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Post by fearnot on Jun 13, 2016 16:56:26 GMT -5
Today Monday June 13th
I read Mark 15:43-72
Jesus is arrested, and goes before the Sanhedrin.
I guess we can learn from the Lord, that there are times, when we don't have to answer those who are not really asking for truth.
And then there was Peter's denial of knowing Jesus 3 times.
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Post by Cindy on Jun 14, 2016 10:14:34 GMT -5
I thought I'd quote my reply here too since we're on a new page now.Thank you as always Cindy, I guess the reason I thought the religious leaders were all there ( and should have recognized Jesus) was when it said that Peter cut of the ear of the servant of the high priest.
Today Friday June 10th
I read Mark 14:66-72
This is about Peter denial that he knows Jesus 3 times.
Since I have a super cowardly nature
( especially concerning excruciating pain, such as having huge nails being hammered into my wrists and feet and hanging on a cross....which I assume peter was afraid would be his lot, if he admitted knowing Jesus)......
I can't say, that I too wouldn't have done exactly as Peter did, in fact, unless the Holy Spirit enabled me to have courage, I would have done the same and would have felt forever horrible about it.
Sorry I wasn't here over the weekend. My back got really, really bad and I just couldn't do much of anything at all.Hey guys! I have my computer back :) I have studied from Luke chapter 10 to Luke 13 Starting Luke chapter 10:4 Jesus pointed out how important is to trust God and then on 10:13-16 it is important that He said about the Jews and that they will face Gods wrath because they didnt accept the Messiah. In chapter 11 when I read again about how we should pray I understood better what God was trying to teach all of us. Ask for God's will first and all of the other things will be add to you. Do not worry, dont ask for things you dont need , and forgive people around you just like our Lord died on the cross for our sins even though we did not deserve it. These past days I try to focus on this even more and try to concentrate more on how I should pray. I am not sure about 11:31, about the queen of the south, I am not sure if I have asked about this again on the previous books, I really dont remember. Luke 12:31 , one of the most important verses of the Bible! I want to discuss with you about 32-34. The Lord said sell everything, give your money to the poor. But we earn and use money for our every day needs, some of use have a house and dont rent one, also some have a car. How about this? I mean , we do have things...
All of Luke 11:29–32 is showing how people in the past had believed without any miracles or signs and done right but that Israel who had more knowledge, and who had seen many of our Lord's miracles and signs, still was not satisfied and still would not accept Him as their Messiah. Therefore they would be judged and all the people from Israel's past, like the people of Ninevah, and the Queen of Sheba,would stand in judgement against them on the last day. If you want to read the story about the Queen of Sheba, it begins in 1 Kings 10:1 and 2 Chronicles 9:1.
Luke 12:32–34 is not telling us to sell everything, anymore then Matthew 5:30 is telling us to cut off our hands. Jesus is saying to sell everything in order to get our attention and to show us how important it is for us not to make earthly things important in our lives. Instead, the only thing that should be important to us is how much we have in our heavenly account - how much treasure we have built up in heaven for ourselves. Or, another way to say it would be to say, how many rewards will we be getting at the Bema Judgement.
In other words, Jesus is telling us that God will take care of us while we are here on the earth, but that this life is only temporary, and we should not get attached to it. We tend to get everything backwards because we tend to think that this life is very important, because it is all we know. We are like a woman who is pregnant and who thinks that the baby will always be in her womb. She thinks she will always be pregnant and so all she thinks about is looking for more maternity clothes, where she wants to go and what she wants to do next. That's really silly because we know that isn't true. We know that the baby will be born after 9 months. We know that the mother should be thinking about how she is going to care for the baby - she should be buying a crib and baby clothes, and all the things the baby is going to need. Jesus is trying to tell us to stop thinking like the woman who thinks she will always be pregnant, and instead to think like the mother who knows that her baby will soon be born. He says we should be busy getting all the things we are going to need for our real life, when we are born into Heaven. While we are here on earth, God will take care of us, just like He cares for the baby in the mother's womb. But we will want to have lots of treasure ready for us when we are born into Heaven, therefore we should get busy doing all the things that Jesus tells us to do so that we will have lots of treasure in our heavenly account.
How do we get treasure in heaven? How do we earn rewards? We can not earn our salvation, but once we are saved, if we obey God, He will reward us for our obedience to Him. But it is not just about doing things, it's more about our attitude when we do things. If we help someone who is homeless or do any good deed for any reason other than that we want to please the Lord, then we won't get a reward. If we do anything because we want to please our Lord, then we will be rewarded. For example, if I clean my house because I like my house to be clean, or because I have company coming, or because I want to please my husband or mother or anyone, I will not be rewarded by God. But if I clean my house because I want to please my Lord, then He will reward me in heaven. More importantly, if I pray for people that I really don't like and I ask the Lord to change my heart and help me to love them like He does, He will not only help me be like Him here and now, but will also have a reward for me in heaven for obeying Him. As I grow in faith and begin to love those people that I did not like before, and I continue to pray for them and for God to continue to change my heart to be like His, and I show them my love by the things I say and do for them, even though they treat me badly, the Lord will help me here and will have another reward for me in Heaven. If I babysit for someone because they asked me to, or because I love the people who asked me to babysit, I will not earn a reward. But if I babysit for someone and begin to do it because I want to please my Lord in everything I do, then I will earn a reward from God. If I ask the Lord to help me because I use bad language and I know God does not want me to, then the Lord will help me stop using the bad language and since I'm doing it because I love Him and want to please Him, God will have a reward for me. But if I stop using bad language because I know God doesn't want me to talk that way, and I do it just because I think I have to, I will not get a reward.
