead, when He has something to say to me, He will tell me, not others.
““ ‘What shall I do, Lord?’ I asked. “ ‘Get up,’ the Lord said, ‘and go into Damascus. There you will be told all that you have been assigned to do.’” (Acts 22:10) My eyes were drawn to the word I underlined in this verse. Did you notice it? It reminded me of another verse (of course lol) “For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” (Ephesians 2:10) It's not just Paul who has been assigned things to do, but you and I have been as well!
This was important to Paul (and us) too: ““Then he said: ‘The God of our fathers has chosen you to know his will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from his mouth.” (Acts 22:14) "The God of our fathers" again related Paul's experience to the OT prophets and God's plan (from the OT) for Israel, letting him know that this wasn't a sudden, spontaneous decision God had made, but something God had planned from the very beginning.
2/18/17 Acts 22: 22-30
Paul the Roman Citizen and Paul Before the Sanhedrin
I am not sure, but I think what might have really upset the Jews Paul was talking to was when He stated that God was sending him to the Gentiles. In any case the commander was going to have Paul logged and interrogated until Paul asked if it was legal to flog him a Roman Citizen having not yet been found guilty. So instead they brought Paul Before the Sanhedrin.
The application I for me is to cooperate with the authorities, but also it is alright to be honest about anything that might help my case, like Paul asking concerning his status and then answering honestly about it.
That's exactly what upset them! It was the one word, "gentiles"! It wasn't so much that Paul was going to preach to the gentiles that upset them, but rather that the Jew's and the Gentiles were equal - that infuriated them! Their response if very important because it shows again that the Jew's in Jerusalem had irrevocably refused the gospel and Jesus and sealed their fate. It was less than 20 years after this that the city of Jerusalem lay in total ruin. I think that another good application would be to warn people to think hard and long before denying the Lordship of Christ.
2/19/17 Acts 23: 1-11
Well, going before the high priest Ananias didn't work out so well.... ( from a human....um...'my perspective', because a violent uproaring dispute happened, so much so that the commander was afraid Paul would be torn to pieces by them....
But even more so because:
v.13 "...the Lord stood near Paul and said: Take courage! As you have testified about me in Jerusalem, so you must also testify in Rome.”
I know the application for me is to: take courage, in whatever the Lord wishes me to say or do or go etc.
I've been reading a series called: "The Blades of Acktar" In it are 2 sisters: A young 13 year old.....strong believer in the Lord and her older 18 year old sister who is filled with doubts, fears, worries, etc. She is a barely hanging in their Christian where as her younger sister is so strong in the Lord.
I sooooooo relate to the 2nd older sister!!!
She finally by the last chapter of the 2nd book in the series begins to conquer some of her fears and doubts ( by truly trusting in the Lord )
I so admire Paul's fearlessness and I know it comes from his close walk with Jesus, and in the strength of the Lord...
But I figured out one thing all by myself in the reading of this series when the 2 sisters are being held captive in a castle prison and the older sister is doing her usually doubting....
But she begins to gain just a little gumption to speak God's truth to the evil king....
She is thinking why didn't God save them, why is he leaving them their to eventually be tortured and die?
And then I realized this was a symbol of Paul being capture, flogged, etc. in front of high priests, and kings.....to let them hear the truth so they might be eventually converted or judged.....
I get that..... but... I still would not like it because I prefer 'comfort' and not being in horrifying conditions....
actually once or twice this series came so close to describing me I actually got tears in my eyes and told the Lord how sorry I was ( not unlike Peter denying the Lord 3 times).
Of course, it is uplifting to feel the hope, as this young coward of a girl begins to have true faith in the Lord ( it took almost 2 whole books for the transformation to begin)!
But we don't hear of Paul whining and complaining to Jesus about heading off to his death...in fact, I suspect in some ways he welcomes it....
like he said about being torn between desiring to depart and be with the Lord which was better (waaaaaaaaay way better) but needing to stay in the body in order for other people ( to help teach, encourage, etc. other people, I am thinking).
