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Post by fearnot on Apr 15, 2020 13:21:12 GMT -5
[smear:#5f9451]13 And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. 14 For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. Revelation 16:13,14 [/smear:#e61961:0]
I have got to say, this vision is a pretty creepy and gross image....just like you might see in a horror movie! Gross! Icky! Yucky!
So to break it down as best I can,
( you can jump in any time Cindy LOL)
The dragon is symbolic of the devil, Satan, and the beast, is the anti-Christ, and the false prophet is exactly that, the false prophet.
They are the counterfeit trinity of God ( God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit)
So they are the unholy trinity of Satan, Antichrist, and the false prophet.
And out of their mouths come unclean spirits like slimy frogs, because words have great influence.
Just thinking about scripture and the importance of words:
[smear:#1eb5b1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1[/smear:#cd19e6:0]
[smear:#7d1a60]"....................he upholds the universe by the word of his power............... Hebrews 1:3[/smear:#19e63f:0]
So whats with the frog symbolism...perhaps this:
[smear:#2e873f]“These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat. 10 But anything in the seas or the rivers that does not have fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. 11 You shall regard them as detestable; you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses. 12 Everything in the waters that does not have fins and scales is detestable to you. Leviticus 11:9-12[/smear:#e6197a:0]
and we also we recall the plague of frogs in Egypt.
But in any case these are really the spirit of demons, ( slimy, cold-blooded, loathsome beings)
spreading lies and deception, persuasive and deceptive lies and they also use magic and chicanery, and are demonically energized....
they will convince the "kings", their armies, and the whole world, leading humanity to an unconditional commitment to the cause of evil...
to gather in Israel to fight against the second coming of Jesus.
We are reminded of these verses: [smear:#044fa3] 19 And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; 20 and the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said one thing, and another said another. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ 22 And the Lord said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’ 23 Now therefore behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has declared disaster for you.” 1 kings 22:19-23[/smear:#8b041d:0]
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Post by Cindy on Apr 16, 2020 7:56:35 GMT -5
[smear:#5f9451]13 And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. 14 For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. Revelation 16:13,14 [/smear:#e61961:0]
I have got to say, this vision is a pretty creepy and gross image....just like you might see in a horror movie! Gross! Icky! Yucky!
So to break it down as best I can,
( you can jump in any time Cindy LOL)
The dragon is symbolic of the devil, Satan, and the beast, is the anti-Christ, and the false prophet is exactly that, the false prophet.
They are the counterfeit trinity of God ( God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit)
So they are the unholy trinity of Satan, Antichrist, and the false prophet.
And out of their mouths come unclean spirits like slimy frogs, because words have great influence.
Just thinking about scripture and the importance of words:
[smear:#1eb5b1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1[/smear:#cd19e6:0]
[smear:#7d1a60]"....................he upholds the universe by the word of his power............... Hebrews 1:3[/smear:#19e63f:0]
So whats with the frog symbolism...perhaps this:
[smear:#2e873f]“These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat. 10 But anything in the seas or the rivers that does not have fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. 11 You shall regard them as detestable; you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses. 12 Everything in the waters that does not have fins and scales is detestable to you. Leviticus 11:9-12[/smear:#e6197a:0]
and we also we recall the plague of frogs in Egypt.
But in any case these are really the spirit of demons, ( slimy, cold-blooded, loathsome beings)
spreading lies and deception, persuasive and deceptive lies and they also use magic and chicanery, and are demonically energized....
they will convince the "kings", their armies, and the whole world, leading humanity to an unconditional commitment to the cause of evil...
to gather in Israel to fight against the second coming of Jesus.
We are reminded of these verses: [smear:#044fa3] 19 And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; 20 and the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said one thing, and another said another. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ 22 And the Lord said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’ 23 Now therefore behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has declared disaster for you.” 1 kings 22:19-23[/smear:#8b041d:0]
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Very good! But you might want to consider leaving out the part about words being important. You're right, they are important, but when I was reading what you wrote, it sounded at first as though you were saying that these weren't really demons but instead were just symbolic for our words being important, and honestly that has nothing to do with these demons and what they're going to do.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 16, 2020 10:59:55 GMT -5
Opps! Thank you Cindy....no I did NOT want to give that impression. I actually fell asleep several times while writing....
I have not had that problem for a long time, and now it is back ( at least for this past week).
So if you catch any more writing mistakes please say so.....
and thank you again.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 16, 2020 12:03:50 GMT -5
[smear:#196d6d](“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”) 16 And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. Revelation 16:15,16[/smear:#9519e6:0]
We were told by Paul concerning this war with God that: [smear:#e019e6] 2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 [/smear:#19e679:0]
[smear:#e6193f]The Lord utters his voice before his army, for his camp is exceedingly great; he who executes his word is powerful. For the day of the Lord is great and very awesome; who can endure it? Joel 2:11[/smear:#1b1071:0]
I am thinking the warning to stay awake, is more for us, than the tribulation believers still alive in the last 3 1/2 years. But actually staying awake is (and has been) relevant for believers at any time throughout history. , It would be amazing tho if the tribulation believers were napping!! Since they are risking everything in order to hold true to their faith in Christ, and the conditions are so horrible for them, that they can only be longing and looking for His arrival.
Nevertheless, He will come as a thief to those not watching and waiting for Him.
However the garments spoken of are the robes of righteousness. We ( and the believers then during the tribulation) must not despair ( become impatient at what seems His delay in coming), and fall and into sin.
[smear:#e66519]28 And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming. 1 John 2:28[/smear:#a219e6:0]
Rather ( we) and the tribulation believers need to remain faithful to the Lord, they during a time of intense persecution!!
The staying awake reminds us of the ten virgins in Matthew 25. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise, five we ready, and five were not.
I think part of being 'awake' and ready, is in reading and studying the Bible daily ( unless one is so sick they cannot).
I think believers may know the 'season' ( and during the tribulation even more exact timings are given) but not the exact 'hour' of His coming
[smear:#3e778c]"40 You also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” Luke 12:40[/smear:#e61a19:0] This is not going to be a 100 year war.... no it will be over.... almost before it starts
The world thinks they can defeat God, but of course, they cannot.
Done for today Hopefully, I did not make too many errors, I am just not feeling well tired.
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Post by Cindy on Apr 17, 2020 11:59:37 GMT -5
[smear:#196d6d](“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”) 16 And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. Revelation 16:15,16[/smear:#9519e6:0]
We were told by Paul concerning this war with God that: [smear:#e019e6] 2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 [/smear:#19e679:0]
[smear:#e6193f]The Lord utters his voice before his army, for his camp is exceedingly great; he who executes his word is powerful. For the day of the Lord is great and very awesome; who can endure it? Joel 2:11[/smear:#1b1071:0]
I am thinking the warning to stay awake, is more for us, than the tribulation believers still alive in the last 3 1/2 years. But actually staying awake is (and has been) relevant for believers at any time throughout history. , It would be amazing tho if the tribulation believers were napping!! Since they are risking everything in order to hold true to their faith in Christ, and the conditions are so horrible for them, that they can only be longing and looking for His arrival.
Nevertheless, He will come as a thief to those not watching and waiting for Him.
However the garments spoken of are the robes of righteousness. We ( and the believers then during the tribulation) must not despair ( become impatient at what seems His delay in coming), and fall and into sin.
[smear:#e66519]28 And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming. 1 John 2:28[/smear:#a219e6:0]
Rather ( we) and the tribulation believers need to remain faithful to the Lord, they during a time of intense persecution!!
The staying awake reminds us of the ten virgins in Matthew 25. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise, five we ready, and five were not.
I think part of being 'awake' and ready, is in reading and studying the Bible daily ( unless one is so sick they cannot).
I think believers may know the 'season' ( and during the tribulation even more exact timings are given) but not the exact 'hour' of His coming
[smear:#3e778c]"40 You also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” Luke 12:40[/smear:#e61a19:0] This is not going to be a 100 year war.... no it will be over.... almost before it starts
The world thinks they can defeat God, but of course, they cannot.
Done for today Hopefully, I did not make too many errors, I am just not feeling well tired.
You didn't make any errors, it was very good! However, I did think it was kind of funny that you had just posted about falling asleep and this was your next verse LOL (I do not mean to imply that you're spiritually falling asleep.... it was just a play on words that I thought was funny).
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Post by fearnot on Apr 17, 2020 12:35:07 GMT -5
That was funny!! And I was so sleepy, I did not even notice it!
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Post by fearnot on Apr 17, 2020 13:01:48 GMT -5
Many people have at least heard the name Armageddon but may not know anything more than it is somehow a scary name and maybe they might know it comes from the Bible.
[smear:#8de619]16 And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. Revelation 16:16[/smear:#e66419:0]
One thing is it is in Israel and is sixty miles north of Jerusalem. it is a Hebrew place meaning Mount of Megiddo which can mean: a place of troops .
At the foot of that mountain, to the west, is the Plain of Megiddo.
Napoleon called this valley the greatest battlefield he had ever seen.
More than two hundred battles have been fought in that region.
Barak fought the Canaanites there in Judges 4. and in Judges 7 Gideon fought there etc. It is battlefield of all battlefields!
This is where the final battle of the tribulation will be fought and the battle will go all the way from Jerusalem in the south, to the Plain of Megiddo in the north (and beyond that) the final great holocaust of judgment will have a two hundred mile stretch
[smear:#139d96]20 And the winepress was trodden outside the city (Jerusalem) and blood flowed from the winepress, as high as a horse's bridle, for 1,600 stadia ( 200 miles)....it will encompass the length of Israel. Revelation 14:20[/smear:#64d985:0]
[smear:#b53fb4]14 "Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. 15 The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
16 The Lord roars from Zion, and utters his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth quake." Joel 3:14-16[/smear:#19e691:0]
The battle ends in a terrible bloodbath, like never seen before.... it is inconceivably horrifying, frightening, fierce , direful, dreadful, etc.
People today, especially do not want to talk about God's anger or wrath! If they are going to talk about God they only want to talk about His love and mercy and if they talk about His anger it is only with their anger, that He dare to be anger with their sins.... How dare he, see we said he was an angry, wrathful God! But they are furious...he has no right to say what they do is sin or to be angry
But they are wrong!
