Kel
Living With Pain
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Post by Kel on Sept 30, 2015 5:30:30 GMT -5
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Kel
Living With Pain
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Post by Kel on Sept 30, 2015 5:54:24 GMT -5
Vatican response: "Vatican does not confirm the meeting, nor does it deny the meeting. There will be no further information..." TJ Holmes
shady.
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Post by dogstaff on Oct 2, 2015 15:19:37 GMT -5
I thought it was strange too. Lots (!) of debate about it - 1,000+ comments on the report.
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Post by Cindy on Oct 9, 2015 11:16:26 GMT -5
Kim is a oneness pentacostal, sadly they don't believe in the Trinity, a core belief of the Christian faith.
MODALISM IS AN ATTACK ON GOD
I am following up my post on Kim Davis since it is clear that she is a Oneness follower. Oneness is Modalism, an old heresy (and declared a heresy in the 3rd century) called Sabellianism. It is not only NOT Christianity, but it is a cult and is very legalistic about clothes, hairstyles, and other such matters. You can lose your salvation in this cult, which is sadly ironic since they do not have salvation to begin with.
Modalism is the belief that God reveals himself or manifests as 3 persons, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus is God the Father, God is the Holy Spirit, The Holy Spirit is Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is a power or force. This view means when Jesus was praying to the Father and referred to the Father, he was lying or fooling people. But because the deceptive wording is tricky and because Modalists call themselves Christians, many are fooled.
Oneness/modalism is not only contrary to God’s word and the historic Christian faith (of all denominations) but it attacks God’s word. It is an attack on God’s nature; it is an attack on how God has revealed Himself in Scripture. If you have God’s nature wrong, you have the wrong God. The Oneness Jesus is not salvific. Modalist denominations attack and denounce the Trinity as pagan.
This thread is about the importance of the Trinity and the fact that we cannot call Oneness followers Christians. Christianity is not moralism, so while we commend people for taking moral stands, that should not cause us to ignore doctrinal issues. Now that it is clear Davis is Onenesss, I only want people to realize that fact and realize we cannot call her a Christian. The Trinity trumps moralism.
Classic modalist statement from Davis’ church, Solid Rock Apostolic Church, Morehead, KY:
bit.ly/1QcH5Ll
The Trinity is one God who reveals himself as three distinct co-eternal Persons. The fact we cannot totally grasp this, and that there is no solid analogy for it, does not keep us from seeing it taught in Scripture, or from confessing or believing it.
All cults deny the Trinity – all of them. The red and white graphic is the Trinity, the black and yellow one is Modalism, or Oneness.
I have reasons for everything I post and what I don’t post. I appreciate thoughtful feedback but personal attacks or irrelevant comments and links will be deleted.
FURTHER INFO
There are other pages, too, from the parent church site that give evidence of modalism. You have to hunt around – info is not handed out easily by cults. But on this page, there is a very clever attempt to show the Trinity is wrong through a series of questions and answers. It’s called twisting Scripture and cults are diabolically clever with it. It is just plain evil - the enemy attacking God. See
bit.ly/1KQTmVv
And here under Son, you can see they say that Jesus is God the Father and under the Holy Spirit, they specifically say that the HS is "not a third person in the Godhead." Modalism denies the personhood of the HS. See bit.ly/1Kwdopv
TOOLS TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE
Why the Trinity Is An Essential Doctrine, by J Warner Wallace
bit.ly/1L8KRAT
Excellent article by Rob Bowman explaining the fatal error of Oneness
bit.ly/1W4glQf
My article on T D Jakes and the ER2 Interview which caused some to think he was embracing the Trinity, but he was not. This article gives info on the tricky wording of Oneness followers like Jakes:
bit.ly/1EuPMKb
The CARM site has good info on the Trinity and Oneness/Modalism. Here is "10 Questions to Ask a Oneness Pentecostal?"
bit.ly/1KQoQuT
Oneness Doctrine Refuted
bit.ly/1JUkdLa
The Athansian Creed came about partly to affirm the Trinity
bit.ly/1JUkqxS
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Post by sw7777 on Oct 13, 2015 17:26:18 GMT -5
We will watch with interest....
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Kel
Living With Pain
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Post by Kel on Oct 14, 2015 5:56:49 GMT -5
and then the public hears "Pentecostal" and assume its all the same. I was raised in an pentecostal church..
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james
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Post by james on Oct 14, 2015 6:41:09 GMT -5
Don't know much about being "Pentecostal" or "Oneness" but this much I know, she stood up for God's word concerning this issue. That's more then many ministers, denominations and Christians are doing.
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Post by Cindy on Oct 26, 2015 11:16:38 GMT -5
Many people assume many things about Christianity, both believers and unbelievers. We can't help what other people think or believe though. God tells us that we are to be concerned with knowing the Truth for ourselves, to be discerning through a thorough knowledge and constant use of His Word, and to live our lives accordingly. It's like so many mothers have told their children: "If everyone jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?" Of course not - they hoped anyway. We must know the Truth (and live it) and speak the Truth with and in love, whether it's popular or not. If we don't know the Truth or we aren't sure of it, then we need to ask the Lord and search His Word with Him to find it so that we then can give an answer concerning it. Because we have the amazing privilege of having His Word available to us, God expects us each to know it well and be discerning and will judge us accordingly. If we think someone we're speaking to will think "all Pentecostal churches are like that, then we should explain that they aren't. But we should also then be able to explain what other false teachings they generally do have, letting others know that they need to be very discerning about that particular denomination. Are they all bad and full of false teaching? No, of course not. Sadly, now days, most denominations have fallen from the way and include false teachings, so now days we have to be extra careful of what church we're attending and know what their major beliefs are before we start going there.
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