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Post by fearnot on May 11, 2020 9:54:30 GMT -5
Now will begin the times of refreshing:
[smear:#19e668] 19 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, 20 that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus 21 whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.
Acts 3:20-21[/smear:#e619d5:0]
Finally, what every believer has been waiting for the majestic and glorious return of Jesus!!!
[smear:#23e619]11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself.[/smear:#9e19e6:0] Revelation 19:11,12
This is the day predicted in 2 Thessalonians of the triumphal return of the King of Kings. Jesus Christ
[smear:#1e8448]7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels 2 Thessalonians 1:7[/smear:#e61976:0]
This is not the same one riding the white horse at the beginning of Revelation, that was the counterfeit, the anti-Christ.
This is the true Savior.
Everyone will see Him coming as Heaven is open.
Jesus is faithful because, as God, He cannot ,and does not lie. He is faithful to His Word and promises. He IS the 'TRUTH'
[smear:#33924b]6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness; 7 you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Psalms 45:6,7[/smear:#b6407b:0]
His Judgments are righteous, so the war will be a just and Holy war. It will be the end of man's rule, and the beginning of Christ's eternal rule.
This will not be a long prolonged battle and war, it will be basically instantaneous.
There will be those who hate His appearing and those who love it. But it is clear more education and knowledge, technology, time, etc. has not fixed the sin and evil in this world, it only gets worse, and the only person who can fix it is God.
[smear:#e65d19]8 Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing. 2 Timothy 4:8[/smear:#e61986:0]
Eyes are like a flame of fire so that it is impossible to hide anything from Him ( you could say they can burn right thru the thoughts in our brains and down to our very soul...I think).
[smear:#435e38]6.....and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, Isaiah 9:6,7[/smear:#df19e6:0]
No longer wearing the 'crown' of thorns He wears many as THE King of Kings!
A name no man knew, because in truth we cannot ever know all the things of God.
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Post by Cindy on May 11, 2020 10:21:48 GMT -5
You are right, I did say End Times, and then just got off on a tangent at some point early on.
I really did not mean to give the impression that end times is only in Revelation... It is not!
I tend to get distracted more these days So feel free to point it out sooner
Whatever you think is best as far as changing the titles... And how long will we stay on it
maybe call this Revelation?
and 'end times' could be on going and added to from time to time or even daily if things come up....like the murder hornets?
I also think maybe one of the reasons I might have decided to go back to a book study, was because I had perhaps veered off into conspiracies and speculations a bit too much
and so ( I can't remember exactly )
but I might have thought, a good way to avoid that , was to stay as much in the word as possible
because even like this virus.....there is too much of a chance for me, to start bringing up things that might get you in trouble with your channel?
Anyway, after Revelation, maybe you pick the next book?
I apologize because I should have stuck with the program arrrggghhh! But I think I need reminders and exact limits on when bringing up current events that 'maybe' are end time related.....but not false news etc.
We have discussed that a bit....but I am a wee bit fearful, of making a mistake on some of what is out there.
OK, I'll change this title and you can start a new thread when you want to.
Even though we won't be following a book when we do one on the end times, we will still be using scripture. That alone will keep us away from conspiracy theories. For instance just like I did in my post about illnesses during our time now and coming even more so during the tribulation. I was speaking about Luke 21:11 and a couple of other scriptures that I posted. If we just talk about what we think, it means nothing; but if we talk about what we think because of what God's Word says, then it has some value. So don't be afraid on not doing a book. Even just discussing the end times, we would still be using scripture; and frankly the more scripture the better!
I read all your posts since my last one and they're all very good. I decided not to quote them because I have nothing to add, and quoting them would just make my post super long.
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Post by fearnot on May 11, 2020 11:15:29 GMT -5
Ok that sounds great! I am a little clearer on what is okay, I did get the stick to scripture part
still it is possible for me to read or hear of something and wonder if it fits in with scripture Like the virus, for example as either being 'birth pangs or a 'preview'
However, here is an example.... I mentioned Elon Musk's neural link.....because I thought 2 things
is it in a way, Satan conditioning people to become comfortable with whatever the mark will be Not that the mark will be this neural link
And also, Musk saying it will be ready in a year!!
I thought that iwas one more craziness in the direction the world is speeding out of control....
but.... that the rapture ( Of course each day it is that much closer) is that much closer
I can see people lining up to be linked to AI'in order to gain more knowledge, more power being super human ( like little gods) etc
of course......he is saying he is working on it but is it conspiracy? Is it even relevant to end times The only way I was thinking it might be , is as a lie from the devil ( that it will make humans soooo superior...)
I am thinking if it does not kill them, it will enslave them...one way or another... only the mark will be even so much worse
However this linking might make people see it as normal, and a great tool even a type of a 'savior'
I did hear Musk saying a few years back he had great fear of AI... and if we do not link with them, we will be destroyed .... so there is a fear factor working here and a searching for a 'savior' but see why I am still struggling?
Oh and thank you sooooo much for saying I am doing well I have been feeling so tired lately that I am never sure.
By the way, I dumped my link to the daily counting of the virus. I think it does just add a stress....I am not all that fearful of it but it's more the not knowing where this is going
( but some claim the numbers are waaaay toooo low in the counting yet others are saying, anyone who dies is being counted as having the virus... well almost
and yet, I do think its a mini preview of a part of what might be plagues in the tribulation
and how grateful I am not to have to deal with the horrors of that!!
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Post by Cindy on May 12, 2020 11:51:36 GMT -5
Ok that sounds great! I am a little clearer on what is okay, I did get the stick to scripture part
still it is possible for me to read or hear of something and wonder if it fits in with scripture Like the virus, for example as either being 'birth pangs or a 'preview'
However, here is an example.... I mentioned Elon Musk's neural link.....because I thought 2 things
is it in a way, Satan conditioning people to become comfortable with whatever the mark will be Not that the mark will be this neural link
And also, Musk saying it will be ready in a year!!
I thought that iwas one more craziness in the direction the world is speeding out of control....
but.... that the rapture ( Of course each day it is that much closer) is that much closer
I can see people lining up to be linked to AI'in order to gain more knowledge, more power being super human ( like little gods) etc
of course......he is saying he is working on it but is it conspiracy? Is it even relevant to end times The only way I was thinking it might be , is as a lie from the devil ( that it will make humans soooo superior...)
I am thinking if it does not kill them, it will enslave them...one way or another... only the mark will be even so much worse
However this linking might make people see it as normal, and a great tool even a type of a 'savior'
I did hear Musk saying a few years back he had great fear of AI... and if we do not link with them, we will be destroyed .... so there is a fear factor working here and a searching for a 'savior' but see why I am still struggling?
Oh and thank you sooooo much for saying I am doing well I have been feeling so tired lately that I am never sure.
By the way, I dumped my link to the daily counting of the virus. I think it does just add a stress....I am not all that fearful of it but it's more the not knowing where this is going
( but some claim the numbers are waaaay toooo low in the counting yet others are saying, anyone who dies is being counted as having the virus... well almost
and yet, I do think its a mini preview of a part of what might be plagues in the tribulation
and how grateful I am not to have to deal with the horrors of that!! Ok, to determine if this joker is for real or if it's a conspiracy theory or whatever...what do you do? Or to determine that about anything, what do you do?
First google it or some part of it and see what pops up. Notice what kind of "news agencies" are handling the story; notice how many are handling it. See if anyone debunks it or even tries to. In this case I simply copied what you wrote above, Elon Musk's neural link and goggled it. The places it's covered don't look all that respectable. But then, lo and behold a jack pot: Inside the science behind Neuralink, Elon Musk's plan to put ... Ok now that tells me that I should be able to click on it and find out if this guy is using real science or if he's nuts. So let's see what it says. I'm only going to copy a short excerpt: Business Insider spoke to two neuroscientists to find out exactly how innovative Neuralink is. Both said that while components of Neuralink's design are exciting, the fact a monkey had been able to control a computer isn't as impressive as it sounds. I didn't bother to look at any other links, because I honestly don't really care lol. But what I read was enough to tell me that this guy is basically a nut, exaggerates a lot, and wants to be famous. He sounds like the kind of guy that would do whatever it takes, including lying, to get fame and fortune.
After googling it and determining what kind of sites are reporting it, determine what their reports are generating: fear, or simply an unbiased report of what is happening? Or are they putting the person or thing down? (like they are for this guy.) How popular is it to talk about the person or what they're doing? If something is obviously very popular, that alone is a big red flag that it could be a conspiracy theory. Here's another thing that could point to a conspiracy theory, but in this case I think so far at least points just to a nut: Elon Musk's Secretive Brain Tech Company Debuts a ... If it's secretive, that's a big red flag too. Ok, I gave in a checked out this one as it was another scientific and legit one: here's as far as I needed to go: But Musk’s vision is much more ambitious than that: he seeks to enable humans to “merge” with AI, giving people superhuman intelligence—an objective that is much more hype than an actual plan for new technology development. And: The company reported some initial results of its neural interface in rats in a white paper it made public, and it is currently doing experiments in monkeys at the University of California, Davis. None of this research has been peer-reviewed. So again it looks like a nut is seeking to be famous and at the very least leans toward conspiracy theories himself.
You said: I did hear Musk saying a few years back he had great fear of AI... and if we do not link with them, we will be destroyed ....so there is a fear factor working here and a searching for a 'savior'but see why I am still struggling? No, why are you struggling? He's fearful and unsaved, and as you said searching for a savior (or even searching to be a savior). What else do you need to know? You've probably already seen the things I posted about him here, and I would think that would be enough to show you the guy isn't worth paying any attention to at all. He's nothing more then a big waste of time. While I didn't see anything on the first google page that showed him to be part of a conspiracy theory, what I read showed me that he himself is most likely hooked into conspiracy theories. (it's rare for anyone to just be involved in one conspiracy theory. Once someone gets hooked into one, they inevitably get involved in many others.) One thing that IS part of many conspiracy theories today is the whole idea of AI's. (which is partly why I said he's most likely involved in them, especially since he's afraid of them.)
We need to be discerning about what we see and hear, including the news. I remember my Mom telling me to only believe half of what I see, and none of what I hear or read. She was close to right on! There's a lot of fake news including so called "Christian fake news". It could easily take up my whole day every day just to show that the so called Christian news I see people posting on facebook is nothing but garbage. People share stuff because it looks good, they like it or want it to be true and they don't bother to research it first. But that's not my job so I don't bother. I just ignore it, even when it comes on my page. We need to remember that we have No reason to fear anything or anyone.
We can also simply ask the Lord to show us if there's an article or news story that He wants us to know about, and He will. After asking Him that, then we need to stop looking for it and simply trust Him to do it. I've heard people say, but if I don't watch the news how will He show it to me? LOL They'd be surprised at the ways He works! At least if they really trust Him to do it, they would! Honestly though, there really isn't much in the news that's important to the Lord or for us. Everything that is important is in His Word.
