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Post by fearnot on Nov 30, 2016 13:25:34 GMT -5
I am like you grateful, that I am not God. All these cults that think they are on their way of becoming God does not interest me in the least.
I am not saying I am free from pride, far from it, but No I in no way, what to be God.
I suppose folks in religions and cults thinking they are on their way to being a 'god' might be thinking it would be cool ( like being a wizard, magician etc.) to create whatever you want....but then don't they realize the responsibility that would also go with that.....no Thanks, not my idea of fun.
And if they could just wave their arms about and create a world or universe, they would make such a horror, such a mess, such chaos, etc.
It would be terrifying....why would anyone want that? Pride...I guess, so maybe I am not totally prideful.....
I much prefer being a beloved daughter....I suppose, in Heaven ( if for some insane reason I should want) I could ask Jesus about 'creating' a world...who knows, maybe He would show me a little of the Creation, maybe He would create another world, maybe He would ask me what I would like in it LOLOLOL
But just to do it on my own ( and not even at all....if Jesus makes another universe, and He puts me in it with Him, okay, but without the Lord...it would be another Hell.
I am thinking of the Mormons, Scientology, new agers etc etc.
They must be mad!!!
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Post by fearnot on Nov 30, 2016 13:51:42 GMT -5
11/30/16
Romans 10:1-13
Again the Jews tried to attain righteousness by keeping the law of righteousness, and not the law of faith.
so here is a statement about the how of salvation, that I am hoping you might speak about:
v. 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Is it pertinent that is says; "...believe in your heart" rather than your mind?
I am thinking yes, we need 'head' knowledge but we need more than to just know with our minds yes?
And then what exactly does it mean to profess with our mouth? Does it mean we are not saved if we do not publicly tell someone out loud?
Or does this mean telling God ( or both?)
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Post by Cindy on Dec 1, 2016 11:56:55 GMT -5
I am like you grateful, that I am not God. All these cults that think they are on their way of becoming God does not interest me in the least.
I am not saying I am free from pride, far from it, but No I in no way, what to be God.
I suppose folks in religions and cults thinking they are on their way to being a 'god' might be thinking it would be cool ( like being a wizard, magician etc.) to create whatever you want....but then don't they realize the responsibility that would also go with that.....no Thanks, not my idea of fun.
And if they could just wave their arms about and create a world or universe, they would make such a horror, such a mess, such chaos, etc.
It would be terrifying....why would anyone want that? Pride...I guess, so maybe I am not totally prideful.....
I much prefer being a beloved daughter....I suppose, in Heaven ( if for some insane reason I should want) I could ask Jesus about 'creating' a world...who knows, maybe He would show me a little of the Creation, maybe He would create another world, maybe He would ask me what I would like in it LOLOLOL
But just to do it on my own ( and not even at all....if Jesus makes another universe, and He puts me in it with Him, okay, but without the Lord...it would be another Hell.
I am thinking of the Mormons, Scientology, new agers etc etc.
They must be mad!!!
LOL I hadn't read your whole post when I wrote the above and just now read the last line so we're thinking along the same terms LOL
11/30/16
Romans 10:1-13
Again the Jews tried to attain righteousness by keeping the law of righteousness, and not the law of faith.
so here is a statement about the how of salvation, that I am hoping you might speak about:
v. 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Is it pertinent that is says; "...believe in your heart" rather than your mind?
I am thinking yes, we need 'head' knowledge but we need more than to just know with our minds yes?
And then what exactly does it mean to profess with our mouth? Does it mean we are not saved if we do not publicly tell someone out loud?
Or does this mean telling God ( or both?)
“heart” denotes the centre of all physical and spiritual life. The centre and seat of spiritual life. The soul or mind, as it is the fountain and seat of the thoughts, passions, desires, appetites, affections, purposes, endeavours. Of the understanding, the faculty and seat of the intelligence. Of the will and character. Of the soul so far as it is affected and stirred in a bad way or good, or of the soul as the seat of the sensibilities, affections, emotions, desires, appetites, passions. Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon
Second, we need to take what was said in those verses in context: “But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.” (Romans 10:6–10) What Paul was doing here was putting together verses from Deuteronomy 9:4 and Deuteronomy 30:10–14, which tell about how God’s initiative in grace and man’s humble obedience to it. Then he applies each verse to the gospel showing how they go together. So first he tells about the righteousness that's based on faith as though it was a person who quotes Deuteronomy 30:12-13. He's telling us that the righteousness of faith doesn't require us to go through some kind of impossible quest to find Jesus. It isn't needed because God has clearly revealed that the way of salvation is by faith. That's what Paul has been trying to get across. So instead of trying to find it or working for it, all we need to do is accept what God has revealed to us through Jesus, the things that Paul is telling us about. When Paul says "confess" he's talking about what we believe and know to be true - not just head knowledge, although that too, but a deep personal knowing that Jesus Christ is God - our Creator and Savior and ultimately our Judge. When he says "believe in your heart" he isn't talking about just believing the way we speak about believing something today, but rather that we trust what we know to be true - that Jesus is God, and that we rely on that every minute of every day because now we are admitting that He is in charge of our lives, not we ourselves. He's explaining that salvation is by faith and not by works.
Many of us initially think these two verses are some sort of step by step plan showing "how to be saved" and they're used that way, but that's not what Paul meant them to be. It does show how to be saved, but he was trying to get across to the people that they didn't have to work for salvation, that it was by faith. Yet when we then turn around and make these verses into a way to be saved, we turn them into a work we do to be saved! See what I mean? It just shows again how corrupted our hearts are and how easily we tend to turn things around to be what we want them to be instead of what God intends.
From here, since this is so important, I'll just copy some of my notes for you. If you have any questions though please feel free to ask ok?