[smear:#22467b] "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. John 3:36[/smear:#e619cc:0]
[smear:#e61927]5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 On account of these the wrath of God is coming Colossians 3:5,6[/smear:#2f19e6:2]
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Post by fearnot on Apr 18, 2020 11:41:09 GMT -5
Now we come to the last angel with the 7th bowl.
[smear:#dab914]17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple, from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as there had never been since man was on the earth, so great was that earthquake. Revelation 16:17,18[/smear:#1920e6:2]
A loud voice can be no other than God. the it is done" complete God’s wrath It also reminds of us Jesus saying:
[smear:#e6192f]30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. John 19:30[/smear:#e6e319:2]
That also was an end of wrath of judgment for sinners so there was grace mixed in, but no grace it these words now spoken by God.
( that Jesus paid for).
It is done and will remain done forever. And those are welcoming words for sure!!
An earthquake reminds us of this Old Testament verse:
[smear:#3e5557]For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. Ezekiel 38:19[/smear:#e61967:0]
There have been many earthquakes of significance in scripture, but this one is the end all and surpasses them all! It is not a local earthquake, it is worldwide.
For those who wish to preserve this earth, I am sad to say, this planet (even the universe) is not designed to last and this earthquake is a beginning of the end ( it will have 1,000 years more until THE end of it). Tho during the 1,000 years when Jesus reigns, things may be greatly restored for awhile.
[smear:#54bb0c]6 For thus says the Lord of hosts: Yet once more, in a little while, I will shake the heavens and the earth and the sea and the dry land. Haggai 2:6[/smear:#e65419:0]
Another result of this earthquake:
[smear:#2e7a50]19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Babylon the great, to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath. Revelation 16:19[/smear:#340743:0]
I think this great city is Jerusalem.... and it’s distinguished from Babylon the great.
We already know this:
[smear:#2d8740]4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. Zechariah 14:4[/smear:#e619db:0]
Furthermore this also will happen at that time:
[smear:#043935]8 On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea. It shall continue in summer as in winter. Zechariah 14:8[/smear:#48b810:0]
So the effect of the earthquake is good, it's actually an improvement for Jerusalem, they will gain living waters. it is prepared to be the central place for being the central place in the millennial kingdom ( and thus is the only place spared judgment).
It already had that and repented.
[smear:#e62919]13 And at that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. Revelation 11:13[/smear:#34e619:0]
But the other major city that’s mentioned is Babylon the capital of the Antichrist’s empire...the greatest judgment is kept for it.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 19, 2020 10:17:05 GMT -5
The unbelievers who are still alive, who had escaped the collapse of the mountains and the drowning of the islands, as a result of the worst earthquake ever ( a world wide one), are going to be pelted by huge hailstones, about a hundred pounds each.
2[smear:#881e2b]0 And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found. 21 And great hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people; and they cursed God for the plague of the hail, because the plague was so severe." Revelation 16:20,21 [/smear:#528918:0]
This reminds of of the plague of hail in Egypt before the Exodus:
[smear:#3fe619]Then the Lord said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand toward heaven, so that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, on man and beast and every plant of the field, in the land of Egypt." Exodus 9:22[/smear:#e65619:0]
and also [smear:#86176e] ".....There were more who died because of the hailstones than the sons of Israel killed with the sword." Joshua 10:11[/smear:#24e619:0]
And This verse
[smear:#e619a5]22 ".....have you seen the storehouses of the hail, 23 which I have reserved for the time of trouble, for the day of battle and war? Job 38:22,23[/smear:#2c9519:0]
The gigantic size of the hailstones ( these are not 'ordinary 'hailstones)
indicates unparalleled atmospheric conditions ever ( even up to 135 lbs each hailstone weight)!!
They are a 'supernatural work of God',
They will cause unimaginable devastation and annihilation on the people they hit. There won't really be any buildings, or mountains etc. left to hide from these.... and yet some survive... ( perhaps they will be able to dodge these huge blocks of ice falling from the sky) we know some survive because they blasphemed God.... incredible!!
I guess, the idea that signs and wonders would surely convert people, is forever proven wrong!!
They are 'devoted'.... NOT to God, but it seems, rather they are zealously, faithful and committed ....to blasphemy.
I have heard many many people today
( and I myself, was such a person, when I was in college, waaaay back in the stone age)...
that I doubt could talk, nor not string one sentence together no.... not even say one word!!!
with out swearing and using God's name in vain!
They are being stoned for blasphemy and rebellion and they react , respond, and reply with blasphemy and rebellion!
God had told us from the beginning not to take His name in vain:
[smear:#7fa919]7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain. Exodus 20:7[/smear:#e67919:0]
We also see this in this verse:
[smear:#328048]14 “Bring out of the camp the one who cursed, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. Leviticus 24:14[/smear:#e6199a:0]
This is where the world is headed, this is the direction it is going.
As Christians, we already know what the future is...something unconverted people long to know and yet, we already have the answers.
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Post by Cindy on Apr 20, 2020 10:49:08 GMT -5
Many people have at least heard the name Armageddon but may not know anything more than it is somehow a scary name and maybe they might know it comes from the Bible.
[smear:#8de619]16 And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. Revelation 16:16[/smear:#e66419:0]
One thing is it is in Israel and is sixty miles north of Jerusalem. it is a Hebrew place meaning Mount of Megiddo which can mean: a place of troops .
At the foot of that mountain, to the west, is the Plain of Megiddo.
Napoleon called this valley the greatest battlefield he had ever seen.
More than two hundred battles have been fought in that region.
Barak fought the Canaanites there in Judges 4. and in Judges 7 Gideon fought there etc. It is battlefield of all battlefields!
This is where the final battle of the tribulation will be fought and the battle will go all the way from Jerusalem in the south, to the Plain of Megiddo in the north (and beyond that) the final great holocaust of judgment will have a two hundred mile stretch
[smear:#139d96]20 And the winepress was trodden outside the city (Jerusalem) and blood flowed from the winepress, as high as a horse's bridle, for 1,600 stadia ( 200 miles)....it will encompass the length of Israel. Revelation 14:20[/smear:#64d985:0]
[smear:#b53fb4]14 "Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. 15 The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
16 The Lord roars from Zion, and utters his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth quake." Joel 3:14-16[/smear:#19e691:0]
The battle ends in a terrible bloodbath, like never seen before.... it is inconceivably horrifying, frightening, fierce , direful, dreadful, etc.
People today, especially do not want to talk about God's anger or wrath! If they are going to talk about God they only want to talk about His love and mercy and if they talk about His anger it is only with their anger, that He dare to be anger with their sins.... How dare he, see we said he was an angry, wrathful God! But they are furious...he has no right to say what they do is sin or to be angry
But they are wrong!
[smear:#22467b] "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. John 3:36[/smear:#e619cc:0]
[smear:#e61927]5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 On account of these the wrath of God is coming Colossians 3:5,6[/smear:#2f19e6:2]
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Yep, that's well said!
Now we come to the last angel with the 7th bowl.
[smear:#dab914]17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple, from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as there had never been since man was on the earth, so great was that earthquake. Revelation 16:17,18[/smear:#1920e6:2]
A loud voice can be no other than God. the it is done" complete God’s wrath It also reminds of us Jesus saying:
[smear:#e6192f]30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. John 19:30[/smear:#e6e319:2]
That also was an end of wrath of judgment for sinners so there was grace mixed in, but no grace it these words now spoken by God.
( that Jesus paid for).
It is done and will remain done forever. And those are welcoming words for sure!!
An earthquake reminds us of this Old Testament verse:
[smear:#3e5557]For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. Ezekiel 38:19[/smear:#e61967:0]
There have been many earthquakes of significance in scripture, but this one is the end all and surpasses them all! It is not a local earthquake, it is worldwide.
For those who wish to preserve this earth, I am sad to say, this planet (even the universe) is not designed to last and this earthquake is a beginning of the end ( it will have 1,000 years more until THE end of it). Tho during the 1,000 years when Jesus reigns, things may be greatly restored for awhile.
[smear:#54bb0c]6 For thus says the Lord of hosts: Yet once more, in a little while, I will shake the heavens and the earth and the sea and the dry land. Haggai 2:6[/smear:#e65419:0]
Another result of this earthquake:
[smear:#2e7a50]19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Babylon the great, to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath. Revelation 16:19[/smear:#340743:0]
I think this great city is Jerusalem.... and it’s distinguished from Babylon the great.
We already know this:
[smear:#2d8740]4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. Zechariah 14:4[/smear:#e619db:0]
Furthermore this also will happen at that time:
[smear:#043935]8 On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea. It shall continue in summer as in winter. Zechariah 14:8[/smear:#48b810:0]
So the effect of the earthquake is good, it's actually an improvement for Jerusalem, they will gain living waters. it is prepared to be the central place for being the central place in the millennial kingdom ( and thus is the only place spared judgment).
It already had that and repented.
[smear:#e62919]13 And at that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. Revelation 11:13[/smear:#34e619:0]
But the other major city that’s mentioned is Babylon the capital of the Antichrist’s empire...the greatest judgment is kept for it.
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Good, but for one thing that has me confused... what do you mean when you said: "It already had that and repented." Who or what is "it" and what did it already have? and when and how did it repent?
The unbelievers who are still alive, who had escaped the collapse of the mountains and the drowning of the islands, as a result of the worst earthquake ever ( a world wide one), are going to be pelted by huge hailstones, about a hundred pounds each.
2[smear:#881e2b]0 And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found. 21 And great hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people; and they cursed God for the plague of the hail, because the plague was so severe." Revelation 16:20,21 [/smear:#528918:0]
This reminds of of the plague of hail in Egypt before the Exodus:
[smear:#3fe619]Then the Lord said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand toward heaven, so that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, on man and beast and every plant of the field, in the land of Egypt." Exodus 9:22[/smear:#e65619:0]
and also [smear:#86176e] ".....There were more who died because of the hailstones than the sons of Israel killed with the sword." Joshua 10:11[/smear:#24e619:0]
And This verse
[smear:#e619a5]22 ".....have you seen the storehouses of the hail, 23 which I have reserved for the time of trouble, for the day of battle and war? Job 38:22,23[/smear:#2c9519:0]
The gigantic size of the hailstones ( these are not 'ordinary 'hailstones)
indicates unparalleled atmospheric conditions ever ( even up to 135 lbs each hailstone weight)!!