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Post by fearnot on May 12, 2020 11:57:54 GMT -5
The unbelievers have reached a point of 'absolute' hardness, they will not, and cannot repent! So it is over, Jesus is on a war mission. So now this verse tells us:
[smear:#54a607]The Lord is a man of war; the Lord is his name. exodus 15:3[/smear:#e67919:0] But this is a true war of righteousness. God and His Heaven cannot dwell with sin.
And the verses I am looking at today:
[smear:#e61928]13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. Revelation 19:13,14[/smear:#19e6df:0]
The blood on His robe is not the blood He shed for forgiveness of sins, when He bled on the cross. This is not the blood of of atonement and redemption. NO, this is the blood of His enemies. And this is not His first and only battle He has fought....all throughout history, He has fought battles.
“[smear:#bc1d29]I have trodden the winepress alone, and from the peoples no one was with me; I trod them in my anger and trampled them in my wrath; their lifeblood spattered on my garments, and stained all my apparel. Isaiah 63:3[/smear:#192ce6:0]
[smear:#191ae6]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 [/smear:#1fe619:0]
[smear:#a819e6]9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, Philippians 2:9[/smear:#19e671:0]
So Jesus has blood on His garment, but we believers have on linen (symbolizing righteousness) robes that are pure and white. these are the believers, called, chosen, and faithful, and maybe also God's angels.
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Post by fearnot on May 12, 2020 12:36:33 GMT -5
See that is what I meant...why I was confused. You had to do a lot of work to uncover the truth about Musk. I even wonder about his car and rockets( supposedly works with NASA....but both of those get in the news a lot also. But in order to post on End Times it seems like it would take at 'least' and hour or more.....to get a clue as to if it is conspiracy, hype, fake news or whatever.
But I am so grateful you did so much work on hunting down just this one ummmmm 'nut case'. I think he is kind of 'smart'...well I think Tesla car does run? LOL And some of the rockets go up.....but not all have had a good outcome....
But he is fearful....as was Stephen Hawking...
However, no matter how fast etc. a computer can compute....it is still not life, nor ever will be....
And we don't know if computer programmers have a whole lot more time to tinker with AI to try to make it conscious.... ( doubtful.... but even IF.... no matter what.... it is NOT God.... just a machine and program)
but I wonder if Satan might use it for His image
and neither Musk nor Hawking factored in God, with their fearfulness.
Still what I am confused about is what to pick that would be important, give God glory, works only with scripture, taking in consideration our limited time?
So maybe, IF you have any time to post.... maybe after your new 'baby' comes LOL
you can do a few posts so I can see and learn by example?
But also if I mess up, you can explain why it is not relevant or is a conspiracy or fake news. Tho I will try to be way way more careful.
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Post by Cindy on May 13, 2020 6:49:34 GMT -5
The unbelievers have reached a point of 'absolute' hardness, they will not, and cannot repent! So it is over, Jesus is on a war mission. So now this verse tells us:
[smear:#54a607]The Lord is a man of war; the Lord is his name. exodus 15:3[/smear:#e67919:0] But this is a true war of righteousness. God and His Heaven cannot dwell with sin.
And the verses I am looking at today:
[smear:#e61928]13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. Revelation 19:13,14[/smear:#19e6df:0]
The blood on His robe is not the blood He shed for forgiveness of sins, when He bled on the cross. This is not the blood of of atonement and redemption. NO, this is the blood of His enemies. And this is not His first and only battle He has fought....all throughout history, He has fought battles.
“[smear:#bc1d29]I have trodden the winepress alone, and from the peoples no one was with me; I trod them in my anger and trampled them in my wrath; their lifeblood spattered on my garments, and stained all my apparel. Isaiah 63:3[/smear:#192ce6:0]
[smear:#191ae6]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 [/smear:#1fe619:0]
[smear:#a819e6]9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, Philippians 2:9[/smear:#19e671:0]
So Jesus has blood on His garment, but we believers have on linen (symbolizing righteousness) robes that are pure and white. these are the believers, called, chosen, and faithful, and maybe also God's angels.
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Good! I love this Psalm because it's a picture of God hearing one of His children call for help, and it shows Him coming to His child's rescue. It's also a picture of exactly what the Lord is doing at His second coming! You can also find this at 2 Samuel 22. I'll only post a portion of it though:
“In my distress I called to the LORD; I cried to my God for help. From his temple he heard my voice; my cry came before him, into his ears. The earth trembled and quaked, and the foundations of the mountains shook; they trembled because he was angry. Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it. He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet. He mounted the cherubim and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind. He made darkness his covering, his canopy around him— the dark rain clouds of the sky. Out of the brightness of his presence clouds advanced, with hailstones and bolts of lightning. The LORD thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded. He shot his arrows and scattered the enemies, great bolts of lightning and routed them. The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at your rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of breath from your nostrils. He reached down from on high and took hold of me; he drew me out of deep waters. He rescued me from my powerful enemy, from my foes, who were too strong for me. They confronted me in the day of my disaster, but the LORD was my support. He brought me out into a spacious place; he rescued me because he delighted in me.” (Psalm 18:6–19)
See that is what I meant...why I was confused. You had to do a lot of work to uncover the truth about Musk. I even wonder about his car and rockets( supposedly works with NASA....but both of those get in the news a lot also. But in order to post on End Times it seems like it would take at 'least' and hour or more.....to get a clue as to if it is conspiracy, hype, fake news or whatever.
But I am so grateful you did so much work on hunting down just this one ummmmm 'nut case'. I think he is kind of 'smart'...well I think Tesla car does run? LOL And some of the rockets go up.....but not all have had a good outcome....
But he is fearful....as was Stephen Hawking...
However, no matter how fast etc. a computer can compute....it is still not life, nor ever will be....
And we don't know if computer programmers have a whole lot more time to tinker with AI to try to make it conscious.... ( doubtful.... but even IF.... no matter what.... it is NOT God.... just a machine and program)
but I wonder if Satan might use it for His image
and neither Musk nor Hawking factored in God, with their fearfulness.
Still what I am confused about is what to pick that would be important, give God glory, works only with scripture, taking in consideration our limited time?
So maybe, IF you have any time to post.... maybe after your new 'baby' comes LOL
you can do a few posts so I can see and learn by example?
But also if I mess up, you can explain why it is not relevant or is a conspiracy or fake news. Tho I will try to be way way more careful. Barbara, that wasn't a lot of work. It probably took me all of 15 minutes including the time to write it out. All I did was google what I told you and quickly glance down the page, then, seeing the two science articles, I glanced at them and copied a part of them. You can easily do the same thing to determine if something is a conspiracy or a nutcase lol. (just read what I wrote about it in my last post to know what to look for.)
You said: Still what I am confused about is what to pick that would be important, give God glory, works only with scripture, taking in consideration our limited time? Do you mean you actually are looking for things like that? If so, you don't need to. Like I said, if God wants us to take notice of something, He will make sure we see it. (however, that doesn't mean that everything we see is something He wants us to take notice of.) I guess the only way I can think of to explain this is to tell you what I do. While there may be another way to do it, I'm unaware of what it is. I never look for anything. I simply study my Bible and listen for the Lord's guidance. When what I've been reading about in the Bible is shown to me on the news or in an article I notice somewhere, then I realize that it's something the Lord wants me to notice. When that happens, I used to always write about it when we had the old board. I don't anymore as I'm just not up to it anymore. But, when I am up to it and feel led by the Lord to do so, I still write about what I've seen. We don't have to go looking for things that will glorify God. He knows what He wants us to talk about and write about and He will show us if we ask Him and trust Him to do so.
Think about how Jesus handled things in His time. He didn't go around pointing out to the Jew's the signs of His time that would prove that He was the Messiah. He didn't remind them of Isa. 7:14 or any of the other prophecies about Himself. He didn't constantly tell them that if they didn't believe in Him they'd go to Hell. He simply told them the truth about God and let them make up their own minds.
So you don't need to look for anything, or pick anything. You just need to study your Bible and listen to the Lord. When He guides you to a subject, you will find that it interests you and that it's relevant to God and that you want to talk about it. If you don't, talk or write about it, you'll likely find that someone will most likely mention the same subject to you as confirmation. (or you might see something posted here about that subject giving you the perfect place to talk about it.) You're just trying way too hard hon!
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Post by fearnot on May 13, 2020 8:30:33 GMT -5
That was definitely helpful!!!
Thank you! :)
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Post by fearnot on May 13, 2020 8:53:23 GMT -5
Way back in psalm 2, this 'battle' of Armageddon was prophesied.
[smear:#e6cc19]Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord and against his Anointed, saying, 3 “Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us.” Psalm 2:2,3[/smear:#e61959:0]
However.....
Jesus created the universe with His word, and He can also destroy and kill with His word.
[smear:#9b19e6]15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. Revelation 19:15,16[/smear:#098b97:0]
We remember these verses in Isaiah:
2[smear:#34824e] Why is your apparel red, and your garments like his who treads in the winepress?
3 “I have trodden the winepress alone, and from the peoples no one was with me; I trod them in my anger and trampled them in my wrath; their lifeblood spattered on my garments, and stained all my apparel. Isaiah 63:2,3[/smear:#6a1e7e:0]
(although believers are with Him they do not do the killing)
We see the same truth in this Isaiah verse for example
[smear:#08f557]but with righteousness he shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall strike the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall kill the wicked. Isaiah 11:4[/smear:#e619d3:0]
This brings to mind this part of the armor of God: [smear:#0010f1] 17 and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, Ephesians 6:17[/smear:#68f505:0]
Jesus spoke comfort for so long, but now the people are irreversibly hardened, and so He speaks death. And so this verse also applies:
[smear:#31bc33]8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8[/smear:#513c99:0]
In the 1000 year reign, Jesus will see the justice prevails. He will not allow for criminal sinful acts to be done by winking and closing His eyes to it. Rather righteous judgment will be swift. His law will be absolute....and it is perfect.
So we might ponder on this:
[smear:#992e5a]9 You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.”
10 Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him. Psalm 2:9-12[/smear:#54b229:0]
The banner on his thigh makes it emphatically clear His absolute sovereignty over all human rulers . He is supreme! He is God and there is no other.
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Post by fearnot on May 14, 2020 9:42:26 GMT -5
So all the people on earth have come to fight against God, but it is not going to end well for them. In fact, since the choose not to come to the 'supper' of the Lamb ( Jesus Christ), they are going to end up as 'supper' for the birds.
[smear:#c57507]17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, 18 to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great.” Revelation 19:17,18[/smear:#11db01:0]
The angel invites the birds to come to feast because of the great carnage about to take place. You can see that God is the host of both suppers.( the supper of the lamb ( Jesus) and this supper for the birds)...
This begs the question I think.... which supper do you, or I ,or anyone for that matter, wish to attend? T here will be a supper, and now is the time to make a choice which one you wish to attend.
One supper is an invitation to a table set with love, joy, peace, blessings the other is nothing but terror and death.
The Birds ( there was a horror movie with that title years and years ago).... but this will be will way worse horror.
