Thanks Barbara. Barbara is right. I meant that post for everyone, including myself, even though I was replying to what you wrote. Barbara is just more used to how I write since we discuss the Bible with each other daily. I love you Lulu and everyone here and don't want anyone to leave.
Personally, I'm tired of people thinking that I either don't like Trump (I voted for him) or that I don't care about the USA, or that I don't care if there was lying and cheating going on to change the election results. I don't have a problem with people speaking the truth, if it's done in love, but I do have a problem with people calling other people names and/or attacking others who believe differently then they do. (and no, I'm not talking about anyone here. ... although in another way I'm talking to everyone who calls themselves a Christian.)
I see the whole political thing differently then most people do, and I realize that. I don't consider this world or this country, or state to be my home. My citizenship is in New Jerusalem, in Heaven. (Philippians 3:20) I only live here temporarily since the Lord has made me His ambassador (2 Corinthians 5:20) to all the people I come into contact with, both here in New Ipswich and on line. I don't feel the need to get upset or angry about the fact that people lied and cheated concerning the election simply because it's the norm for the unsaved to do those things. So getting angry at them for doing that would be like getting angry at a baby for having a wet diaper. I do at times get angry when I first hear about something, like when I heard that people cheated etc about the election. But ever since the day it first came out, I no longer get upset about it, regardless of what "new" stuff has been discovered, since it's all still about that same sin. But I do feel a greater sense of urgency and feel strongly that what those people need is to come to know Jesus for real. I think the greatest service anyone could do for our country would be to simply pray that God would send someone to preach the gospel to each of those people involved. And I would ask the Lord not to hold this sin against them.
And yes, I believe it's very unlikely that any one who was/is truly saved lied or cheated concerning the election. BUT, if someone who's truly saved did cheat or lie about it, the Lord will be sure to convict them and will also forgive them. (Romans 14:4) Therefore I have nothing to worry about as far as other true believers go since Jesus will make sure that they stand firm in their faith in the end. Besides which, I can't condemn them unless I'm willing to be condemned by others for every sin I commit every day too, and I sure don't want that! (Matthew 6:14–15; Matthew 18:33–35; James 2:13) I tend to see everything, including the election, through the lens of God's Word. I thought everyone here knew that.
Because I see everything that way, my view is obviously different then other people's. I look at the time when Jesus and his cousin John were on the earth and know that Israel was a conquered country living under the rule of Rome. Yet neither John or Jesus said anything about the politics of their day. They knew that the man serving as High Priest didn't belong there; that he'd bought the position from the Romans. They knew how bitter all the people were about how terribly the Romans treated the Jews. In fact, Jesus did say something about that! (I'd forgotten for a moment). That's partly what He was speaking about when He told people that if someone forces you to go one mile, to go two miles with them, etc. He ended that whole talk by telling them to love their enemy and do good to them etc. But back to what I was trying to say... neither John or Jesus (or later the apostles) ever got involved in the politics for their day, other then to tell everyone to obey their leaders and the government. Therefore I believer that's what Jesus would tell us today - that we should obey the government and then remind us of what He reminded Pilate: “Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”” (John 19:11) That always makes me think of the hard way that Nebuchadnezzar had to learn that lesson! And then there's also the lesson that we're not to love the world or anything of the world; that we're to keep our focus on things that have an eternal value instead of things that have a temporary value here. (Colossians 3:1–2; 2 Corinthians 4:18) etc, etc, etc. (I'm going to say etc because I just realized that this is already way too long, even though I could continue for a whole lot longer! LOL
PS. By the way, the scriptures, and the scripture references, aren't for anyone specific, but again for everyone who may read this and wonder what I'm talking about....
Post by sevenofnine on Dec 14, 2020 11:57:24 GMT -5
OHHH my governor is in trouble look like state of CA voters may be voting in recall Gavin Newsom ohhh they are mad a story I broke on end time news forum don't be suprise if you hear Hasta La Vista GAVIN
‘Fate, or some mysterious force, can put a finger on you or me for no good reason at all.’ Detour 1945
our Mace isn’t feeling well! Before we left California our Oombi was sick all nite! Coughing and throwing up, like 4 times! Through out the nite! Now Mace is coughing and sneezing! His nose is cold and wet, so no fever, and he is eating, but he doesn’t understand what’s happening either!
iloveu also Cindy, we all think differently, our Holy Spirit’s are all different to each individual, we are all led in different directions! Some times you come off as holier then all! Believe me Ron and I try to stay in toon with what our Lord has said, He has also said there is time for peace and a time for war, a time to turn our plow blades into swords! I don’t know the scripture location. And I know there’s more to each scripture.