Sounds like a good book. I honestly believe that the reason we doubt and prefer comfort as you said, is because of two things. First because we don't really see the spiritual realm as real or believe that we will live a wonderful life in that realm one day or that that realm will one day be made to be not only in the spiritual but also in the physical realm. It will eventually occupy both realms which is how we were created to live. So we don't see that realm as comfortable or even really attainable or real to us. But, the more real it becomes to us, the less we crave this world and it's comforts. The other reason, even bigger really, is that the Lord isn't all that real to us either. Instead He's someone we might run to when nothing else will help, and we figure He's our only hope. We don't really think He will help us, but we pray just in case it might work. We tend to see Jesus as a historical figure at best - at least that's real - but all the others are dead, so we have trouble relating to Him being alive. That's where our minds kind of give up because that takes us to the other realm again and we have big problems processing that or relating to it. It's not until the Lord becomes just as real to us as another physical person in our life that we can touch, hear, smell, and see, that we begin to come to grips with the spiritual realm and our real lives. We begin to understand that we're already living in the spiritual realm to a certain extent and simply didn't know it before, therefore the idea of living fully in it isn't as strange, but instead becomes a wonderful idea we want to know more about. Not just as facts, but rather as something we're looking forward to experiencing. We allow our experiences here in the physical realm, especially our relationships with other people, to color how we feel about even having a relationship with Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit. People let us down, hurt us, betray us, etc. over and over again, and hurt us deeply. How then can we trust someone we can't even see? Only the Holy Spirit can get us beyond these doubts and fears and show us the Truth. He does that through God's Word.
But it's not just reading God's Word or studying it that's important. The Holy Spirit uses a couple of things to transform us and our thoughts and feelings. That's the first step, surely and a very necessary and important one. The next step to our being changed, transformed to be more like Christ though is something else. The second thing the Holy Spirit uses to transform us is when we reflect on His Word. When we do that, it's like taking what's in our heads and putting it in our hearts. This is why I've been talking about it so much lately. It's very good that you're being so faithful in reading God's Word daily! It's wonderful and I know that the Lord is pleased too. But now we need to continue the process so we can get His Word from your head into your heart and allow the Holy Spirit to transform you from the inside out. The Holy Spirit always uses God's Word for His transforming work, and the more we really read/study and reflect on it, the more we're changed.
You haven't commented on it any of the several times that I've mentioned that I started the other thread for you and you haven't replied to anything there either, so I don't know if you even read anything I've said about it.... You do know that I started it for you don't you?
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Post by fearnot on Feb 20, 2017 14:40:01 GMT -5
I just remembered about the other thread this morning but I had to go at 4:30 to watch Devon and didn't have my computer so I have not yet read it.....we have been having all manner of distractions, Leonard's medical issues, the workers have been working for days ( weeks) making endless noise which makes it hard to think even ( even with ear plugs in) and so on. I hope to read this afternoon...I am going to have to go back in an hour or so to watch Devon while Leonard goes gets Hossanah.
You had mentioned about something about the applications/ Like not writing about them? Or only if I wanted to? Anyway, did I miss it, cuz I think you were going to elaborate on it?
Anyway, this really struck me because I really did not see it by myself so thank you:
"I think that another good application would be to warn people to think hard and long before denying the Lordship of Christ."
I do think it would also be good to talk a bit more and help encourage each other concerning more about how we should handle if all pain meds were taken away.
Do you recall the time last year I thought my PCP was insisting on my doing a step down .....and totally out of pain meds ( I did have that wrong...at least so far)
Anyway, for 5 days I tried to go cold turkey on my own I was in sooooo much pain I could not eat or sleep then Leonard begged me to take at least 1/2 a pain med...I did and I ate and slept for about 6 hours then I went another 4 day without eating or sleeping I could NOT even do much prayer I was just moaning, groaning, tossing around trying to find some relief.
I am not writing that for sympathy but just to point out another reason of fear......but I did NOT pray about it before doing that in my OWN strength ( ummm lack of actually).
But still like how you mention I find it hard to be aware of the spiritual realm or God's kingdom etc. Just based on those 9 days ( mostly without asking God's help)....
I 'think' it would be like that without pain meds ( If they stopped them all) i would be in that kind of pain until I died..... which might come soon if I continued not to sleep and/or eat....( if I could never take a pain med again) maybe without eating I would in die in 90 days or so....but
days 9 was my limit on my own.... however if they totally take away pain meds...... it would be more days period!!!