Anyway, this brings to mind these verses in Job:
[smear:#9a0f9b]27 Is it at your command that the eagle mounts up and makes his nest on high? 28 On the rock he dwells and makes his home, on the rocky crag and stronghold. 29 From there he spies out the prey; his eyes behold it from far away. 30 His young ones suck up blood, and where the slain are, there is he.” Job 39: 27-30[/smear:#41e619:0]
And also:
[smear:#db19e6] 4 You shall fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your hordes and the peoples who are with you. I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. Ezekiel 39:4[/smear:#db19e6:0]
In the past, men offered animals as sacrifices now they are offered as sacrifices to animals, birds in particular.
It's kind of sadly ironic, they thought they could fight God, but instead lay helplessly dead and cannot fight off even some birds.
Scavenger birds eat rotting decaying things , and these are rotten, evil, sinful, rebellious men and women.
And so: [smear:#4ce75d] 28 Wherever the corpse(s) is ( are), there the vultures will gather. Matthew 24:28[/smear:#b74706:0]
another occasion when the birds ate people:
[smear:#ab19e6]6 They shall all of them be left to the birds of prey of the mountains and to the beasts of the earth. And the birds of prey will summer on them, and all the beasts of the earth will winter on them. Isaiah 18:6[/smear:#e61920:0]
and this verse:
[smear:#89e619]33 And the dead bodies of this people will be food for the birds of the air, and for the beasts of the earth, and none will frighten them away. Jeremiah 7:33[/smear:#65280d:0]
This is not the God hating rebels final judgment, but rather their death. After the 1,000 years will come their final judgment of these God hating rebels . God will not and has never cared if you are a very important, wealthy, brilliant person, or just an insignificant peon.... all are equal in God's eyes.
So now to Revelation 19:19
[smear:#3e3695]19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. Revelation 19:19[/smear:#e6199f:0]
The 'beast' is the anti-Christ, and the kings of the earth are those ten kings who rule the ten sectors of the anti-Christ's kingdom. It may yet be a formidable, and almost seemingly invincible army. I m thinking Satan has put everything into this army.... all the nuclear, and advanced technology, maybe even the infamous AI's (who knows), but every bit or war elements, substances, materials, machines, etc etc. is poured into this last battle...( they will be armed to the teeth)
They will have a massive enormous army.......
against ONE ( Just Jesus, sitting on His horse)
We and the angels are there, but we do none of the fighting...so that is why I worded it that way.....just Jesus against Satan and his army of rebels.
Remember, they hated Jesus when He came meek and mild, peaceful, compassionate, and loving, healing and showing mercy... well now they hate Him even more that He is 'judging' them.
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Post by Cindy on May 14, 2020 10:50:54 GMT -5
See that is what I meant...why I was confused. You had to do a lot of work to uncover the truth about Musk. I even wonder about his car and rockets( supposedly works with NASA....but both of those get in the news a lot also. But in order to post on End Times it seems like it would take at 'least' and hour or more.....to get a clue as to if it is conspiracy, hype, fake news or whatever.
But I am so grateful you did so much work on hunting down just this one ummmmm 'nut case'. I think he is kind of 'smart'...well I think Tesla car does run? LOL And some of the rockets go up.....but not all have had a good outcome....
But he is fearful....as was Stephen Hawking...
However, no matter how fast etc. a computer can compute....it is still not life, nor ever will be....
And we don't know if computer programmers have a whole lot more time to tinker with AI to try to make it conscious.... ( doubtful.... but even IF.... no matter what.... it is NOT God.... just a machine and program)
but I wonder if Satan might use it for His image
and neither Musk nor Hawking factored in God, with their fearfulness.
Still what I am confused about is what to pick that would be important, give God glory, works only with scripture, taking in consideration our limited time?
So maybe, IF you have any time to post.... maybe after your new 'baby' comes LOL
you can do a few posts so I can see and learn by example?
But also if I mess up, you can explain why it is not relevant or is a conspiracy or fake news. Tho I will try to be way way more careful. Barbara, that wasn't a lot of work. It probably took me all of 15 minutes including the time to write it out. All I did was google what I told you and quickly glance down the page, then, seeing the two science articles, I glanced at them and copied a part of them. You can easily do the same thing to determine if something is a conspiracy or a nutcase lol. (just read what I wrote about it in my last post to know what to look for.)
You said: Still what I am confused about is what to pick that would be important, give God glory, works only with scripture, taking in consideration our limited time? Do you mean you actually are looking for things like that? If so, you don't need to. Like I said, if God wants us to take notice of something, He will make sure we see it. (however, that doesn't mean that everything we see is something He wants us to take notice of.) I guess the only way I can think of to explain this is to tell you what I do. While there may be another way to do it, I'm unaware of what it is. I never look for anything. I simply study my Bible and listen for the Lord's guidance. When what I've been reading about in the Bible is shown to me on the news or in an article I notice somewhere, then I realize that it's something the Lord wants me to notice. When that happens, I used to always write about it when we had the old board. I don't anymore as I'm just not up to it anymore. But, when I am up to it and feel led by the Lord to do so, I still write about what I've seen. We don't have to go looking for things that will glorify God. He knows what He wants us to talk about and write about and He will show us if we ask Him and trust Him to do so.
Think about how Jesus handled things in His time. He didn't go around pointing out to the Jew's the signs of His time that would prove that He was the Messiah. He didn't remind them of Isa. 7:14 or any of the other prophecies about Himself. He didn't constantly tell them that if they didn't believe in Him they'd go to Hell. He simply told them the truth about God and let them make up their own minds.
So you don't need to look for anything, or pick anything. You just need to study your Bible and listen to the Lord. When He guides you to a subject, you will find that it interests you and that it's relevant to God and that you want to talk about it. If you don't, talk or write about it, you'll likely find that someone will most likely mention the same subject to you as confirmation. (or you might see something posted here about that subject giving you the perfect place to talk about it.) You're just trying way too hard hon! That was definitely helpful!!!
Thank you! :) You're welcome, but what was helpful about it? Did I guess right at what you're doing? If not, can you try to explain again? Are you actually looking for things? What do you plan to do now? Are you going to change anything? If so what and why?
Way back in psalm 2, this 'battle' of Armageddon was prophesied.
[smear:#e6cc19]Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord and against his Anointed, saying, 3 “Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us.” Psalm 2:2,3[/smear:#e61959:0]
However.....
Jesus created the universe with His word, and He can also destroy and kill with His word.
[smear:#9b19e6]15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. Revelation 19:15,16[/smear:#098b97:0]
We remember these verses in Isaiah:
2[smear:#34824e] Why is your apparel red, and your garments like his who treads in the winepress?
3 “I have trodden the winepress alone, and from the peoples no one was with me; I trod them in my anger and trampled them in my wrath; their lifeblood spattered on my garments, and stained all my apparel. Isaiah 63:2,3[/smear:#6a1e7e:0]
(although believers are with Him they do not do the killing)
We see the same truth in this Isaiah verse for example
[smear:#08f557]but with righteousness he shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall strike the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall kill the wicked. Isaiah 11:4[/smear:#e619d3:0]
This brings to mind this part of the armor of God: [smear:#0010f1] 17 and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, Ephesians 6:17[/smear:#68f505:0]
Jesus spoke comfort for so long, but now the people are irreversibly hardened, and so He speaks death. And so this verse also applies:
[smear:#31bc33]8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8[/smear:#513c99:0]
In the 1000 year reign, Jesus will see the justice prevails. He will not allow for criminal sinful acts to be done by winking and closing His eyes to it. Rather righteous judgment will be swift. His law will be absolute....and it is perfect.
So we might ponder on this:
[smear:#992e5a]9 You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.”
10 Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him. Psalm 2:9-12[/smear:#54b229:0]
The banner on his thigh makes it emphatically clear His absolute sovereignty over all human rulers . He is supreme! He is God and there is no other.
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Good! There are so many scriptures like this one that show how important God's Word, (the Bible) is: “He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.” (Revelation 19:13) This one brings to mind what else John said about this: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1) “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14) We are told in no uncertain words, that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, and that He has somehow also given us His Word, given us Himself, in the guise of what we call our Bible. We're told that through His Word all things were created, including we ourselves, and that one day, He will judge everyone, and His judgement will be based on whether or not the person has rejected or accepted Him and whether or not they have rejected or accepted His Word - the Bible. “There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.” (John 12:48) This tells us that the person who says they are saved, but who does not believe the Bible is inspired by God through The Holy Spirit and are without error, is in truth NOT saved and in danger of going to Hell. This is one of the people who calls Him "Lord", but will hear the horrible words, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” From Matthew 7:22–23.
Some people scoff at the saying that the way you treat your Bible is the way you treat the Lord, but it's very true. We should examine ourselves and see what we need to ask forgiveness for and what we need to work on with His help. Then we should pray about it.
There's something else that the way we treat our Bible shows us. It can also show us if we really put the Lord first in our life or not. If we are putting Him first, then we will want to start our day with Him and spend as much time as we can with Him. Our Bible will be our most treasured possession and never far from our reach. If someone really puts the Lord first in their life, you can be assured that their Bible will never have any dust on it. Or if they use a software program like I do now, then it will be the program that's used more then anything else on that computer. They usually spend more time in God's Word then anything else they normally do.
Another interesting thing is also usually seen in people who have truly put the Lord first in their life: that is that even when they aren't literally in God's Word, they are often thinking about it, talking about it, writing about it, and/or praying. Those people generally spend a large amount of time praying too - not necessarily formal prayers, although certainly that kind of prayer is said by them at times; but more often simply talking to the Lord. In other words, these folks know that the Lord is always with them and they take advantage of that by always keeping Him and His Word in their conscious mind. Because they are so familiar with the Lord's Word, they are also very familiar with the Lord.
Sadly some people think I harp too much on telling people that God wants us in His Word every single day, and not just for 15 minutes either. But I don't think there's anything that's more important then that.
“On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.” (Revelation 19:16) This made me think of the OT custom of putting their hand under the other persons thigh when swearing something to them, like in this scripture: “He said to the chief servant in his household, the one in charge of all that he had, “Put your hand under my thigh. I want you to swear by the LORD, the God of heaven and the God of earth, that you will not get a wife for my son from the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I am living,” (Genesis 24:2–3) The reason they put their hand there is because they saw it as putting their hand near the reproductive organs which symbolized that the oath is sworn to Abraham’s entire clan, to Isaac, & all his descendants. So the Name written on His robe and thigh could be announcing or swearing to all past & future mankind that He is the King of Kings & Lord of Lords. That's what I think, but here's what others say:
The thigh symbolizes Christ’s humanity as having come, after the flesh, from the loins of David, & now appearing as the glorified “Son of man.” Commentary Critical and Explanatory
Jesus will wear a banner across His robe & down His thigh with a title emblazoned on it that emphasizes His absolute sovereignty over all human rulers. Lord of lords and King of kings. A title for God that emphasizes His sovereignty over all other rulers to whom He has delegated authority. The MacArthur study Bible
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Post by fearnot on May 15, 2020 8:16:08 GMT -5
Now we come to the end of the battle:
[smear:#f2ce47]20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. 21 And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh. Revelation 19:20,21[/smear:#20e619:0]
It seems like maybe the false prophet could only do his signs and wonder when with the anti-Christ ( indwelt by Satan).