“That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9)
Confess … Jesus as Lord. Not a simple acknowledgment that He is God and the Lord of the universe, since even demons acknowledge that to be true (Jas 2:19). This is the deep personal conviction, without reservation, that Jesus is that person’s own master or sovereign. This phrase includes repenting from sin, trusting in Jesus for salvation, and submitting to Him as Lord. This is the volitional element of faith. Believe in your heart. To trust, rely on, or have faith in. When used of salvation, this stresses that faith is not simply a one-time event, but an ongoing condition. True saving faith is supernatural, a gracious gift of God that He produces in the heart and is the only means by which a person can appropriate true righteousness. Saving faith consists of 3 elements: 1) mental: the mind understands the gospel and the truth about Christ (Romans 10:14–17); 2) emotional: one embraces the truthfulness of those facts with sorrow over sin and joy over God’s mercy and grace (Romans 6:17; Romans 15:13); and 3) volitional: the sinner submits his will to Christ and trusts in Him alone as the only hope of salvation. Genuine faith will always produce authentic obedience. God raised Him from the dead. Christ’s resurrection was the supreme validation of His ministry (cf. Jn 2:18–21). Belief in it is necessary for salvation because it proved that Christ is who He claimed to be and that the Father had accepted His sacrifice in the place of sinners (Romans 4:24; cf. Ac 13:32, 33; 1Pe 1:3, 4). Without the resurrection, there is no salvation (1Co 15:14–17). Will be saved. this key word basically means “deliverance” or “rescue.” The power of the gospel delivers people from lostness (Mt 18:11), from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9), from willful spiritual ignorance (Hos 4:6; 2Th 1:8), from evil self-indulgence (Lk 14:26), and from the darkness of false religion (Col 1:13; 1Pe 2:9). It rescues them from the ultimate penalty of their sin, i.e., eternal separation from God and eternal punishment. The MacArthur study Bible
Scripture never speaks of any human being’s making Jesus Lord. It is God who made Him Lord (Acts 2:36). Yet we often read statements such as this: “It is imperative to trust Christ as personal Savior and be born again. But that is only the first decision. Trusting Christ as Savior and then making Him Lord are two separate and distinct decisions. The two decisions may be close or distant in time. Salvation must always precede lordship. But it is possible to be saved without ever making Christ Lord of your life.” In effect that is saying Christ isn’t Lord unless we give Him permission—a completely unbiblical assertion. To be saved you must confess Jesus as Lord. Jesus is called Lord throughout the NT. To omit the lordship of Christ from invitations to salvation would result in the elimination of numerous passages of Scripture. The centrality of the lordship of Christ is clear in the NT gospel. The Jesus who is Savior cannot be separated from the Jesus who is Lord. God cannot be separated from His authority, dominion, rulership, and right to command. When we acknowledge that Jesus is God, we mean He is all that God is. Strength for today.
“For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.” (Romans 10:10)
NASB95 | for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
NET | For with the heart one believes and thus has righteousness and with the mouth one confesses and thus has salvation.
Thus has righteousness in the original Greek is “believes to righteousness.” NET Bible
Justified: This term comes from the Gr. word for “righteous” & means “to declare righteous.” This verdict includes: pardon from the guilt & penalty of sin, & the imputation (to credit to a person)of Christ’s righteousness to the believer’s account, which provides for the positive righteousness man needs to be accepted by God. God declares a sinner righteous solely on the basis of the merits of Christ’s righteousness. The MacArthur study Bible
confess. This Gr. word basically means to say the same thing, or to be in agreement with someone. The person who confesses Jesus as Lord (v. 9), agrees with the Father’s declaration that Jesus is Savior and Lord. The MacArthur study Bible
“resulting in righteousness” The goal of God for every believer is not only heaven someday, but Christlikeness now! The other strong passage on predestination, Eph. 1:3–14, powerfully asserts this truth in v. 4. Believers were chosen to be holy and blameless! Election is not only a doctrine, but it is a lifestyle (cf. Deut. 30:15–20). Verse 10 reflects the twofold emphasis of the Great Commission (cf. Matt. 28:19–20), salvation (make disciples) and righteousness (teach them to observe all that I commanded you). This same balance is found in Eph. 2:8–9 (a free salvation by God’s grace through Christ) and a call to “good works” in Eph. 2:10. A people in His own image has always been God’s desire. The Gospel according to Paul
Paul quoted from the Old Testament to prove to his readers that they did not even understand their own Law. He began with Leviticus 18:5 which states the purpose of the Law: if you obey it, you live.
“But we did obey it!” they would argue. “You may have obeyed it outwardly,” Paul would reply, “but you did not believe it from your heart.” He then quoted Deuteronomy 30:12–14 and gave the passage a deeper spiritual meaning. The theme of Moses’ message was “the commandment” (Deut. 30:11), referring to the Word of God. Moses argued that the Jews had no reason to disobey the Word of God because it had been clearly explained to them and it was not far from them. In fact, Moses urged them to receive the Word in their hearts (see Deut. 5:29; Deut. 6:5–12; Deut.13:3; Deut. 30:6). The emphasis in Deuteronomy is on the heart, the inner spiritual condition and not mere outward acts of obedience.
Paul gave us the spiritual understanding of this admonition. He saw “the commandment” or “the Word” as meaning “Christ, God’s Word.” So, he substituted “Christ” for “the commandment.” He told us that God’s way of salvation was not difficult and complicated. We do not have to go to heaven to find Christ, or into the world of the dead. He is near to us. In other words, the Gospel of Christ—the Word of faith—is available and accessible. The sinner need not perform difficult works in order to be saved. All he has to do is trust Christ. The very Word on the lips of the religious Jews was the Word of faith. The very Law that they read and recited pointed to Christ. At this point Paul quoted Isaiah 28:16 to show that salvation is by faith: “Whosoever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed.” He quoted this verse before in Romans 9:33. He made it clear in Romans 10:9–10 that salvation is by faith—we believe in the heart, receive God’s righteousness, and then confess Christ openly and without shame. The Bible exposition commentary
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Post by fearnot on Dec 1, 2016 16:20:32 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy for all the scriptures and commentaries!!
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Post by fearnot on Dec 1, 2016 16:30:34 GMT -5
12/1/16
This is the beginning of the 12th month of this thread the 31st will make it one year.
Romans 10: 14-21
v. 17 is such a great verse:
"... faith comes from hearing the message,
and the message is heard through the word..."
I think you have said in the past, we do not need to ask God for more faith, He has already given it to us....
However, my application is to continue to
'hear' the Word, and not let my faith, dull by neglect.
One reason this thread is so important to me....thank you Cindy!!
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Post by Cindy on Dec 2, 2016 10:25:48 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy for all the scriptures and commentaries!!
12/1/16
This is the beginning of the 12th month of this thread the 31st will make it one year.
Romans 10: 14-21
v. 17 is such a great verse:
"... faith comes from hearing the message,
and the message is heard through the word..."
I think you have said in the past, we do not need to ask God for more faith, He has already given it to us....
However, my application is to continue to
'hear' the Word, and not let my faith, dull by neglect.
One reason this thread is so important to me....thank you Cindy!!
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Post by fearnot on Dec 2, 2016 15:08:22 GMT -5
12/2/16
Romans 11: 1-10
The Remnant of Israel
I have always heard when people begin to grumble about God not being fair because some are saved and others are not....
That the real show of love is that God saved even one person
But in fact, in this passage it makes it clear that there has always been a remnant...