God rewards us when we obey Him because we love Him.
“So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.” (1 Corinthians 10:31)
“And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.” (Colossians 3:17)
“If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.” (1 Peter 4:11)
“Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man’s reward. And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward.”” (Matthew 10:41–42) No matter what you do, if it is done with the right attitude, you will receive a reward in heaven for it. The Lord loves to give us good gifts, both here and in heaven, and He wants us to know that what we do here in this life, will count toward what we will have in our eternal lives. Luke 12:32–34 is telling us that planning and working toward having a lot of treasure in heaven is what we should be doing in this life, instead of pretending that this life is important - like the woman who thinks she will always be pregnant.
“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.” (1 Timothy 6:10–12)
The temptation for riches is ever present and Timothy was to constantly run from this desire. Instead he was to follow or “to run” after righteousness. This is personal and practical righteous living which brings usefulness and rewards. Not defeated by the snares which he flees, but clothed with this fruit of the Spirit (righteousness, godliness, faith, etc.) he is to Fight the good fight of faith. The word Fight is an athletic term meaning “to engage in a contest.” This contest is the whole life of the believer striving to win “the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus” (Phil 4:13). It is a good fight whereas the fight for money is evil. KJV Bible Commentary
“Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless.” (Ecclesiastes 5:10)
Finally, remember "context". Read again what Jesus said in Luke 12:15–21, and think about how what He said here, applies to Him saying to sell everything....
Eva:
As usual I defer to Cindy, and I can only speculate that maybe Jesus was firstly speaking especially to that young rich person ( not to people who needed basic things like food, a place to live, transportation.).
I am thinking this rich person had way more than basics, and Jesus knew that money/materialism was the young man's 'god'.
Secondly, it might be a problem many people have tho.
I think that the poor often think, if only I had a 'wee' bit more money, life would be better, easier, etc.
Sometimes, they do in fact get a bit more, only to discover, that if they had just a little bit more, all would be well, and on and on it goes.....it is never enough!
But more than that, they are making 'money' their 'god'.
Which makes me wonder, if that ( in part) why so many people will take the mark, because they think with their allegiance to the anti-Christ they will no longer need to worry about having enough money for a 'comfortable' life?
But it would actually be better to starve, without a roof over one's head, than to take the mark of the beast.
I Timothy 6:10 says:
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
It's the loving money, trusting money, making it your 'god' that is the problem, not having money or 'things'.
Matthew 6:19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
Our trust in provision needs to be in God, not in money ( or even in things, which we have to polish, wash, worry about thieves, etc.)
Matthew 6:25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them."
Today Saturday June 11th
I read Mark 15:1-20
Christianity is an enigma in that what is the most horrific event ( Jesus going before the courts, being mocked and tortured, crucified, and death etc), is also our best news.
Today Sunday June 12th
I read Mark 15:21-40
This is about the Crucifixion
But it first mentions the name of a man forced to help Jesus carry the cross.
It's a sort of curious verse:
v.21 " A certain man from Cyrene, Simon, the father of Alexander and Rufus, was passing by on his way in from the country, and they forced him to carry the cross."
It mentions where he was from, his name, his 2 sons name, the fact he was just passing by and that he was forced to help our Lord.
I wonder if he and his sons, became Christians?
V. 31 says:
"In the same way the chief priests and the teachers of the law mocked him among themselves. “He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself!"
They are mocking Jesus, but not knowing they are actually telling a basic truth....Jesus saved and was in the process of saving millions of souls, but in order to save us, He could not save Himself.
Jesus allows Himself to die, and another interesting verse about another person is v.38:
"39 And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how he died,[c] he said, “Surely this man was the Son of God!”
Also, the women were there, watching from a distance. We tend to think of woman as the 'weaker' sex, and indeed in some ways many are, yet it seems like in this case, the men were more cowardly or afraid, and the woman were more steadfast.
“A certain man from Cyrene, Simon, the father of Alexander and Rufus, was passing by on his way in from the country, and they forced him to carry the cross.” (Mark 15:21)
“Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.” (Romans 16:13)
Because Mark mentions both of Simon's son's, and later Rufus and Simon's wife are mentioned as being saved in Roman's, we can know that at some point, Simon and his whole family were saved. It's possible Simon had heard Jesus speak before he carried the cross and may have already been a believer, but if he wasn't, he got saved after the resurrection as did many others. All we can know for sure is that we will find Simon, his wife and sons in Heaven when we get there!
True about the men being more afraid then the women but then they had more reason to be. In those times, women were not looked at the way they are now. They had no say in any legal matters, and therefore could not be prosecuted for anything. Even if the authorities knew that they followed Jesus, it wouldn't matter, because they would simply be looked on as weak woman who couldn't know any better. But the men could be prosecuted for following Jesus and be nailed to a cross just like He was if the authorities discovered that they were His disciples. That's why Jesus made sure that they all escaped when He was arrested. Jesus protected them so that they would live and begin His Church.
You made some good points as always!
Thank you so much Cindy....for explaining about Simon and his wife and son! I had hoped that carrying our Lord's cross, would have saved some or most of his family, it is so good to know that it in fact did!
Also, I didn't know that about woman at that time. I knew, they did not have the same status as men, but I didn't realize they couldn't be prosecuted because of their 'weakness'.
So it makes a bit more sense now as to why only the woman remained steadfast ( tho I can certainly understand why Jesus mother would even so, regardless)!
Oh I forgot to thank you soooo much for your answer to Eva
Especially explaining how we earn our Heavenly rewards....I can see I need to get busy and get a better attitude of doing 'whatever' for the Lord!!
Today Monday June 13th
I read Mark 15:43-72
Jesus is arrested, and goes before the Sanhedrin.