Anyway, as any good general would do....Jesus takes out the leaders first, a cutting of the head of the opposing enemy, and so Jesus captures Satan and the false prophet and throws them in Hell. in a blink of an eye , the world’s armies are without their leader.
It seems like these two men, ( tho demonically possessed) bodies are somehow transformed so they can be banished to Hell, a permanent place for Divine judgment, incarceration and punishment.
The the battle was over even could begin....there really won't even be a 'war'. The God who spoke the universe into being, with His Word, will just give a spoken word and it ends.
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Post by Cindy on May 15, 2020 11:07:46 GMT -5
So all the people on earth have come to fight against God, but it is not going to end well for them. In fact, since the choose not to come to the 'supper' of the Lamb ( Jesus Christ), they are going to end up as 'supper' for the birds.
[smear:#c57507]17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, 18 to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great.” Revelation 19:17,18[/smear:#11db01:0]
The angel invites the birds to come to feast because of the great carnage about to take place. You can see that God is the host of both suppers.( the supper of the lamb ( Jesus) and this supper for the birds)...
This begs the question I think.... which supper do you, or I ,or anyone for that matter, wish to attend? T here will be a supper, and now is the time to make a choice which one you wish to attend.
One supper is an invitation to a table set with love, joy, peace, blessings the other is nothing but terror and death.
The Birds ( there was a horror movie with that title years and years ago).... but this will be will way worse horror.
Anyway, this brings to mind these verses in Job:
[smear:#9a0f9b]27 Is it at your command that the eagle mounts up and makes his nest on high? 28 On the rock he dwells and makes his home, on the rocky crag and stronghold. 29 From there he spies out the prey; his eyes behold it from far away. 30 His young ones suck up blood, and where the slain are, there is he.” Job 39: 27-30[/smear:#41e619:0]
And also:
[smear:#db19e6] 4 You shall fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your hordes and the peoples who are with you. I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. Ezekiel 39:4[/smear:#db19e6:0]
In the past, men offered animals as sacrifices now they are offered as sacrifices to animals, birds in particular.
It's kind of sadly ironic, they thought they could fight God, but instead lay helplessly dead and cannot fight off even some birds.
Scavenger birds eat rotting decaying things , and these are rotten, evil, sinful, rebellious men and women.
And so: [smear:#4ce75d] 28 Wherever the corpse(s) is ( are), there the vultures will gather. Matthew 24:28[/smear:#b74706:0]
another occasion when the birds ate people:
[smear:#ab19e6]6 They shall all of them be left to the birds of prey of the mountains and to the beasts of the earth. And the birds of prey will summer on them, and all the beasts of the earth will winter on them. Isaiah 18:6[/smear:#e61920:0]
and this verse:
[smear:#89e619]33 And the dead bodies of this people will be food for the birds of the air, and for the beasts of the earth, and none will frighten them away. Jeremiah 7:33[/smear:#65280d:0]
This is not the God hating rebels final judgment, but rather their death. After the 1,000 years will come their final judgment of these God hating rebels . God will not and has never cared if you are a very important, wealthy, brilliant person, or just an insignificant peon.... all are equal in God's eyes.
So now to Revelation 19:19
[smear:#3e3695]19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. Revelation 19:19[/smear:#e6199f:0]
The 'beast' is the anti-Christ, and the kings of the earth are those ten kings who rule the ten sectors of the anti-Christ's kingdom. It may yet be a formidable, and almost seemingly invincible army. I m thinking Satan has put everything into this army.... all the nuclear, and advanced technology, maybe even the infamous AI's (who knows), but every bit or war elements, substances, materials, machines, etc etc. is poured into this last battle...( they will be armed to the teeth)
They will have a massive enormous army.......
against ONE ( Just Jesus, sitting on His horse)
We and the angels are there, but we do none of the fighting...so that is why I worded it that way.....just Jesus against Satan and his army of rebels.
Remember, they hated Jesus when He came meek and mild, peaceful, compassionate, and loving, healing and showing mercy... well now they hate Him even more that He is 'judging' them.
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Very good! I loved what you said here: "This begs the question I think.... which supper do you, or I ,or anyone for that matter, wish to attend? T here will be a supper, and now is the time to make a choice which one you wish to attend." I loved that because it made me think that's something I can actually use to witness to people with. I can tell them they get to choose which supper they'll attend, - the one where Jesus will be serving them at His marriage supper, or the one where they will be the supper!
I like how you worded this too: "Scavenger birds eat rotting decaying things , and these are rotten, evil, sinful, rebellious men and women." I like it because it gives a good description of what we all are. Too often we tend to think of ourselves as "good" (especially since we're saved and have been made righteous by God). and nothing about us is truly good, except the things that God has changed or given us since our salvation. I am rotten, evil, sinful, and rebellious. I could use many more adjectives to describe myself and all of them would be similar words. God tells us this through Paul, so this isn't just my idea.... “I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.” (Romans 7:18) If we remember this about ourselves, we won't be so quick to judge others.
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Post by Cindy on May 16, 2020 8:47:17 GMT -5
Since this one is over 20 hours old, I'll just assume you're finished with it.... Now we come to the end of the battle:
[smear:#f2ce47]20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. 21 And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh. Revelation 19:20,21[/smear:#20e619:0]
It seems like maybe the false prophet could only do his signs and wonder when with the anti-Christ ( indwelt by Satan).
Anyway, as any good general would do....Jesus takes out the leaders first, a cutting of the head of the opposing enemy, and so Jesus captures Satan and the false prophet and throws them in Hell. in a blink of an eye , the world’s armies are without their leader.
It seems like these two men, ( tho demonically possessed) bodies are somehow transformed so they can be banished to Hell, a permanent place for Divine judgment, incarceration and punishment.
The the battle was over even could begin....there really won't even be a 'war'. The God who spoke the universe into being, with His Word, will just give a spoken word and it ends.
You said: It seems like maybe the false prophet could only do his signs and wonder when with the anti-Christ ( indwelt by Satan). But that's not the case. The false prophet is Satan's answer to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit can perform miracles anywhere He wants to and so could the false prophet. But because the false prophet's job is to do miracles in order to get people to worship the AntiChrist, all of his miracles glorify the AntiChrist. I keep reading the scripture but don't see what made you think he could only do miracles when with the antichrist... what am I missing?
Yes, the lake of fire is the final hell, the place where unbelievers will spend their eternity.
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Post by fearnot on May 16, 2020 12:46:06 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy....yesterday was both a bad day health wise and so not so good with the Bible study....
So thank you for the corrections and additions!!!
but... then .... by the afternoon, I felt better
and
took all 3 kids on a mile walk....
I still felt good
and gardened for 1/2 an hour (or more...I tend to lose track of time when gardening.....I always say to myself.....ohhhhh I will just do this one last thing and stop.....go do the one 'last' thing, but see something else just a 'little' one second thing to do only it actually is longer....usually a LOT longer and often leads to just 1 more wee little thing to do....
then, I talked ( standing) to about 3 different people outside.... for about 1/2 hour each
I suspect, you already know exactly what this lead too :(
Such a extreme neck and backache...then and now
well, thankful God made it cloudy today, so I won't get fooled ( or be the fool) and try again to do too much too soon!!
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Post by fearnot on May 16, 2020 14:20:23 GMT -5
Today I am looking at chapter 20
[smear:#8219e6] Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. 2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
Revelation 20:1-3[/smear:#e619b3:0]
Satan will be put in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years. This 'seems' like, it will, or should be, an ideal situation for mankind.
And I do think it will be basically the utopia, mankind has been yearning for ( and why so many fell for the Anti-Christ, ... they thought he was going to usher in the peaceful utopia.
But, it won't be until Jesus ( God....the Son reigns).... and everyone who entered in, they will all will be, believers , at first
Even the animals will be at peace with one another
However there, is a super sad downside....
The believers who entered in, will have children, and not all of their children, will except Jesus, as their Lord and Savior, and be saved.
Furthermore, they will not even be able to use the excuse: The devil 'tempted me....the devil made me do it' ( not except Jesus as their Savior)
[smear:#4f72e9] 5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Genesis 6:5 [/smear:#e6197a:1]
Just an interesting side note:
(not that we should ever ever try to 'fight' Satan, we can however pray that God/Jesus/the Holy Spirit will..... and they will, and they will WIN)
But.... as powerful Satan is in comparison to we weak humans
NOTE: The angel that is called with the key and chain to seize the dragon ( pointing out how cruel he is) (the devil/Satan)...
This angel,is NOT called:
Mighty
nor
'Powerful'
nor 'Great'!
and yet , this angel , sets a seal on the devil, as a symbol of the authority he has over, this once most mighty angel of God, who has fallen so low now.
A few other instances of the Word 'sealed' in the Bible:
[smear:#524573]4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” Daniel 12:4[/smear:#b51eac:0]
A few of different kinds of 'seals':
[smear:#e85458]33 Whoever receives his (Jesus) testimony sets his seal to this, that God is true. John 3:33[/smear:#1d9274:0]
Another different type of seal
[smear:#4385ce]66 So they went and made the tomb ( Jesus's tomb) secure by sealing the stone and setting a guard. Matthew 27:66[/smear:#d8e619:0]
There are many more, but here is one last one ( for now)
[smear:#e6b219]13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13[/smear:#8919e6:0]
Also note: this is not the first time fallen angels have been Chained:
[smear:#3d3bb5]4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment. 2 Peter 2:4[/smear:#17571e:0]
Then Satan is released, for a little while, after the 1,000 years. Now he is going to find millions of sinful rebels
Still, that is not to say, Satan cannot deceive Christians, which is why James warns us:
[smear:#e65119]7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. James 4:7[/smear:#491d89:0]
and this also as an example:
[smear:#883891]3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? Acts 5:3[/smear:#e1e619:0]
Done for today ( I have no idea yet, how this turned out....since I kept falling asleep :(
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Post by fearnot on May 17, 2020 13:27:23 GMT -5
Today I will look at Revelation 20: 4-6 [smear:#19e67a] 4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. Revelation 20: 4-6 [/smear:#b12de3:0]
The 1,000 kingdom is the 'earthy' kingdom God promised, and later will be the 'eternal' kingdom.
Perhaps this is a clue as to who is on the thrones: [smear:#fa8132] 18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.’ Daniel 7:18[/smear:#30e619:0]
I am thinking also the apostles
and the tribulation saints
They are are resurrected men ....not the angels.
[smear:#54b464]21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. Revelation 3:21[/smear:#df9935:0]
The thrones are the administrative, judicial, and authoritative branch.
[smear:#453093]2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 1 Corinthians 6:2[/smear:#e6b219:0]
i[smear:#167429]f we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us; 2 Timothy 2:12[/smear:#a619e6:0]
But the unbelievers will not be resurrected until the end. Those who died in the Lord, are blessed, those who did not die in Christ, are not blessed.
[smear:#9259f3]2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2[/smear:#09a79f:0]
The first resurrection is the earliest and the most important ( and the one all believers want to be in). However, I think, the word 'first', can include Jesus resurrection as the first and also: OT saints those who are taken in the rapture those from the tribulation basically all believers
and the 2nd resurrection are the unbelievers.