I’m pretty darn tired of people thinking I’m mean when I speak out against what’s happening here! Or speak out against people that consider themselves Christians and they voted for bumbling biden and harries! For abortion up to birth, for our country bring forced into socialism! And all the other evils that is happening!
ever watch “Red Dawn? It may not happen exactly that way, but we WILL BE RUN BY CHINA! and the UN will be involved in leading us into them box cars!
But like you said, that just means the rapture could happen sooner then later, which is great, but wicked sad at the same time! my Holy Spirit will not, not speak out! He does lead me to His word, and believe me, I read! I know I will die before I give up my freedoms to china, or the un, and I’ll take some of them with me!
most people DON’T know or understand the depth of the deep state, and the depth of their deception! Just like with hiltler, he had more then half his county men believing he was doing the right thing to Jews! Well that’s how deep it goes here now with obummer, soros, china, and our democratic party!
Ron and I (Ron reads to me) read A LOT, we study A LOT, both His word and the times! I have to walk away most every day and watch syify or Christmas movies, or hallmark! Or read His Word, Because it makes me wicked sad.
I come here to NOT hear it or read it, but when 7 of 9 says something, darn if I’m not gonna reply! Same as I did to you! With all my heart ❤️ for truth! Facts! That’s who MY Holy Sprit is! I’m not part of some borg! Yes first I take captive my thoughts and study, talk it over with Ron, pray and type!
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I tend to agree with almost entirely with your summation of what is going on in our country! And it is very sad, ... well.... first, there is admittedly, anger, frustration, hurt, and more anger etc.
But.... I also agree with Cindy....
she has pointed out to me for years it's what sinners do.... they lie, steal, cheat, etc. Why would I expect otherwise?????
I remember, when I was in college tho..... waaaaay back in the 60's I was such a foolish foolish foolish 'hippie'!!!! I was sooooo blind in every way! and I thought I was 'righteous'
protesting against the war, believing in 'free love'
( which was NOT free and even more to the point....it was NOT love)
and I did drugs. etc. I was a full blow idiot!
Today's youth tho, has been worked on by Satan, sin, and a terrible education system, for 60 more years which has made their foolishness, even worse than mine.....if such a thing could even be possible!
I so regret that time in my life, but I am so glad that the Lord nevertheless, had mercy on me.
Frankly, there are times, when I do not feel like extending mercy to those today but then.....
I realize what a wretched wretched wretched, depraved sinner I was.....!!!!!!
Still it's so so so sad, and frustrating to see all that is going on today!
But ONE thing it does continue to point out to me:
Is just how 'right on', the Bible is!!!!! The scriptures are so 'Today'!
In fact, with all the bloody 'fake' news,
God's word, the Bible, is the most accurate, up to date, NEWS there is!!
I can't speak for Cindy, but I am thinking, she personally, understands that both you and seven seem to have widely different views. You think??? duh! LOL
Although.... the more I read what Seven writes I am beginning to think I, personally may misjudge Seven somewhat.
At first, I thought she was extremely liberal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but as time goes by, I am seeing more and more that she is more even handed in dishing out or calling out politicians, than I first thought!
I 'thought' she was just totally anti-Trump ( and she may be?)....
but.... she does also call out those democrats who mess up!
I just didn't notice that..... at first
because, I just felt so bad for how endlessly president Trump has been so badly misunderstood and verbally abused, not really heard, etc etc. on a daily basis, that no other President has had to endure!!!
But I think the issue is
( that Cindy was trying to get across to all of us.... herself included)
is: it 'sounds' like we are not loving each other as a result
That is ALL of us.... I am very guilty of this... getting so upset with the 'liberal' faction in Christianity.