"there is a remnant chosen by grace"
And that the remnant is not chosen by their good works or anything but grace:
v. 6 "And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works;
if it were,
grace would no longer be grace."
My application is simply to be grateful and thankful it is so.....that is not about how good I am, how perfectly I can keep from sinning, how hard I work for the Lord or anything.... but His grace.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 3, 2016 10:10:20 GMT -5
12/3/16
Romans 11:11-24
Ingrafted Branches
Your thread about the great falling away having already happened, reminded me, that means Israel will 'soon' ( a few more years...10 years? soon-ish)
be grafted back in.
applications for me are already written in for me like:
v. 18 "do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches (Israel, the unbelieving Jews)".
and v. 20
"........Do not be arrogant, but tremble."
Also
v. 22 "Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. "
I need to continue in kindness of God ( what He has imparted into me from Jesus).
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Post by fearnot on Dec 4, 2016 14:16:58 GMT -5
12/4/16
Romans 11: 25-36
All Israel Will Be Saved and Doxology
As it turned out Israel's unbelief allowed the Gentiles with none of the blessings Israel had, to be saved, and in that sense she was a blessing to the Gentiles....
but...
the Gentile's being saved will be a blessing to the Jews.....God's plan for them has not changed.
Even with all her blessings the Jews need God's mercy, just as the Gentiles did ( and do).....so both groups ( all) need God's mercy ( because of our disobedience) !!
My application is to be a blessing to the Jews by continuing to pray for them, that God will soon save them.
The ALL does not mean every single one/person, but more like both groups...I think.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 5, 2016 14:04:05 GMT -5
12/2/16
Romans 11: 1-10
The Remnant of Israel
I have always heard when people begin to grumble about God not being fair because some are saved and others are not....
That the real show of love is that God saved even one person
But in fact, in this passage it makes it clear that there has always been a remnant...
"there is a remnant chosen by grace"
And that the remnant is not chosen by their good works or anything but grace:
v. 6 "And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works;
if it were,
grace would no longer be grace."
My application is simply to be grateful and thankful it is so.....that is not about how good I am, how perfectly I can keep from sinning, how hard I work for the Lord or anything.... but His grace. 12/3/16
Romans 11:11-24
Ingrafted Branches
Your thread about the great falling away having already happened, reminded me, that means Israel will 'soon' ( a few more years...10 years? soon-ish)
be grafted back in.
applications for me are already written in for me like:
v. 18 "do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches (Israel, the unbelieving Jews)".
and v. 20
"........Do not be arrogant, but tremble."
Also
v. 22 "Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. "
I need to continue in kindness of God ( what He has imparted into me from Jesus).
12/4/16
Romans 11: 25-36
All Israel Will Be Saved and Doxology
As it turned out Israel's unbelief allowed the Gentiles with none of the blessings Israel had, to be saved, and in that sense she was a blessing to the Gentiles....
but...
the Gentile's being saved will be a blessing to the Jews.....God's plan for them has not changed.
Even with all her blessings the Jews need God's mercy, just as the Gentiles did ( and do).....so both groups ( all) need God's mercy ( because of our disobedience) !!
My application is to be a blessing to the Jews by continuing to pray for them, that God will soon save them.
The ALL does not mean every single one/person, but more like both groups...I think.
Only those who were saved by faith that God would provide a Savior for them were saved in the OT, just as we are now saved by faith that God did provide a Savior for us in Jesus. God says that "all Israel will be saved" in Romans 11:26.
The reference here is Isaiah 59:20–21; The prophet has national conversion in mind. “All Israel shall be saved” does not mean that every Jew who has ever lived will be converted, but that the Jews living when the Redeemer returns will see Him, receive Him, & be saved. Zech 12–13 give the details. The Bible exposition commentary
To confirm Israel's hardening is temporary, Paul quoted from Isaiah 59:20–21 and 27:9. The statement, “All Israel will be saved” does not mean that every Jew living at Christ’s return will be regenerated. Many of them will not be saved, as seen by the fact that the judgment of Israel, to follow soon after the Lord’s return, will include the removal of Jewish rebels (Ezek. 20:34–38). Following this judgment God will then remove godlessness and sins from the nation as He establishes His New Covenant with regenerate Israel (cf. Jer. 31:33–34). The Bible Knowledge Commentary
“I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.” (Romans 11:25)
mystery. This word is used to refer to NT truth previously not revealed. This mystery has two components: 1) Israel has experienced a partial spiritual hardening, & 2) that hardening will last only for a divinely specified period of time.
so that you may not be conceited. Another warning to the Gentiles against spiritual pride & arrogance.
hardening in part. The nation’s “hardening,” or blindness, does not extend to every individual Jew. Through all of history God has always preserved a believing remnant.
until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. “Until” refers to a specific point in time; “fullness” refers to completion; “has come in” translates a Gr. verb often used to speak of coming to salvation. Israel’s spiritual hardening (which began with rejecting Jesus as Messiah) will last until the complete number of elect Gentiles has come to salvation. The MacArthur study Bible
Romans 11:25 is one of several “until verses” in the Bible, all of which are important. Read Matthew 23:32–39; Luke 21:24; & Psalm 110:1 for other references. It is reassuring that God knows what time it is & that He is never late in fulfilling His will. The Bible exposition commentary
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Post by fearnot on Dec 5, 2016 14:05:44 GMT -5
12/5/17/
Romans 12:1-8
A Living Sacrifice
Even waaaay more now since you wrote to me about these first 2 verses, I have been camping on them.
I have 90-95 % dumped my series I used to watch....but last night, I just thought I would watch just on episode.
I did and I ended up so angry, and sad.
I could not believe what they did....it was supposed to be Christmas.....but a US marine ( whose dad became a pastor) but he became a Muslim....was murdered.
They spent a great deal of time talking about the 5 pillars of Islam, and how people should NOT talk about our religious differences, but only our similarities and so on and on
and there was a tiny bit about Santa for it being Christmas ( the title of that episode was: faith).....
Sick!!!
So back to my Amazon fire tablet and reading.....and my application is of course:
" Do not conform to the pattern of this world,
but be transformed by the renewing of your mind."
And then Humble Service in the Body of Christ were the other verses.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 6, 2016 11:04:31 GMT -5
12/5/17/
Romans 12:1-8
A Living Sacrifice
Even waaaay more now since you wrote to me about these first 2 verses, I have been camping on them.
I have 90-95 % dumped my series I used to watch....but last night, I just thought I would watch just on episode.
I did and I ended up so angry, and sad.
I could not believe what they did....it was supposed to be Christmas.....but a US marine ( whose dad became a pastor) but he became a Muslim....was murdered.