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Post by fearnot on May 18, 2020 10:14:28 GMT -5
At the end of the 1,000 years Satan is released, and goes right back to his old tricks of lies and deception.
[smear:#7bd036]7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.[/smear:#e61930:0]
He gathers together all the rebellious that were born during this time. It is kind of hard to believe there will be some, because Jesus is ruling, there are no demons or satan to influence, it will be the most moral society they are born into.... and yet.... sadly, even tho all their parents will be believers, the parents still posses a sin nature And so pass it on to the children, many of which them become rebels. And so, even in the best environment possible, they still choose their sins. I think, many people have thought: What chance to young people have today? There are waaaay toooo many temptations, and so they cannot help but choose sin
However, this proves that is not really the case. Even in a blissful perfect ( no wars, no demons, etc etc.) environment, sinners still sin, and will choose their sin, over Jesus. [smear:#e64519] 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Romans 8:7[/smear:#3dac87:0]
It is not that they do not know Jesus is God ( they can see Him, they know what He can and does do, they can hear Him, they know His love and mercy towards them etc.).
so God allows the devil to bring all these rebels together....so it is perfectly clear, who and what they are, and that God is just in destroying them.
There was a time ( and even now, I sometimes fall into the trap of thinking) that people just do not have enough evidence to believe in God.... however, that is a misleading trap it is not about the evidence or lack of ( tho that too is a lie....there IS enough evidence) but its about sinners loving their sin.
[smear:#cb568f]19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19,20[/smear:#57a7b7:0]
I can't help but point out, the so called 'science' of 'evolution'
Do people really really want to examine if it is rational, logical, scientific 'FACT"? Or is it a carefully crafted excuse?
I sometimes listen to various people on youtube, who will give tons and tons, of science journals etc. as evidence, for a certain way to eat ( like a low carb keto etc.)
And what always astounds me, is when they give tons and tons of evidence based on how super complex the body is and how it handles, sugar, carbs, fat, proteins, on a molecular level and so on
I remain amazed, they do not make the connection....
The body is soooooooo sooooo sooooo super complex that there is zero chance in happened to come about as a cosmic accident over a zillion years!
I always think of one of my 'go to' verses
[smear:#e67e19]I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. Psalm 139:14[/smear:#19e691:0]
That is just one small example of what people actually know ( but instead ) [smear:#19661e] 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, Romans 1:21,22[/smear:#e619bc:0]
Sin blinds people, no matter, what environment they are in, the worst, or the best situation.
In fact, a good situation or even a politician ( who is Christian or more moral than most) only makes sinners angry, because the Christian may be stepping on their favorite sins. So when God Himself is ruling.
You might 'hope' that a thousand years in 'prison', might have given the devil a chance to think, and change his ways and beg for mercy..... but no.... he is more angry and evil than ever.
And he comes out to deceive the nations ( of sinners)
I think I should make mention of the use of the 4 'corners' of the earth. Unbelievers like to point out the 'ignorance' of the Bible, and this is one of the many things they point out.
But really this is 'figurative' language that is just a way, to indicate the four main compass directions (N,E,S,W) ( how come there is no roll eyes smiley LOL) And no, the people of the Biblical times did not think the earth was a square It is to say, the devil s influence is global.
Nothing externally tho, will change men ( or the devil). Deceiving men, is what Satan's whole career is based on, and so punishment did not change him, he did not have a change of heart, but only increased in his fury.
And so the unsaved rebellious people are deceived. People have been deceived since the garden, and they will be then as well.
Remember when Jesus died....the people Chose a murderer instead of Christ!!!
Also to be noted:
The name given to the army of rebels and its leader at the end of the Millennium... they represents the ancient enemy that descended on the people of God.
The name Gog first appears as a descendant of Joel: [smear:#e68b19] 4 The sons of Joel: Shemaiah his son, Gog his son,.... 1 Chronicles 5:4[/smear:#19e675:0]
Magog was the grandson of Noah. Magog was the second son of Japheth.
Who ever they will be, Satan the deceiver will gather them together. Their number being like the sands of the sea is hyperbole ( an exaggeration as a rhetorical device) To mean a LOT!! It is a massive number or amount. and not a mathematical equivalent to the precise number of grains of sand.
So apparently there has been a lot of being fruitful and multiplying going on.... a veritable a population explosion.
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Post by Cindy on May 18, 2020 10:58:38 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy....yesterday was both a bad day health wise and so not so good with the Bible study....
So thank you for the corrections and additions!!!
but... then .... by the afternoon, I felt better
and
took all 3 kids on a mile walk....
I still felt good
and gardened for 1/2 an hour (or more...I tend to lose track of time when gardening.....I always say to myself.....ohhhhh I will just do this one last thing and stop.....go do the one 'last' thing, but see something else just a 'little' one second thing to do only it actually is longer....usually a LOT longer and often leads to just 1 more wee little thing to do....
then, I talked ( standing) to about 3 different people outside.... for about 1/2 hour each
I suspect, you already know exactly what this lead too :(
Such a extreme neck and backache...then and now
well, thankful God made it cloudy today, so I won't get fooled ( or be the fool) and try again to do too much too soon!! You did a LOT!!!! That's amazing Barbara! I'm so glad that you were able to do all that. It must have felt great at the time. But I hear you about paying the consequences. That's no fun for sure. I hope you're feeling better by now. We got some things done around here on Thursday and Friday, but I've been paying for it ever since. Plus, I think I have a yeast infection which isn't helping. The kids were here yesterday after Church (on line lol). We had picked up some much bigger kites for them. These were made of fabric and were 44 inches long (or wide - depending on the kite lol). I'd also grabbed the game called Life for them too. So we played the game and I won for a change , then Jennifer, my daughter, made tacos and burritos for us all for dinner. They were really good! By then though my back was hurting so badly that I'd taken two extra doses of morphine and it was still killing me. So I had to take yet another one along with flexeril, and that finally brought it down to a dull roar. So today I'm not going to do anything that requires standing or walking. I've got to get the pain under control.
Today I am looking at chapter 20
[smear:#8219e6] Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. 2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
Revelation 20:1-3[/smear:#e619b3:0]
Satan will be put in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years. This 'seems' like, it will, or should be, an ideal situation for mankind.
And I do think it will be basically the utopia, mankind has been yearning for ( and why so many fell for the Anti-Christ, ... they thought he was going to usher in the peaceful utopia.
But, it won't be until Jesus ( God....the Son reigns).... and everyone who entered in, they will all will be, believers , at first
Even the animals will be at peace with one another
However there, is a super sad downside....
The believers who entered in, will have children, and not all of their children, will except Jesus, as their Lord and Savior, and be saved.
Furthermore, they will not even be able to use the excuse: The devil 'tempted me....the devil made me do it' ( not except Jesus as their Savior)
[smear:#4f72e9] 5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Genesis 6:5 [/smear:#e6197a:1]
Just an interesting side note:
(not that we should ever ever try to 'fight' Satan, we can however pray that God/Jesus/the Holy Spirit will..... and they will, and they will WIN)
But.... as powerful Satan is in comparison to we weak humans
NOTE: The angel that is called with the key and chain to seize the dragon ( pointing out how cruel he is) (the devil/Satan)...
This angel,is NOT called:
Mighty
nor
'Powerful'
nor 'Great'!
and yet , this angel , sets a seal on the devil, as a symbol of the authority he has over, this once most mighty angel of God, who has fallen so low now.
A few other instances of the Word 'sealed' in the Bible:
[smear:#524573]4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” Daniel 12:4[/smear:#b51eac:0]
A few of different kinds of 'seals':
[smear:#e85458]33 Whoever receives his (Jesus) testimony sets his seal to this, that God is true. John 3:33[/smear:#1d9274:0]
Another different type of seal
[smear:#4385ce]66 So they went and made the tomb ( Jesus's tomb) secure by sealing the stone and setting a guard. Matthew 27:66[/smear:#d8e619:0]
There are many more, but here is one last one ( for now)
[smear:#e6b219]13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13[/smear:#8919e6:0]
Also note: this is not the first time fallen angels have been Chained:
[smear:#3d3bb5]4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment. 2 Peter 2:4[/smear:#17571e:0]
Then Satan is released, for a little while, after the 1,000 years. Now he is going to find millions of sinful rebels
Still, that is not to say, Satan cannot deceive Christians, which is why James warns us:
[smear:#e65119]7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. James 4:7[/smear:#491d89:0]
and this also as an example:
[smear:#883891]3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? Acts 5:3[/smear:#e1e619:0]
Done for today ( I have no idea yet, how this turned out....since I kept falling asleep :(
Very good! I think you have a typo or else just misspoke here though: "And I do think it will be basically the utopia, mankind has been yearning for ( and why so many fell for the Anti-Christ, ... they thought he was going to usher in the peaceful utopia. But, it won't be until Jesus ( God....the Son reigns).... and everyone who entered in, they will all will be, believers , at first " Because this is the start of the Millennial Kingdom and a time when Jesus will be reigning.
The “bottomless pit” spoken of isn't the same as hell; it's the “abyss” that we saw in Rev. 9:1–2, and a few other places. Satan is not cast into hell immediately, because God still has one more task for him to perform. Instead, Satan is confined in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years. So first, Satan was cast out of heaven, and now he's cast out of earth!
The word in the original language in Rev 20:1 that is translated "bottomless pit" in some versions, is translated in Greek as "the abyss"; so either word can be used. The only word that would be wrong to use here would be the word, "hell".
Today I will look at Revelation 20: 4-6 [smear:#19e67a] 4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. Revelation 20: 4-6 [/smear:#b12de3:0]
The 1,000 kingdom is the 'earthy' kingdom God promised, and later will be the 'eternal' kingdom.
Perhaps this is a clue as to who is on the thrones: [smear:#fa8132] 18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.’ Daniel 7:18[/smear:#30e619:0]
I am thinking also the apostles
and the tribulation saints
They are are resurrected men ....not the angels.
[smear:#54b464]21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. Revelation 3:21[/smear:#df9935:0]
The thrones are the administrative, judicial, and authoritative branch.
[smear:#453093]2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 1 Corinthians 6:2[/smear:#e6b219:0]
i[smear:#167429]f we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us; 2 Timothy 2:12[/smear:#a619e6:0]
But the unbelievers will not be resurrected until the end. Those who died in the Lord, are blessed, those who did not die in Christ, are not blessed.
[smear:#9259f3]2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2[/smear:#09a79f:0]
The first resurrection is the earliest and the most important ( and the one all believers want to be in). However, I think, the word 'first', can include Jesus resurrection as the first and also: OT saints those who are taken in the rapture those from the tribulation basically all believers
and the 2nd resurrection are the unbelievers.