I guess we can learn from the Lord, that there are times, when we don't have to answer those who are not really asking for truth.
And then there was Peter's denial of knowing Jesus 3 times.
Anyway, what strikes me when I read about the trial is that these leaders could not find one single thing they could legally charge our Lord with, so they had to get people to make up false charges against Him. What's amazing about that is that these leaders knew God's Word very well, and they were very good at finding sin in other people's lives and pointing it out to them. It's what they did best. They'd been investigating Jesus and watching Him closely for 3 years by then and yet could not find even one single sin in Him! I'm quite sure they spoke to people who knew Him when He was younger too, and yet they still couldn't come up with a single sin to charge Him with!
You're right about not answering some people. We've talked about that before, how Jesus tells us not to give what is sacred to the dogs or our pearls to pigs. (Matthew 7:6)
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Post by fearnot on Jun 14, 2016 14:37:57 GMT -5
I think it was probably a typo...usually my hands go exactly where they are supposed to.....
And sometimes I am just not careful enough or don't re-read what I wrote. I think therefore there have been times when I have written something like: did when I meant didn't, or was when I meant wasn't etc. etc.
I think I re-read about 1/2 the time, but sometimes when I am running late and know there is a lot to read, or that I want to write etc. I don't re-read and thankfully, you are so kind and smart, you almost always have said: "I think you meant to write -------" and 9 times out of 10 that is exactly right....sometimes of course, I am just plain wrong imagine that sigh!
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Post by fearnot on Jun 14, 2016 14:50:32 GMT -5
Today Tuesday June 14th
I read Mark 16: 1-20
Jesus Resurrection
However, I am not sure what to do with this little message
The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 14, 2016 15:23:53 GMT -5
Thank you guys for your answers :) Thank you Cindy for making clear the verses about queen Sheba and the Jews and that we should focus on things in Heaven and not earthly things. I am moving on Luke chapter 15. I will come up tomorrow and write again about whay I saw in that chapters .
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Post by Cindy on Jun 15, 2016 10:19:25 GMT -5
I think it was probably a typo...usually my hands go exactly where they are supposed to.....
And sometimes I am just not careful enough or don't re-read what I wrote. I think therefore there have been times when I have written something like: did when I meant didn't, or was when I meant wasn't etc. etc.
I think I re-read about 1/2 the time, but sometimes when I am running late and know there is a lot to read, or that I want to write etc. I don't re-read and thankfully, you are so kind and smart, you almost always have said: "I think you meant to write -------" and 9 times out of 10 that is exactly right....sometimes of course, I am just plain wrong imagine that sigh!  Today Tuesday June 14th
I read Mark 16: 1-20
Jesus Resurrection
However, I am not sure what to do with this little message
The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.
Some Scholars think that this is scripture and some don't, but one thing they do agree on is that this is surely something that literally happened just this way in the life of our Lord. So we know it's true, that's why it's included but we're warned not to make any doctrine from just this alone.
This is why there is a problem with the Pentecostals taking these verses, like verse 18 and using them to say they can handle snakes etc without being hurt. History, even recent, shows that they can't do that, which should be more then enough evidence for them to stop saying such things, but they don't. These "signs" seem to be things that actually happened to the apostles, and therefore was meant for them in particular, and not for all christians. But at the same time, any Christian who is really saved and in God's will, and is exposed to a snake or poison or something like that because Satan is trying to get rid of them, God will protect them and cause them to be unaffected by it if it's His Will for them to live. That has happened even since the apostles. However, we're told we should never test God, and when people do what many Pentecostals do and purposely pick up snakes and drink poison, God is not going to protect them and is not obliged to do so.
It's the same with verse 16 that seems to say that people have to be baptized to be saved, but no where else in scripture does it say that baptism is a prerequisite to salvation. If this were true, then the thief on the cross wouldn't have been able to be saved. The lost are condemned for unbelief, not for not being baptized. However, if you read the verse carefully, the emphasis is on belief, not on baptism, and therefore it is consistent with the rest of scripture.
Thank you guys for your answers :) Thank you Cindy for making clear the verses about queen Sheba and the Jews and that we should focus on things in Heaven and not earthly things. I am moving on Luke chapter 15. I will come up tomorrow and write again about whay I saw in that chapters .
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Post by fearnot on Jun 15, 2016 11:14:39 GMT -5
Cindy Oh thank you for your kind response, I wasn't really upset, I was tying to express gratitude to you for your responses when I do make a typo.....
You never jump to the conclusion I've suddenly gone apostate LOL
You always ask or even say, "I am pretty sure you meant to write--------whatever, instead of what I did write.
That was soooo helpful about those verses and also the explanation about picking up snakes and drinking poison
( no thanks to either....I am sorry, I am not a big snake fan (tho I do love most animals...there are a few that I just don't like, and that goes for a lot of insects...except butterflies, honey and bumble bees, lady bugs and that's about it)
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am I big on swallowing poison!! HA!
But seriously, I now understand it....thank you!
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Post by fearnot on Jun 15, 2016 15:34:29 GMT -5
Today June Wednesday 15
I read Ruth 1: 1-5
Verse one tells that there was a famine in Israel but instead of trusting God to provide for his family, Elimelech moves his family to Moab. There is another problem with that, and that is God has called Moab His washpot, this was not a compliment, among other bad thing the people worshiped idols.
And then Elimelech died.
The 2 sons married Moabite women, one of which was Ruth. However, after about 10 years of living there the 2 sons of Naomi and Elimelech, die.
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Post by Cindy on Jun 16, 2016 10:58:10 GMT -5
Cindy Oh thank you for your kind response, I wasn't really upset, I was tying to express gratitude to you for your responses when I do make a typo.....