They spent a great deal of time talking about the 5 pillars of Islam, and how people should NOT talk about our religious differences, but only our similarities and so on and on
and there was a tiny bit about Santa for it being Christmas ( the title of that episode was: faith).....
Sick!!!
So back to my Amazon fire tablet and reading.....and my application is of course:
" Do not conform to the pattern of this world,
but be transformed by the renewing of your mind."
And then Humble Service in the Body of Christ were the other verses.
Have you noticed how different you feel when you've been reading a good Christian book or the Bible as opposed to how you feel when you've been watching just about anything on TV? Or when you've been reading a non christian book? I was really surprised when I noticed the difference in myself!
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Post by fearnot on Dec 6, 2016 12:04:42 GMT -5
While sometimes there is humor or a feeling of some emotion watching something on a TV series, one of the problems is there is always a counterpoint that goes against Jesus, Christianity, the Bible etc.
Perhaps they push evolution, or all paths lead to 'god' or little 'sins' are not so bad ( i. e. living and sleeping together unmarried, swearing, being 'gay' etc.).
And it makes me sad and angry.....I just can't understand why can't they have one.....just one show, minus all that???
No there is not even one....
some are a wee bit better than others....
no swearing maybe, or no sex scenes but then, they push something else like evolution, and so on.
But when I read a Christian novel, I am able to relax, knowing that God and His word, Biblical Godly principals will be glorified.....
yes there may sin, but it's clear that is what it is,
and eventually the sinner will most likely understand the gospel,
but even if some don't God is glorified...not mocked.
Its just that I like to watch something some time.....I love reading and always always have, but I am also a very visual oriented person,
so its very disappointing and discouraging that there is not even one well done Godly TV series
( but interesting.....like on the level of many Christian fiction novels).
It's not like the TV executives could not find some great Christian writers for scripts, and there are Christian actors who are actually good actors and actresses.
So I am trying to stick to watching you tube videos about birds, animals, ballet, gardening, news, etc.
I just don't think I will be able to watch any series....they ALL have an underling agenda....some waaay more subtle....
but all have propaganda points hidden in them.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 6, 2016 15:51:15 GMT -5
12/6/16
Romans 12: 9-21
Love in Action
Just about every verse in this passage can be an application for me!!!
v.9 is a little interesting:
".....Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. "
one could camp on these for a loooong time!!!
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Post by Cindy on Dec 7, 2016 13:08:39 GMT -5
While sometimes there is humor or a feeling of some emotion watching something on a TV series, one of the problems is there is always a counterpoint that goes against Jesus, Christianity, the Bible etc.
Perhaps they push evolution, or all paths lead to 'god' or little 'sins' are not so bad ( i. e. living and sleeping together unmarried, swearing, being 'gay' etc.).
And it makes me sad and angry.....I just can't understand why can't they have one.....just one show, minus all that???
No there is not even one....
some are a wee bit better than others....
no swearing maybe, or no sex scenes but then, they push something else like evolution, and so on.
But when I read a Christian novel, I am able to relax, knowing that God and His word, Biblical Godly principals will be glorified.....
yes there may sin, but it's clear that is what it is,
and eventually the sinner will most likely understand the gospel,
but even if some don't God is glorified...not mocked.
Its just that I like to watch something some time.....I love reading and always always have, but I am also a very visual oriented person,
so its very disappointing and discouraging that there is not even one well done Godly TV series
( but interesting.....like on the level of many Christian fiction novels).
It's not like the TV executives could not find some great Christian writers for scripts, and there are Christian actors who are actually good actors and actresses.
So I am trying to stick to watching you tube videos about birds, animals, ballet, gardening, news, etc.
I just don't think I will be able to watch any series....they ALL have an underling agenda....some waaay more subtle....
but all have propaganda points hidden in them.
Also lets not forget the other thread too. Let me know (on that thread) of any of your doubts, or any of the ways Satan attacks you causing you to begin to doubt so we can address them and give you the ammunition you need to stay strong.
I also haven't forgotten the trib and rapture thread but have been waiting for Eva to do that....when she does come back, I'm just going to do that one really fast otherwise we'll never get it done.
12/6/16
Romans 12: 9-21
Love in Action
Just about every verse in this passage can be an application for me!!!
v.9 is a little interesting:
".....Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. "
one could camp on these for a loooong time!!!
“Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves.” (Romans 12:9–10)
Loving participation (vv. 9–16). Here the emphasis is on the attitudes of those who exercise the spiritual gifts. It is possible to use a spiritual gift in an unspiritual way. Paul makes this same point in 1 Cor 13, the great “love chapter” of the NT. Love is the circulatory system of the spiritual body, which enables all the members to function in a healthy, harmonious way. This must be an honest love, not a hypocritical love (Rom. 12:9); and it must be humble, not proud (Rom. 12:10). “Preferring one another” means treating others as more important than ourselves (Phil. 2:1–4). The Bible exposition commentary
“Hypocrisy” was a theatrical term for “speaking behind a mask.” Love must not be play acting or counterfeit (2 Cor. 6:6). Love is the characteristic of believers (John 13:34–35; John 15:12, 17; 1 John 3:11, 1 John 3:18; 1 John 4:7–21) because it is the character of God. “abhor what is evil” Believers need to be surprised & revolted by evil (1 Thess. 5:21–22). Often we are only surprised by the consequences that directly impact our lives. “cling to what is good” —“be glued to” (LXX of Gen. 2:24; Acts 8:29 and also Phil. 4:8; 1 Thess. 5:21–22). The Gospel according to Paul
love. The supreme NT virtue, which centers completely on the needs and welfare of the one loved and does whatever necessary to meet those needs (cf. Matthew 22:37–39; Gal 5:22; 1 Peter 4:8; 1 John 4:16; 1 Cor 13). hypocrisy. Christian love is to be shown purely and sincerely, without self-centeredness or guile. The MacArthur study Bible
“Bless those who persecute you; bless and curse not” (Romans 12:14) is one of the most difficult of all the exhortations to us concerning practical holiness. It goes so much against the grain of our human feelings & logic, yet Paul urges us to obey it. & that was simply in keeping with Jesus’ original instructions: “I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you” Lest we be tempted to think Jesus’ words are impractical and merely idealistic, He gives some specific examples of how we are to treat people who mistreat us: Luke 6:29–30. Furthermore, Christ expects us to treat our persecutors as our friends. (Luke 6:32–33). Jesus Himself is the ultimate example of one who blessed His persecutors. Peter reminds us of the Savior’s example and tells we must adopt the same attitude when we face persecution: 1 Peter 2:21–23. The power of integrity
If Christians cannot get along with one another, how can they ever face their enemies? A humble attitude and a willingness to share are the marks of a Christian who truly ministers to the body. The Bible exposition commentary
“Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn.” (Romans 12:15)