Done for today
Good! Here's some more information about this:
The Tribulation martyrs will be raised from the dead & given glorious thrones & rewards. The church will share in this reign, as symbolized by the 24 elders (Rev. 5:10;*). Some believe that the OT saints will also be a part of this “1st resurrection” (Dan. 12:1–4). The phrase “general resurrection” is not found in the Bible. On the contrary, the Bible teaches 2 resurrections: the 1st is of the saved & leads to blessing; the 2nd is of all the lost & leads to judgment (note especially John 5:28–29; Dan. 12:2). These 2 resurrections will be separated by 1,000 years. The saints will reign with Christ as kings & priests, & will serve Him in various capacities during the Millennium. Our faithfulness to Him today will determine the extent of our glorious responsibilities during the kingdom age. The Bible exposition commentary
The fact that John could see them implies that they had received intermediate bodies in heaven & were awaiting their resurrections. A distinction should be made between what John saw & what he received as revelation. Though he could see the souls, he was informed that they had been beheaded because they had refused to worship the beast or his image & would not receive his mark. What John saw was not all the souls in heaven but a particular generation of martyred dead who had been contemporaneous with the world ruler, the beast out of the sea (13:1). Their coming to life suggests that they will be given resurrected bodies. If the church were raptured prior to this event, as premillenarians teach, it would make sense to single out these martyred dead for resurrection. But if the church were not raptured, it would be most unusual to ignore all the martyrs of preceding generations, the church as a whole, & to specify this relatively small group. The Bible Knowledge commentary
the souls of those who had been beheaded. These are tribulation martyrs. The Gr. word translated “beheaded” became a general term for execution, not necessarily a particular method. Tribulation martyrs will be executed for refusing the mark of the beast. reigned. Tribulation believers, along with the redeemed from both the OT and NT eras, will reign with Christ (1 Cor 6:2; 2 Tim 2:12) during the 1,000 year kingdom. The rest of the dead. The bodies of unbelievers of all ages will not be resurrected until the Great White Throne Judgment. first resurrection. Scripture teaches two kinds of resurrections: the “resurrection of life” and the “resurrection of judgment”. The first kind of resurrection is described as “the resurrection of the righteous” (Luke 14:14), the resurrection of “those who are Christ’s at His coming” (1 Cor 15:23), and the “better resurrection” (Heb 11:35). It includes only the redeemed of the church age (1 Thess 4:13–18), the OT (Dan 12:2), and the Tribulation (v. 4). They will enter the kingdom in resurrection bodies, along with believers who survived the Tribulation. The second kind of resurrection, then, will be the resurrection of the unconverted who will receive their final bodies suited for torment in hell. The MacArthur study Bible
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Post by fearnot on May 18, 2020 12:54:10 GMT -5
Thank you as always for corrections and additions!! :)
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Post by Cindy on May 19, 2020 9:11:38 GMT -5
No problem. I don't see anything from yesterday, so I'll be back tomorrow, God willing.
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Post by fearnot on May 19, 2020 9:17:21 GMT -5
NOTE:
How strange.....I did this yesterday.....and today it was not here at all not even the draft!! I was telling Leonard that I must have finished and was so tired, I just X it out, instead of posting. So he said, well did you look in the computer's history? And I did and Lo and Behold.....there it was and so now here it is
so it will seem like I am posting twice today but this is actually yesterdays
However, last night there was a ton of 'drama' and so I got very very little sleep so hopefully I can do something and stay awake a bit.
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At the end of the 1,000 years Satan is released, and goes right back to his old tricks of lies and deception.
[smear:#7bd036]7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.[/smear:#e61930:0]
He gathers together all the rebellious that were born during this time. It is kind of hard to believe there will be some, because Jesus is ruling, there are no demons or satan to influence, it will be the most moral society they are born into.... and yet.... sadly, even tho all their parents will be believers, the parents still posses a sin nature And so pass it on to the children, many of which them become rebels. And so, even in the best environment possible, they still choose their sins. I think, many people have thought: What chance to young people have today? There are waaaay toooo many temptations, and so they cannot help but choose sin
However, this proves that is not really the case. Even in a blissful perfect ( no wars, no demons, etc etc.) environment, sinners still sin, and will choose their sin, over Jesus. [smear:#e64519] 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Romans 8:7[/smear:#3dac87:0]
It is not that they do not know Jesus is God ( they can see Him, they know what He can and does do, they can hear Him, they know His love and mercy towards them etc.).
so God allows the devil to bring all these rebels together....so it is perfectly clear, who and what they are, and that God is just in destroying them.
There was a time ( and even now, I sometimes fall into the trap of thinking) that people just do not have enough evidence to believe in God.... however, that is a misleading trap it is not about the evidence or lack of ( tho that too is a lie....there IS enough evidence) but its about sinners loving their sin.
[smear:#cb568f]19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19,20[/smear:#57a7b7:0]
I can't help but point out, the so called 'science' of 'evolution'
Do people really really want to examine if it is rational, logical, scientific 'FACT"? Or is it a carefully crafted excuse?
I sometimes listen to various people on youtube, who will give tons and tons, of science journals etc. as evidence, for a certain way to eat ( like a low carb keto etc.)
And what always astounds me, is when they give tons and tons of evidence based on how super complex the body is and how it handles, sugar, carbs, fat, proteins, on a molecular level and so on
I remain amazed, they do not make the connection....
The body is soooooooo sooooo sooooo super complex that there is zero chance in happened to come about as a cosmic accident over a zillion years!
I always think of one of my 'go to' verses
[smear:#e67e19]I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. Psalm 139:14[/smear:#19e691:0]
That is just one small example of what people actually know ( but instead ) [smear:#19661e] 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, Romans 1:21,22[/smear:#e619bc:0]
Sin blinds people, no matter, what environment they are in, the worst, or the best situation.
In fact, a good situation or even a politician ( who is Christian or more moral than most) only makes sinners angry, because the Christian may be stepping on their favorite sins. So when God Himself is ruling.
You might 'hope' that a thousand years in 'prison', might have given the devil a chance to think, and change his ways and beg for mercy..... but no.... he is more angry and evil than ever.
And he comes out to deceive the nations ( of sinners)
I think I should make mention of the use of the 4 'corners' of the earth. Unbelievers like to point out the 'ignorance' of the Bible, and this is one of the many things they point out.
But really this is 'figurative' language that is just a way, to indicate the four main compass directions (N,E,S,W) ( how come there is no roll eyes smiley LOL) And no, the people of the Biblical times did not think the earth was a square It is to say, the devil s influence is global.
Nothing externally tho, will change men ( or the devil). Deceiving men, is what Satan's whole career is based on, and so punishment did not change him, he did not have a change of heart, but only increased in his fury.
And so the unsaved rebellious people are deceived. People have been deceived since the garden, and they will be then as well.
Remember when Jesus died....the people Chose a murderer instead of Christ!!!
Also to be noted:
The name given to the army of rebels and its leader at the end of the Millennium... they represents the ancient enemy that descended on the people of God.
The name Gog first appears as a descendant of Joel: [smear:#e68b19] 4 The sons of Joel: Shemaiah his son, Gog his son,.... 1 Chronicles 5:4[/smear:#19e675:0]
Magog was the grandson of Noah. Magog was the second son of Japheth.
Who ever they will be, Satan the deceiver will gather them together. Their number being like the sands of the sea is hyperbole ( an exaggeration as a rhetorical device) To mean a LOT!! It is a massive number or amount. and not a mathematical equivalent to the precise number of grains of sand.
So apparently there has been a lot of being fruitful and multiplying going on.... a veritable a population explosion.
Done for today.
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Post by fearnot on May 19, 2020 9:37:38 GMT -5
And now the very last war.
[smear:#23e619]9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:9,10 [/smear:#055170:0]
The earth's topography has changed and reconfigured vastly during the tribulation, so that much of it is flat. There are hills, and even at least one 'mountain' on which Jerusalem exists. But mostly it has been flattened out and is a broad plain.
The camp of the saints is like a military encampment, but also of the camp of Israel .
As mentioned yesterday, the source of rebellion against God, is not because of man’s environment or the devil , but rather from deep within man’s own sin filled wicked heart.
The King James version calls it 'desperately wicked, and ESV says this:
[smear:#aa06f3]The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? Jeremiah 17:9[/smear:#74f708:0]
And this last gathering, proves mankind cannot vanquish sin apart from God’s power. The unsaved say they want peace, and love, and they want it in the government but this mad rush away from just such a government, and towards evil will prove once and for all, the lie, hypocrisy, and evil sinful nature of man.
And so deceived by their own heart and Satan, the engage in a suicidal assault with zero chance of winning. Thus, they are physically killed by fire coming down from Heaven. And they will be tormented without relief forever, and ever and ever.
Done for today
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Post by Cindy on May 20, 2020 8:51:18 GMT -5
NOTE:
How strange.....I did this yesterday.....and today it was not here at all not even the draft!! I was telling Leonard that I must have finished and was so tired, I just X it out, instead of posting. So he said, well did you look in the computer's history? And I did and Lo and Behold.....there it was and so now here it is
so it will seem like I am posting twice today but this is actually yesterdays
However, last night there was a ton of 'drama' and so I got very very little sleep so hopefully I can do something and stay awake a bit.
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At the end of the 1,000 years Satan is released, and goes right back to his old tricks of lies and deception.
[smear:#7bd036]7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.[/smear:#e61930:0]
He gathers together all the rebellious that were born during this time. It is kind of hard to believe there will be some, because Jesus is ruling, there are no demons or satan to influence, it will be the most moral society they are born into.... and yet.... sadly, even tho all their parents will be believers, the parents still posses a sin nature And so pass it on to the children, many of which them become rebels. And so, even in the best environment possible, they still choose their sins. I think, many people have thought: What chance to young people have today? There are waaaay toooo many temptations, and so they cannot help but choose sin
However, this proves that is not really the case. Even in a blissful perfect ( no wars, no demons, etc etc.) environment, sinners still sin, and will choose their sin, over Jesus. [smear:#e64519] 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Romans 8:7[/smear:#3dac87:0]
It is not that they do not know Jesus is God ( they can see Him, they know what He can and does do, they can hear Him, they know His love and mercy towards them etc.).
so God allows the devil to bring all these rebels together....so it is perfectly clear, who and what they are, and that God is just in destroying them.
There was a time ( and even now, I sometimes fall into the trap of thinking) that people just do not have enough evidence to believe in God.... however, that is a misleading trap it is not about the evidence or lack of ( tho that too is a lie....there IS enough evidence) but its about sinners loving their sin.
[smear:#cb568f]19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19,20[/smear:#57a7b7:0]
I can't help but point out, the so called 'science' of 'evolution'
Do people really really want to examine if it is rational, logical, scientific 'FACT"? Or is it a carefully crafted excuse?
I sometimes listen to various people on youtube, who will give tons and tons, of science journals etc. as evidence, for a certain way to eat ( like a low carb keto etc.)
And what always astounds me, is when they give tons and tons of evidence based on how super complex the body is and how it handles, sugar, carbs, fat, proteins, on a molecular level and so on
I remain amazed, they do not make the connection....
The body is soooooooo sooooo sooooo super complex that there is zero chance in happened to come about as a cosmic accident over a zillion years!
I always think of one of my 'go to' verses
[smear:#e67e19]I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. Psalm 139:14[/smear:#19e691:0]
That is just one small example of what people actually know ( but instead ) [smear:#19661e] 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, Romans 1:21,22[/smear:#e619bc:0]
Sin blinds people, no matter, what environment they are in, the worst, or the best situation.