But..... 'loving the brethren' is supposed to be one of the main things unbelievers should notice about us. ( No matter how wrong the 'liberal branch is LOL HA-HA)
Loving each other.... even so, is one of the main things the secular unbelieving world, should see...
how we are different from the world!
I admit it is not always easy!!!
For several years when I was first on FH, I would get so hurt, angry and mad at Cindy.... and I would 'often' threaten to leave!!!!
Slowly on, I began to 'hear'...
no she might not have been always 100% right all the time...
but certainly a LOT LOT more, than I was at first, willing to give her credit for.
For me, it was sometimes, not 'WHAT' she said but how I 'read' it...
Its often so hard to discern
( at least for me.... I am one of those 'sensitive, easily offended types)
what a person 'really' means online....
we can't see their faces,
I often 'read in.... or read between the lines..... often wrongly)
I heard harshness, or criticism, or holier than thou, or know it all-ism etc
But I have learned over time, I am 95% of the time.... wrong and my hurt feelings, were based not on facts.... especially where Cindy was concerned.
I am starting to think, that may be true with Seven also!!!!
I have a sneaking suspicion.. that she is not AS liberal as I thought.... and she may be more 'fair' than I thought ( not so much about President Trump......but almost all others)
No she does not seem to be a conservative... yet... LOL
But there is always hope right?
Actually, I think, I am misunderstanding you also.... I think, its not that you are not caring about Seven I am thinking..... you are more like 'sisters' willing to scrap it out
I never had a brother or a sister soooooo I have no real experience of that as a child I do have brothers and sisters in Christ now tho
Also, I think you are more ummmmmmm direct and straight forward You say what you mean and mean what you say
I tend to mostly be less ...... Actually, in a way, I see you and Seven as having kind of the same communication approach
Still, I am left wondering if we are not all misunderstanding Seven sometimes.....
I may have to ask her outright sometime ( taking a cue from my two sisters in Christ)
I love all three of you and if you think i am too butt-in-sky
Can you tell me to butt-out nicely so my feelings don't get hurt
Being an 'only" child even at almost 76 I still have to struggle with that issue
Actually I still have to stop myself when I 'think' Cindy is rebuking me that JUST happened and I had to pray.... and realize, it was NOT her but my self-centered-ness oh woe is me pity poor me she is too harsh and mean LOLOL
And then, after a snit I thought about what did she 'really' say....... sigh once again i had to grow up and I don't like that very much!!! haha
But to God be the glory! And I love Cindy too much she has helped me beyond belief! I am sooooo soooooo thankful God brought her into my life!!! i was such a mess and she really has helped me grow up and no it is not always easy for me or fun but she is so precious!!!
Post by sevenofnine on Dec 14, 2020 17:47:44 GMT -5
You know and I know there is reason why we went for Biden Two reason we don't like Trump because of immigration policy andddd soon to be VP is Homegirl yeah Kamala Harris is orginally from Oaktown CA you know they geek up in Sac-Town LA and Oaktown Bay area really
BOttom line we want homey in VP office OKAY
End of discussion let see Biden could make it for 4 years
‘Fate, or some mysterious force, can put a finger on you or me for no good reason at all.’ Detour 1945
So you don’t like things being done right or legally! You don’t mind some one with NO experience, only that they are “from your hood” you don’t mind having an election STOLEN, by cheaters and liars! Right, ok.....
every country on the planet has boarders, and won’t let you in Illegally! but orange man bad, never mind all the good and right things he’s done for EVERY race in this country! Orange man bad!
you don’t care if bumbling biden has dementia, or that harris SLEPT her way into politics! And let dangerous criminals out of jail, or supported the pedophile in California congress, that just got some sick law passed! Right ok,
you support abortion up to birth, and don’t mine CHINA AND SOROS OWNING you!
and no, the discussion is not over! it’s not over! Bumbling biden and harris, were selected not ELECTED! Your vote didn’t matter either!
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I have to go shopping today, I dread going shopping, I could tell of some experiences that I had but I hesitate to write much personal on a forum like I do in e-mail, anywasseees, here are some Santa jokes, for children. What do you call a cat who works for Santa? Santa Claws. Where does Santa stay on vacation? At a ho-ho-hotel. What's big and jolly and says, "Oh, oh, oh"? Santa Claus walking backwards.