You never jump to the conclusion I've suddenly gone apostate LOL
You always ask or even say, "I am pretty sure you meant to write--------whatever, instead of what I did write.
That was soooo helpful about those verses and also the explanation about picking up snakes and drinking poison
( no thanks to either....I am sorry, I am not a big snake fan (tho I do love most animals...there are a few that I just don't like, and that goes for a lot of insects...except butterflies, honey and bumble bees, lady bugs and that's about it)
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am I big on swallowing poison!! HA!
But seriously, I now understand it....thank you!
Today June Wednesday 15
I read Ruth 1: 1-5
Verse one tells that there was a famine in Israel but instead of trusting God to provide for his family, Elimelech moves his family to Moab. There is another problem with that, and that is God has called Moab His washpot, this was not a compliment, among other bad thing the people worshiped idols.
And then Elimelech died.
The 2 sons married Moabite women, one of which was Ruth. However, after about 10 years of living there the 2 sons of Naomi and Elimelech, die.
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Post by fearnot on Jun 16, 2016 14:54:47 GMT -5
Cindy: I hadn't exactly realized it like that...the irony, that they left hoping to avoid the death famine would bring, and instead, the 3 males ended up dying!
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Post by fearnot on Jun 16, 2016 15:11:25 GMT -5
Today Thursday June 16th
I read Ruth 1:6:22
After her husband and 3 sons died, Naomi, decides to return back to the land of Judah.
Knowing that her daughter-in-laws would be ostracized and would not be able to find husbands in order to remarry, she tells them to go back to their families in Moab.
Both daughter-in-laws wept... but Orpah ( who apparently was not interested in the true God, in fact, took Naomi's advise and went back.
However, Ruth gives one of the most beautiful statements of faith and says to Naomi:
V.16 "..... “Don’t urge me to leave you or to turn back from you.
Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay.
Your people will be my people and your God my God.
17 Where you die I will die, and there I will be buried. May the Lord deal with me, be it ever so severely, if even death separates you and me.”
What both Naomi and Ruth think is that even tho Ruth is a young woman, she is agreeing to be a widow the rest of her life, ostracized all of her life, etc. but because she loves the Lord, ( and she also loves her mother-in-law), she is willing to make such sacrifices.
This is very encouraging to me, living in today's world. I am very glad, God gave us the example of Ruth.
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Post by Cindy on Jun 17, 2016 11:57:04 GMT -5
Cindy: I hadn't exactly realized it like that...the irony, that they left hoping to avoid the death famine would bring, and instead, the 3 males ended up dying! Today Thursday June 16th
I read Ruth 1:6:22
After her husband and 3 sons died, Naomi, decides to return back to the land of Judah.
Knowing that her daughter-in-laws would be ostracized and would not be able to find husbands in order to remarry, she tells them to go back to their families in Moab.
Both daughter-in-laws wept... but Orpah ( who apparently was not interested in the true God, in fact, took Naomi's advise and went back.
However, Ruth gives one of the most beautiful statements of faith and says to Naomi:
V.16 "..... “Don’t urge me to leave you or to turn back from you.
Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay.
Your people will be my people and your God my God.
17 Where you die I will die, and there I will be buried. May the Lord deal with me, be it ever so severely, if even death separates you and me.”
What both Naomi and Ruth think is that even tho Ruth is a young woman, she is agreeing to be a widow the rest of her life, ostracized all of her life, etc. but because she loves the Lord, ( and she also loves her mother-in-law), she is willing to make such sacrifices.
This is very encouraging to me, living in today's world. I am very glad, God gave us the example of Ruth.
In the first 5 verses we see the family running away from her problems, which never works. They were walking by sight and not by faith. The husband took them out of God's Will when they left Bethlehem for Moab and then the sons disobeyed the Lord when they married Moabite women since God had expressly forbidden it.
It's possible that Naomi didn't want the girls to go to Bethlehem with her because they would be proof that her sons had sinned by marrying them and breaking the law of Moses. So, in effect, she was doing what we all do, trying to cover up her sins. Whenever we do that, it's proof we haven't faced them honestly, and we can see that in Naomi's words and how full of bitterness and self pity she was. It's really amazing how merciful God is, because in spite of the bad examples, Naomi's bitterness, and the sins, somehow Ruth had come to know Israel's God and she wasn't about to stay in Moab.
I thought this was interesting too: A trip from Moab (at least 60–75 mi.) would have taken about 7–10 days. Having descended about 4,500 ft. from Moab into the Jordan Valley, they then ascended 3,750 ft. through the hills of Judea. The MacArthur study Bible
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 17, 2016 15:32:29 GMT -5
Hey guys :) I managed to finish Luke 19
Sorry for not writing much about what I have studied.
I will share my thoughts with you soon, I promise.
Its a really hard week...
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Post by fearnot on Jun 17, 2016 18:03:28 GMT -5
yes I agree Naomi did what so many people do, after she and her husband made a bad sinful choice and then discovered they had got out from under god's protection and there were consequences, she blames God.
Aha! I never thought about the fact that Naomi might have wanted the girls to stay in Moab so her friends wouldn't see how her sons had sinned by marrying Moabite women!
I just realized, apparently some or even a lot of folks stayed and didn't die cuz of the famine, because they recognized Naomi 10 years later.
I wondered why Naomi would tell the girls to stay, because like you said,, that would be encouraging them to go to Hell ( Didn't Moabites worship all sorts of idols, maybe even Molech or Baal?