In fact, a good situation or even a politician ( who is Christian or more moral than most) only makes sinners angry, because the Christian may be stepping on their favorite sins. So when God Himself is ruling.
You might 'hope' that a thousand years in 'prison', might have given the devil a chance to think, and change his ways and beg for mercy..... but no.... he is more angry and evil than ever.
And he comes out to deceive the nations ( of sinners)
I think I should make mention of the use of the 4 'corners' of the earth. Unbelievers like to point out the 'ignorance' of the Bible, and this is one of the many things they point out.
But really this is 'figurative' language that is just a way, to indicate the four main compass directions (N,E,S,W) ( how come there is no roll eyes smiley LOL) And no, the people of the Biblical times did not think the earth was a square It is to say, the devil s influence is global.
Nothing externally tho, will change men ( or the devil). Deceiving men, is what Satan's whole career is based on, and so punishment did not change him, he did not have a change of heart, but only increased in his fury.
And so the unsaved rebellious people are deceived. People have been deceived since the garden, and they will be then as well.
Remember when Jesus died....the people Chose a murderer instead of Christ!!!
Also to be noted:
The name given to the army of rebels and its leader at the end of the Millennium... they represents the ancient enemy that descended on the people of God.
The name Gog first appears as a descendant of Joel: [smear:#e68b19] 4 The sons of Joel: Shemaiah his son, Gog his son,.... 1 Chronicles 5:4[/smear:#19e675:0]
Magog was the grandson of Noah. Magog was the second son of Japheth.
Who ever they will be, Satan the deceiver will gather them together. Their number being like the sands of the sea is hyperbole ( an exaggeration as a rhetorical device) To mean a LOT!! It is a massive number or amount. and not a mathematical equivalent to the precise number of grains of sand.
So apparently there has been a lot of being fruitful and multiplying going on.... a veritable a population explosion.
Done for today.
Very Good! I want to note too that the Battle here is very similar to the one in Ezekiel 38-39, but there are differences. The differences show us that the battle in Ezekiel will most likely occur either before the Tribulation or at the beginning of it; while this battle comes at the end of the Millennial Kingdom.
I think we're all amazed that there could still be such horrible sin during the Millennial Kingdom, and that anyone would even consider turning against the Lord. But they do. It again makes us realize how totally insane sin really is, and yet how completely our sin natures are addicted to it. Jesus wasn't kidding when He told us that we were slaves to sin, and seeing this happen will surely make us all understand that completely.
I find it interesting too that the people who live through the Millennium will see and know many of us who will no longer have a sin nature. On top of that, Satan will have been locked away so that neither he or his demons can tempt anyone to sin. So the people living during this time sees what it's like to have no sin nature; and doesn't have to deal with Satan or demons. They only have to deal with their own sin nature and the world. Yet that will be more then enough to cause billions of people to actually want Satan released and who want to belong to him instead of Jesus! I think this is an important lesson that God wants us to learn from. It will show us in no uncertain terms that the only reason we're saved is because of God's great love, mercy and grace toward us.
And now the very last war.
[smear:#23e619]9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:9,10 [/smear:#055170:0]
The earth's topography has changed and reconfigured vastly during the tribulation, so that much of it is flat. There are hills, and even at least one 'mountain' on which Jerusalem exists. But mostly it has been flattened out and is a broad plain.
The camp of the saints is like a military encampment, but also of the camp of Israel .
As mentioned yesterday, the source of rebellion against God, is not because of man’s environment or the devil , but rather from deep within man’s own sin filled wicked heart.
The King James version calls it 'desperately wicked, and ESV says this:
[smear:#aa06f3]The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? Jeremiah 17:9[/smear:#74f708:0]
And this last gathering, proves mankind cannot vanquish sin apart from God’s power. The unsaved say they want peace, and love, and they want it in the government but this mad rush away from just such a government, and towards evil will prove once and for all, the lie, hypocrisy, and evil sinful nature of man.
And so deceived by their own heart and Satan, the engage in a suicidal assault with zero chance of winning. Thus, they are physically killed by fire coming down from Heaven. And they will be tormented without relief forever, and ever and ever.
Done for today
Good! Yes, the camp of God's people, or the camp of the saints as some versions call it, is simply the city of Jerusalem. “They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.” (Revelation 20:9) Jerusalem has always been and always will be "the city that He loves". He shows us this all through the Bible...
“For the LORD has chosen Zion, he has desired it for his dwelling:” (Psalm 132:13) “the LORD loves the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. Glorious things are said of you, O city of God:Selah” (Psalm 87:2–3) “But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,” (Hebrews 12:22)
You said it very well. It's not easy to think about the fact that such a huge number will willfully choose evil over good and Satan over God, but we need to consider it, so we can know ourselves better. Because of our sin nature, we have a tendency after we are saved, to think of ourselves as good, and unbelievers as bad. We also have a tendency to expect unbelievers to act like a believer, even though we know that's impossible. We know that the only reason we can refrain from sin (when we do) is because of what Jesus has done to change our hearts and make us new. We know others can't do right because they haven't been changed, and yet we expect it of them.
And we get that holier then thou attitude as well. (Some more so then others, but we all do it to some extent.) I see it in myself in how I've spoken about people who are into the transgender thing or homosexuality, among other things. I've spoken as though they're so evil and I'm so good because I'd never consider doing that sin! But then the Lord reminds me of my sins and that no sin is worse then any other sin, the wages of the tiniest sin is death, and the wages of the worst sin is death. Then I repent and ask His forgiveness, but eventually discover myself doing it yet again in different circumstances. When we really allow ourselves to realize just how evil we really are and would be if our precious Lord hadn't saved us and changed us, we are humbled as we realize that our salvation was all a very precious gift from God and that nothing we did, or said, or thought had any influence on our salvation; that we really were slaves to sin and slaves to Satan, and had absolutely no way to win our freedom....in fact, we really didn't even want to be free! Not until our Lord touched our heart and caused us to want to know Him, and not until He poured His love into our hearts so we could love Him, were we finally able to want to be free. Then as the Lord taught us the truth, we found that we were finally, really free! We were no longer slaves. Now we had a choice. Yes, we sometimes still choose to sin. Overcoming a lifetime of sin isn't even possible without the Lord's help, but with His help, each time we repent we're a little closer to our goal. And one day the Lord will complete our salvation and take away our sin nature completely and give us a perfect body at the same time. Our blessed Hope! I can't wait!
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Post by fearnot on May 20, 2020 11:04:30 GMT -5
Totally loved your addition! Thank you.
And, yes, I do all the things you mentioned, maybe even more!!
Our neighbor, ( the one I have talked to you about before). Sent her 8 year old to go live with her mom ( not sure if it is forever or not, but sounds like.... maybe).
She has had several other room mates, since I last talked about the situation now she has a couple moved in.....
So right there is where I have been 'guilty'
But now...
she works at the pot store, and the other day they ( she and her roomies)
were all outside getting high, but.... Hossanah's and Brian's children were out
( and the neighbor and new roomies, were less than 3 feet away from the kids getting high, and never mind the fact, of the virus also).
Hossanah had the children go back in the house.
But again, I was expecting the unsaved to be more 'responsible' etc.
Hossanah has been diligent in making sure the kids don't ever breath in 2nd hand smoke for her tobacco cigarettes, and tho,
I don't know if pot has the same 2nd hand smoke issues or not?
She would rather not have the kids watch people getting high as if it were no big deal....
but then, to our neighbors..... that what it is.... no big deal.
So yeah, still struggling with a lot of the unsaved neighbor's issues.... and trying to maintain a Christ like loving attitude...
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Post by fearnot on May 20, 2020 11:34:27 GMT -5
Now comes the Great White Throne Judgment:
[smear:#5be619] 11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. Revelation 20:11,12[/smear:#e61982:0]
God is sitting on the throne as judge. In this trial, the is absolutely zero need for evidence, about if, the sinners are innocence... they are not, they are guilty.
This reminds us of Daniel:
“[smear:#eb3206] 9 As I looked,
thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took his seat; his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames; its wheels were burning fire. 10 A stream of fire issued and came out from before him; a thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him; the court sat in judgment, and the books were opened. Daniel 7:9,10[/smear:#199be6:0]
and this verse:
[smear:#cbd04c]But the Lord sits enthroned forever; he has established his throne for justice, Psalms 9:7[/smear:#07ca6e:0]
This is the very last courtroom ever, and God will never act as judge again. Only instead of the Father as judge it will be Jesus:
[smear:#e619be]22 For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. John 5 :22[/smear:#19e62b:0]
And we recall these words.......:
[smear:#f09b06]35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. Matthew 24:35[/smear:#e61958:0]
When we read: From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
And we also can remember this verse:
[smear:#9c2871]7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 2 Peter 3:7[/smear:#379119:0]
Sadly the devil had his hand in convincing both great and small, young and old, rich and poor that they can live any way they want and not to worry over fairy tales and myths of a day of accounting, and future punishment, there will be no sentencing to Hell for all eternity! They have the 'truth' of Atheism and evolution, they don't believe in the foolishness of a 'Creator, Savior and Judge etc. but these are all lies of the devil!!
However, this 'comic accident 'of the 'big bang', the entire universe has disintegrated, because the whole universe had been polluted and cursed by sin. This universe was never made to last.
I think Pastor John MacArthur said it best:
"if you think we’re messing it ( the earth) up, wait until you see what God does to it".
The subatomic elements are going to disassemble themselves, they are are going to be un-created.
[smear:#19e69b] “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind. Isaiah 65:17 [/smear:#e619b2:0]
The use for this earth and this universe is over.
[smear:#f3a905]13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. 2 Peter 3:13[/smear:#7919e6:0]
All I can say, is who in their right mind would want to stand condemned before God?
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Post by fearnot on May 21, 2020 14:48:10 GMT -5
There are 2 resurrections one is unto life and the other is a resurrection unto damnation.... we are looking at the 2nd one, the one unto damnation.
[smear:#1943e6]13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Revelation 20:13[/smear:#61e619:0]
So these are the ungodly sinner throughout human history.
We ( I) have studied a bit of Revelation with this verse in mind
[smear:#9135c1]3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. Revelation 1:3[/smear:#338182:0]
Many Christians do not study this book in the Bible and therefore lose out on the blessing....one being Jesus is coming again, and it may be sooner than we think.
Before the ocean ( sea) was un-created ( before the old universe is dissolved) it gave up the lost sinners.... to be justly judged. so many have died in the sea.....and that would include all of those who died in Noah's flood.
And also all the other places tht hold the unrighteous will give up the dead, to be judged by a righteous and Holy God.
[smear:#49b475]25 Far be it from you to do such a thing, to put the righteous to death with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?” Genesis 18:25[/smear:#2dac5e:0]
I think it's true that God will give them, what they have actually chosen.
And they are judged according to their unrighteous deeds. People will have the record of their works held up against the Holy and perfect standard. of God:
[smear:#2fc07f]48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew 5:48 [/smear:#9a47c7:0]
of course, this is a standard, no human can reach ( and it includes thoughts as well).....which is why, we need a Savior, but they chose to hate Him.