They are a 'supernatural work of God',
They will cause unimaginable devastation and annihilation on the people they hit. There won't really be any buildings, or mountains etc. left to hide from these.... and yet some survive... ( perhaps they will be able to dodge these huge blocks of ice falling from the sky) we know some survive because they blasphemed God.... incredible!!
I guess, the idea that signs and wonders would surely convert people, is forever proven wrong!!
They are 'devoted'.... NOT to God, but it seems, rather they are zealously, faithful and committed ....to blasphemy.
I have heard many many people today
( and I myself, was such a person, when I was in college, waaaay back in the stone age)...
that I doubt could talk, nor not string one sentence together no.... not even say one word!!!
with out swearing and using God's name in vain!
They are being stoned for blasphemy and rebellion and they react , respond, and reply with blasphemy and rebellion!
God had told us from the beginning not to take His name in vain:
[smear:#7fa919]7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain. Exodus 20:7[/smear:#e67919:0]
We also see this in this verse:
[smear:#328048]14 “Bring out of the camp the one who cursed, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. Leviticus 24:14[/smear:#e6199a:0]
This is where the world is headed, this is the direction it is going.
As Christians, we already know what the future is...something unconverted people long to know and yet, we already have the answers.
Done for today
Good! You know what gets to me even more then unbelievers using foul language? It's the people who say they're Christians and still use foul language! To me that's unbelievable! It shows me that they can't possibly be really saved, or they wouldn't be using that kind of language. (I'm not talking about christians who are trying not to use that kind of language but it still slips through now and then. I'm speaking of those who don't have any problem with using foul language. They also often tell dirty jokes as well. I can guarantee them though that they're not going to feel so sure of themselves when they're standing before the King of Kings. I've even heard so called Christians brag about the fact that they use bad language! They said something along the lines of "Jesus loves me just the way I am". I couldn't believe I was hearing that. Talk about twisting what the Bible says. But then it certainly makes it understandable that there will be many people who call Jesus "Lord" and who go to church and do things in His Name but who the Lord will tell them that He's never known them and send them to Hell. How sad is that? Their excuse is that when the Bible says not to swear it's not talking about using bad language. That's true, but it doesn't change what this says: “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” (Ephesians 4:29) Or “Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.” (Ephesians 5:4) and finally: “But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.” (Colossians 3:8)
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Post by fearnot on Apr 20, 2020 11:04:50 GMT -5
Okay, thanks....will look forward to it. In the meantime, I will start on today's study.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 20, 2020 11:35:53 GMT -5
There is a truth that I have read and heard several times over the years, and that is that God made me with a God-shaped vacuum, that only God can fill.
Man ( men and women) are incurable worshipers who will bow at some shrine, altar, idol, religion etc.,
but if it is not the true God,
they will make their own gods of their own imagination/creation/design etc.
We see that in: music Rock stars or Rock idols, movie stars/idols Sport stars business moguls
false religions etc. etc.
[smear:#0a5753]1 "Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who is seated on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.” Revelation 17:1,2 [/smear:#9f0d7f:0]
So now, chapter 17 goes back, and covers when Babylon the Harlot , or when Religious Babylon is Destroyed.... spiritual idolatry
man was cursed ( in the garden of Eden), men and women are now by their very essence/nature, sinful,
their nature has been perverted but also perverted, is their innate longing to know God,...
They reach for the 'supernatural' ( mostly in false twisted religions) Today, (in our time,) the unsaved, reach out to all manner of false 'gods'
( they are even looking for aliens, or worshiping a computer 'god')
However, many people, today, are looking back to 'old' religions.
Nimrod, who was a rebel.... and he activated some of the greatest evils ever generated, inspired, and/or created on humanity.
( ideas like we are 'god' , we can reach 'god' by our own deeds, works, build a tower to reach God etc.
But his influence. false religious system are no longer restricted....to the Middle East,
During the tribulation, it will extend throughout the whole world.
The prostitute is not a 'literal' woman.... In the biblical book of Hosea, Hosea's wife ( was a prostitute), and she was symbolic and spoke of Israel.
Often to this very day, false religions involve a deity that welcomes, embraces and accommodates men and woman's sinfulness.
Unsaved men and women are corrupted by and in sin, and therefore so are their 'gods'
because of their ( unbeliever's) love of sin.
It is easy to see this in our day, by what rock stars sing about, and how they act, gay pride parades and how they act, witches and their witchcraft, etc etc.
In the end, the unconverted look for ANY 'god'.... except....
the TRUE GOD!!
They will accept any demon or abomination, claiming to be God!
Which reminds us of these verses:
[smear:#139407]21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator,............... " Romans 1:21-24[/smear:#e61982:0]
the verse about sexual immorality, and the kings committed adultery with the Harlot.....
the prostitute takes something which has a proper godly use, and to turns it into an improper ungodly use.
The false religion causes spiritual fornication in a 'similar' way.
This will be the one world religion which will be instituted after the church (Christians), have been raptured.
But yet, it seems to me, a large portion of the church falls into this category...... right now.
Those unsaved who fornicated with her (the one world religion in the tribulation) were deceived by her witchcraft, sorcery, false spirituality etc.\
But not, only 'kings' are mentioned, in revelation chapter 17:2 but an entire global population, was influenced and deceived by her.
The people in the tribulation will use Satan's 'counterfeit' solutions to human problems ( 0ne world government) (it reminds me of this Corina virus, and 'just 'human solutions,
and practically .... but not entirely,
banning God's solutions).
However, you also cannot really go anywhere in the world, without running into a false religion!
Done for today.
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Post by Cindy on Apr 21, 2020 9:28:55 GMT -5
Many people have at least heard the name Armageddon but may not know anything more than it is somehow a scary name and maybe they might know it comes from the Bible.
[smear:#8de619]16 And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. Revelation 16:16[/smear:#e66419:0]
One thing is it is in Israel and is sixty miles north of Jerusalem. it is a Hebrew place meaning Mount of Megiddo which can mean: a place of troops .
At the foot of that mountain, to the west, is the Plain of Megiddo.
Napoleon called this valley the greatest battlefield he had ever seen.
More than two hundred battles have been fought in that region.
Barak fought the Canaanites there in Judges 4. and in Judges 7 Gideon fought there etc. It is battlefield of all battlefields!
This is where the final battle of the tribulation will be fought and the battle will go all the way from Jerusalem in the south, to the Plain of Megiddo in the north (and beyond that) the final great holocaust of judgment will have a two hundred mile stretch
[smear:#139d96]20 And the winepress was trodden outside the city (Jerusalem) and blood flowed from the winepress, as high as a horse's bridle, for 1,600 stadia ( 200 miles)....it will encompass the length of Israel. Revelation 14:20[/smear:#64d985:0]
[smear:#b53fb4]14 "Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. 15 The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
16 The Lord roars from Zion, and utters his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth quake." Joel 3:14-16[/smear:#19e691:0]
The battle ends in a terrible bloodbath, like never seen before.... it is inconceivably horrifying, frightening, fierce , direful, dreadful, etc.
People today, especially do not want to talk about God's anger or wrath! If they are going to talk about God they only want to talk about His love and mercy and if they talk about His anger it is only with their anger, that He dare to be anger with their sins.... How dare he, see we said he was an angry, wrathful God! But they are furious...he has no right to say what they do is sin or to be angry
But they are wrong!
[smear:#22467b] "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. John 3:36[/smear:#e619cc:0]
[smear:#e61927]5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 On account of these the wrath of God is coming Colossians 3:5,6[/smear:#2f19e6:2]
done for today
Yep, that's well said!
Now we come to the last angel with the 7th bowl.
[smear:#dab914]17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple, from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as there had never been since man was on the earth, so great was that earthquake. Revelation 16:17,18[/smear:#1920e6:2]
A loud voice can be no other than God. the it is done" complete God’s wrath It also reminds of us Jesus saying:
[smear:#e6192f]30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. John 19:30[/smear:#e6e319:2]
That also was an end of wrath of judgment for sinners so there was grace mixed in, but no grace it these words now spoken by God.
( that Jesus paid for).
It is done and will remain done forever. And those are welcoming words for sure!!
An earthquake reminds us of this Old Testament verse:
[smear:#3e5557]For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. Ezekiel 38:19[/smear:#e61967:0]
There have been many earthquakes of significance in scripture, but this one is the end all and surpasses them all! It is not a local earthquake, it is worldwide.
For those who wish to preserve this earth, I am sad to say, this planet (even the universe) is not designed to last and this earthquake is a beginning of the end ( it will have 1,000 years more until THE end of it). Tho during the 1,000 years when Jesus reigns, things may be greatly restored for awhile.
[smear:#54bb0c]6 For thus says the Lord of hosts: Yet once more, in a little while, I will shake the heavens and the earth and the sea and the dry land. Haggai 2:6[/smear:#e65419:0]
Another result of this earthquake:
[smear:#2e7a50]19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Babylon the great, to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath. Revelation 16:19[/smear:#340743:0]
I think this great city is Jerusalem.... and it’s distinguished from Babylon the great.
We already know this:
[smear:#2d8740]4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. Zechariah 14:4[/smear:#e619db:0]
Furthermore this also will happen at that time:
[smear:#043935]8 On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea. It shall continue in summer as in winter. Zechariah 14:8[/smear:#48b810:0]
So the effect of the earthquake is good, it's actually an improvement for Jerusalem, they will gain living waters. it is prepared to be the central place for being the central place in the millennial kingdom ( and thus is the only place spared judgment).
It already had that and repented.
[smear:#e62919]13 And at that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. Revelation 11:13[/smear:#34e619:0]
But the other major city that’s mentioned is Babylon the capital of the Antichrist’s empire...the greatest judgment is kept for it.
Done for today
Good, but for one thing that has me confused... what do you mean when you said: "It already had that and repented." Who or what is "it" and what did it already have? and when and how did it repent?