Thanks so much for the info on the geography ( the height of the 2 mts and the distance and travel time....I had no idea)
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Post by fearnot on Jun 17, 2016 18:21:52 GMT -5
Today Friday 17th,
I read Ruth: 2: 1-12
The last verse of Ruth 1 says that it was time of the barley harvest, which was a blessing because as a gleaner, Ruth could get some food for she and Naomi.
I was a little concerned again, because when Ruth asks Naomi if she can go into the fields to pick the left over grain, Naomi gives her permission.
The reason i had some concern is because Naomi already knew that it could be dangerous for Ruth ( which I know from reading this in the past).
I suppose Naomi figured it was the only way they could get something to eat, but I guess I wonder if her pride was somewhat involved that she did not steer Ruth to the kinsman redeemers land?
However, God saw to it that Ruth ended up on his farm even so.
I am guessing Ruth may have been quite pretty, but even more so, she had already earned a 'beautiful' reputation:
v. 11 Boaz replied, “I’ve been told all about what you have done for your mother-in-law since the death of your husband—how you left your father and mother and your homeland and came to live with a people you did not know before.
12 May the Lord repay you for what you have done. May you be richly rewarded by the Lord, the God of Israel, under whose wings you have come to take refuge.”
This is another example for us, to concentrate more on inward Godly beauty. It is not that we should wash, comb our hair, etc. but the world tells woman that their outward appearance is paramount the most important thing, and God wants us to be primarily beautiful on the inside, so that by that, beauty, people will know we have been with Jesus.
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Post by fearnot on Jun 18, 2016 13:44:44 GMT -5
Today Sat. 18th,
I read Ruth: 2: 13-22
V.20 says: "..........“That man (Boaz, who owns the field Ruth is gleaning in) is our close relative; he is one of our guardian-redeemers."
I think Boaz is a type or symbol of our future kinsman redeemer, Jesus.
Boaz invites Ruth to eat lunch with him, tells his men to deliberately leave extra for her to glean ( he provides for her), tells her to stay in his field ( protects her) etc.,
all things Jesus does ( but as God) for us.
This is the verse tho that made me wonder a wee bit about Naomi ( she must have known about Boaz?), yet she had let Ruth go to glean without ever telling her:
v. 22 "Naomi said to Ruth her daughter-in-law, “It will be good for you, my daughter, to go with the women who work for him,
because in someone else’s field you might be harmed.”
It seems Naomi knew ahead of time, that being harmed was a real possibility for Ruth, and she knew who Boaz was ( a near relative)....
I don't understand why she didn't direct Ruth to Boaz's farm ( didn't she know where it was?)
And Boaz had heard how kind Ruth was to Naomi......
I understand Naomi and Ruth had to eat, so Ruth had to go glean, but it just seems strange, that she let 'chance' reign...or perhaps she was trusting God to lead Ruth to Boaz's farm.
Of course, it seems Boaz had already heard about Ruth and Naomi, and he had not stopped by to see his near relative, so maybe Naomi, wasn't sure he wanted anything to do with her, and her Moabite daughter-in-law ( tho he had heard good things about Ruth)?
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Post by fearnot on Jun 19, 2016 13:17:29 GMT -5
Today Sunday 19th
I read Ruth ch.3: 1-5
This passage seems a little odd to people of our time. Oh we are not surprised any more that unmarried people 'sleep' together ( nor even that would go on in biblical times....like David and Bathsheba).
But I know this is not really what is going on in this case, besides the first clue is it would be unusal for your mother-in-law to tell you do something like go 'sleep' with so in so....no matter what age.
Besides, there were lots of other folks there which is a 2nd clue that this is above board. It seems more like its a party/celebration camp out with everybody sleeping close to each other.
This appears to be more like a Sadie Hawkings way for Ruth to clue Boaz into the fact, she likes him and would like him to propose to her.
It's sort of funny, Naomi is playing the role of match maker and coaches Ruth in how to capture Boaz's attention even more than it already is. She tells her to bath, put on nice perfume and her best dress. I guess there are times when the Lord will okay female primping? LOL
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Post by Cindy on Jun 20, 2016 10:57:40 GMT -5
Been rough the last couple of days so I'll be back tomorrow; call me if you need me, I can talk, just not up to typing....
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Post by fearnot on Jun 20, 2016 11:27:55 GMT -5
I am so sorry to hear that, will pray for you. Take your time.
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Post by fearnot on Jun 20, 2016 15:12:17 GMT -5
Today Monday 20th
I read Ruth ch.3: 6:7-13
So Ruth does as Naomi encouraged her, and when Boaz discovers her, he seems thrilled. apparently he was at least somewhat older because one of the things he says to Ruth is:
v.10 " .....You have not run after the younger men..."
And once again Boaz comments on the good reputation Ruth has gained:
v. 11 "All the people of my town know that you are a woman of noble character."
However, there is a complication, there is another man who is an even closer kinsman. ( maybe this is part of the reason, Naomi didn't tell Ruth to glean in Boaz's farm? )
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Post by Cindy on Jun 21, 2016 11:03:10 GMT -5
Hey guys :) I managed to finish Luke 19 Sorry for not writing much about what I have studied. I will share my thoughts with you soon, I promise. Its a really hard week...  yes I agree Naomi did what so many people do, after she and her husband made a bad sinful choice and then discovered they had got out from under god's protection and there were consequences, she blames God.
Aha! I never thought about the fact that Naomi might have wanted the girls to stay in Moab so her friends wouldn't see how her sons had sinned by marrying Moabite women!
I just realized, apparently some or even a lot of folks stayed and didn't die cuz of the famine, because they recognized Naomi 10 years later.
I wondered why Naomi would tell the girls to stay, because like you said,, that would be encouraging them to go to Hell ( Didn't Moabites worship all sorts of idols, maybe even Molech or Baal?