There will be a greater and a lesser degrees of condemnation, based on their thoughts and deeds in life.
Sorry this is so short....just keep falling asleep today arrggghhh
done for today
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Post by Cindy on May 22, 2020 9:59:04 GMT -5
Totally loved your addition! Thank you.
And, yes, I do all the things you mentioned, maybe even more!!
Our neighbor, ( the one I have talked to you about before). Sent her 8 year old to go live with her mom ( not sure if it is forever or not, but sounds like.... maybe).
She has had several other room mates, since I last talked about the situation now she has a couple moved in.....
So right there is where I have been 'guilty'
But now...
she works at the pot store, and the other day they ( she and her roomies)
were all outside getting high, but.... Hossanah's and Brian's children were out
( and the neighbor and new roomies, were less than 3 feet away from the kids getting high, and never mind the fact, of the virus also).
Hossanah had the children go back in the house.
But again, I was expecting the unsaved to be more 'responsible' etc.
Hossanah has been diligent in making sure the kids don't ever breath in 2nd hand smoke for her tobacco cigarettes, and tho,
I don't know if pot has the same 2nd hand smoke issues or not?
She would rather not have the kids watch people getting high as if it were no big deal....
but then, to our neighbors..... that what it is.... no big deal.
So yeah, still struggling with a lot of the unsaved neighbor's issues.... and trying to maintain a Christ like loving attitude...
I'm not sure what you meant when you said: "now she has a couple moved in..... So right there is where I have been 'guilty'" Do you mean you're guilty of expecting her to act like someone who's saved? If so, I can certainly relate to that. It's almost automatic at times, or so it seems. Amazing how our sin nature can try to turn something good, (or salvation) into something bad, isn't it? But, in another way, God then turns that right back around to something good, by having that humble us and cause us to ask their forgiveness when it's been something that we've been vocal about to them. And so God wins yet again, lol.
That's awful that they would smoke that garbage in front of the children! I'm so glad your daughter had the kids go inside. It figures though that they would want to flaunt their sin. Actually pot smoke is even worse then tobacco smoke, so I'm glad she is keeping them away from it.
I can see that it would be difficult to live in that environment, in fact, without Christ, it would be impossible. But thankfully, our God really is alive and really does help us. All we have to do is ask. Sometimes I've wondered if He puts us in situations at times just to get us used to asking Him for help constantly.
Now comes the Great White Throne Judgment:
[smear:#5be619] 11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. Revelation 20:11,12[/smear:#e61982:0]
God is sitting on the throne as judge. In this trial, the is absolutely zero need for evidence, about if, the sinners are innocence... they are not, they are guilty.
This reminds us of Daniel:
“[smear:#eb3206] 9 As I looked,
thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took his seat; his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames; its wheels were burning fire. 10 A stream of fire issued and came out from before him; a thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him; the court sat in judgment, and the books were opened. Daniel 7:9,10[/smear:#199be6:0]
and this verse:
[smear:#cbd04c]But the Lord sits enthroned forever; he has established his throne for justice, Psalms 9:7[/smear:#07ca6e:0]
This is the very last courtroom ever, and God will never act as judge again. Only instead of the Father as judge it will be Jesus:
[smear:#e619be]22 For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. John 5 :22[/smear:#19e62b:0]
And we recall these words.......:
[smear:#f09b06]35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. Matthew 24:35[/smear:#e61958:0]
When we read: From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
And we also can remember this verse:
[smear:#9c2871]7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 2 Peter 3:7[/smear:#379119:0]
Sadly the devil had his hand in convincing both great and small, young and old, rich and poor that they can live any way they want and not to worry over fairy tales and myths of a day of accounting, and future punishment, there will be no sentencing to Hell for all eternity! They have the 'truth' of Atheism and evolution, they don't believe in the foolishness of a 'Creator, Savior and Judge etc. but these are all lies of the devil!!
However, this 'comic accident 'of the 'big bang', the entire universe has disintegrated, because the whole universe had been polluted and cursed by sin. This universe was never made to last.
I think Pastor John MacArthur said it best:
"if you think we’re messing it ( the earth) up, wait until you see what God does to it".
The subatomic elements are going to disassemble themselves, they are are going to be un-created.
[smear:#19e69b] “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind. Isaiah 65:17 [/smear:#e619b2:0]
The use for this earth and this universe is over.
[smear:#f3a905]13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. 2 Peter 3:13[/smear:#7919e6:0]
All I can say, is who in their right mind would want to stand condemned before God?
Done for today
Well said! And that's just it... no one in their "right mind" would want to stand condemned before God. Sadly, when Adam and Eve sinned, their minds and consciences became corrupted and that's been passed down through the ages to every single person ever born. Therefore no one is in their "right mind" until Jesus comes and saves them. Only God can take a mind and conscience that's totally corrupted and remake it into a sound mind. He tells us that He does that through His Word. That's yet another reason why He wants us to be in His Word daily. We need that daily "fix" to keep our mind and conscience from giving way to corruption again. However, we fight against having to be in His Word daily from the very start - to our own detriment of course. To me it just shows yet again how insane sin is.
There are 2 resurrections one is unto life and the other is a resurrection unto damnation.... we are looking at the 2nd one, the one unto damnation.
[smear:#1943e6]13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Revelation 20:13[/smear:#61e619:0]
So these are the ungodly sinner throughout human history.
We ( I) have studied a bit of Revelation with this verse in mind
[smear:#9135c1]3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. Revelation 1:3[/smear:#338182:0]
Many Christians do not study this book in the Bible and therefore lose out on the blessing....one being Jesus is coming again, and it may be sooner than we think.
Before the ocean ( sea) was un-created ( before the old universe is dissolved) it gave up the lost sinners.... to be justly judged. so many have died in the sea.....and that would include all of those who died in Noah's flood.
And also all the other places tht hold the unrighteous will give up the dead, to be judged by a righteous and Holy God.
[smear:#49b475]25 Far be it from you to do such a thing, to put the righteous to death with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?” Genesis 18:25[/smear:#2dac5e:0]
I think it's true that God will give them, what they have actually chosen.
And they are judged according to their unrighteous deeds. People will have the record of their works held up against the Holy and perfect standard. of God:
[smear:#2fc07f]48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew 5:48 [/smear:#9a47c7:0]
of course, this is a standard, no human can reach ( and it includes thoughts as well).....which is why, we need a Savior, but they chose to hate Him.
There will be a greater and a lesser degrees of condemnation, based on their thoughts and deeds in life.
Sorry this is so short....just keep falling asleep today arrggghhh
done for today
Sort but still sweet! Yes, people are in themselves incapable of attaining the standard of holiness that God has in Himself, but God knew that and gave us a way to do so. All we had to do was say yes to Jesus, but 95 -99% of the population says "no" instead. Truly, only a few are saved when seen compared to the huge number of people who refused God's gift. Yet, when we just look at the number of the saved by themselves, it is a number so large that no one can even count that high! That's astounding really!
Many people are confused when they read about hades giving up it's dead, mainly because the KJV often uses the term "hell" in place of hades. For example, both the 1873 KJV, the 1600, and the NKJV translate this verse like this: And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 20:13 In the over 25 versions I looked at, only one other version used the word hell, all the rest used the word "hades". Let me quote MacArthur to help us understand this better: Death and Hades are essentially synonyms, but death is the condition and Hades, equivalent to the OT Sheol, the place of the dead (see note on 20:13). Christ decides who lives, who dies, and when. Both terms describe the state of death. All unrighteous dead will appear at the Great White Throne Judgment; none will escape. All the places that have held the bodies of the unrighteous dead will yield up new bodies suited for hell. The MacArthur study Bible. So if neither of those terms describe hell, what term does? The Word hell isn't really used in the Bible, at least not in the way we use the term. Hell, what Hell really is, is described as the Lake of Fire. As MacArthur says: The Lake of Fire is hell, the place of eternal punishment for all unrepentant rebels, angelic or human.
Another thing that sounds strange to us is the concept of a "second death". The first death is only physical. It's the one where our current body dies and is one we all experience. The second death is spiritual and eternal in the lake of fire, which is hell. It's interesting that although everyone who experiences the second death will be alive and experiencing the agonies of hell, it's so bad that God doesn't even call it a life; instead He calls it a death. We might say it's a living death.
“And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” (Revelation 20:10) “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:15) “he, too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.”” (Revelation 14:10–11) ““As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:40–42) ““Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” (Matthew 25:41) “His winnowing fork is in his hand to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”” (Luke 3:17) ““That servant who knows his master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.” (Luke 12:47–48)
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Post by fearnot on May 22, 2020 12:03:51 GMT -5
thank you again so much for your added info. Today also will most likely be 'short-ish' We are taking Hossanah to work and I am not sure if this will be a late day for Brian, which means ( if so) that he and Hossanah will not get back until 5:30 or later.
Things will only be getting worse, as Seaside council voted to open up all the hotels ( so Brains work supplying fish to all the restaurants, and hotels etc. is going to increase dramatically and the company he works for only has a skeleton crew ( not sure how many they will hire back etc.....at the moment Brain is actually doing the work of about 5-6 employees.....including driving a delivery truck to all the places up and down the coast.
But a sad but funny story of how fuzzy my brain is lately. Just 2 small examples..... last night at dinner Leonard needed some napkins..... I was going to get my kindle that was charging and my new headphones so I said I would also get him some napkins
( was it a 'fuzzy' brain or just my usually self-centered self :( So I came back with 'my' stuff LOL I did go get his napkins. Then.... for dessert he asked for 3 tiny brownies and I was going for a small piece of dark chocolate
I came back with 'my' chocolate sigh! Yup I did go back and get his dessert
But that is just two little examples of a whole day.......
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Post by fearnot on May 22, 2020 12:11:08 GMT -5
Now we come to the last verses in chapter 20.
[smear:#f3f20b]14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14,15[/smear:#e6192f:0]
The 2nd death is only experienced by the unsaved. To date only 2 humans (Enoch and Elijah) have escaped death and so will those who will go in the rapture... We are reminded of this verse:
[smear:#dc19e6]2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2[/smear:#31e619:0]
But the 2nd death is not a physical death but a spiritual one.
So death is the bodies of those unsaved who died and Hades ( as explained by Cindy in her last great post) is the place where they were held until judgment day.
Once this final judgment occurs, there will be no more Hades, because both the unsaved humans and fallen angels will be in the lake of fire. Likewise there will be no more 'death' as all will have died.
For the believer this will be these joyful verses:
[smear:#ae14a0]54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.” 55 “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” 1 Corinthians 15:54,55[/smear:#e66319:0]
God has a book with the names of all those that are His ( saved believers).
And so.... [smear:#339e4a] 20 Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.” Luke 10:20[/smear:#e6196e:0]
And another one of my favorite verses: [smear:#19e655] 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” Revelation 21:4[/smear:#9119e6:0]
Well, this is very short indeed I could work on it more tomorrow but I 'think' when you reply you will add a goodly amount so tomorrow I may just start on Chapter 21.
Done for today
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