The call to rejoice at all times and in all circumstances does not mean, however, that there are not times when it’s all right to refrain from outward expressions of joy. It is legitimate for us at appropriate times to identify with normal human emotions, just as Paul encourages us in Rom 12:15: “Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.” There is something good and beneficial for us and those we minister to when we legitimately shed tears and show compassion to those dealing with pain and sorrow. However, that shouldn’t disrupt or diminish the Christian’s internal, abiding sense of joy. Rom 12:15 gives us two additional principles for identifying with the ups & downs in other people’s lives. Their happiness & success could be at our expense, or their special circumstances make ours pale by comparison. But God calls us to demonstrate joy when things go well for others—especially other Christians—no matter how badly we might want to make unfavorable comparisons to our own circumstances. Finally, to develop sympathy & empathy for others we must sometimes weep with those who weep. Compassion in a believer is critical because it reflects our Lord’s attitude. The power of integrity
“Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.” (Romans 12:16)
Conceited, self–serving Christians are a serious contradiction. If we would follow Christ we must be submissive to God’s will as contained in His Word. Any confidence you have in yourself, your own wisdom, or your natural talents must be subordinated to the Lord’s commands. In no way should you be conceited, or in any respect consider yourself better than fellow believers. Instead, God wants you to accept and embrace every member of the body of Christ: “Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others” (Phil. 2:4). Truth for today
“Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody.” (Romans 12:17)
The Christian must not play God & try to avenge himself. That's the way most people live. But the Christian must live on a higher level & return good for evil. Of course, this requires love, because our first inclination is to fight back. It also requires faith, believing that God can work & accomplish His will in our lives & in the lives of those who hurt us. We must give place to “the wrath of God”—Deut. 32:35. A friend once heard a preacher criticize him over the radio & tell things that were unkind & untrue. He became very angry & was going to fight back, when a godly pastor said, “Don’t do it. If you defend yourself, then the Lord can’t defend you. Leave it in His hands.” My friend followed that wise counsel, & the Lord vindicated him. The Bible exposition commentary
There is a righteous way to deal with anger. It is to use anger and its energy to attack the problem constructively rather than self or others. This approach looks at the wrong done by someone and confronts that person’s behavior with a view toward lovingly correcting them and resolving the hurt incurred. Anger, so directed, must be in keeping with Christian character as commanded by Christ (Matthew 5–7) and must be solution-oriented. Christianity and change
In the 2nd half of Rom 12:17, Paul arms us with a powerful antidote against the temptation to angrily repay evil for evil. He urges us to “respect what is right in the sight of all men.” If we honestly do that, we will develop, with God’s help, a right attitude toward those who oppose us. Such an attitude of respect prepares us ahead of time to respond to evil with what is good rather than with what is bad. The goodness the Lord would expect us to express in those situations is not to be passive & internal but active & external, so that others may see it. In that way our gracious behavior toward our enemies should be a positive testimony to them & in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.” Titus 2:10. The power of integrity
If you sincerely respect others, including your enemies, you will be predisposed to do the right thing concerning them. Such respect helps you to discipline & prepare yourself ahead of time to respond in all situations in a manner pleasing to God. Behaving in a way that respects what is right & demonstrates graciousness & forgiveness toward others, even your enemies, should be a positive testimony to them. It will also “adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in all things” (Titus 2:10). Truth for today
“If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.” (Romans 12:18)
By definition, a peaceful relationship cannot be one–sided. You must do your part to make sure that your side of a relationship is right. Your inner desire, with God’s help, should be to live in peace with everyone, even the most sinful, hard-to-get-along–with people. Short of compromising the Word of God, you ought to extend yourself to great lengths to build peaceful bridges to those who persecute you and hate you. If you set aside any grudge or bitterness & from the heart completely forgive your enemies, you can honestly seek reconciliation with them. Truth for today
Living at peace with others is a conditional command. At least half the success is dependent on the attitudes & responses of the other person. However, the conditional nature of Paul’s admonition concerning peaceful relations does not mean it’s optional. Any believer who wants to live in integrity has no excuse regarding his responsibility to pursue peace in every relationship. The Lord wants us to have an inner desire to sincerely live peacefully with all varieties of people, even the most unlovable, inconsiderate, hostile, or the most obnoxious. As long as we don’t compromise the scriptural limitations on our relationships with unbelievers, God wants us to be willing to bend over backwards to build peaceful bridges to any persons who hate us & persecute us. That means we cannot hold a grudge or harbor bitterness toward them. We must instead extend genuine, heartfelt forgiveness. Then we can honestly begin the process of seeking reconciliation, the results of which are in God’s hands. The power of integrity
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Post by fearnot on Dec 7, 2016 13:16:52 GMT -5
12/7/16
Romans 13:1-7
Submission to Governing Authorities
A sort of timely passage as we still are not 100 percent certain who will be the next president and what he or she will be like....not to mention the one in office still right now.
It pretty much says who ever is in office is there by God's will and we are not to 'rebel' against that authority ( I know there are a very few exceptions when as a Christian we might be forced to do so, because the authority is demanding we go against God....but barring that, even tho we ( I) do not like the authority over me, I need to do what is right, because God is allowing them for a time, to be in that position. and that is also my application.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 7, 2016 13:30:25 GMT -5
Sorry I do intend to call you...each day so far a bunch of things have come up that have made finding time to talk not the best and today is no exception....landlord is coming, with an appraiser, something unexpected happened that is needing my immediate attention, plus its super cold, need to feed birds, need to tidy a bit because of said landlord ( yes I could call but I wouldn't be relaxed because my mind would be split wondering how much time do I have before he gets here blah blah...I do have days when nothing happens....maybe tomorrow....
But yes a series sounds good!!
Also I wanted to look at your reviews....
and
what books you have read....
on amazon ( I thought I was 'following you?)
but I don't see a 'friends' section
or whatever its called?????
Plus about a month ago you sent me an author who had a free book......but I didn't have my Fire yet....
and I can't download anything to my computer ( its a chromebook....which is good ( no viruses so far on any of them)
but......no way to read a free book when I didn't have a fire
Do you have any recollection ( I actually wrote her and she responded....but there was no way at the time, I could read it....I believe it was a Christian fiction and in a series).
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Post by Cindy on Dec 8, 2016 13:01:52 GMT -5
12/7/16
Romans 13:1-7
Submission to Governing Authorities
A sort of timely passage as we still are not 100 percent certain who will be the next president and what he or she will be like....not to mention the one in office still right now.