Thanks so much for the info on the geography ( the height of the 2 mts and the distance and travel time....I had no idea) Today Friday 17th,
I read Ruth: 2: 1-12
The last verse of Ruth 1 says that it was time of the barley harvest, which was a blessing because as a gleaner, Ruth could get some food for she and Naomi.
I was a little concerned again, because when Ruth asks Naomi if she can go into the fields to pick the left over grain, Naomi gives her permission.
The reason i had some concern is because Naomi already knew that it could be dangerous for Ruth ( which I know from reading this in the past).
I suppose Naomi figured it was the only way they could get something to eat, but I guess I wonder if her pride was somewhat involved that she did not steer Ruth to the kinsman redeemers land?
However, God saw to it that Ruth ended up on his farm even so.
I am guessing Ruth may have been quite pretty, but even more so, she had already earned a 'beautiful' reputation:
v. 11 Boaz replied, “I’ve been told all about what you have done for your mother-in-law since the death of your husband—how you left your father and mother and your homeland and came to live with a people you did not know before.
12 May the Lord repay you for what you have done. May you be richly rewarded by the Lord, the God of Israel, under whose wings you have come to take refuge.”
This is another example for us, to concentrate more on inward Godly beauty. It is not that we should wash, comb our hair, etc. but the world tells woman that their outward appearance is paramount the most important thing, and God wants us to be primarily beautiful on the inside, so that by that, beauty, people will know we have been with Jesus. Today Sat. 18th,
I read Ruth: 2: 13-22
V.20 says: "..........“That man (Boaz, who owns the field Ruth is gleaning in) is our close relative; he is one of our guardian-redeemers."
I think Boaz is a type or symbol of our future kinsman redeemer, Jesus.
Boaz invites Ruth to eat lunch with him, tells his men to deliberately leave extra for her to glean ( he provides for her), tells her to stay in his field ( protects her) etc.,
all things Jesus does ( but as God) for us.
This is the verse tho that made me wonder a wee bit about Naomi ( she must have known about Boaz?), yet she had let Ruth go to glean without ever telling her:
v. 22 "Naomi said to Ruth her daughter-in-law, “It will be good for you, my daughter, to go with the women who work for him,
because in someone else’s field you might be harmed.”
It seems Naomi knew ahead of time, that being harmed was a real possibility for Ruth, and she knew who Boaz was ( a near relative)....
I don't understand why she didn't direct Ruth to Boaz's farm ( didn't she know where it was?)
And Boaz had heard how kind Ruth was to Naomi......
I understand Naomi and Ruth had to eat, so Ruth had to go glean, but it just seems strange, that she let 'chance' reign...or perhaps she was trusting God to lead Ruth to Boaz's farm.
Of course, it seems Boaz had already heard about Ruth and Naomi, and he had not stopped by to see his near relative, so maybe Naomi, wasn't sure he wanted anything to do with her, and her Moabite daughter-in-law ( tho he had heard good things about Ruth)?
Today Sunday 19th
I read Ruth ch.3: 1-5
This passage seems a little odd to people of our time. Oh we are not surprised any more that unmarried people 'sleep' together ( nor even that would go on in biblical times....like David and Bathsheba).
But I know this is not really what is going on in this case, besides the first clue is it would be unusal for your mother-in-law to tell you do something like go 'sleep' with so in so....no matter what age.
Besides, there were lots of other folks there which is a 2nd clue that this is above board. It seems more like its a party/celebration camp out with everybody sleeping close to each other.
This appears to be more like a Sadie Hawkings way for Ruth to clue Boaz into the fact, she likes him and would like him to propose to her.
It's sort of funny, Naomi is playing the role of match maker and coaches Ruth in how to capture Boaz's attention even more than it already is. She tells her to bath, put on nice perfume and her best dress. I guess there are times when the Lord will okay female primping? LOL I am so sorry to hear that, will pray for you. Take your time. Today Monday 20th
I read Ruth ch.3: 6:7-13
So Ruth does as Naomi encouraged her, and when Boaz discovers her, he seems thrilled. apparently he was at least somewhat older because one of the things he says to Ruth is:
v.10 " .....You have not run after the younger men..."
And once again Boaz comments on the good reputation Ruth has gained:
v. 11 "All the people of my town know that you are a woman of noble character."
However, there is a complication, there is another man who is an even closer kinsman. ( maybe this is part of the reason, Naomi didn't tell Ruth to glean in Boaz's farm? )
I'm so glad you're reading Ruth, it's been nice getting to hear about it from you!
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Post by fearnot on Jun 21, 2016 11:39:38 GMT -5
It nice to read a 'love' story' ( although, all believers have an even better love story to tell, about how Jesus pursued them and loved them to Him and how he provided, protected etc. them).
But in our times right now, we don't hear many sweet love stories, so reading Ruth is such a nice change!
Thank you for explaining that Naomi was depressed ( wanting to die even) and so wasn't really looking out for Ruth ( at least not at first) the way she should! that helped explain why she didn't clue Ruth in.
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Post by fearnot on Jun 21, 2016 11:49:28 GMT -5
Today Tuesday 21th
I read Ruth ch.3: 14-18
So Boaz is anxious to settle the situation ( hoping to marry Ruth).
Before she leaves he gives he a lot of barley....continuing to care for her.
Naomi tells Ruth, he will settle it before the day is over!
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 21, 2016 15:42:13 GMT -5
Hey guys :)
I finished Luke 21, and I believe I will end the book by tommorow.
I have a lot to write on the chapters I studied, but its almost midnight here.
So tomorrow, I have a day off work, and I will come back with my comments :)
I love you guys :)
Goodnight
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 22, 2016 13:09:47 GMT -5
Hello guys!