Then I wonder if perhaps I should look into alternative med. is there any anything that is NOT of New Age. witchcraft etc.?
Are there any foods, or herbs, or spices that would not be ungodly and not just self-centeredness etc.
And what scriptures should we memorize and reflect on ahead of time?
Speaking of you were saying about getting scripture from my head to my heart....
I would like to also ( when you have time for all of this LOL) to hear more about that process prayers? more about reflecting on scripture ...
maybe someday give an example of how you reflected on a passage...
that might demonstrate the difference between just head knowledge to heart.... how you reflected on it that made it different etc etc.
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Post by fearnot on Feb 20, 2017 15:06:26 GMT -5
2/20/17 Acts 23:12-22
The Plot to Kill Paul
This was the first time reading this that it really hit me that Paul had a sister! It's strange, I never really ever thought of Paul as a child, or having a mom and dad and perhaps siblings.
Anyway, her son hears of the plot of 40 who took a vow not to eat or drink until they killed Paul. Imagine....so many who didn't just get caught up in the spur of the moment anger but made a vow to kill.
This nephew tho took a risk but over came his own fear and did the right think and told Paul, and then a centurion and then the commander.
An application and example to do the right thing, no matter what.
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Post by evafromgreece on Feb 21, 2017 11:01:34 GMT -5
Hey guys. These past weeks were tough from me. After a week sick from gastroenteritis, a little later I was sick again with tonsillitis and at the some days before I got sick I had an accident. I went to the movies and after the screening ended I fell off the stairs. I cannot find the right words in English to explain exactly what happened, but the result was really painful... So these past weeks I wasnt online and I felt also emotionally sick from all these. But... I yesterday finished the book of 2nd Timothy and now I will move on.
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Post by Cindy on Feb 21, 2017 13:11:30 GMT -5
I just remembered about the other thread this morning but I had to go at 4:30 to watch Devon and didn't have my computer so I have not yet read it.....we have been having all manner of distractions, Leonard's medical issues, the workers have been working for days ( weeks) making endless noise which makes it hard to think even ( even with ear plugs in) and so on. I hope to read this afternoon...I am going to have to go back in an hour or so to watch Devon while Leonard goes gets Hossanah.
You had mentioned about something about the applications/ Like not writing about them? Or only if I wanted to? Anyway, did I miss it, cuz I think you were going to elaborate on it?
Anyway, this really struck me because I really did not see it by myself so thank you:
"I think that another good application would be to warn people to think hard and long before denying the Lordship of Christ."
I do think it would also be good to talk a bit more and help encourage each other concerning more about how we should handle if all pain meds were taken away.
Do you recall the time last year I thought my PCP was insisting on my doing a step down .....and totally out of pain meds ( I did have that wrong...at least so far)
Anyway, for 5 days I tried to go cold turkey on my own I was in sooooo much pain I could not eat or sleep then Leonard begged me to take at least 1/2 a pain med...I did and I ate and slept for about 6 hours then I went another 4 day without eating or sleeping I could NOT even do much prayer I was just moaning, groaning, tossing around trying to find some relief.
I am not writing that for sympathy but just to point out another reason of fear......but I did NOT pray about it before doing that in my OWN strength ( ummm lack of actually).
But still like how you mention I find it hard to be aware of the spiritual realm or God's kingdom etc. Just based on those 9 days ( mostly without asking God's help)....
I 'think' it would be like that without pain meds ( If they stopped them all) i would be in that kind of pain until I died..... which might come soon if I continued not to sleep and/or eat....( if I could never take a pain med again) maybe without eating I would in die in 90 days or so....but
days 9 was my limit on my own.... however if they totally take away pain meds...... it would be more days period!!!
Then I wonder if perhaps I should look into alternative med. is there any anything that is NOT of New Age. witchcraft etc.?
Are there any foods, or herbs, or spices that would not be ungodly and not just self-centeredness etc.
And what scriptures should we memorize and reflect on ahead of time?
Speaking of you were saying about getting scripture from my head to my heart....
I would like to also ( when you have time for all of this LOL) to hear more about that process prayers? more about reflecting on scripture ...
maybe someday give an example of how you reflected on a passage...
that might demonstrate the difference between just head knowledge to heart.... how you reflected on it that made it different etc etc.