It pretty much says who ever is in office is there by God's will and we are not to 'rebel' against that authority ( I know there are a very few exceptions when as a Christian we might be forced to do so, because the authority is demanding we go against God....but barring that, even tho we ( I) do not like the authority over me, I need to do what is right, because God is allowing them for a time, to be in that position. and that is also my application.  Sorry I do intend to call you...each day so far a bunch of things have come up that have made finding time to talk not the best and today is no exception....landlord is coming, with an appraiser, something unexpected happened that is needing my immediate attention, plus its super cold, need to feed birds, need to tidy a bit because of said landlord ( yes I could call but I wouldn't be relaxed because my mind would be split wondering how much time do I have before he gets here blah blah...I do have days when nothing happens....maybe tomorrow....
But yes a series sounds good!!
Also I wanted to look at your reviews....
and
what books you have read....
on amazon ( I thought I was 'following you?)
but I don't see a 'friends' section
or whatever its called?????
Plus about a month ago you sent me an author who had a free book......but I didn't have my Fire yet....
and I can't download anything to my computer ( its a chromebook....which is good ( no viruses so far on any of them)
but......no way to read a free book when I didn't have a fire
Do you have any recollection ( I actually wrote her and she responded....but there was no way at the time, I could read it....I believe it was a Christian fiction and in a series).
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Post by fearnot on Dec 8, 2016 13:59:44 GMT -5
Bummer I can't remember...oh well, I imagine there will be more at some point.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 8, 2016 15:37:13 GMT -5
12/8/14
Romans 13:8-14
Love Fulfills the Law
What a wonderful 'law'....so much better than trying to keep a thousand of washings, fastings etc. etc. ( not that they are all bad)...
The Day Is Near
Several applications to choose from like for example:
v.12 ".....put aside the deeds of darkness
and
put on the armor of light"
v.14 ".....clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh."
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Post by fearnot on Dec 9, 2016 14:20:12 GMT -5
12/9/16
Romans 14: 1-13
The Weak and the Strong
I immediately thought of me and you when I saw that ( of course not physically but in the Lord, in terms of reading and studying the Word ( the Bible) etc. etc. etc.
And don't you know verse one appealed to me LOL
"Accept the one whose faith is weak....."
Just joking....but still...
I also thought v. 2 was interesting....is this about vegetarians?
"whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables....'
I have from time to time been a semi sort of non meat eater ( I don't love meat but actually am more fruit and berries loving....prob as a sugar- holic)
I really like the last half of v. 4 ".......for the Lord is able to make them stand"
I know you recently posted a really good commentary on that verse.
But perhaps v. 8 was most meaningful to me, as you are aware I have struggled with death on and off for a long time, so this was an uplifting verse:
v.8 "If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord."
I think that is my application to take away from this passage today....live for the Lord, and know I belong to the Lord whether I live or die.
Oh and not to treat any weak brother or sister with contempt.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 9, 2016 14:29:08 GMT -5
sorry, not a good day physically for me and had to do the bills, will try and get here tomorrow for you. Check your other thread about how you know you're saved as I posted in it for you yesterday.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 10, 2016 14:44:44 GMT -5
12/10/16
Romans 14: 13-23
v. 17 is a good verse for me to remember when disputes about what diet is the best
v.17 "17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, "
An application for me is:
v. 22 "So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God."
And the last half of v.23 is something for me
v.23 ".....everything that does not come from faith is sin."
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Post by fearnot on Dec 11, 2016 12:07:47 GMT -5
12/11/16
Romans 15: 1-13
We are to encourage and build up those who are weak, with endurance, so that we may glorify God.
v.4 "...everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope."
To accept others and have a servants heart is my application.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 12, 2016 11:10:26 GMT -5
Bummer I can't remember...oh well, I imagine there will be more at some point.
12/8/14
Romans 13:8-14
Love Fulfills the Law
What a wonderful 'law'....so much better than trying to keep a thousand of washings, fastings etc. etc. ( not that they are all bad)...
The Day Is Near
Several applications to choose from like for example:
v.12 ".....put aside the deeds of darkness
and
put on the armor of light"
v.14 ".....clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh."12/9/16
Romans 14: 1-13
The Weak and the Strong
I immediately thought of me and you when I saw that ( of course not physically but in the Lord, in terms of reading and studying the Word ( the Bible) etc. etc. etc.
And don't you know verse one appealed to me LOL
"Accept the one whose faith is weak....."
Just joking....but still...
I also thought v. 2 was interesting....is this about vegetarians?
"whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables....'
I have from time to time been a semi sort of non meat eater ( I don't love meat but actually am more fruit and berries loving....prob as a sugar- holic)
I really like the last half of v. 4 ".......for the Lord is able to make them stand"
I know you recently posted a really good commentary on that verse.
But perhaps v. 8 was most meaningful to me, as you are aware I have struggled with death on and off for a long time, so this was an uplifting verse:
v.8 "If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord."
I think that is my application to take away from this passage today....live for the Lord, and know I belong to the Lord whether I live or die.
Oh and not to treat any weak brother or sister with contempt.
The strong believer, whose mature faith allows him to exercise his freedom in Christ by eating the inexpensive meat sold at the pagan meat markets—inexpensive because a worshiper had first offered it as a sacrifice to a pagan deity (see notes on 1Co 8:1–13). vegetables only. The strict diet weak Jewish & Gentile believers ate to avoid eating meat that was unclean or may have been sacrificed to idols. The MacArthur study Bible
Those are great applications too!
12/10/16
Romans 14: 13-23
v. 17 is a good verse for me to remember when disputes about what diet is the best
v.17 "17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, "
An application for me is:
v. 22 "So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God."
And the last half of v.23 is something for me
v.23 ".....everything that does not come from faith is sin."
Verse 17 is about much more than diets hon. It's about everything in our lives. He's telling us that we need to judge everything by what's important to God, not by what's important to us. So we judge by righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit - in other words, by love, reconciliation, being of one spirit and living at peace with each other. Therefore we don't jump on another believer because her dress is too short, or because he doesn't tithe, or because they got divorced, or because they aren't helping out in church projects or something like that enough. What's important is that we love each other and help each other grow in faith and love, and that we not do or say anything that would cause another person to sin against their conscience.