The unbelievers who are still alive, who had escaped the collapse of the mountains and the drowning of the islands, as a result of the worst earthquake ever ( a world wide one), are going to be pelted by huge hailstones, about a hundred pounds each.
2[smear:#881e2b]0 And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found. 21 And great hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people; and they cursed God for the plague of the hail, because the plague was so severe." Revelation 16:20,21 [/smear:#528918:0]
This reminds of of the plague of hail in Egypt before the Exodus:
[smear:#3fe619]Then the Lord said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand toward heaven, so that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, on man and beast and every plant of the field, in the land of Egypt." Exodus 9:22[/smear:#e65619:0]
and also [smear:#86176e] ".....There were more who died because of the hailstones than the sons of Israel killed with the sword." Joshua 10:11[/smear:#24e619:0]
And This verse
[smear:#e619a5]22 ".....have you seen the storehouses of the hail, 23 which I have reserved for the time of trouble, for the day of battle and war? Job 38:22,23[/smear:#2c9519:0]
The gigantic size of the hailstones ( these are not 'ordinary 'hailstones)
indicates unparalleled atmospheric conditions ever ( even up to 135 lbs each hailstone weight)!!
They are a 'supernatural work of God',
They will cause unimaginable devastation and annihilation on the people they hit. There won't really be any buildings, or mountains etc. left to hide from these.... and yet some survive... ( perhaps they will be able to dodge these huge blocks of ice falling from the sky) we know some survive because they blasphemed God.... incredible!!
I guess, the idea that signs and wonders would surely convert people, is forever proven wrong!!
They are 'devoted'.... NOT to God, but it seems, rather they are zealously, faithful and committed ....to blasphemy.
I have heard many many people today
( and I myself, was such a person, when I was in college, waaaay back in the stone age)...
that I doubt could talk, nor not string one sentence together no.... not even say one word!!!
with out swearing and using God's name in vain!
They are being stoned for blasphemy and rebellion and they react , respond, and reply with blasphemy and rebellion!
God had told us from the beginning not to take His name in vain:
[smear:#7fa919]7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain. Exodus 20:7[/smear:#e67919:0]
We also see this in this verse:
[smear:#328048]14 “Bring out of the camp the one who cursed, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. Leviticus 24:14[/smear:#e6199a:0]
This is where the world is headed, this is the direction it is going.
As Christians, we already know what the future is...something unconverted people long to know and yet, we already have the answers.
Done for today
Good! You know what gets to me even more then unbelievers using foul language? It's the people who say they're Christians and still use foul language! To me that's unbelievable! It shows me that they can't possibly be really saved, or they wouldn't be using that kind of language. (I'm not talking about christians who are trying not to use that kind of language but it still slips through now and then. I'm speaking of those who don't have any problem with using foul language. They also often tell dirty jokes as well. I can guarantee them though that they're not going to feel so sure of themselves when they're standing before the King of Kings. I've even heard so called Christians brag about the fact that they use bad language! They said something along the lines of "Jesus loves me just the way I am". I couldn't believe I was hearing that. Talk about twisting what the Bible says. But then it certainly makes it understandable that there will be many people who call Jesus "Lord" and who go to church and do things in His Name but who the Lord will tell them that He's never known them and send them to Hell. How sad is that? Their excuse is that when the Bible says not to swear it's not talking about using bad language. That's true, but it doesn't change what this says: “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” (Ephesians 4:29) Or “Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.” (Ephesians 5:4) and finally: “But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.” (Colossians 3:8) There is a truth that I have read and heard several times over the years, and that is that God made me with a God-shaped vacuum, that only God can fill.
Man ( men and women) are incurable worshipers who will bow at some shrine, altar, idol, religion etc.,
but if it is not the true God,
they will make their own gods of their own imagination/creation/design etc.
We see that in: music Rock stars or Rock idols, movie stars/idols Sport stars business moguls
false religions etc. etc.
[smear:#0a5753]1 "Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who is seated on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.” Revelation 17:1,2 [/smear:#9f0d7f:0]
So now, chapter 17 goes back, and covers when Babylon the Harlot , or when Religious Babylon is Destroyed.... spiritual idolatry
man was cursed ( in the garden of Eden), men and women are now by their very essence/nature, sinful,
their nature has been perverted but also perverted, is their innate longing to know God,...
They reach for the 'supernatural' ( mostly in false twisted religions) Today, (in our time,) the unsaved, reach out to all manner of false 'gods'
( they are even looking for aliens, or worshiping a computer 'god')
However, many people, today, are looking back to 'old' religions.
Nimrod, who was a rebel.... and he activated some of the greatest evils ever generated, inspired, and/or created on humanity.
( ideas like we are 'god' , we can reach 'god' by our own deeds, works, build a tower to reach God etc.
But his influence. false religious system are no longer restricted....to the Middle East,
During the tribulation, it will extend throughout the whole world.
The prostitute is not a 'literal' woman.... In the biblical book of Hosea, Hosea's wife ( was a prostitute), and she was symbolic and spoke of Israel.
Often to this very day, false religions involve a deity that welcomes, embraces and accommodates men and woman's sinfulness.
Unsaved men and women are corrupted by and in sin, and therefore so are their 'gods'
because of their ( unbeliever's) love of sin.
It is easy to see this in our day, by what rock stars sing about, and how they act, gay pride parades and how they act, witches and their witchcraft, etc etc.
In the end, the unconverted look for ANY 'god'.... except....
the TRUE GOD!!
They will accept any demon or abomination, claiming to be God!
Which reminds us of these verses:
[smear:#139407]21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator,............... " Romans 1:21-24[/smear:#e61982:0]
the verse about sexual immorality, and the kings committed adultery with the Harlot.....
the prostitute takes something which has a proper godly use, and to turns it into an improper ungodly use.
The false religion causes spiritual fornication in a 'similar' way.
This will be the one world religion which will be instituted after the church (Christians), have been raptured.
But yet, it seems to me, a large portion of the church falls into this category...... right now.
Those unsaved who fornicated with her (the one world religion in the tribulation) were deceived by her witchcraft, sorcery, false spirituality etc.\
But not, only 'kings' are mentioned, in revelation chapter 17:2 but an entire global population, was influenced and deceived by her.
The people in the tribulation will use Satan's 'counterfeit' solutions to human problems ( 0ne world government) (it reminds me of this Corina virus, and 'just 'human solutions,
and practically .... but not entirely,
banning God's solutions).
However, you also cannot really go anywhere in the world, without running into a false religion!
Done for today.
Good! You said that it seems to you that a large portion of the church falls into this category of spiritual adultery, or of being a prostitute...... right now. I understand what you're saying and even agree, but the terminology you used needs to be corrected.
The Church is a pure virgin, and bride; and the prostitute is the false religious system, the harlot. Babylon is the false world system which is contrasted with the city of God, New Jerusalem. The Church today really is a pure virgin. There is no adultery in her. Jesus told us that the gates of hell would not prevail against her and they haven't.
However, there are a great number of unbelievers that pretend to be Christians and they try to make the Church look bad. But the true Church, the true body of Christ which consists of all who have really been saved, is pure. Oh sure each of us still sins at times, but our sins are covered by the blood of Christ, and His perfect life has been put on our account. Therefore we really are pure and without spot. The unsaved people who try to make us look bad, can't fool God. He knows who belongs to Him. (Matthew 13:30) Satan uses those unsaved people to try and lead us astray and to try and prevent others from being saved. The real Church, being the body of Christ, can never become a prostitute. If that could happen, it would make God a liar because He said: “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” (Matthew 16:18)
Right now the Church is going through what the Bible calls the great falling away. The term comes from the KJV translation of this verse: “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” (2 Thessalonians 2:3) Here's the NIV translation: Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. (2 Thessalonians 2:3) To clarify this, we have to understand that this does not mean that people who have been saved are falling away from their faith. It means that the unsaved are now being taken captive by Satan's false teachings, so that they do not really get saved. But because they "go to church" and because they tell others that they are saved, (even though they really aren't) it makes the Church look bad. Sometimes I feel like there's more false teaching out there then there are people preaching the Truth.
I'm afraid that I haven't been very clear. My brain doesn't want to cooperate today...sorry! But you did a great job!
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Post by fearnot on Apr 21, 2020 10:21:00 GMT -5
Oh No, I thought you made that perfectly clear! Thank you sooo much!
But I know what you mean about brain fog
Yesterday ( well for several days really)
I keep falling asleep while doing the bible study
and yesterday, each time I woke up and looked at what I had already written, it had been the victim of major major brain fog!!
I would have to correct so much ( and obviously did not get to everything)....
so thank you for clearing that up:
That it is not true believers that are 'prostitutes' but those false teachers, and those lead astray by them etc.
I got very very spotty sleep last night maybe 10-15 mins a few times
The cats were also wanting to constantly go out and in.... they do not do that nearly as much in the colder rainy winter!!
But I was also having ( which I had around Oct. and a 'bad' cold or flu?
But one of the crazy things that came with it....was kind of hallucinations a bizarre vision thing after the cold or flu ended this strange vision stopped happening, but now is back with what seems like a 2nd round ( super tired, sore throat, and so on).
So feel free to catch any strange thing(s) I have written,
I am trying to correct it.... but after awhile yesterday,
I was just so very tired and falling asleep over and over,
I just gave up!!
I fear today may not be much better....
having gotten so little sleep and still sick, and sleepy/tired
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Post by fearnot on Apr 21, 2020 13:09:27 GMT -5
Satan has created all of the false religions. they all have the basic core premise: that man can 'save' himself ( or herself) by different: 'works', rituals of self-achieving righteousness), ceremonies, etc.
In Genesis 11 we see the first great humanistic project, architecture ( a ziggurat) and also spiritual fornication. It appears to have also had the zodiac....which we still have with us to this day. Some people 'religiously' read their horoscope for the day.
This abomination led by Nimrod was the first form of demon worship who were impersonating the true God. The The beginning of Nimrod's kingdom was Babel ( it was later called, Babylon). He thus was the first type or foreshadowing of antichrist
[smear:#e64119]4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.” Genesis 11:4[/smear:#069936:0]
Actually, I would venture to say, that there are truly only 2 religions in the world:
# 1) Christianity
( and Christianity is not a religion, so much as, a 'relationship')
and
# 2) all the rest of the religious systems in the world
and so to me ( just my opinion) that "mystery' ( in Mystery Babylon) works in more way than one:
tho I am not sure if it ( Mystery Babylon) is a total 'new' religion
or
a true ecumenism of all the false religions ( including those who 'call themselves' Christian.... but are not....