Barbara, the problem is exactly what you said, but then seemed to keep forgetting, or else you figure it won't make much if any difference at all.....that you did that in our own strength and did not talk to the Lord about it or ask for His help. So of course you were miserable, just like you expected to be. It's entirely different when we're trusting God and doing what He tells us to do and relying completely on Him instead of ourselves. I don't mean that we decide we're going to quit or that we're going to do this or that, and then pray and ask the Lord to bless what we're doing. That's not how it works. Instead it takes a relationship with the Lord. A relationship where you've discussed the situation with Him, searched His Word for what He has to say about it, after asking Him for wisdom concerning it, and then discussed His reply with Him to be sure you understand what He's saying to you. So this isn't a "quick" thing that we do in a few minutes or even in one day, but instead is something we live and do daily with Him. Then when we are sure we've understood His Will in what we're talking to Him about, we again ask for His guidance and help and then we obey whatever it is He has told us to do, knowing that if He has told us to do something than He will enable us to do it.
So, no, if you're in relationship with God; trusting Him and obeying Him, than you're not going to be in that kind of pain, and you're not going to die or even want to die. As far as herbs, foods, etc. that again is something you need to ask the Lord. He knows your body and what it needs and what it doesn't need and He can help you with that better than anyone, even a doctor. After all, He created your body. He also wrote His Word and He knows what scriptures you should memorize. So again that's something you need to talk to Him about. When you read a scripture that resonates with you then know that it's something you should probably memorize. Write it down in your notebook (remember your notebook??) and work on it.
Most alternative medical "treatments" and "meds" are just bogus junk that doesn't really help and is mainly either new age or eastern mystic stuff or a combination of both. None of it was accepted by the medical community until recently when the world went crazy and began to flout their sins and call evil good. So I personally wouldn't look at any of that stuff.
I have shown you some of my reflections on scripture. here's one that's on page 4 of the Devotional forum: A Reflection on Psalm 119 Honestly though, everything I write on this board is written because I've been reflecting on the scripture I've been reading. For example, this one: Whatever You Do or Say. Here's another one that shows how I was reflecting on scripture I'd been reading. Do we take ourselves seriously enough? But this is true like I said, about most everything I write. Plus, I've often shared my thoughts about scripture with you right here on this thread too. It's all from reflecting on it, taking time to think about what I'm reading/studying - seeing how it's reflected in our world today, either in believers or unbelievers, seeing how it's been reflected in my life - whether it's something I want to have show more in my life, or less, what God thinks about it and even why God thinks about it the way He does. It's wondering when God first mentions it, what part of His character it reflects, etc. I'll ask myself how it makes me feel and then why I think it makes me feel that way - also asking the Lord as well. Often when I read a scripture, it will remind me of another scripture, or when I read what a commentary says, that might remind me of another scripture. It comes from looking up and reading cross references or other scriptures that the Lord may remind me of that are about the same topic.
Here's a great verse to reflect on: “How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him.” (1 John 3:1) Then again, every scripture is great to reflect on.... More importantly, it's what I've been hoping to see from you when you write about what you've studied that day - and every once in a while, I do see it.
I'm afraid i don't understand what you're talking about when you said:
What prayers? I'm afraid you lost me there as I know you know all about prayer.... Oh, wait, I just noticed that perhaps the process you're talking about is supposed to go with the line before it instead of the one after it, even though it's separated from it by a blank line...