For example, I can remember times on FH in the past when people got very upset about the Harry Potter books and were saying they were demonic and no christian should read them etc. Others were saying there was nothing wrong with reading them as long as you knew the truth, because they were just fiction, etc. It became very, very divisive and became sin because of that. Instead of encouraging and helping each other, all that thread did was divide Christians and cause strife between them. Neither side was willing to give an inch as both wanted to be "right" more than they wanted to be peacemakers and lovingly help others. Now, you know what I believe about books like that so I hope you know too that I'm not saying that anyone should have said that there was nothing wrong with reading those books. However, it would have been good if someone had simply said something along the lines that "for those who know the Truth and feel themselves strong enough in their faith to read it without being polluted by it, but for those who were new to the faith, or who didn't feel strongly that they knew God's Word and His Will for them well, then they should stay away from it." While that's not the whole truth, (since we're supposed to guard our minds and hearts) it would be enough to stop the division the thread was causing if the thread were also closed at that point, and prevent the division and strife from growing. We have to trust that God Himself will teach others that they can't keep dumping garbage in their minds and at the same time obey God since putting the garbage in their minds in the first place is being disobedient. In the meantime though, it's worse for them if they feel estranged from their brothers and sisters due to what was said, and because of that strife don't feel like they can talk to their brothers and sisters about what's going on with them anymore and don't continue to grow as they should. See what I mean? The same could be said for many different things. Let me share what Wiersbe says about it:
Christians must have priorities (vv. 16–18). Like the Pharisees of old, we Christians have a way of majoring in the minor (Matt. 23:23–24). I have seen churches divided over matters that were really insignificant when compared with the vital things of the Christian faith. I have heard of churches being split over such minor matters as the location of the piano & the serving of meals on Sundays. “The kingdom of God is not meat and drink” (Rom. 14:17). “But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do” (1 Cor. 8:8) Not the externals, but the eternals must be first in our lives: righteousness, peace, and joy. Where do they come from? The Holy Spirit of God at work in our lives (see Rom. 5:1–2). If each believer would yield to the Spirit and major in a godly life, we would not have Christians fighting with each other over minor matters. Spiritual priorities are essential to harmony in the church.The Bible exposition commentary
12/11/16
Romans 15: 1-13
We are to encourage and build up those who are weak, with endurance, so that we may glorify God.
v.4 "...everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope."
To accept others and have a servants heart is my application.
“For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.” (Romans 15:4)
Then Paul stated a significant principle concerning the purpose and ministry of the Scriptures: For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us (lit., “for our instruction”). The Scriptures serve to give believers endurance (hypomonēs, “steadfastness in the face of adversities”) and encouragement so that they might have hope (pres. tense, “keep on having hope”; cf. Rom. 5:3–5). As Christians learn from the past (what is written in the OT about others who did not please themselves) they are motivated to endure and be comforted in the present, looking ahead in hope (confidence) to the future. The Bible Knowledge Commentary
whatever was written in the past. The divinely revealed OT. written for our instruction. Although Christians live under the New Covenant and are not under the authority of the Old Covenant, God’s moral law has not changed and all Scripture is of spiritual benefit. Paul’s description of the benefits of Scripture certainly includes the NT, but speaks primarily about “the sacred writings”—or the OT (2 Tim 3:15–17). perseverance. This word refers to endurance, and patience, the ability to remain under tremendous weight and pressure without succumbing. encouragement. The Word of God not only informs believers how to endure, but it also encourages them in the process. hope. Unlike the Eng. word “hope,” the NT word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain, but not yet realized. The believer’s ultimate destiny is to share in the very glory of God, and that hope will be realized because Christ Himself secures it. Without the clear and certain promises of the Word of God, the believer has no basis for hope. The MacArthur study Bible
“May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus,” (Romans 15:5)
We can get tired pretty quickly of caring about someone more than we do ourselves. In Romans 15:5–6 Paul is talking about living in harmony with one another, and then he asks for help from “the God who gives endurance and encouragement.” Notice how those two elements—endurance and encouragement—work together. When you’d like to stop trying to reach out to a difficult person, God enables you to endure, to keep on plugging even when things are rocky between you. Your God is a God of encouragement. Your God brings light and joy to your soul as you strive to bring him glory through your relationships. The road of relational harmony is difficult (you will need this God of endurance!), but it’s not bleak because he is an encouraging God. So when you are ready to quit, you need to ask him to encourage you. Let him remind you that because he is for you, no one can be against you (Romans 8:31). Hear from him again that Jesus gave up his life for you, and he fully intends to finish the work he began in you. He has not given up on you, although you know he has every reason to. It’s his encouragement that will move you to repent of your self-focus and give you the desire to try again with others. Heart of the matter
“Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.” (Romans 15:7)
Relationships are not easy. Paul knows this is true even among people who have the Spirit. “Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace” (Ephesians 4:3). Paul says that our relationships with other Christians are not something we should take for granted. He says that we are to maintain—not create—these relationships. If you are a Christian, you automatically are in relationship with other Christians. You are united to one another because you are united to Christ. Because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, you already share a deep bond that has been given to you by grace. Therefore, these relationships are gifts to be managed with great care. I am either being a good or a bad steward of these gifts. If I hinder my relationships with other believers in any way, I am devaluing these relationships. But if I am willing to pursue, forgive, and serve, I demonstrate care for these gifts. Have you ever noticed how distasteful, unsatisfying, and uninteresting relationships suddenly become when they require work? Paul says that we find excitement and satisfaction within the context of hard work. But most of us give up when we decide that the dividend yield is not worth the investment. Sadly, we frequently do the accounting with our personal interests at the center instead of God’s call. Heart of the matter
“May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 15:13)
The Bible explains your hope, and when you go through some crisis, the Holy Spirit empowers you to endure. Your knowledge of Scripture works in combination with the energizing power of the Spirit to sustain you in your darkest hour, enabling you to hold on to your hope. The pillars of Christian character
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Post by fearnot on Dec 12, 2016 15:44:07 GMT -5
Arrrggghhhh I didn't get it....
that I could have ordered that (mystery) book,
and it would have waited somewhere out in cyber-space until I got my Kindle....
I thought I had to be able to read it on my computer....
Strange also the author did not seem to know that either
( seeeeee how smart you are!!!!!!)
Well yes I am sure if I live long enough ( in this life) I will read it....but I may not ever know that it was that mystery book......I don't like mysteries.
Speaking of which, over time Leonard was able to do the DNA thingy......and for his and my personal history....which still is mostly mysteries.
Some official documents name my biological mom and dad as my parents....
Some just my mom
And yesterday Leonard received a 'hint'.....I think that may be when someone from my tree adds something....
Well the funny thing was they listed my bio mom as my 'aunt'.....
that is definitely not true ( all official documents have her as my bio mom.
my adopted mom had her to our home....as my bio mom etc.
I remember her visiting me in other foster homes, before my adopted home.
But the reason I mention it, was that whoever added the new info....either didn't know about me....exactly.....or that I had been adopted etc. etc.
My bio mom only had a brother no sister.