IF
mystery Babylon it is ecumenism of all other religions, then... in one way,
the 'mystery' is finally revealed and is this:
that all other religions can find enough things to unite on... because they are actually based on such similar principles, they really can "unite....
(like some bumper stickers on cars, are promoting these days! the car stickers have the symbols of all the religions, and saying something like UNITE).
Even 'humanism' will be able to fit in!!
The name of this one world religious system is Mystery Babylon the Great, but it is also
any place that is characterized by false religion is a 'Babylon'
( with all it's worldly defiance, contempt, rebelliousness etc. to God and so on).
So verse 3 of Revelation 17 says:
"[smear:#266f3d]And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. Revelation 17:3[/smear:#7519e6:0]
The 'He', who carried John is the Holy Spirit, while the angel accompanied him.
The figure of a woman is used symbolically of religion...
Scarlet is the color of: royalty, splendor, wealth, excess, and luxury....
and is sometimes a symbol of something that is very evil. In this case red is likely used : because the 'beast' is scarlet, and the woman is closely related to the fiery 'red' dragon which empowers and the dragon is evil... so scarlet fits in all these cases.
So the one world religion is going to come during the tribulation .
And even now, in our day, the 'ecumenical movement' is working on sweeping away dogmas, and all the surface distinctions that divide ...
and move the world towards one of : great 'tolerance' specifically, a uniting of them: all other the religions ( except born again Christians), cults, worldly systems, witchcraft, etc etc. all into ONE,
and thus: a one world religion.
And there will be a great need for religion because of what will go in the Tribulation.
Even right now, with the Corina virus,
book companies that publish the Bible etc and seem a big big spike in their Bible sales!!
This seems to always transpire, when some major crisis happens, but then, when things calm down again, the interest slowly dies back.
We tend to think, we are living in a culture that is less and less religious, but that is not exactly true...
what it is is
less and less Christian
however, in many ways, it is more and more
pagan and into mysticism etc.
well done for today
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Post by Cindy on Apr 22, 2020 12:29:26 GMT -5
Oh No, I thought you made that perfectly clear! Thank you sooo much!
But I know what you mean about brain fog
Yesterday ( well for several days really)
I keep falling asleep while doing the bible study
and yesterday, each time I woke up and looked at what I had already written, it had been the victim of major major brain fog!!
I would have to correct so much ( and obviously did not get to everything)....
so thank you for clearing that up:
That it is not true believers that are 'prostitutes' but those false teachers, and those lead astray by them etc.
I got very very spotty sleep last night maybe 10-15 mins a few times
The cats were also wanting to constantly go out and in.... they do not do that nearly as much in the colder rainy winter!!
But I was also having ( which I had around Oct. and a 'bad' cold or flu?
But one of the crazy things that came with it....was kind of hallucinations a bizarre vision thing after the cold or flu ended this strange vision stopped happening, but now is back with what seems like a 2nd round ( super tired, sore throat, and so on).
So feel free to catch any strange thing(s) I have written,
I am trying to correct it.... but after awhile yesterday,
I was just so very tired and falling asleep over and over,
I just gave up!!
I fear today may not be much better....
having gotten so little sleep and still sick, and sleepy/tired I'm sorry you're not feeling well hon. Perhaps you should call your doctor and have a teleconference with him.... I haven't been sleeping well at night either, but have been falling asleep off and on all day long, no matter what I'm doing.
Satan has created all of the false religions. they all have the basic core premise: that man can 'save' himself ( or herself) by different: 'works', rituals of self-achieving righteousness), ceremonies, etc.
In Genesis 11 we see the first great humanistic project, architecture ( a ziggurat) and also spiritual fornication. It appears to have also had the zodiac....which we still have with us to this day. Some people 'religiously' read their horoscope for the day.
This abomination led by Nimrod was the first form of demon worship who were impersonating the true God. The The beginning of Nimrod's kingdom was Babel ( it was later called, Babylon). He thus was the first type or foreshadowing of antichrist
[smear:#e64119]4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.” Genesis 11:4[/smear:#069936:0]
Actually, I would venture to say, that there are truly only 2 religions in the world:
# 1) Christianity
( and Christianity is not a religion, so much as, a 'relationship')
and
# 2) all the rest of the religious systems in the world
and so to me ( just my opinion) that "mystery' ( in Mystery Babylon) works in more way than one:
tho I am not sure if it ( Mystery Babylon) is a total 'new' religion
or
a true ecumenism of all the false religions ( including those who 'call themselves' Christian.... but are not....
IF
mystery Babylon it is ecumenism of all other religions, then... in one way,
the 'mystery' is finally revealed and is this:
that all other religions can find enough things to unite on... because they are actually based on such similar principles, they really can "unite....
(like some bumper stickers on cars, are promoting these days! the car stickers have the symbols of all the religions, and saying something like UNITE).
Even 'humanism' will be able to fit in!!
The name of this one world religious system is Mystery Babylon the Great, but it is also
any place that is characterized by false religion is a 'Babylon'
( with all it's worldly defiance, contempt, rebelliousness etc. to God and so on).
So verse 3 of Revelation 17 says:
"[smear:#266f3d]And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. Revelation 17:3[/smear:#7519e6:0]
The 'He', who carried John is the Holy Spirit, while the angel accompanied him.
The figure of a woman is used symbolically of religion...
Scarlet is the color of: royalty, splendor, wealth, excess, and luxury....
and is sometimes a symbol of something that is very evil. In this case red is likely used : because the 'beast' is scarlet, and the woman is closely related to the fiery 'red' dragon which empowers and the dragon is evil... so scarlet fits in all these cases.
So the one world religion is going to come during the tribulation .
And even now, in our day, the 'ecumenical movement' is working on sweeping away dogmas, and all the surface distinctions that divide ...
and move the world towards one of : great 'tolerance' specifically, a uniting of them: all other the religions ( except born again Christians), cults, worldly systems, witchcraft, etc etc. all into ONE,
and thus: a one world religion.
And there will be a great need for religion because of what will go in the Tribulation.
Even right now, with the Corina virus,
book companies that publish the Bible etc and seem a big big spike in their Bible sales!!
This seems to always transpire, when some major crisis happens, but then, when things calm down again, the interest slowly dies back.
We tend to think, we are living in a culture that is less and less religious, but that is not exactly true...
what it is is
less and less Christian
however, in many ways, it is more and more
pagan and into mysticism etc.
well done for today
Good! You said: "The 'He', who carried John is the Holy Spirit, while the angel accompanied him." Now, I know that MacArthur says that the Holy Spirit carried him away; but look at how the NIV translates this verse: “Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.” (Revelation 17:3) To find out why it's translated this way, we just need to look at the first two verses, which are: “One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”” (Revelation 17:1–2)
There's another place where we're told something similar: “One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.” (Revelation 21:9–10) For verse 10's words, "in the Spirit" MacArthur sends us to Rev 1:10 where it says: in the Spirit: This was not a dream. John was supernaturally transported out of the material world awake—not sleeping—to an experience beyond the normal senses. The Holy Spirit empowered his senses to perceive revelation from God.
So MacArthur is saying that "in the Spirit" means that the person was awake, not sleeping, but possibly in a trance like state, and the Holy Spirit enabled John to see and hear things in the Spiritual world that we humans are normally unable to see and hear. Part of that shouldn't surprise us as it's exactly what Jesus said the Holy Spirit would do for all of us - that He would enable us to understand God's Word, and the things of God in general. Those are things that the unsaved can't understand no matter how hard they try as they are spiritually discerned. So let's post Rev 17:1-3 and see if we can figure out what it's actually saying (regardless of what anyone else says about it lol) “One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.” Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.” (Rev 17:1–3) So an angel walks up to John and basically says, "come with me and I'll show you what's going to happen to the prostitute. John agrees and the angel picks him up and takes him into the desert. However, all during this time, John was in the spirit and able to understand most of what he was shown. The angel helped him understand the things that were still beyond his understanding. To me that makes much more sense then saying the Holy Spirit carried John and the Angel just went along for the ride with them. To be fair though, there is one instance in the Bible where we are told that the Holy Spirit took someone from one place to another one. It was when Philip was talking to the Ethiopian. After the Ethiopian had been baptized, then the Bible says this: “When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.” (Acts 8:39) From that verse we can deduce that the Holy Spirit can take people from one place to another, but then He is God so I would think He can do anything He wants to! However, God seems to like working through others, perhaps because it helps us grow. Anyway, although it is possible that it was the Holy Spirit that carried John away while John was "in the spirit" and the angel just sort of tagged along, it just doesn't sound right to me. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think that it's the angel that carried John while he was in the spirit....
These verses say that the woman is sitting on the beast, which could show that she's supported by the beast(who is the AntiChrist) and his political power; and also that she at least outwardly controls and directs the beast - since she's riding on it.
The beast is "scarlet" which reminds us of sin and something the prophet Isaiah said: ““Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.” (Isaiah 1:18) Both the woman and the beast are shown to be clothed in scarlet, although the woman is clothed in both scarlet and purple. That's easy to know the reason for as purple is the color for royalty. This could mean that the woman actually is royalty or just that she's treated as royalty. So I see the red colors as representing sin, blood, and death; while the purple represents royalty. This could be Satan's answer to the fact that the Lord clothes us in robes of pure white, representing our purity, cleanliness, and sinlessness.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 22, 2020 12:38:39 GMT -5
Thank you as always Cindy!!!
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Post by fearnot on Apr 22, 2020 13:50:46 GMT -5
I think your super post can allow me to move a few verses beyond where I thought I would be going today, as you covered the next ones so well :)
So instead I will jump to verses six and seven:
[smear:#d13b66]6 "And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I marveled greatly. 7 But the angel said to me, “Why do you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her." Revelation 17:6,7 [/smear:#0a8a90:0]
A mystery is something unknowable by man unless and until revealed by God, So we are reading about the progression of the judgment of Christ, as He takes back the universe which is in the hands of Satan the usurper. Jesus is coming again, not to be rejected this time but as exalted as king of kings and Lord of Lords.