Kelly, I'm so glad to hear that your home is in New Jerusalem too! That would be great if California gets rid of Newsom!
It's good to see you Anna! It's always a good idea not to put much personal information online.
Lulu, I'm sorry to hear your fur babies have been/are sick. I sure hope they start feeling better soon. Do you think they just have a cold, or was it maybe something they ate? I love you too and I'm sorry if I sound holier then thou ever. I'll try to do better. What makes you sound mean and what I don't appreciate is when you call people names or derogatory terms, just like you did once again to Kelly. It's pretty obvious that you don't love her and yet she's never said a single nasty world to you. You say you support facts. that's fine. But I would appreciate it if you would support your facts without the derogatory comments.
Anybody that voted for a president for those reasons is part of this country’s problem! They don’t care about character or experience! That’s truth!
I love Kelly, I pray for her and all the others that are blind! Including my own kids! And believe me I’m just as straight forward with them! I love you, and I’m straight forward with you! Besides who are you to decide I do or don’t love someone?
Mace had me up twice last nite, to go outside, it was freezing but the star’s ⭐️⭐️⭐️ Were off the hook! he’s still feeling poorly, yes I’m pretty sure it’s a cold! Oombi is better, so Mace will get through it, I gave him some chicken noodle soup last night.
Seven.... the vaccine is likely RNA based, which means it will actually alter your DNA.
They had one version of the vaccine in Oz that gave false positive HIV test results....if you stop and think about how HIV is "detected" in this case you might stop and wonder how. Spelling it out - the original analysis of the CCP virus indicated it may have had particles of HIV spliced into it - I cant confirm it, but as the globalists are all working for the same satanic team like the UN and "Shanghai Joe" and Sor*s etc are part of, no way I would trust any vaccine they have built.
Up to you, personally I would never touch anything Gat*s and his mates sor*s have put togther. Not worth it.
Cindy, good points baout our citizenship being in heaven, its kind of hard also separating from our civic duty here on earth too to also expose wrong doing and be the salt of the world.
Ive taken to "Pastoring" on other secular web sites I am on, to make sure the Word is out there for people, but without being in peoples faces. I think we need to point people to Jesus like never before, weve seen how fast this current mess has moved, and the NWO hate Jesus, so we could be shut down at any moment here on this site as evil runs amok when God eventually removes his restraint on evil.
Lulu, my dog is having health problems also, it started last summer, sneezing all the time, not sneezing so much now, but he still does sneeze everyday and everyday we give the dog a Benadryl and that helps him. But took him to the vet a week ago and found out he has cancer.
As far as Lulu and Seven squabbling or disagreeing, I think some people like to do that, it is natural to their personality. Doesn't matter to me. I am a more timid, shy person but others are bold in expression. I like to read how they feel about something. I love honesty.
"Dr. Carrie Madej says even Bill Gates admits that 700,000 people could die from taking the Covid-19 vaccine, the FDA is already warning people who took Moderna and Pfizer vaccines to watch out for symptoms of Bell’s palsy...."
I have been following the Christian news service Trunews.com for years now.
As the mainstream media has now been exposed as an extensive censorship and came out and outright lied about the election, it showed how important unbaised news reporting is, and how we may have to rely on similar services as the satanic rot continues.
"For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies." ( John 8:44 )
777, I also read true news! And I’ve read the same scary stuff about this vacc.
Anna, your right, I see it as a huge disagreement! It’s deep!
And I am who I am, I’ve been this way my whole life! As has my Holy Spirit! Now I’m shy when it comes to some aspects of life, reading in public, or being in a play say like at church! I’m very happy behind the scenes! I’m not pretty with words, never have been! Heck, I’m like 20 years behind those of you who learned how to read as a toddler!
this is me! If what I say bothers 7 of 9 let her talk to me about it! I don’t say truth to hurt anybody, if you get hurt? That’s you!
I love my daughter with my whole being! But I’d say the same truths to her! Probably more brutal cause she my kid!
I don’t coddle, don’t beat around the bush or not have my say! If that means I’m seen as mean so be it!
I’m not politely correct!
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