If you're talking about wanting to know more about the process of getting scripture from your head into your heart, that's easy to explain, and really I already did. There's only one way to do that. It happens when we spend plenty of time really thinking about the scripture - knowing the Lord is there with us (acknowledging that in our minds) and thinking about it to Him and talking to Him about it. Often when we hear the word "reflect" or "meditate" we think of sitting down and doing nothing but thinking about that thing with no distractions of any kind, and that's certainly one way to do it. But it's not the only way. I begin during my study time. I think about what I'm reading. I've already described some of the things I ask myself and ask the Lord about the scriptures I'm reading that day. Generally, I'll read the whole portion of scripture that I intend to study that day, like a whole chapter. Just before I start though, I'll take a quick look back to remind myself of what was happening in the chapter I read the day before (since I tend to study the bible in sequence; but that's something I do all the time, especially if I've chosen to study something out of sequence - that way I'll know the context of what is being talked about) When I'm done reading the chapter I'm studying, I'll then look at each verse separately, starting with the first and continuing until I've gone through the whole chapter. it's usually during this time that I ask a lot of questions and talk to the Lord a lot about each verse. When I'm done with that, I'll again read the entire chapter, keeping in mind all I've learned from each verse. If I have any questions, I'll ask the Lord and see what He says and then I'll reflect on the entire chapter, instead of the individual verses. It's at that time that I'll determine what applications there are for me in what I've read. When I'm done with all my study, I usually spend time in prayer for family and friends if I haven't already, and then I come here and talk about God's Word. I often find that even though we're both studying different books (I'm in 2 Corinthians), that God will point out things in what you studied that go along with what I studied that day. When I'm finished on Fresh- hope, I'll do a few chores and spend that time again reflecting about what I studied. HOWEVER, during that time, since I'm really talking to the Lord about it, and not just thinking about it with human wisdom, He often leads me to other scriptures. We may start out talking about how glorious the gospel is, and how it makes us free, and from there, He may show me ways that I've allowed myself to be a slave to the world's ways instead of free in Him, by reminding me of another scripture or of something in my life or both. He may take me to a completely different topic - or at least to me it seems to be a different topic at first, lol. For example from the gospel He might get me started reflecting on love. I generally spend about an hour talking to Him about His Word while I'm doing chores that I don't need to use my mind for. Sometimes I spend a lot more time than that, and sometimes a lot less. It just depends on the day and what needs doing. I don't do it because I think I have to do it. I do it because I love Him and He's right there with me, so I want to talk to Him, and no matter what subject I bring up to Him, His Word always has something to say about it. I don't stop talking to Him when I'm done reflecting on His Word though. I'm always talking to Him. It might be something as simple as, "O Lord, look at that adorable squirrel!, isn't he cute?" as I look out the window and see the squirrel; Or, "Lord, how in the world am I ever going to get this clean?" I'm constantly sharing my thoughts with Him. I'm alone all day, so I often talk out loud during that time, and only go to speaking to Him in my mind when Bruce gets home.
The point is that He is real to me, and I treat Him (or try to) as though He is. It would sure be rude to totally ignore someone who's sitting next to you, or standing next to you, and with you all day wouldn't it? I think so, so I don't ignore Him. I talk to Him, laugh with Him, and cry on His shoulder when I need to. By doing that, it's made Him even more real to me. I knew that long before I discovered from His Word that He uses things like that to cause us to grow, to get His Word into our hearts and not just our heads. It would just be in my head if I acknowledged that His Word says He is always with me but I didn't act on the knowledge. When I act on the knowledge by talking to Him, sharing my deepest thoughts and feelings with Him as well as superficial ones, it brings Him and His Word into my heart. See what I mean?
2/20/17 Acts 23:12-22
The Plot to Kill Paul
This was the first time reading this that it really hit me that Paul had a sister! It's strange, I never really ever thought of Paul as a child, or having a mom and dad and perhaps siblings.
Anyway, her son hears of the plot of 40 who took a vow not to eat or drink until they killed Paul. Imagine....so many who didn't just get caught up in the spur of the moment anger but made a vow to kill.
This nephew tho took a risk but over came his own fear and did the right think and told Paul, and then a centurion and then the commander.