The mystery here relates to the woman's identity, and her relationship to the seven-headed beast with ten horns. , The final satanic world empire is Mystery, Babylon the Great....it is demonic and supernatural, with supremely blasphemous idolatry Which reminds us of this verse said by Jesus: , [smear:#19e628]24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:24[/smear:#e62b19:0]
and this verse in the Old Testament [smear:#e61989] And the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, you are about to lie down with your fathers. Then this people will rise and whore after the foreign gods among them in the land that they are entering, and they will forsake me and break my covenant that I have made with them. Deuteronomy 31:16[/smear:#359f49:0]
At one time our country was considered a Christian country as was most of Europe but now, many people are:
Buddhists Hindus, Muslims etc. etc. etc.
or into
astrology, witchcraft, spiritism, yoga, cults of all kinds
etc etc,
Well the beast 'carries' her for a time maybe she becomes too much of a competition for all attention and worship? For the anti-Christs wants this:
[smear:#7e0fa6]4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 2 Thessalonians 2:4[/smear:#e61997:0]
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Post by fearnot on Apr 23, 2020 12:44:54 GMT -5
I've been thinking about how the secular world would really like to unite the world as one.
For example, worshiping the creation...more than, the creator.... ( there are other thing, like a pandemic is a kind of 'uniting' factor and many other things) but climate change for example of course is a big push today
but, it has a problem!
although it ( for example.. climate change or more to the point, worshiping the creation) tho it has a big following on 'principle alone'
what it lacks is: a 'spiritual' component because human's are 'spiritual' at their core
and it needs a super natural charismatic leader also
( and the anti-Christ during the tribulation will provide all of these)
Because right now any potential 'uniting' issue has too many folks, who will push back against , just an 'idea' ( no matter how seemingly' good or actually bad it is..... on the surface) just standing alone, by itself ( without the 'spiritual or leader components)
In the end, tho it may seem hard to believe right now it is only religion that can unite the world! I am not promoting either of these 'religions' but just look at the influence of Catholicism or Islam, or Buddhism) have over millions upon millions of the world and tho almost none of the atheists/humanists would agree ( it is in fact, a 'religion!!) and thus the waters on which the harlot sits, are all the many nations, cultures, and people untied for war. but based on a type of 'religion' and leader.
Well, back to the scripture itself:
[smear:#658a04]8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come. Revelations 17:8[/smear:#3b19e6:0]
Remember the angel has said to John, why do you wonder? I will explain it for you, no need to be confused...and likewise no need for the believer of today to be confused.
For one, the harlot will pull the world into a one world religion. There have been anti-Christs before and they have been involved in false 'religions'. But now has come the ultimate and last, one with extreme power, and evil. And the religion is connected to the ancient Babylonian city ( remember Babel). It will also be the capital city of the Antichrist. The birthplace of all false religions, cults etc.
Just a couple of interesting notes about that area, it has some of the richest oil fields, also it is near the geographic center of all the earth’s land masses, located strategically at the crossroads of of the world's continents, it has a huge water supply.
The beast who was and is not...is a a reference to the Antichrist’s false resurrection (remember he counterfeits all things of God and not surprisingly of Jesus death and resurrection. After his “resurrection”, the Antichrist will become possessed by a great demon ( the most powerful of all the fallen angels, Satan) and his going to destruction is his final destitution in Hell. And this will catapult to the next level.
The anti-Christ, the beast the harlot rides on is a blasphemer against God, THE most incredible human leader ever Satan’s supreme human to destroy Israel But when the anti-Christ comes back from his fake death ( but being possessed by satan) he has a major change he is now intolerant of the religious system .
so at first, this incredibly gifted man militarily and economically and the false prophet get along and help each other The harlot rides the beast”; they coexist ( like the bumper stickers on cars promote).
But then... he becomes demon possessed by Satan who has always wanted to be God. And so ends the coexisting religious system.
but... he will have a new religion with himself as god.
But the deceived people of the world will marvel ( he will be soooo much more powerful etc.!) and his 'resurrection' will amaze and astound them
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Post by Cindy on Apr 23, 2020 12:50:18 GMT -5
I think your super post can allow me to move a few verses beyond where I thought I would be going today, as you covered the next ones so well :)
So instead I will jump to verses six and seven:
[smear:#d13b66]6 "And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I marveled greatly. 7 But the angel said to me, “Why do you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her." Revelation 17:6,7 [/smear:#0a8a90:0]
A mystery is something unknowable by man unless and until revealed by God, So we are reading about the progression of the judgment of Christ, as He takes back the universe which is in the hands of Satan the usurper. Jesus is coming again, not to be rejected this time but as exalted as king of kings and Lord of Lords.
The mystery here relates to the woman's identity, and her relationship to the seven-headed beast with ten horns. , The final satanic world empire is Mystery, Babylon the Great....it is demonic and supernatural, with supremely blasphemous idolatry Which reminds us of this verse said by Jesus: , [smear:#19e628]24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:24[/smear:#e62b19:0]
and this verse in the Old Testament [smear:#e61989] And the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, you are about to lie down with your fathers. Then this people will rise and whore after the foreign gods among them in the land that they are entering, and they will forsake me and break my covenant that I have made with them. Deuteronomy 31:16[/smear:#359f49:0]
At one time our country was considered a Christian country as was most of Europe but now, many people are:
Buddhists Hindus, Muslims etc. etc. etc.
or into
astrology, witchcraft, spiritism, yoga, cults of all kinds
etc etc,
Well the beast 'carries' her for a time maybe she becomes too much of a competition for all attention and worship? For the anti-Christs wants this:
[smear:#7e0fa6]4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 2 Thessalonians 2:4[/smear:#e61997:0]
done for today
Good! Yes, that's exactly why he gets rid of her! I'm so sorry Barbara; I didn't mean to explain any of the verses before you! Please forgive me. I guess I just wasn't thinking. But since you've jumped ahead, let me quote verses 4 and 5 and share a bit more about them, ok?
“The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” (Revelation 17:4–5)
We can see that she has plenty of money, fame, and power, as that's what all those things like the gold, precious stones, etc symbolize. (and probably shouldn't be called a "she", although in today's world, who knows!)
But The first thing I noticed was that she also had something on her forehead! (remember that the AntiChrist has made the people have a mark on either their forehead or their hand Rev 13:6 in order to buy or sell and God put His seal on the two witnesses foreheads in Rev 7:3...I think it was.) So having this written on her forehead is important. So let's see what it says...
first it says "Mystery". Barbara has already explained what a mystery is according to the Bible, but I want to look at if from another point of view. When we look at a vast majority of the false religions today (I'd say all of them but I haven't studied "all" so can't be sure) we see that one of the big things they use to get people interested is "mystery". They tell people that they will teach them about things that are a mystery, that no one else knows about, and that only those who go to a certain level of learning in their religion can learn. People love mysteries! They love being the only ones to know about something, because they think that makes them better then the rest of the people. They aren't interested in helping others. They just want to help themselves; help themselves to become more knowledgeable then others, and to have more power then others do, and to have more fame then others. They love secrets and mysteries because those are things that Satan loves. Think about it: Satan always tries to get us to keep our sins a secret. He tells us others won't understand, but we know they will understand, because they're sinners too. The real reason Satan wants us to keep them secret is because that gives him power over us!
Next is, "BABYLON THE GREAT". We know all about the original Babylon; and most of us have heard that Sadam was trying to rebuild Babylon and actually got quite a bit of work done on it. We know the AntiChrist will want Babylon rebuilt, if nothing else in people's hearts and minds, but most likely also physically as well. He will want that because Babylon is all about the opposite of everything God says and all that God loves. Therefore, it obviously will greatly appeal to people's sin nature. Since all true Christians will have been taken out of this world, the vast majority of people will just love Babylon and everything it offers to them. It's most likely going to be much worse then Sodom or Gomorrah ever dreamed of being. The original Babylon was all about worshiping self, instead of God and that's what this one will be as well.
Then there is "THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES". Prostitution is another name for idolatry, so a prostitute is simply an idolator. Babylon then is the mother of all false religions - and all religions other then true Christianity, are false. She is then mother of all idolatry.
Finally it says "AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." The first thing this makes us think of are these verses which are all speaking of the same thing: ““When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” (Mark 13:14) “He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”” (Daniel 9:27) ““From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.” (Daniel 12:11) MacArthur says it refers to the Antichrist’s ultimate desecration when he sets up an image of himself in the temple during the tribulation. He will be declaring himself to be god, and insisting people worship only him.
It's really amazing to me that I was able to go through most of my life without understanding that the very basic meaning of sin is setting yourself up as god and worshiping yourself instead of the True God. So sin is loving yourself, putting yourself before God and before other people, being self-righteous, relying on yourself instead of God, and on and on. Just about any word that starts with "self" is sin; like having "self-esteem" instead of God esteem. And all of it is idolatry! Let's look at some other things that God called an abomination: “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” (Leviticus 18:22) In Deuteronomy 7:25 we're told that the images of idols are an abomination to the Lord. Another one is that it's an abomination to worship God in any way other then the way He says we're to worship Him. (Deuteronomy 12:31) Other scriptures tell us that sexual sin is an abomination to God, as are cheating or lying, or harming someone. And all of those things are things that the AntiChrist and the False Prophet will be doing during the Tribulation.
Basically, "AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." is saying that all the things that are abominable to God, that are sinful, are the very things that this person will be encouraging and even demanding that people do regularly. All of these horrible abominations will have a new name too. Instead of being called evil, or abomination, they will all be called "good", and "right" and "normal". Yes, we're already seeing this to a small extent in how people are being told to think of homosexuality and transgenders, etc. But no matter what sinful man calls these things, God will always call them what they really are: abominable sins. Abominable because they harm us, but Satan doesn't want us to know that.
This gives us a lot to think about!
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Post by fearnot on Apr 23, 2020 14:41:07 GMT -5
Well, I am sooooo glad you did jump ahead, because then if you had not I ( and others) might have missed you get additions!!! As you probably already know my post for today is above your post
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Post by Cindy on Apr 24, 2020 10:07:14 GMT -5
I've been thinking about how the secular world would really like to unite the world as one.