I have never met any of my bio relatives except my mom ( a few times....she died years ago now of course).
But that was just part of the ongoing mysteries.
My adopted mom knew the woman in government records in our small new England town and therefore was able to get a 'birth cert' saying she and my adopted dad were my 'real' parents LOL
That's why when the Obama 'birther' controversy came up...I was not so sure that it was a 'conspiracy', knowing I in fact have 2 entirely different birth certs.
Which brings me to the question you ask...
I was thinking I prob shouldn't get into discussions with folks about diets, and politics and the like...
because they often cause hard feelings,
and do not help show the love of Jesus.
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Post by fearnot on Dec 12, 2016 15:57:43 GMT -5
12/12/16
Romans 13: 14-33
Paul the Minister to the Gentiles
The Jews/Christians of Macedonia and Achaia had a contribution for the poor of the Lord’s people in Jerusalem.
Paul makes an interesting statement when He says
v.27 "..... For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings."
and yet another interesting thing to me is Paul asks for prayers and in part he asks them to
v. 30 to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me.
v. 31 Pray that I may be kept safe from the unbelievers...."
For me the application is to consider others more in my prayers...groups like 'the Jews' for example, as well as individuals, who may need protection among other things.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 13, 2016 12:14:26 GMT -5
Arrrggghhhh I didn't get it....
that I could have ordered that (mystery) book,
and it would have waited somewhere out in cyber-space until I got my Kindle....
I thought I had to be able to read it on my computer....
Strange also the author did not seem to know that either
( seeeeee how smart you are!!!!!!)
Well yes I am sure if I live long enough ( in this life) I will read it....but I may not ever know that it was that mystery book......I don't like mysteries.
Speaking of which, over time Leonard was able to do the DNA thingy......and for his and my personal history....which still is mostly mysteries.
Some official documents name my biological mom and dad as my parents....
Some just my mom
And yesterday Leonard received a 'hint'.....I think that may be when someone from my tree adds something....
Well the funny thing was they listed my bio mom as my 'aunt'.....
that is definitely not true ( all official documents have her as my bio mom.
my adopted mom had her to our home....as my bio mom etc.
I remember her visiting me in other foster homes, before my adopted home.
But the reason I mention it, was that whoever added the new info....either didn't know about me....exactly.....or that I had been adopted etc. etc.
My bio mom only had a brother no sister.
I have never met any of my bio relatives except my mom ( a few times....she died years ago now of course).
But that was just part of the ongoing mysteries.
My adopted mom knew the woman in government records in our small new England town and therefore was able to get a 'birth cert' saying she and my adopted dad were my 'real' parents LOL
That's why when the Obama 'birther' controversy came up...I was not so sure that it was a 'conspiracy', knowing I in fact have 2 entirely different birth certs.
Which brings me to the question you ask...
I was thinking I prob shouldn't get into discussions with folks about diets, and politics and the like...
because they often cause hard feelings,
and do not help show the love of Jesus. 12/12/16
Romans 13: 14-33
Paul the Minister to the Gentiles
The Jews/Christians of Macedonia and Achaia had a contribution for the poor of the Lord’s people in Jerusalem.
Paul makes an interesting statement when He says
v.27 "..... For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings."
and yet another interesting thing to me is Paul asks for prayers and in part he asks them to
v. 30 to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me.
v. 31 Pray that I may be kept safe from the unbelievers...."
For me the application is to consider others more in my prayers...groups like 'the Jews' for example, as well as individuals, who may need protection among other things.
I've noticed over the years how the Lord has changed my opinion about any number of things to bring them in line with His Word. Even things I didn't want to have changed LOL, but eventually, I'd have to admit that His Word said one thing even though I'd heard it said something else and wanted to believe that something else. For example, many years ago I would have never thought twice about whether or not someone should marry an unbeliever. People do it all the time and it's no big deal I thought. Sure, it's easier if they marry a believer, but marrying an unbeliever can be good too. But now, there's no way I would ever suggest or condone someone marrying an unbeliever. Instead I would counsel them against it. Not only that, but I would let them know that even if the person tells them they "believe", that's not enough. They need to see the fruit of that persons belief's before they agree to marry them. That's the only way they can know if the person is truly a godly person or not. Once the Lord pointed out to me that not marrying an unbeliever was not a suggestion but a command, it changed my whole outlook and I immediately began to see all the problems people face when they marry and unbeliever anyway. Or even if the person is saved, but doesn't live like it, it amounts to the same thing. Same thing with divorce. I always knew it was wrong but I also knew that God had given us reasons that we could divorce someone if we needed to and I used to look for loopholes I guess you could say LOL. Like a lot of women I couldn't believe that God would want us to stay in a really bad marriage. Not anymore though. Now I understand it from God's point of view instead of mine and realize that He really does hate divorce and would rather that people never divorced for any reason, but does give us the out for unfaithfulness. There's been lots of different things that God has led me to finally see things His way instead of my way about. it amazes me now how many ways we try and make God's Word say what we want it too instead of what He wants it to.
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fearnot
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Post by fearnot on Dec 13, 2016 13:30:43 GMT -5
I can totally relate....especially as I have never study the Word anywhere near like you....so wanting or thinking the Bible says something it does not is even easier when you are not really sure ( and have not compared scripture with scripture etc.
But yes, that is really interesting how most Christians are 'good' friends with unbelievers.
For example, I have heard this several times in my life.....it goes something like
It fine to believe in 'god' and read the 'bible.....so long as you are not 'fanatic!!!!
So yesterday, one of the tenants here that we are friendly with, was sort of complaining to me about his boss.
Of course, I stupidly asked what was the problem ( I know I encouraged gossip)
Anyway, he replied: well he drives me crazy!!! all he knows and all he can talk about is politics and/or Christianity.
My neighbor said he was fine with those topics.......to a degree, but he himself is not so limited, and thus his boss is a really bother to him.
I almost felt my neighbor was talking about me as well tho I do talk to him about the birds, garden, grandchildren ( he lives in the apt above our daughter and grandchildren etc.
But when he emails me something about politics I usually do manage to weave in something biblical ( for example if he sends me something about the New World Order....then I might mention how that reminds me that in the future the bible says there will be ..........and so on.
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fearnot
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Post by fearnot on Dec 13, 2016 13:41:13 GMT -5
12/13/16
Romans 16: 1-15
(sorry that was a typo the other day :-(
Personal Greetings
What is interesting is how much praise Paul gives them, including several woman ( unlike the woman's lib insistence that Paul was a chauvinist)
I found it interesting that:
v.7 "...Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among[ the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was"
The application for me is to help as much as possible those brothers and sisters in the Lord as I can.
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