An application and example to do the right thing, no matter what. Good one! Yes, it's good that it got you to thinking about Paul's family too! Keep it up! Did you notice this: “They went to the chief priests and elders and said, “We have taken a solemn oath not to eat anything until we have killed Paul.” (Acts 23:14) They didn't go to the Pharisees, they went to the Sadducee's who didn't believe in resurrection of the dead or life after death, or angels etc. as they knew that group would be more inclined to help them. This verse significantly excludes the scribes who were mostly Pharisees and who had already shown they were willing to defend Paul. “There was a great uproar, and some of the teachers of the law who were Pharisees stood up and argued vigorously. “We find nothing wrong with this man,” they said. “What if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”” (Acts 23:9) This is also a good example of just how fanatical and zealous many of the Jew's of that time were. Here's some more info about Paul's family for you:
It is unclear how many of Paul’s family members were in Jerusalem (vv. 17, 22). The term “son of Paul’s sister” could indicate a man in his twenties or even older, although it is possible that he was younger (see v. 19, where the commander took him by the hand). It is likely that Paul’s sister also resided in Jerusalem. The fact that this relative of Paul may have been present during the plotting against Paul’s life (the grammar can be taken this way) has led some scholars to wonder whether Paul’s family itself may have been strongly opposed to him. The Apologetics Study Bible
We know nothing about Paul’s sister & nephew except what is recorded here. Phil 3:8 suggests that Paul lost his family when he became a Christian, but we do not know if any of his relatives were converted later. (The word “kinsman” in Rom. 16:7 & 11 means “fellow Jew,” as in Rom. 9:3.) Since Paul’s family had long been connected with the Pharisees (Acts 23:6), his sister was no doubt in touch with the “powers that be” & able to pick up the news that was passed along. Wives do chat with each other, & a secret is something you tell one person at a time! It is not likely that either the sister or the nephew were believers, for that certainly would have shut them out of the official religious circle in Jerusalem. But they were devout Jews and knew that the plot was evil (Ex. 23:2). It was in the providence of God that they were able to hear the news and convey it privately to Claudius. St. Augustine said, “Trust the past to the mercy of God, the present to His love, and the future to His providence.” The Bible exposition commentary
The only clear reference in Scripture to Paul’s family (for other possible references see Ro 16:7, 11, 21). Why he was in Jerusalem, away from the family home in Tarsus is not known. Nor is it evident why he would want to warn his uncle, since Paul’s family possibly disinherited him when he became a Christian (Php 3:8). The MacArthur study Bible
16)So Paul has a sister, and she has a son who is already a νεανίας, a young man between twenty and forty. That is all that we actually know. Guesses are, of course, built up about these meager facts: this sister was much older than Paul who had lived at her house in Jerusalem when he studied under Gamaliel, and this nephew was now studying under this same teacher and thus learned of the plot. Others think that the sister lived in Tarsus, but that her son had come to Jerusalem in order to study there. So also we have no intimation as to how the young man heard about the plot. The accusative is used to designate what one hears. Whether he himself was a Christian or not, he certainly was concerned about his uncle’s imprisonment and what the Jews were doing about it. The moment he discovers the dastardly plot he goes to warn Paul.
Luke’s description is detailed and graphic and delightful to read. Hence he doubles the participles, “coming near and going into the castra,” the soldiers’ quarters in Antonia. That first participle refers to the outer guard or sentries who had to be approached first. It cannot be construed with the preceding as explaining how he came to hear of the plot: “having come upon them” (R., W. P.); for then it ought to precede ἀκούσας, and the preposition used should be ἐπί and not παρά. As a nephew of the prisoner, a harmless young man at that, he had no difficulty in being admitted to see Paul.
17) Paul was in charge of one of the centurions; 21:32 shows that there were several. His request that the young man be taken to the chiliarch naturally met with no difficulty since Paul was a Roman.
19) The young man was a bit frightened to appear before the chiliarch himself. In order to reassure him the chiliarch takes hold of his hand in kindly, paternal fashion and withdraws with him in private, κατʼ ἰδίαν, a set phrase. When the two are by themselves, he starts to inquire (inchoative) about what the young man has to report. Several questions were probably required, but Luke condenses the whole information. The Interpretation of the Acts of the Apostles
Paul’s unnamed nephew somehow heard about the plot of the 40 and was able to get to the barracks to tell Paul and then the commander. Many unresolved questions come to mind. Was Paul’s nephew a Christian? How did he secure this information? Did Paul’s sister live in Jerusalem? If Paul had relatives living in Jerusalem, why did he not stay with them? The nephew was a young man (vv. 17–19, 22). This Greek word neanias, used in verse 17, was earlier used of Paul (7:58) and Eutychus (20:9). It may refer to a man in his twenties or thirties. (Neaniskos, a synonym of neanios, is used in 23:18 and 22. In v. 19 the NIV has “young man” but the Gr. does not.) When the fortress commander heard of this plan, he cautioned Paul’s nephew not to tell anyone he had reported this. The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures
Paul’s sister’s son—(See on Ac 9:30). If he was at this time residing at Jerusalem for his education, like Paul himself, he may have got at the schools those hints of the conspiracy on which he so promptly acted. Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible
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