For example, worshiping the creation...more than, the creator.... ( there are other thing, like a pandemic is a kind of 'uniting' factor and many other things) but climate change for example of course is a big push today
but, it has a problem!
although it ( for example.. climate change or more to the point, worshiping the creation) tho it has a big following on 'principle alone'
what it lacks is: a 'spiritual' component because human's are 'spiritual' at their core
and it needs a super natural charismatic leader also
( and the anti-Christ during the tribulation will provide all of these)
Because right now any potential 'uniting' issue has too many folks, who will push back against , just an 'idea' ( no matter how seemingly' good or actually bad it is..... on the surface) just standing alone, by itself ( without the 'spiritual or leader components)
In the end, tho it may seem hard to believe right now it is only religion that can unite the world! I am not promoting either of these 'religions' but just look at the influence of Catholicism or Islam, or Buddhism) have over millions upon millions of the world and tho almost none of the atheists/humanists would agree ( it is in fact, a 'religion!!) and thus the waters on which the harlot sits, are all the many nations, cultures, and people untied for war. but based on a type of 'religion' and leader.
Well, back to the scripture itself:
[smear:#658a04]8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come. Revelations 17:8[/smear:#3b19e6:0]
Remember the angel has said to John, why do you wonder? I will explain it for you, no need to be confused...and likewise no need for the believer of today to be confused.
For one, the harlot will pull the world into a one world religion. There have been anti-Christs before and they have been involved in false 'religions'. But now has come the ultimate and last, one with extreme power, and evil. And the religion is connected to the ancient Babylonian city ( remember Babel). It will also be the capital city of the Antichrist. The birthplace of all false religions, cults etc.
Just a couple of interesting notes about that area, it has some of the richest oil fields, also it is near the geographic center of all the earth’s land masses, located strategically at the crossroads of of the world's continents, it has a huge water supply.
The beast who was and is not...is a a reference to the Antichrist’s false resurrection (remember he counterfeits all things of God and not surprisingly of Jesus death and resurrection. After his “resurrection”, the Antichrist will become possessed by a great demon ( the most powerful of all the fallen angels, Satan) and his going to destruction is his final destitution in Hell. And this will catapult to the next level.
The anti-Christ, the beast the harlot rides on is a blasphemer against God, THE most incredible human leader ever Satan’s supreme human to destroy Israel But when the anti-Christ comes back from his fake death ( but being possessed by satan) he has a major change he is now intolerant of the religious system .
so at first, this incredibly gifted man militarily and economically and the false prophet get along and help each other The harlot rides the beast”; they coexist ( like the bumper stickers on cars promote).
But then... he becomes demon possessed by Satan who has always wanted to be God. And so ends the coexisting religious system.
but... he will have a new religion with himself as god.
But the deceived people of the world will marvel ( he will be soooo much more powerful etc.!) and his 'resurrection' will amaze and astound them
Done for today
Very well said! I can't think of anything to add to that.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 24, 2020 11:23:42 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy since we both are not feeling well... :(
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Post by fearnot on Apr 24, 2020 12:52:15 GMT -5
This next verse (s) calls for wisdom, and a need to closer inspect them.
[smear:#d419e6]9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; 10 they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while Revelation 17:9,10[/smear:#e63319:0]
Some times people quickly think of Rome, because it has and is famous for it topographic seven hills.
And tho there may be some ties to Rome, and the false religion , especially during the first half of the tribulation, but it would not exactly be a call for much wisdom, to make this connection. There has to be something deeper, and tho, or thus, I cannot be dogmatic as to the exact meaning.
I think I can safely say the false world religious system will be more than one city, but rather will be world wide.
So the harlot is the false religion but the heads are on the beast ( the anti-Christ, the political figure) that the harlot is seated on. The mountains as representing kings ( and their kingdoms), seems to be most likely.
The 5 fallen empires would be : Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Media-Persian and Greek empires had gone out of existence, Rome still in existence and anti-Christ's empire was The one that has not yet come, And as governments they were at at enmity with God and His purposes.
Then we have a riddle in the next verse:
[smear:#0e943d]11 As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eight but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction. Revelation 17:11[/smear:#e619cc:0]
The beast is the anti-Christ, and he will have the 7th empire ( world wide), but then he dies.... but when he is 'resurrected'. and then, has a 8th empire ( which is in a sense belonging to the 7th) Done for today
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Post by fearnot on Apr 25, 2020 11:06:57 GMT -5
Now we get some explanation
[smear:#e6195c]12 And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. Revelation 17:12 [/smear:#07959c:0]
So we are clearly told that the 10 horns are 10 kings, they are sub-rulers under the Antichrist, It will be ten separate countries that will make up this evil group of rulers/kings.
which reminds us in the book of Daniel, of the ten toes of Nebuchadnezzar’s image
[smear:#71a82e]41 And as you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom..." Daniel 2:41[/smear:#e65019:0]
and in the book of Daniel, an angel gave Daniel the same interpretation:
[smear:#c9d40b]“As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise,...." Daniel 7:24[/smear:#1919e6:1]
And these men will only have this authority for a short time, and only as yes men, to the anti-Christ.
[smear:#5119e6]13 These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast. Revelation 17:13[/smear:#e6197d:1]
And
[smear:#e65d19]14 They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.” Revelation17:14[/smear:#19e627:0]
Which we were told in the previous chapter:
[smear:#41b28b]14 For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. Revelation 16:14[/smear:#e619e0:0]
However, we know already, this is not going to go well for them! For and the Lamb ( Jesus) will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings
Which we also find in this verse:
[smear:#1989e6]17 For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, Deuteronomy 10:17[/smear:#940c65:0]
I will work on the last verses of chapter 17 tomorrow Done for today.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 26, 2020 12:54:56 GMT -5
Up to this point the anti-Christ and his yes men, have found the false religion ( the prostitute) useful, but now, that all changes:
[smear:#9d4693]16 And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, 17 for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.” Revelation 17: 16-18[/smear:#28e619:0]
Has the anti-Christ done away with 'worship'....no not at all! It's just the false religion no longer serves his purpose and more to the point, he wants to be worshiped.
This I think has always been Satan's desire. And 'religion(s) has great power also! In fact, more than politics, or business, fortune ( but the anti-Christ desires it great fortune as well), or fame.
So he strips the harlot of all her power, wealth, etc. She has not only become burdensome, she is stealing his glory and worship.... and also, in a way, Satan is using Jesus principle of not allowing his kingdom to divided
[smear:#562a84]“Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand". Matthew 12:25[/smear:#911e3c:0]
so her destruction is determined and violent.
Notwithstanding, the false prophet is no dummy, he still wants a 'job', something people can particularly understand, today, when so many cannot work due to this virus.
So he will 'hitch his wagon to the star...and point the unsaved to the beast.
You might wonder why does God allow Satan to do and get all that he has been working for all these millenniums (since he rebelled in Heaven and the Garden of Eden)? Because God intends to destroy it all, in one great act, and thus destroy all the wickedness on earth. So everything that occurs and that transpires occurs by His sovereign permission.
In a way, it seems to me, that all the false religions and cults etc. we see now, will have untied into, one and then Satan destroys them all and becomes 'god' Which it seems brings the whole rebellion of this most powerful angel who rebelled against God back ( in a way) to its beginning.... and it will have a victor and a complete and final end in the coming future
and tho the step and glimpses into this future, and horrifying, it also gives the believer a joy and peace ( sin will end and faith and love will win).
it may be some think these people are acting without God allowing them to do so, but that would not be true God has sovereign control of the affairs of history.
Which reminds us of this verse:
[smear:#e61975]The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will. Proverbs 21:1[/smear:#5e19e6:0]
and
[smear:#673370]9......."for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ Isaiah 46:9,10[/smear:#19e62f:0]
until God's Word's are fulfilled
brings to our mind this verse:
[smear:#329780]10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it". Isaiah 55:10,11 [/smear:#6812a7:0]
and this
[smear:#19e659]Forever, O Lord, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens. Psalms 119:89[/smear:#e67d19:0]
Done for today
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Post by fearnot on Apr 27, 2020 9:50:18 GMT -5
We looked in chapter 17 the destruction of 'religious' Babylon, now we will see the destruction of the economic, political Babylon,
and verse 1 shows us how it is announced:
[smear:#1dbb5b] "After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was made bright with his glory" Revelation 18:1[/smear:#e619bc:0]
His brightness is an indication of his authority and high rank , chosen by God to declare what is coming.
We see something similar, for example, in Luke with the shepherds, at the birth of Jesus:
[smear:#19e639]9 And an angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were filled with great fear. Luke 2:9[/smear:#e619bc:0]
This angel comes to an earth, in full moral and spiritual darkness, and his light must be all the more bright have come from a Holy Heaven.
We are going to look now at the destruction of Babylon:
[smear:#813f09]2 And he called out with a mighty voice,
“Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast. Revelation 18:2[/smear:#4de619:0]
[smear:#311b65]1 "The oracle concerning Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw......
13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place, at the wrath of the Lord of hosts in the day of his fierce anger." Isaiah 13:1,13[/smear:#8a1440:0]
[smear:#e619c7]And behold, here come riders, horsemen in pairs!” And he answered, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon; and all the carved images of her gods he has shattered to the ground.” Isaiah 21:9[/smear:#19e685:0]
This angel is a divine herald ( no one can ignore him)
and he makes know an event of great consequence that is about to happen.... Babylon's her catastrophic and permanent destruction.
Babylon had said:
[smear:#19e665]You said, “I shall be mistress forever,” Isaiah 47:7[/smear:#19d8e6:0]
And tho, Babylon is a city, the influence of Babylon is worldwide. It is the capital city ( and the character ) of the Antichrist’s world wide rule. It has immense, universal, demonic influence.. she is both a a dwelling place and a prison of every of demons and unclean spirit .
Done for today
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Post by Cindy on Apr 27, 2020 10:03:29 GMT -5
This next verse (s) calls for wisdom, and a need to closer inspect them.
[smear:#d419e6]9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; 10 they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while Revelation 17:9,10[/smear:#e63319:0]
Some times people quickly think of Rome, because it has and is famous for it topographic seven hills.