Lets see some things I studied this period.
Chapter 14:15-25
As far as I remember from Matthew that I saw this again. Jesus was talking about the fact that He called the gentiles to form the church because the Jews didnt accept Him, right?
In the whole chapter 15 Jesus talks about how precious is each one of us, every single person, and that He provides everything we need to us to know Him and be saved, and then its up to our decision. Will we follow Him, or not?
I believe I am not sure about the meaning of the fist part of chapter 16, 16:1-13
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 22, 2016 13:30:09 GMT -5
In 15:19-31 I wondered this... Do the people in hell indeed watch people in Heaven from distance?
Luke 17, I remember we talked before about the similar chapter that is in Matthew. In Luke 17:34-36 Jesus were not talking about the rapture, as some think , but about the Second coming. It amazes me that after the rapture, and after all things that would happen then, people would not worry about what is happening and why, and they will just continue their lives and their everyday routine like nothing is happening... !
Luke 18. Jesus is focusing on how we should pray. We should faithfully ask and He will provide for us (as long we ask for something according to His will) and we have to know also that we are sinners and He does not provide for us because we are "good" or we "deserve it" but because He loves us. We have to be humble just like kids, and we should not seek material things and earthly possesions
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Post by evafromgreece on Jun 22, 2016 13:44:05 GMT -5
In Luke 19:11-27 Jesus is talking about how we should use arou blessings to bring fruit, right? But how do we know if we are using or blessings in a good way or not in our everyday lives?
Again on Luke 21 the Lord was talking about what will happen after the church is gone from the earth, if I am not mistaken. And people that would believe to Him after would be in trouble on earth because of the devil and his followers, right?
In chapter 22:24-30 it amazes me that the disciples were talking about "who is above of the others" , just some minutes after the Lord told them that someone will betray Him and lead Him to die.
I am moving to 23
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Post by fearnot on Jun 22, 2016 14:59:46 GMT -5
Hi Eva:
I think you asked some good questions, I will be very interested in seeing what Cindy has to say!! :-)
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Post by fearnot on Jun 22, 2016 15:11:28 GMT -5
Today, Wednesday, the 22nd
I read Ruth: 4:1-12
We get to see the 'court house' drama as Boaz negotiates with the other kinsman redeemer.
I am not exactly sure how or why, if he had accepted being Naomi's redeemer, and had a child with Ruth it would have jeopardized his child inheritance?
Wouldn't Ruth's child or children, have just inherited Naomi's land?
Wouldn't the father have been able to give his land and/or things to which ever child he decided to?
In any case, once he discovered he would have to also accept Ruth, he passed on being kinsman redeemer (They had a weird way of sealing the deal by giving the man a shoe or sandal)....
and Boaz was free to marry Ruth, which he did.
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Post by Cindy on Jun 23, 2016 12:33:30 GMT -5
It nice to read a 'love' story' ( although, all believers have an even better love story to tell, about how Jesus pursued them and loved them to Him and how he provided, protected etc. them).
But in our times right now, we don't hear many sweet love stories, so reading Ruth is such a nice change!
Thank you for explaining that Naomi was depressed ( wanting to die even) and so wasn't really looking out for Ruth ( at least not at first) the way she should! that helped explain why she didn't clue Ruth in. Today Tuesday 21th
I read Ruth ch.3: 14-18
So Boaz is anxious to settle the situation ( hoping to marry Ruth).
Before she leaves he gives he a lot of barley....continuing to care for her.
Naomi tells Ruth, he will settle it before the day is over!
Hey guys :) I finished Luke 21, and I believe I will end the book by tommorow. I have a lot to write on the chapters I studied, but its almost midnight here. So tomorrow, I have a day off work, and I will come back with my comments :) I love you guys :) Goodnight  Eva, have you lost interest in the tribulation thread or did you just forget about it?Hello guys! Lets see some things I studied this period. Chapter 14:15-25 As far as I remember from Matthew that I saw this again. Jesus was talking about the fact that He called the gentiles to form the church because the Jews didnt accept Him, right? In the whole chapter 15 Jesus talks about how precious is each one of us, every single person, and that He provides everything we need to us to know Him and be saved, and then its up to our decision. Will we follow Him, or not? I believe I am not sure about the meaning of the fist part of chapter 16, 16:1-13
The Parable of the Shrewd Manager in Luke 16 can be hard to understand. It was for me for a long time. The main purpose of telling this story was to teach people that it is wise to prepare in advance for the judgment to come. Everything we have is given to us by God. All our money, all our possessions, everything, including our talents and abilities and even our intelligence. Remember when God created Adam, He told Adam that man's job was to be the steward of the earth, to care for the earth and all that was on it. In other words, the earth did not belong to Adam, and it does not belong to us. It belongs to God for He created it. Because all that we are and all that we have is also given to us by God, it does not really belong to us, it belongs to God. He gives it to us so that we will make good use of it and bring glory to Him. We are God's stewards and He expects us to use our money for things that will bring glory to Him, not things that we selfishly want for ourselves, not so we can store up a bunch of money for ourselves and have more then we need. Everything we have is to be used for Him because it belongs to Him and that is our job. Like my computer, my phone, my TV, everything, should only be used to bring glory to God.
In the story Jesus told, the manager forgot that he was just the steward of the money and that it did not really belong to him and he wasted some of his master's money. (just like we do all the time) Jesus showed that one day we will have to answer for the way we have used what God has given us, just as the steward in his story had to answer to his master. In the story, when the steward realized that he had sinned and that he was in trouble because of it, he quickly began to make plans that would cause people to want to help him. The way he did this was dishonest because he caused his master to lose even more money by what he did. But by doing that, he made those men like him so that when he got fired from his job, they would help him. So he used his master's money to buy earthly friends.