And tho there may be some ties to Rome, and the false religion , especially during the first half of the tribulation, but it would not exactly be a call for much wisdom, to make this connection. There has to be something deeper, and tho, or thus, I cannot be dogmatic as to the exact meaning.
I think I can safely say the false world religious system will be more than one city, but rather will be world wide.
So the harlot is the false religion but the heads are on the beast ( the anti-Christ, the political figure) that the harlot is seated on. The mountains as representing kings ( and their kingdoms), seems to be most likely.
The 5 fallen empires would be : Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Media-Persian and Greek empires had gone out of existence, Rome still in existence and anti-Christ's empire was The one that has not yet come, And as governments they were at at enmity with God and His purposes.
Then we have a riddle in the next verse:
[smear:#0e943d]11 As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eight but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction. Revelation 17:11[/smear:#e619cc:0]
The beast is the anti-Christ, and he will have the 7th empire ( world wide), but then he dies.... but when he is 'resurrected'. and then, has a 8th empire ( which is in a sense belonging to the 7th) Done for today
Now we get some explanation
[smear:#e6195c]12 And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. Revelation 17:12 [/smear:#07959c:0]
So we are clearly told that the 10 horns are 10 kings, they are sub-rulers under the Antichrist, It will be ten separate countries that will make up this evil group of rulers/kings.
which reminds us in the book of Daniel, of the ten toes of Nebuchadnezzar’s image
[smear:#71a82e]41 And as you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom..." Daniel 2:41[/smear:#e65019:0]
and in the book of Daniel, an angel gave Daniel the same interpretation:
[smear:#c9d40b]“As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise,...." Daniel 7:24[/smear:#1919e6:1]
And these men will only have this authority for a short time, and only as yes men, to the anti-Christ.
[smear:#5119e6]13 These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast. Revelation 17:13[/smear:#e6197d:1]
And
[smear:#e65d19]14 They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.” Revelation17:14[/smear:#19e627:0]
Which we were told in the previous chapter:
[smear:#41b28b]14 For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. Revelation 16:14[/smear:#e619e0:0]
However, we know already, this is not going to go well for them! For and the Lamb ( Jesus) will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings
Which we also find in this verse:
[smear:#1989e6]17 For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, Deuteronomy 10:17[/smear:#940c65:0]
I will work on the last verses of chapter 17 tomorrow Done for today.
Up to this point the anti-Christ and his yes men, have found the false religion ( the prostitute) useful, but now, that all changes:
[smear:#9d4693]16 And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, 17 for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.” Revelation 17: 16-18[/smear:#28e619:0]
Has the anti-Christ done away with 'worship'....no not at all! It's just the false religion no longer serves his purpose and more to the point, he wants to be worshiped.
This I think has always been Satan's desire. And 'religion(s) has great power also! In fact, more than politics, or business, fortune ( but the anti-Christ desires it great fortune as well), or fame.
So he strips the harlot of all her power, wealth, etc. She has not only become burdensome, she is stealing his glory and worship.... and also, in a way, Satan is using Jesus principle of not allowing his kingdom to divided
[smear:#562a84]“Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand". Matthew 12:25[/smear:#911e3c:0]
so her destruction is determined and violent.
Notwithstanding, the false prophet is no dummy, he still wants a 'job', something people can particularly understand, today, when so many cannot work due to this virus.
So he will 'hitch his wagon to the star...and point the unsaved to the beast.
You might wonder why does God allow Satan to do and get all that he has been working for all these millenniums (since he rebelled in Heaven and the Garden of Eden)? Because God intends to destroy it all, in one great act, and thus destroy all the wickedness on earth. So everything that occurs and that transpires occurs by His sovereign permission.
In a way, it seems to me, that all the false religions and cults etc. we see now, will have untied into, one and then Satan destroys them all and becomes 'god' Which it seems brings the whole rebellion of this most powerful angel who rebelled against God back ( in a way) to its beginning.... and it will have a victor and a complete and final end in the coming future
and tho the step and glimpses into this future, and horrifying, it also gives the believer a joy and peace ( sin will end and faith and love will win).
it may be some think these people are acting without God allowing them to do so, but that would not be true God has sovereign control of the affairs of history.
Which reminds us of this verse:
[smear:#e61975]The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will. Proverbs 21:1[/smear:#5e19e6:0]
and
[smear:#673370]9......."for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ Isaiah 46:9,10[/smear:#19e62f:0]
until God's Word's are fulfilled
brings to our mind this verse:
[smear:#329780]10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it". Isaiah 55:10,11 [/smear:#6812a7:0]
and this
[smear:#19e659]Forever, O Lord, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens. Psalms 119:89[/smear:#e67d19:0]
Done for today
posting now will edit to add reply
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Post by Cindy on Apr 27, 2020 10:23:54 GMT -5
This next verse (s) calls for wisdom, and a need to closer inspect them.
[smear:#d419e6]9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; 10 they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while Revelation 17:9,10[/smear:#e63319:0]
Some times people quickly think of Rome, because it has and is famous for it topographic seven hills.
And tho there may be some ties to Rome, and the false religion , especially during the first half of the tribulation, but it would not exactly be a call for much wisdom, to make this connection. There has to be something deeper, and tho, or thus, I cannot be dogmatic as to the exact meaning.
I think I can safely say the false world religious system will be more than one city, but rather will be world wide.
So the harlot is the false religion but the heads are on the beast ( the anti-Christ, the political figure) that the harlot is seated on. The mountains as representing kings ( and their kingdoms), seems to be most likely.
The 5 fallen empires would be : Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Media-Persian and Greek empires had gone out of existence, Rome still in existence and anti-Christ's empire was The one that has not yet come, And as governments they were at at enmity with God and His purposes.
Then we have a riddle in the next verse:
[smear:#0e943d]11 As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eight but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction. Revelation 17:11[/smear:#e619cc:0]
The beast is the anti-Christ, and he will have the 7th empire ( world wide), but then he dies.... but when he is 'resurrected'. and then, has a 8th empire ( which is in a sense belonging to the 7th) Done for today
Good job!
Now we get some explanation
[smear:#e6195c]12 And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. Revelation 17:12 [/smear:#07959c:0]
So we are clearly told that the 10 horns are 10 kings, they are sub-rulers under the Antichrist, It will be ten separate countries that will make up this evil group of rulers/kings.
which reminds us in the book of Daniel, of the ten toes of Nebuchadnezzar’s image
[smear:#71a82e]41 And as you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom..." Daniel 2:41[/smear:#e65019:0]
and in the book of Daniel, an angel gave Daniel the same interpretation:
[smear:#c9d40b]“As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise,...." Daniel 7:24[/smear:#1919e6:1]
And these men will only have this authority for a short time, and only as yes men, to the anti-Christ.
[smear:#5119e6]13 These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast. Revelation 17:13[/smear:#e6197d:1]
And
[smear:#e65d19]14 They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.” Revelation17:14[/smear:#19e627:0]
Which we were told in the previous chapter:
[smear:#41b28b]14 For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. Revelation 16:14[/smear:#e619e0:0]
However, we know already, this is not going to go well for them! For and the Lamb ( Jesus) will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings
Which we also find in this verse:
[smear:#1989e6]17 For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, Deuteronomy 10:17[/smear:#940c65:0]
I will work on the last verses of chapter 17 tomorrow Done for today.
Good job!
Up to this point the anti-Christ and his yes men, have found the false religion ( the prostitute) useful, but now, that all changes:
[smear:#9d4693]16 And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, 17 for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.” Revelation 17: 16-18[/smear:#28e619:0]
Has the anti-Christ done away with 'worship'....no not at all! It's just the false religion no longer serves his purpose and more to the point, he wants to be worshiped.
This I think has always been Satan's desire. And 'religion(s) has great power also! In fact, more than politics, or business, fortune ( but the anti-Christ desires it great fortune as well), or fame.
So he strips the harlot of all her power, wealth, etc. She has not only become burdensome, she is stealing his glory and worship.... and also, in a way, Satan is using Jesus principle of not allowing his kingdom to divided
[smear:#562a84]“Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand". Matthew 12:25[/smear:#911e3c:0]
so her destruction is determined and violent.
Notwithstanding, the false prophet is no dummy, he still wants a 'job', something people can particularly understand, today, when so many cannot work due to this virus.
So he will 'hitch his wagon to the star...and point the unsaved to the beast.
You might wonder why does God allow Satan to do and get all that he has been working for all these millenniums (since he rebelled in Heaven and the Garden of Eden)? Because God intends to destroy it all, in one great act, and thus destroy all the wickedness on earth. So everything that occurs and that transpires occurs by His sovereign permission.
In a way, it seems to me, that all the false religions and cults etc. we see now, will have untied into, one and then Satan destroys them all and becomes 'god' Which it seems brings the whole rebellion of this most powerful angel who rebelled against God back ( in a way) to its beginning.... and it will have a victor and a complete and final end in the coming future
and tho the step and glimpses into this future, and horrifying, it also gives the believer a joy and peace ( sin will end and faith and love will win).
it may be some think these people are acting without God allowing them to do so, but that would not be true God has sovereign control of the affairs of history.
Which reminds us of this verse:
[smear:#e61975]The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will. Proverbs 21:1[/smear:#5e19e6:0]
and
[smear:#673370]9......."for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ Isaiah 46:9,10[/smear:#19e62f:0]
until God's Word's are fulfilled
brings to our mind this verse:
[smear:#329780]10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it". Isaiah 55:10,11 [/smear:#6812a7:0]
and this
[smear:#19e659]Forever, O Lord, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens. Psalms 119:89[/smear:#e67d19:0]
Done for today
Good! I had written more but lost it and don't have time to write it all over again. Sorry.
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Post by fearnot on Apr 27, 2020 12:02:09 GMT -5
Thank you Cindy. Oh I always am disappointed when I lose my posts also. That is why I now, write a paragraph or two and post it ( so at least that much is not gone) then I edit and write a bit more and then keep doing that until I am done.
But even then, once or twice for a reason I don't know my computer has just gone black, turned off and everything is lost
The good thing is when I turn it back on...the computer still works LOL
So today's post is waaaaaaay above just so you know.
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