Jesus is NOT telling us to be dishonest! He would never do that. In fact, He called him "unrighteous". What He is telling us is to remember that we will be judged for what we do with the money and things the Lord has given us and that we should therefore use what we have to make friends that will want to help us on that day. The only way we can do that is by telling others about Jesus and by using what we have to help others so they will want to know our Lord. That way when it's time for judgment, they will be in heaven to welcome us.
So we are to invest our money, possessions and time in such a way that we cause people to want to know Jesus because we are so good and kind and helpful to them. When they needed something we gave it to them. If they needed money, even if we did not have enough for ourselves, we gave it to them, if they needed food, we gave it to them, and we always did so with a smile and with love, and with no fear for our own future (because we know God will take care of us). That will cause them to want to know how we could live like that, and when they ask us, we tell them about Jesus.
Jesus only used the unrighteous man to show that even the most wicked people of this world are smart enough to provide for the future, and teach us that believers should be even smarter, because we know that our life does not end here on earth and that we have an eternity to plan ahead for. This is how we earn treasure in heaven.
In 15:19-31 I wondered this... Do the people in hell indeed watch people in Heaven from distance? Luke 17, I remember we talked before about the similar chapter that is in Matthew. In Luke 17:34-36 Jesus were not talking about the rapture, as some think , but about the Second coming. It amazes me that after the rapture, and after all things that would happen then, people would not worry about what is happening and why, and they will just continue their lives and their everyday routine like nothing is happening... ! Luke 18. Jesus is focusing on how we should pray. We should faithfully ask and He will provide for us (as long we ask for something according to His will) and we have to know also that we are sinners and He does not provide for us because we are "good" or we "deserve it" but because He loves us. We have to be humble just like kids, and we should not seek material things and earthly possesions
Yes, Luke 17 is about the second coming. That is amazing, isn't it?Jesus does not tell us that we should not seek material things, in fact, He tells us it's ok to ask for things we need or want. We just need to understand that we are not to make them the most important thing in our lives. In Luke 19:11-27 Jesus is talking about how we should use arou blessings to bring fruit, right? But how do we know if we are using or blessings in a good way or not in our everyday lives? Again on Luke 21 the Lord was talking about what will happen after the church is gone from the earth, if I am not mistaken. And people that would believe to Him after would be in trouble on earth because of the devil and his followers, right? In chapter 22:24-30 it amazes me that the disciples were talking about "who is above of the others" , just some minutes after the Lord told them that someone will betray Him and lead Him to die. I am moving to 23
This is where it gets confusing. Obviously, we know that the disciples did not live long enough to see His second coming. So they are in heaven now as are many other Christians who did the work Jesus gave them to do. After the rapture, all believers will receive their rewards for having done the work God gave us to do. Depending on how well we did the works He gave us, we will either receive rewards or if we did not do well, we will not receive any rewards. Part of that reward that we will all receive is that we will return to the earth with Jesus at His second coming. At that time, all believers who are still alive will receive rewards for the work they did during the tribulation and they will be allowed to enter the Millennial Kingdom. Those who are punished at His second coming will be sent to Hell to wait for their final judgement at the Great White Throne after the Millennial Kingdom.
We do not have to be concerned or worry about whether or not we are doing the work He prepared for us to do as long as we are always living for Him and not for ourselves, because He tells us: “for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.” (Philippians 2:13) So God will make sure we do His Will. All we have to do is continue to stay in His Word daily and be obedient to what His Word tells us. He also tells us, “And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.” (2 Corinthians 9:8) So we do not have to worry because He will give us all we need to do the works He planned for us and it will be quite natural for us to do it. Luke 21:1-24 is not about the tribulation. I know it sounds a lot like it, and it is a lot like what the tribulation will be like, but that is not what Jesus is talking about here. In Luke He is warning His followers about what will happen in 70 AD. This is a prophecy that would come true within a short time after His death and resurrection, proving once again that He was from God and was God. He told them that when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies that they should flee to the mountains. I know Luke 21:20 especially sounds similar to when He spoke about the abomination of desolation, but it is not. This is the prophecy that saved all the Christians from being killed by the Romans. History shows that all the Christians had fled from Jerusalem before Rome attacked so not even one was killed or made a slave! That alone is amazing, and shows how carefully the Lord watches over those who belong to Him! The only part that is about His Second Coming is Luke 21:25–28.
You've sure read a lot. I hope this helped. It would be a good idea to make a note in your bible concerning what Jesus is talking about in Luke Luke 21:1-24, since it does sound a lot like the tribulation.
It is very, very difficult for me to reply to so much at at one time hon. I know you didn't have a choice this time though... You're doing very well!
Hi Eva:
I think you asked some good questions, I will be very interested in seeing what Cindy has to say!! :-)  Today, Wednesday, the 22nd
I read Ruth: 4:1-12
We get to see the 'court house' drama as Boaz negotiates with the other kinsman redeemer.
I am not exactly sure how or why, if he had accepted being Naomi's redeemer, and had a child with Ruth it would have jeopardized his child inheritance?
Wouldn't Ruth's child or children, have just inherited Naomi's land?
Wouldn't the father have been able to give his land and/or things to which ever child he decided to?
In any case, once he discovered he would have to also accept Ruth, he passed on being kinsman redeemer (They had a weird way of sealing the deal by giving the man a shoe or sandal)....
and Boaz was free to marry Ruth, which he did.
This has taken way too long, so I can't do anymore today... sorry.
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Eva, have you lost interest in the tribulation thread or did you just forget about it?
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